qf789 wrote:

Today's MH122 SYD-KUL diverts to ASP after one engine is shut down in flight

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-18/m ... gs/9341584

https://www.9news.com.au/national/2018/ ... ce-springs

At least they landed safety
Tho still will be on news media and damage the brand.

waoz1 wrote:

qf789 wrote:

Today's MH122 SYD-KUL diverts to ASP after one engine is shut down in flight

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-18/m ... gs/9341584

https://www.9news.com.au/national/2018/ ... ce-springs

At least they landed safety
Tho still will be on news media and damage the brand.

Yes well PerthNow is showing a picture of a 777 again

https://www.perthnow.com.au/travel/mala ... ign=buffer

Apparently the aircraft was flying over Derby when they turned around, interesting that they chose ASP to divert to over DRW

qf789 wrote:

waoz1 wrote:

qf789 wrote:

Today's MH122 SYD-KUL diverts to ASP after one engine is shut down in flight

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-18/m ... gs/9341584

https://www.9news.com.au/national/2018/ ... ce-springs

At least they landed safety
Tho still will be on news media and damage the brand.

Yes well PerthNow is showing a picture of a 777 again

https://www.perthnow.com.au/travel/mala ... ign=buffer

Apparently the aircraft was flying over Derby when they turned around, interesting that they chose ASP to divert to over DRW

Well wouldnt surprise me for perthnow
Why divert to ASP? And as you say not Darwin

I don't remember this be mentioned but Air Mauritius has added another weekly service to PER over the past couple of months, operating 4 weekly instead of 3 weekly, the extra flight operating on a Thursday (PER dep) with a A343. Unfortunately flights over the past 2 days have been cancelled due to a cyclone near MRU. If the flight had of operated today there would have been 3 A343's at PER at the same time

waoz1 wrote:

qf789 wrote:

Apparently the aircraft was flying over Derby when they turned around, interesting that they chose ASP to divert to over DRW

Why divert to ASP? And as you say not Darwin

Prevailing winds? Or just that ASP has a boneyard handy.

NTLDaz wrote:

As someone who lives in Newcastle and flies out of there for work regularly I'd love to see a return of international service.

The 2 councils who run NTL have spent quite a bit of money recently getting it customs compliant. Customs officers are already in Newcastle due to the port.

There is a catchment area ( including the Central Coast ) of over 1 million people.

Can passengers use public transport to get from Newcastle / the Central Coast to the airport, which I recall is half way to Port Stephens?

The southern part of the Central Coast is closer to Sydney surely, with just the Hawkesbury (and attitude!) separating them. And they have a train link directly to Central station.

Still, plenty of coal miners etc. in the Hunter Valley, and a rich rural hinterland. Horse studs, a famous wine region, and defence shipbuilding(?). A couple of points in common with Adelaide right there. Then there's the fantastic coast from Stockton beach, Port Stephens, Myall Lakes, Forster, and all the way north to the border. Barrington Tops. - Plenty to attract visitors, and plenty of outbound-travelling retired baby boomers.

waoz1 wrote:

qf789 wrote:

waoz1 wrote:

At least they landed safety
Tho still will be on news media and damage the brand.

Yes well PerthNow is showing a picture of a 777 again

https://www.perthnow.com.au/travel/mala ... ign=buffer

Apparently the aircraft was flying over Derby when they turned around, interesting that they chose ASP to divert to over DRW

Well wouldnt surprise me for perthnow
Why divert to ASP? And as you say not Darwin

I agree ASP is an odd diversion point in this case. Does it even have Customs given this was an international flight?

Looking at flightaware, when they turned around they were literally 20km south of Derby, so from there it was 1270 km back to Alice, or 970 km to DRW, 150 km to BME or 700 km to PHE. All much closer and apart from PHE maybe (due to the lack of hotel accommodation) equally or better suited, from the layman's perspective at least. Weird.

MooLor wrote:

NTLDaz wrote:

As someone who lives in Newcastle and flies out of there for work regularly I'd love to see a return of international service.

The 2 councils who run NTL have spent quite a bit of money recently getting it customs compliant. Customs officers are already in Newcastle due to the port.

There is a catchment area ( including the Central Coast ) of over 1 million people.

Can passengers use public transport to get from Newcastle / the Central Coast to the airport, which I recall is half way to Port Stephens?

The southern part of the Central Coast is closer to Sydney surely, with just the Hawkesbury (and attitude!) separating them. And they have a train link directly to Central station.

Still, plenty of coal miners etc. in the Hunter Valley, and a rich rural hinterland. Horse studs, a famous wine region, and defence shipbuilding(?). A couple of points in common with Adelaide right there. Then there's the fantastic coast from Stockton beach, Port Stephens, Myall Lakes, Forster, and all the way north to the border. Barrington Tops. - Plenty to attract visitors, and plenty of outbound-travelling retired baby boomers.

You can get to NTL by public transport but if coming from the Central Coast you'd be a bit crazy.

Yes Gosford to SYD is a bit closer but there's one thing you don't have to contend with driving to NTL and that's Sydney traffic.

I'd be very surprised if there isn't a sizeable number of people from the CC using NTL for domestic flights.

qf789 wrote:

I don't remember this be mentioned but Air Mauritius has added another weekly service to PER over the past couple of months, operating 4 weekly instead of 3 weekly, the extra flight operating on a Thursday (PER dep) with a A343. Unfortunately flights over the past 2 days have been cancelled due to a cyclone near MRU. If the flight had of operated today there would have been 3 A343's at PER at the same time

There are doing well by all accounts too. Starting to get deliveries of A350-900s wonder if we will see one if then soon

https://twitter.com/NTLairport/status/9 ... 9495547904

Not sure if this contains the clue or not....

qf002 wrote:

ZK-NBT wrote:

I was more meaning cabin crew rest areas as opposed to tech crew.

Cabin crew aren’t the problem, they get the same curtained off Y seats on both the -300s and -200s.

It's my understanding that QF pilots have, as part of their enterprise agreement (or equivalent), secured a commitment that they will have a separated (from the pax cabin) crew rest area on flights over a certain block time (I'm not sure if it's 11 or 12 hours). All of the A333s meet that commitment, but only 2 of the A332s (EBG and EBL), hence only those 12 aircraft can operate PEK. Conversely, HKG, PVG, SIN, etc. are presumably within a short enough block time to not require anything more than a curtained J seat. Out of interest, Delta pilots have a similar arrangement which explains their 3 B76W configurations.

NTLDaz wrote:

sq256 wrote:

I can't see it being NAN being a "Low Yield to Low Yield" point. Other alternative is NLK.

My guess would be NZ flying AKL-NTL as the first step towards ending the VA alliance (and preparing to take on VA, QF, JQ, EK, and the other fifth freedom operators on Trans-Tasman routes).

Low yield ? NTL has a stack of high value customers. There's a reason QantasLink flies multiple BNE flights a day as well as the multiple JQ flights.

I fly out of NTL 2-3 times a month to BNE. Despite being QF Platinum I rarely get allocated an exit row. I asked why and got told there are too many Platinum's flying so they get shared around.

Newcastle has quite a bit of money and is one of the economic engine rooms of NSW.

Even if it is low yielding JQ has a maintenance and crew base in NTL so they could be the operator.

Yield to BNE where there are multiple connecting opportunities, a large business / industry presence, etc., is one thing (particularly on Dash 8s - I'd be more convinced of NTL-BNE being 'high yield' if they were operating B717s). Yield to NAN, which is a flight between two closed markets (very few worthwhile connecting opportunities, mostly if not purely leisure) is a whole different kettle of fish.

For my , I think AKL on NZ is most likely. I don't think the right aircraft is in Australia right now for ADL, unless it's going to be Jetgo, and no other domestic destinations (a) are new and/or (b) make sense.

Qantas MEL-SFO to start from 1 September 4 weekly, QF95/96 MEL-LAX reduced to 2 weekly

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... -business/

qf2220 wrote:

https://twitter.com/NTLairport/status/954103649495547904

Not sure if this contains the clue or not....

Maybe I’m seeing things - the image looks to be in the shape of a Kiwi birds head...

qf2220 wrote:

https://twitter.com/NTLairport/status/954103649495547904

Not sure if this contains the clue or not....

Jetstar operates out of T3 in Perth. Could that be a clue? Using a plane that might be sitting on the ground overnight anyway... ANNA.AERO did an analysis on the Perth-Newcastle market last year actually.

A350OZ wrote:

waoz1 wrote:

qf789 wrote:

Yes well PerthNow is showing a picture of a 777 again

https://www.perthnow.com.au/travel/mala ... ign=buffer

Apparently the aircraft was flying over Derby when they turned around, interesting that they chose ASP to divert to over DRW

Well wouldnt surprise me for perthnow
Why divert to ASP? And as you say not Darwin

I agree ASP is an odd diversion point in this case. Does it even have Customs given this was an international flight?

Looking at flightaware, when they turned around they were literally 20km south of Derby, so from there it was 1270 km back to Alice, or 970 km to DRW, 150 km to BME or 700 km to PHE. All much closer and apart from PHE maybe (due to the lack of hotel accommodation) equally or better suited, from the layman's perspective at least. Weird.

Or if it was a real emergency they could of landed at Derby-Curtin which has a 10,000 foot runway

ADL77W wrote:

qf2220 wrote:

https://twitter.com/NTLairport/status/954103649495547904

Not sure if this contains the clue or not....

Jetstar operates out of T3 in Perth. Could that be a clue? Using a plane that might be sitting on the ground overnight anyway... ANNA.AERO did an analysis on the Perth-Newcastle market last year actually.

I was thinking a NTL-PER service with JQ could be possible

qf2220 wrote:

https://twitter.com/NTLairport/status/954103649495547904

Not sure if this contains the clue or not....

Wild speculation: Looking at the alphabet, "T minus 3" could mean Q (three letters before T). So maybe hinting to Queensland? Or maybe Qatar

Yeah but maybe more PER T3 on JQ.

ADL77W wrote:

Jetstar operates out of T3 in Perth. Could that be a clue?

A350OZ wrote:

Yeah but maybe more PER T3 on JQ.

qf789 wrote:

I was thinking a NTL-PER service with JQ could be possible

The NTL Airport CEO Dr Peter Cock was previously COO at PER Airport, however he could be just having a bit of fun with the clues. Even the direction of the dotted line to the east could be erroneous.

Two years ago he said NTL Airport was negotiating for an international route.

PA515

A350OZ wrote:

qf2220 wrote:

https://twitter.com/NTLairport/status/954103649495547904

Not sure if this contains the clue or not....

Wild speculation: Looking at the alphabet, "T minus 3" could mean Q (three letters before T). So maybe hinting to Queensland? Or maybe Qatar

Yeah but maybe more PER T3 on JQ.

T-3 on a QWERTY keyboard is W......

Definitely seems like an lot of social media for NTL getting an flight to New Zealand.

T-3 could be NTL (AEDT) minus three hours which is PER (AWST) and DPS (WITA) in a narrowbody.

PA515

Inaugural UA IAH-SYD is on its way, operated by 789 N35953

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n35953

Rumour until confirmed but you can lock this one in and take it to the bank, FlyPelican will begin direct NTL-ADL flights in March. Expect public announcement sometime next week.

Air Mauritius to operate a couple of recovery flights to PER due to cyclone in Mauritius

Today
MK3440 MRU 1120-2215 PER (this flight replaces Wed service)

Tomorrow
MK4441 PER 25-430 MRU
MK4440 MRU 45-1140 PER (replaces Thursday service)
MK5441 PER 1500-1905 MRU

For more refer to

https://twitter.com/airmauritius/status ... 9028132865

Today's QF577 SYD-PER abandoned take off due to a steering issue, the flight has been delayed by 5 hours, aircraft involved is A332 VH-EBK

https://thewest.com.au/business/aviatio ... ign=buffer

Next clue from NTL airport

NTL is your point A, beaches and sunshine are at your point B



https://twitter.com/NTLairport/status/9 ... 0292873216

I guess this rules anywhere in New Zealand out

qf789 wrote:

Next clue from NTL airport

NTL is your point A, beaches and sunshine are at your point B



https://twitter.com/NTLairport/status/9 ... 0292873216

I guess this rules anywhere in New Zealand out

Lol what are you saying?

Sounds like NAN to me then, FJ are maxed out to on seats I think to SYD/MEL/BNE. Maybe NTL as an alternative to SYD?

Could be MCY with the Sunshine reference..

I'm backing NAN. After spending the money to get the airport international compliant they've been pushing hard. Don't discount JQ.

No, it's Adelaide according to a very very well-placed source.

CraigAnderson wrote:

No, it's Adelaide according to a very very well-placed source.

If Fly Pelican takes their 19 seater to ADL send me your address and I'll send you a case.

NTLDaz wrote:

If Fly Pelican takes their 19 seater to ADL send me your address and I'll send you a case.

The aircraft will be an Alliance Fokker.

^^ presuming you are right I suspect the hunt is on for the informant. Publicity at NTL will be more than displeased.

CraigAnderson wrote:

NTLDaz wrote:

If Fly Pelican takes their 19 seater to ADL send me your address and I'll send you a case.

The aircraft will be an Alliance Fokker.

Then they will be the dodgiest clues of all time. Nobody thinks of beaches when you think of Adelaide ( unless you're from Coober Pedy ).

qf789 wrote:

Next clue from NTL airport

NTL is your point A, beaches and sunshine are at your point B



https://twitter.com/NTLairport/status/9 ... 0292873216

I guess this rules anywhere in New Zealand out

I would hardly call Adelaide sunshine and beaches, definitely no better than what Newcastle and surrounds have already.

Last night's SA281 PER-JNB was cancelled most likely due to a technical issue. As a result todays SA280 arrival into PER operated by A346 ZS-SNG did a quick around to operate last night's rescheduled flight as SA9281 to JNB. Tonight's SA281 PER-JNB will be operated by the aircraft that went tech A343 ZS-SXD

Blue Swan Daily (which is run by CAPA) reports that PAL is planning to use the A321neo on its Melbourne and Sydney services
https://blueswandaily.com/a321neo-opens ... australia/

SYD records a record 43.3. million passengers through its 3 terminals in 2017, up 3.6% in 2016

Domestic saw a 1.6% increase while international rose 7.2% compared to 2016

http://www.smh.com.au/business/aviation ... y28zsr6qiq

A330freak wrote:

Blue Swan Daily (which is run by CAPA) reports that PAL is planning to use the A321neo on its Melbourne and Sydney services
https://blueswandaily.com/a321neo-opens ... australia/

Interesting as this one would be pushing it hard for the A321neo (not neoLR). It also shows just how many pax they can sustain.

Cheers
Michael

Today's Newcastle clue is a NEW vibrant bar scene. So sunshine, beaches and a new vibrant bar scene. Leaning towards Perth.

Their FB post says no-one has guessed it yet so that would defo knock out ADL, DPS and NAN.

Not sure of the significance of NEW being capitalised.

NTLDaz wrote:

Today's Newcastle clue is a NEW vibrant bar scene. So sunshine, beaches and a new vibrant bar scene. Leaning towards Perth.

Their FB post says no-one has guessed it yet so that would defo knock out ADL, DPS and NAN.

Not sure of the significance of NEW being capitalised.

SWZ is not open yet, so that rules out Penriff's vibrant bar scene.

A 'new' route never before flown from NTL or an actual 'new' bar scene? I don't know of any newly-developed destinations.

Somewhere with 'Bar' in the name?

Haha, for something I care little about this has me hooked. Well played NTL PR / publicity.

^ This just popped up in my Qantas marketing email this morning:

Step aside, Seminyak. Once-sleepy Canggu is the new benchmark for edgy bars, progressive eats and slick spas,...

http://travelinsider.qantas.com.au/asia/indonesia/bali/a-guide-to-canggu-bali?alt_cam=au:qd:in:edm:travel-insider:natural-wonders:200118:n:gl:gl&cid=DM4696&bid=573203577

But DPS has been ruled out you say?

MooLor wrote:

^ This just popped up in my Qantas marketing email this morning:

Step aside, Seminyak. Once-sleepy Canggu is the new benchmark for edgy bars, progressive eats and slick spas,...

http://travelinsider.qantas.com.au/asia/indonesia/bali/a-guide-to-canggu-bali?alt_cam=au:qd:in:edm:travel-insider:natural-wonders:200118:n:gl:gl&cid=DM4696&bid=573203577

But DPS has been ruled out you say?

Just my hypothesis based on their FB post saying nobody had guessed the destination and quite a few people had commented Bali.

MooLor wrote:

NTLDaz wrote:

Today's Newcastle clue is a NEW vibrant bar scene. So sunshine, beaches and a new vibrant bar scene. Leaning towards Perth.

Their FB post says no-one has guessed it yet so that would defo knock out ADL, DPS and NAN.

Not sure of the significance of NEW being capitalised.

SWZ is not open yet, so that rules out Penriff's vibrant bar scene.

A 'new' route never before flown from NTL or an actual 'new' bar scene? I don't know of any newly-developed destinations.

Somewhere with 'Bar' in the name?

Haha, for something I care little about this has me hooked. Well played NTL PR / publicity.

Indeed well played NTL - little disappointed it’s not AKL, but equally pleased it’s not simply a return of NLK, PER would be good.

Intrigued to here about ADL though...

NTLDaz wrote:

MooLor wrote:

^ This just popped up in my Qantas marketing email this morning:

Step aside, Seminyak. Once-sleepy Canggu is the new benchmark for edgy bars, progressive eats and slick spas,...

http://travelinsider.qantas.com.au/asia/indonesia/bali/a-guide-to-canggu-bali?alt_cam=au:qd:in:edm:travel-insider:natural-wonders:200118:n:gl:gl&cid=DM4696&bid=573203577

But DPS has been ruled out you say?

Just my hypothesis based on their FB post saying nobody had guessed the destination and quite a few people had commented Bali.

Id doubt QF would start such a new route from NTL, SYD would be by far the less risky origin port to start from

qf2220 wrote:

NTLDaz wrote:

MooLor wrote:

^ This just popped up in my Qantas marketing email this morning:

http://travelinsider.qantas.com.au/asia/indonesia/bali/a-guide-to-canggu-bali?alt_cam=au:qd:in:edm:travel-insider:natural-wonders:200118:n:gl:gl&cid=DM4696&bid=573203577

But DPS has been ruled out you say?

Just my hypothesis based on their FB post saying nobody had guessed the destination and quite a few people had commented Bali.

Id doubt QF would start such a new route from NTL, SYD would be by far the less risky origin port to start from

It's in Bali so Qantas already fly their from Sydney. I do seriously doubt that there would be a QF international flight from NTL. Would be most likely to be JQ if they could make the range on an A320.

Could Alliance been an key to growing new routes ex-NTL if they were to find the right airline partnership?

They publish the F70LR with an range of 3150km, and the F100 as 2800km, they we're to get say an 90minute ETOPS ratting on the F70's it could open up some International routes from NTL. In the past an F100 has been used on AKL-NLK, so get some overwater rating is possible.

NTL/AKL 2,144 km
NTL/WLG 243 km
NTL/CHC 2,159 km
NTL/NAN 3,057 km

While NAN is probably little out of range of an F70, both AKL/WLG probably could be done with NLK as an diversion point.

There has been some scuttlebutt about Fly Pelican using Alliance to go to ADL. That would be a brave move for such a small carrier.

The last Newcastle based airline to try something like that was Impulse who ultimately ended up as Jetstar.

NTLDaz wrote:

The last Newcastle based airline to try something like that was Impulse who ultimately ended up as Jetstar.

Ah, hence the JQ NTL base. I often wondered about JQ being there.

Pretty sure I flew an Impulse 717 one time, and that has ended up at QF / QF link I presume.

MooLor wrote:

NTLDaz wrote:

The last Newcastle based airline to try something like that was Impulse who ultimately ended up as Jetstar.

Ah, hence the JQ NTL base. I often wondered about JQ being there.

Pretty sure I flew an Impulse 717 one time, and that has ended up at QF / QF link I presume.

Correct. Impulse became a QantasLink affiliate after the takeover, and was then rebranded as Jetstar. Jetstar is basically the old Impulse, and when they commenced operations they used the old Impulse 717s. They transitioned to A320s shortly thereafter, and the 717s returned to QantasLink but operated by National Jet to replace the BAe146s that National Jet were then operating for QantasLink. National Jet got taken over by Cobham Aviation and rebranded, but for some reason Qantas still refers to them as National Jet and not Cobham even though that is incorrect.

Jetstar have a crew base and maintenance in NTL because of the legacy Impulse operation there. The Impulse hangar in CBR is now QantasLink, and that is where 717 maintenance is carried out.