Video of DL 744 low-pass over MSP

surfpunk · Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:42 pm

This is not my video, but this was posted to an MSP spotters FB group this afternoon.

This is one of the coolest aviation-related things I've ever seen. And it definitely was not at 2000 ft, like the initial report indicated.

Video copyright by Light Chop Productions (not my video)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsLa43cWvAU

cokepopper · Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:05 pm

Very nice thanks for posting. Personally I don’t think it can compare to the final L1011 ATL flyover (gear up)

jchaase · Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:12 pm

Great video!

11725Flyer · Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:27 pm

Awesome video!

Flighty · Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:27 pm

NW, and DL, operated the 747 (safely right?) for 45+ continuous years. MSP is where the fleets were purchased, where training occurred, many flights originated, and where many/most of those crews and ex corporate employees still must live today.

The 747 visit, and proud climb out of the aircraft, are a positive symbol of this rich history.

Acey559 · Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:33 pm

surfpunk wrote:
This is not my video, but this was posted to an MSP spotters FB group this afternoon.

This is one of the coolest aviation-related things I've ever seen. And it definitely was not at 2000 ft, like the initial report indicated.

Video copyright by Light Chop Productions (not my video)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsLa43cWvAU

Must have added an extra ‘0’ because you’re right, that certainly looked closer to 200 feet.

dinker225 · Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:43 pm

It did a pass over the city 2,000 ft AGL. Started by overflying the airport northbound at 4,000 MSL then descended while overflying the city and then joining the downwind for the first approach captured in the video above.

Oilman · Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:51 pm

Wasn’t there supposed to be a wing wave? I didn’t see one.

jaybird · Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:58 pm

very nice - thanks for sharing! :-)

surfpunk · Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:00 pm

Oilman wrote:
Wasn’t there supposed to be a wing wave? I didn’t see one.

I had heard there was supposed to be one, as well. Not sure if it happened farther out over Minneapolis, or if it never happened.

WPvsMW · Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:00 pm

The pass at MSP was a go-around... gear down on approach, then gear up. The 2K AGL pass was over the city.

PC12Fan · Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:45 am

WPvsMW wrote:
The pass at MSP was a go-around... gear down on approach, then gear up. The 2K AGL pass was over the city.

All due respect, you're kidding yourself if you think this is the case.

Well known that this is a final tour - this was Delta's version .

I agree that they should have done the same thing with the 747 that they did with the L10. I don't know the details, but it was probably done this way because there were pax on board?

leleko747 · Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:52 am

Nice video but gear down, really?
I like South American and African low passes. Gear up, very fast and very low. Americans and (some) Europeans seem to be scared and always do slooow, boooring passes.

Anyway, at least it's good to see the Queen being enjoyed before being retired. That's a beauty for sure.

travaz · Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:01 am

There is always a critic. I for one who flew LAX Asia 22 times on NW 747's enjoyed the video immensely.

SUNCTRY738 · Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:32 am

The plane passed over us, we were on the end of the landing runway 12R in the dog park spotting location, at 2000 feet during its initial approach and flyover of the airport from west/sw to east/ne before it did a downwind leg over St. Paul and Mpls and began the missed approach maneuver to 12R. It was all fantastic.

buzzard302 · Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:12 am

That's awesome, thanks for sharing that.

CATIIIevery5yrs · Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:37 am

There’s a pretty decent United 747 low pass in Frankfurt buried someplace deep in the Internet. Complete with wing wag.

concordeforever · Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:26 am

leleko747 wrote:
Nice video but gear down, really?
I like South American and African low passes. Gear up, very fast and very low. Americans and (some) Europeans seem to be scared and always do slooow, boooring passes.

Anyway, at least it's good to see the Queen being enjoyed before being retired. That's a beauty for sure.

Have you not seen the Air Berlin A330 overshoot at Dusseldorf? That wasn't slow and boring.... The link is here on A.Net somewhere.

RalXWB · Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:32 am

Nothing beats the A310 farewell of TAP :stirthepot:

QF744ER · Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:53 pm

Why is the number 2 engine, noticeably smokier than the others?

Have noticed this before on UA B744's, but don't recall seeing it on non US registered B744's with PW4000's.

jumbojet · Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:42 pm

Goosebumps! That was really awesome. At least those who spent 700,000 miles to get on her got some extra thrills flown, I mean thrown in!! LOL. Very nice job.

georgiaame · Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:13 pm

WOW! It's the end of an era. Amazing aircraft, even more amazing to think that I've been flying in 747s since 1970. I've stopped wearing the sack cloth and ashes regarding the 748i, did get to fly in a Korean aircraft last year. But I guess it's time. The queen is dead. Long live the king. Thanks for the posting.

trnswrld · Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:16 pm

Very nice and graceful. I only have the pleasure of flying on one once several years ago from HNL to ATL. N676NW I think it was.

m0ssy · Thu Dec 21, 2017 4:48 pm

Wonderful share. The 747 has been such an amazing bird, sad to see her go. Cheers to cargo ops that will continue to keep her around.

delta747tlv · Thu Dec 21, 2017 4:53 pm

cokepopper wrote:
Very nice thanks for posting. Personally I don’t think it can compare to the final L1011 ATL flyover (gear up)

We were supposed to do the same in ATL after take-off that morning, loop around and do a fly-by before heading to MSP. The weather did not cooperate.

Mortyman · Thu Dec 21, 2017 5:03 pm

Sad to see them go :-(

cokepopper · Thu Dec 21, 2017 5:13 pm

delta747tlv wrote:
cokepopper wrote:
Very nice thanks for posting. Personally I don’t think it can compare to the final L1011 ATL flyover (gear up)

We were supposed to do the same in ATL after take-off that morning, loop around and do a fly-by before heading to MSP. The weather did not cooperate.

Thanks for the insight,
I have a feeling Delta will put together
A very nice tribute video. I’m looking forward to it.

kjeld0d · Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:20 pm

leleko747 wrote:
Nice video but gear down, really?
I like South American and African low passes. Gear up, very fast and very low. Americans and (some) Europeans seem to be scared and always do slooow, boooring passes.

Anyway, at least it's good to see the Queen being enjoyed before being retired. That's a beauty for sure.

Not to be blunt but Americans and Europeans tend to have a safety orientation, it comes from placing a value on human life

tjwgrr · Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:23 pm

cokepopper wrote:
Very nice thanks for posting. Personally I don’t think it can compare to the final L1011 ATL flyover (gear up)

Link to the video please.

MSPbrandon · Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:31 pm

tjwgrr wrote:
cokepopper wrote:
Very nice thanks for posting. Personally I don’t think it can compare to the final L1011 ATL flyover (gear up)

Link to the video please.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqu-YEcl0e8

WPvsMW · Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:17 pm

PC12Fan wrote:
WPvsMW wrote:
The pass at MSP was a go-around... gear down on approach, then gear up. The 2K AGL pass was over the city.

I don't know the details, but it was probably done this way because there were pax on board?

Invitees were probably in the pax cabin, as they were in the TriStar final pass over ATL, but my logic for calling it a missed approach/GA is that only tower permission would be needed for a MA/GA (but gear must be down passing over the threshold), rather than ATC special permission for a low, gear-up pass over the Twin Cities (or a low, gear-up pass over an active runway).

ATCsundevil or other ATC, correct me if I'm wrong.

azjubilee · Fri Dec 22, 2017 3:52 am

WPvsMW wrote:
PC12Fan wrote:
WPvsMW wrote:
The pass at MSP was a go-around... gear down on approach, then gear up. The 2K AGL pass was over the city.

I don't know the details, but it was probably done this way because there were pax on board?

Invitees were probably in the pax cabin, as they were in the TriStar final pass over ATL, but my logic for calling it a missed approach/GA is that only tower permission would be needed for a MA/GA (but gear must be down passing over the threshold), rather than ATC special permission for a low, gear-up pass over the Twin Cities (or a low, gear-up pass over an active runway).

ATCsundevil or other ATC, correct me if I'm wrong.

No pilot asks permission to do a missed approach or go around. They do it if they need to, or do it if they're ordered by ATC. And when they do such a procedure, it's generally a go-around thrust maneuver, to get the heck out of there. It's not a leisurely pass over the runway.

AR385 · Fri Dec 22, 2017 4:20 am

leleko747 wrote:
Nice video but gear down, really?
I like South American and African low passes. Gear up, very fast and very low. Americans and (some) Europeans seem to be scared and always do slooow, boooring passes.

Anyway, at least it's good to see the Queen being enjoyed before being retired. That's a beauty for sure.

You mean like this? :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBPOj5VrSdg

I don´t think even without passengers this is not risky.

reltney · Fri Dec 22, 2017 8:33 am

Ok..... Non pilotS. ATC is NEVER allowed to let pilots break the rules. Fly bys with a plane over 12,500 are prohibited by US FARs. Gear/flaps down shooting a practice approach is allowed. Nuff said. Look it up if you are a nay sayer/flamers non pilot. Just a fact. Great low approach. Good practice.. Remember. Pilots control the sky's, ATC helps direct the traffic. Proof? How man hours do pilots have without ever using ATC? I have thousands. Now, how many hours does ATC have directing air traffic with no plane in the sky....ZERO...

I am direct and I admit it. Other countries have different rules ....great. This is what it is in the US, so this is what it is...
My wife is an ATC controller and pilot so ATC, don't try to spout off. We know the big picture. ATC in 1000% essential, but I have 2 planes with out radios. Never will have radios and always legal FAR wise, and I fly them all the time.

ATC aids pilots. ATC cannot tell a pilot to break FARs. Emergency is the only way to have an "excuse" to breach an FAR. You Better have a valid excuse too. I love ATC. I use them when I need and I know when and where I can fly with out them .

Great Retirement flight. I wish I did the flying but had to bid off prior to the last flight. Great pilots were left to fly it and they are living up to the planes reputatuon. Nothing better!

Naysayers and flamers, cleared for attack! I will not respond.

MDW22L31C · Sat Dec 23, 2017 2:05 pm

I saw a Delta 747 at LAX yesterday.

71Zulu · Sat Dec 23, 2017 2:21 pm

leleko747 wrote:
Nice video but gear down, really?
I like South American and African low passes. Gear up, very fast and very low. Americans and (some) Europeans seem to be scared and always do slooow, boooring passes.

Anyway, at least it's good to see the Queen being enjoyed before being retired. That's a beauty for sure.

For safety obviously, didn't want a repeat of this I presume.

https://youtu.be/2Bp2V-rEnsY

CATIIIevery5yrs · Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:06 pm

Well a couple posts prior there's some real deep you know what. But its not worth addressing directly as it appears the person has run and hid. Anyway, as a group, can anyone find the FAR referencing fly by's and aircraft weighing more than 12,500 lbs? If I could see it for myself maybe I'd quit the airshow act at work with pax on board.

71Zulu · Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:17 pm

AR385 wrote:

You mean like this? :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBPOj5VrSdg

I don´t think even without passengers this is not risky.

Yeah that's crazy, this one is nuts too!

https://youtu.be/_dK5VOhKk8s

surfpunk · Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:42 pm

MDW22L31C wrote:
I saw a Delta 747 at LAX yesterday.

Delta is still operating NFL/NCAA charters with them until Jan 3rd.

cwa2toa · Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:07 pm

Thanks for sharing that video. I flew NW 747s into MSP a couple of times. Good ladies.

OT: Anyone know why there was a KL 747 parked at the FBO by the 105 at LAX? Drove by her Thursday morning.

Utah744 · Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:33 pm

Thanks for posting the video. I retired from NWA Dec. 2005 as a B744 Captain. After retirement I noticed I often had sleep problems with dreams of difficulty commuting to work. Loved the video as it brings back all of those hours on that wonderful plane. Hope it doesn't bring back the commuting dreams too.

AntonioMartin · Sun Dec 24, 2017 12:13 am

leleko747 wrote:
I like South American and African low passes. .

Have you seen the Aerosur video from Bolivia?

AR385 · Sun Dec 24, 2017 9:06 am

71Zulu wrote:
AR385 wrote:

You mean like this? :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBPOj5VrSdg

I don´t think even without passengers this is not risky.

Yeah that's crazy, this one is nuts too!

https://youtu.be/_dK5VOhKk8s

Wow! thanks for sharing. That´s a hair´s width from crashing!

737MAX7 · Sun Dec 24, 2017 9:55 am

It saddens me that I most likely will NEVER get to fly on the Queen.

crownvic · Sun Dec 24, 2017 12:11 pm

737MAX7 wrote:
It saddens me that I most likely will NEVER get to fly on the Queen.

Break out your credit card you still have years to fly BA ,LH , Korean, Air China , Qantas and China Airlines 747's...its not the last 747 flight...

WPvsMW · Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:40 pm

reltney wrote:
Gear/flaps down shooting a practice approach is allowed.

Agreed, my point is an intentional low pass, gear up, over an active runway would need tower permission, at least in the US. A "practice approach"/"missed approach", gear and flaps down, would not need the special permission, although I'm sure MSP tower and flight deck were talking.

F27500 · Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:47 pm

The guy in the background with the Minnesota accent .. "ohh my garsh ... thaaats aaahsome ...he's not landing ... thaats the fly arooond ... ooh that's assshsome!" LOL

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