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enilria wrote:FAQ
UA SFO-PHL MAY 3>2
enilria wrote:DL Cuts LAX, UA Adds. Gate swapped?
enilria wrote:This seems like a big deal...or just slot-sitting? Is this bad for JFK int'l or bad for PHL int'l? Probably the latter...
*AA PHL-JFK APR 0>6 MAY 0>6 JUN 0>6 JUL 0>6 AUG 0>6
enilria wrote:Wow, merger capacity cut?
*AS SEA-LAX MAR 13>9 APR 15>10 MAY 19>15
Also wow?
*AS SEA-SFO MAR 8>4 APR 10>6
enilria wrote:DL LAS-SAN JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
DL LAS-SJC JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
enilria wrote:Is Delta losing a gate in LAX?
DL LAX-DTW APR 7>6 MAY 7>6
Service is mostly on E175s. Service was set to flip to 737s with same frequency. Now 717s and 737s and frequency cut.
*DL LAX-SFO APR 13>9 MAY 13>9 JUN 13>9 JUL 12>9 AUG 13>9
*DL LAX-SJC MAR 8>6 APR 8>6 MAY 8>6 JUN 8>6 JUL 7>6 AUG 8>7
enilria wrote:*DL LAX-YVR MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0
enilria wrote:JJ MIA-FOR MAY 0.2>0.3 JUN 0.1>0.3 AUG 0.1>0.3
JJ MIA-GIG MAY 1.0>1.2 JUN 1.0>1.1 AUG 1.0>1.1
JJ MIA-REC JUN 0.1>0.3 JUL 0.1>0.3
*JJ MIA-SSA MAY 0>0.1 JUN 0>0.1 JUL 0>0.2 AUG 0>0.1
enilria wrote:DL Cuts LAX, UA Adds. Gate swapped?
*UA LAX-FAT APR 1.5>4 MAY 1.0>4 JUN 1.0>4 JUL 1.0>4 AUG 1.0>4
UA LAX-LAS APR 4>5 MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5
*UA LAX-RNO APR 1.0>1.7 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>3 JUL 1.0>3 AUG 1.0>3
UA LAX-SMF APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
cledaybuck wrote:The battle for Wilmington is on!
cledaybuck wrote:Also, seems like FCA is getting quite a bit of new capacity this summer.
codc10 wrote:enilria wrote:DL Cuts LAX, UA Adds. Gate swapped?
Not sure about the DL situation, but UA has been down 1-2 gates at a time for the past two years or so during its terminal project, which should wrap this spring. For the first time in a while they'll be back to 'full strength' in terms of T7/8 real estate, which allows for these adds, mostly with UAX equipment since it's been T8 gates blocked for the past year or so.
RJNUT wrote:thanks Enilria
I just don't understand , again, why AC does MCI-YYZ twice daily "off-season" and once daily in summer and then to see , here, MEM get some love and goes 2xdaily in summer?!. oh well I am grateful we have them at all but come on!
enilria wrote:*AA MIA-BON JUN 0>0.1 JUL 0>0.1 AUG 0>0.1
enilria wrote:
**DY BOS-CPH APR 0.1>0 MAY 0.2>0 JUN 0.1>0 JUL 0.2>0 AUG 0.1>0
DY BOS-LGW APR 0.6>1.0 MAY 0.6>1.0 JUN 0.6>1.0 JUL 0.5>1.0 AUG 0.6>1.0
**DY BOS-OSL APR 0.3>0 MAY 0.3>0 JUN 0.3>0 JUL 0.3>0 AUG 0.3>0
enilria wrote:HU BOS-PVG APR 0.4>0.6 MAY 0.5>0.6 JUN 0.4>0.6 JUL 0.4>0.6 AUG 0.4>0.5
HU SEA-PVG APR 0.6>0.4 MAY 0.5>0.4 JUN 0.6>0.4 JUL 0.6>0.4 AUG 0.6>0.5
enilria wrote:S4 BOS-PDL APR 1.1>0.9 MAY 1.1>0.9 JUN 1.2>0.9 JUL 1.1>0.9 AUG 1.0>0.8
enilria wrote:UA IAD-CMH APR 4>1.5 MAY 4>0.9
enilria wrote:*DL LAX-SFO APR 13>9 MAY 13>9 JUN 13>9 JUL 12>9 AUG 13>9
codc10 wrote:Not sure about the DL situation, but UA has been down 1-2 gates at a time for the past two years or so during its terminal project, which should wrap this spring. For the first time in a while they'll be back to 'full strength' in terms of T7/8 real estate, which allows for these adds, mostly with UAX equipment since it's been T8 gates blocked for the past year or so.
jeffh747 wrote:I think the AA PHL-JFK flight isn’t *worse* for anyone, it’s just giving NYC travelers better international options from their PHL hub. Delta has been flying the route (for the opposite- giving PHL travelers more options from JFK) with 757s on a thirty minute flight recently. AA has shifted a few flights from JFK where they can be better served out of PHL. Interesting as quite a few armchair CEO a.netters thought they would ditch the PHL hub for JFK.
Midwestindy wrote:enilria wrote:UA IAD-CMH APR 4>1.5 MAY 4>0.9
Is this a misfile?
RJNUT wrote:thanks Enilria
I just don't understand , again, why AC does MCI-YYZ twice daily "off-season" and once daily in summer and then to see , here, MEM get some love and goes 2xdaily in summer?!. oh well I am grateful we have them at all but come on!
chrisnh wrote:If SAS weren’t flying an A330 to Boston would DY have cut back? Or do the two not have anything to do with each other?
AS SEA-LAX MAR 13>9 APR 15>10 MAY 19>15
AS SEA-PDX MAR 25>23 APR 26>24 MAY 26>25
AS SEA-SFO MAR 8>4 APR 10>6
AS SEA-LAS MAR 9>8 APR 11>8 MAY 11>9
DL LGA-FLL APR 6>5 MAY 6>5 JUN 6>5 JUL 6>5 AUG 6>5
DL LGA-PBI APR 5>4 MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4
DL LGA-RSW JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3
DL MIA-LGA APR 6>5 MAY 6>5 JUN 6>5 JUL 6>5 AUG 6>5
adamh8297 wrote:Thanks for the update this week
adamh8297 wrote:I noticed a route map on DY's twitter posted after the cut this week with the Boston-Scandinavia routes intact. Its possible CPH/OSL are brought back within a couple of weeks but I can see why they may not - DY needs to defend against Primera Air BOS-STN. These routes could also become A321LR routes in 2019
Midwestindy wrote:enilria wrote:UA IAD-CMH APR 4>1.5 MAY 4>0.9
Is this a misfile?
jeffh747 wrote:I think the AA PHL-JFK flight isn’t *worse* for anyone, it’s just giving NYC travelers better international options from their PHL hub. Delta has been flying the route (for the opposite- giving PHL travelers more options from JFK) with 757s on a thirty minute flight recently. AA has shifted a few flights from JFK where they can be better served out of PHL. Interesting as quite a few armchair CEO a.netters thought they would ditch the PHL hub for JFK.
zakuivcustom wrote:enilria wrote:*DL LAX-SFO APR 13>9 MAY 13>9 JUN 13>9 JUL 12>9 AUG 13>9
Finally explain why the flight is no longer marketed as Delta Shuttle I guess. This was the only hourly route out in West Coast and the cut is definitely due to operational issue (i.e. Terminal)
OA412 wrote:While these threads are generally interesting with respect to changes, the headlines are too often overly sensational. DL shrinks LAX implies that they’re making major changes to the hub aimed at substantially curtailing flying, not that they’re dropping one daily LAX-SJC flight, a few LAX-SFO flights (a route still served 9 times daily), and both probably construction related, and a LAX-YVR flight that will be operated by their new JV partner.
orangeguy wrote:Its a busy week. Thanks as always enrila!
orangeguy wrote:These are some pretty big cuts to SEA. The cuts to SEA-LAX make sense to me because there is just too much capacity on that route given that you have AA, DL, NK, and UA operating this route in addition to AS/VX. I am curious what's driving these other cuts. AS has been growing pretty aggressively in the last couple of years with a lot of growth to the east coast, perhaps this will free up aircraft to continue with that strategy or increase some of these new routes that have proved to be quite lucrative.
orangeguy wrote:I wonder what is driving these cuts. Perhaps too much capacity now that they've removed the MD88 from LGA service. This does free up 4 slots.
enilria wrote:Midwestindy wrote:enilria wrote:UA IAD-CMH APR 4>1.5 MAY 4>0.9
Is this a misfile?
Somebody should check UA.com. Sometimes these sorts of things happen when an airline files an internal equipment code externally and OAG does not recognize it. This happens a lot with DL* at-risk operators.
chrisnh wrote:If SAS weren’t flying an A330 to Boston would DY have cut back? Or do the two not have anything to do with each other?
bluefltspecial wrote:chrisnh wrote:If SAS weren’t flying an A330 to Boston would DY have cut back? Or do the two not have anything to do with each other?
While they operate the same routes, their customer base isn't the same.
OA412 wrote:While these threads are generally interesting with respect to changes, the headlines are too often overly sensational. DL shrinks LAX implies that they’re making major changes to the hub aimed at substantially curtailing flying, not that they’re dropping one daily LAX-SJC flight, a few LAX-SFO flights (a route still served 9 times daily), and both probably construction related, and a LAX-YVR flight that will be operated by their new JV partner.
enilria wrote:zakuivcustom wrote:enilria wrote:*DL LAX-SFO APR 13>9 MAY 13>9 JUN 13>9 JUL 12>9 AUG 13>9
Finally explain why the flight is no longer marketed as Delta Shuttle I guess. This was the only hourly route out in West Coast and the cut is definitely due to operational issue (i.e. Terminal)
I forgot about the implications on that shuttle. Shuttles are a dying breed. I wonder if maybe they will announce new flights with the space made available or they lost a gate? I suspect the latter.
enilria wrote:jeffh747 wrote:I think the AA PHL-JFK flight isn’t *worse* for anyone, it’s just giving NYC travelers better international options from their PHL hub. Delta has been flying the route (for the opposite- giving PHL travelers more options from JFK) with 757s on a thirty minute flight recently. AA has shifted a few flights from JFK where they can be better served out of PHL. Interesting as quite a few armchair CEO a.netters thought they would ditch the PHL hub for JFK.
I suspect it is intended to take intl traffic from PHL and start funneling it over JFK which is bad for PHL. There really is no business case for JFK-PHL-Anywhere.
enilria wrote:*AA ORD-ILM JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
*AA ORD-MSO JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
*AA ORD-PWM JUN 0>1.6 JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2
*AA ORD-SAV JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
This seems like a big deal...or just slot-sitting? Is this bad for JFK int'l or bad for PHL int'l? Probably the latter...
*AA PHL-JFK APR 0>6 MAY 0>6 JUN 0>6 JUL 0>6 AUG 0>6
enilria wrote:UA SFO-STL APR 1.9>1.2 MAY 1.9>1.0
VS4ever wrote:Should be noted that although DY have zeroed out CPH/OSL-BOSthey have also increased LGW-BOS to daily and still have the prior 2 on their route map so they may be back at some point.
enilria wrote:\This seems like a big deal...or just slot-sitting? Is this bad for JFK int'l or bad for PHL int'l? Probably the latter...
*AA PHL-JFK APR 0>6 MAY 0>6 JUN 0>6 JUL 0>6 AUG 0>6
AC BOS-YUL MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6
AC BWI-YYZ MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3
AC DEN-YUL JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2
AC DEN-YVR JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
AC IAD-YUL MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2
AC IAH-YYC MAY 3>2 JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2
AC IAH-YYZ MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3
AC MCO-YUL JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
AC MEM-YYZ MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2
AC SAN-YVR MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
AS pulls Q400s out of FAI
AS BOS-SFO JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3
AS DEN-SFO APR 0.6>0.4 MAY 3>2 JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2
*AS MSP-SFO MAY 1.4>1.0 JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0
*AS SEA-SFO MAR 8>4 APR 10>6
AS PDX-DFW MAY 1.4>1.0 JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 1.8>1.0
AS PDX-ORD MAR 1.6>0.9 APR 1.8>1.0
AS SEA-GEG MAR 15>14 MAY 15>14
AS SEA-LAS MAR 9>8 APR 11>8 MAY 11>9
Wow, merger capacity cut?
*AS SEA-LAX MAR 13>9 APR 15>10 MAY 19>15
AS SEA-PDX MAR 25>23 APR 26>24 MAY 26>25
AS SEA-YEG APR 3>2 MAY 3>2 JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2
AS SEA-YVR JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6
AS SEA-YYJ MAR 4>3 MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
B6 FLL-SJU FEB 4>5
B6 JFK-SJU FEB 4>5
B6 MCO-SJU FEB 4>5
*DL LAX-YVR MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0
HU BOS-PVG APR 0.4>0.6 MAY 0.5>0.6 JUN 0.4>0.6 JUL 0.4>0.6 AUG 0.4>0.5
HU SEA-PVG APR 0.6>0.4 MAY 0.5>0.4 JUN 0.6>0.4 JUL 0.6>0.4 AUG 0.6>0.5
UA SFO-FLL APR 1.7>1.0 MAY 2>1.0
zakuivcustom wrote:enilria wrote:zakuivcustom wrote:
Finally explain why the flight is no longer marketed as Delta Shuttle I guess. This was the only hourly route out in West Coast and the cut is definitely due to operational issue (i.e. Terminal)
I forgot about the implications on that shuttle. Shuttles are a dying breed. I wonder if maybe they will announce new flights with the space made available or they lost a gate? I suspect the latter.
Yep, just went on DL's website just to look at the new schedule. No more "Departing on the hour" (i.e. xx00) from LAX nor Depart on xx50 from SFO also. The schedule now looks more like the former "Shuttle" schedule on LAX-SEA and SFO-SEA.
Total # of seats are WAY up, though. Checking on a random mid-May date, it's 4x 717 and 5x 738 for 1240 Seats OW. Right now it's 12-13x E75 for 912-988 seats OW.
obelau24 wrote:zakuivcustom wrote:enilria wrote:
I forgot about the implications on that shuttle. Shuttles are a dying breed. I wonder if maybe they will announce new flights with the space made available or they lost a gate? I suspect the latter.
Yep, just went on DL's website just to look at the new schedule. No more "Departing on the hour" (i.e. xx00) from LAX nor Depart on xx50 from SFO also. The schedule now looks more like the former "Shuttle" schedule on LAX-SEA and SFO-SEA.
Total # of seats are WAY up, though. Checking on a random mid-May date, it's 4x 717 and 5x 738 for 1240 Seats OW. Right now it's 12-13x E75 for 912-988 seats OW.
I was wondering what the heck was happening with LAX-SFO but with your research it makes more sense. I fly that route a few times per month and it’s consistently full on the 717/ERJ. Does that mean it’s minting money? Who knows, but 9 flights a day is more than enough to be convenient for connections and O&D. I doubt anyone will be turned away because they can’t get a flight on the hour. That being said it obviously matters what times those flights are. A Wednesday in March LAX-SFO leaves:
0700
0800
0900
1000
1200
1400
1500
1600
1700
1800
1900
2100
A Wednesday in May it’s:
0700
0845
1015
1145
1320
1500
1645
1845
2000
That’s a nice spectrum but losing the 2100 flight hurts me because I usually connect off the 1200 from HNL. Granted I’m a drop in the bucket. There’s a 2105 to OAK though so at least my spectrum is complete.
Product-wise, it will be a shame to lose the ERJs - those are great customer service machines IMO.
OslPhlWasChi wrote:Can you elaborate on why you think this is to take international traffic away from PHL?
enilria wrote:OslPhlWasChi wrote:Can you elaborate on why you think this is to take international traffic away from PHL?
So, for the most part there is no domestic market at JFK unless it's low fare or can't be flown from LGA. There's only a natural international and long-haul market. AA is not low-fare, so I highly doubt their plan is to undercut B6 non-stops out of JFK by having passengers fly JFK-PHL-* when they could just fly LGA-* non-stop or B6.
Also, there's basically no reason for passengers to fly JFK-PHL-* for intl. JFK has much lower fares than pretty much any U.S. gateway airport, so AA can't make fares low enough to compensate for the painful connect...plus if you are AA loyal you either fly LGA-PHL-* or use the JFK non-stops or One World. Bottom line, there is no business case for JFK-PHL-*.
There's obviously no local market, so now you have the only two remaining markets, PHL-JFK-* for domestic which is crazy because PHL has everything JFK has for AA in spades. That only leaves PHL-JFK-* international. Even if AA's offerings are sparser at JFK than PHL, this will be code shared with all of One World and you add that all up and it should probably fill up a fair number of the seats.
It's basically process of elimination, there's really nobody else to be on the plane except PHL-JFK-Int'l. It will put pressure on PHL-Intl. Whether it is intended to do that or simply a slot sitting experiment remains to be seen, but that's who is going to largely be on these planes in terms of a business justification. Another thing to consider is that it will complicate PHL-Europe revenue management because with all the JFK OW capacity it will be VERY hard to bucket up their PHL-Europe non-stops without being significantly undercut by their own JFK connects and code share connects.
EDIT: Another comment. I haven't noticed the schedule, but I'm assuming these slots are spread throughout the day and not clustered at peaks? If so that negates the slot argument because why would they lose money on a flight to hold a non-peak slot when non-peak slots are fairly worthless? In a normal market you would do it for service pattern, but in a market like this service pattern makes no difference with no local market.
slowrambler wrote:I really can't say I buy the argument that this is to try to route PHL customers over JFK for international, sorry. The PHL-JFK times on (to choose a day) April 12 are
0650
0909
1040
1340
1530
1805
which (especially operated only with ERJs) does not look at all to me like an attempt to funnel PHL-Intl traffic to JFK. It's not obvious to me what oneworld connections from PHL are better done over JFK than over other hubs in the network:
PHL-HEL via AY? You can do PHL-ZRH-HEL or PHL-FRA-HEL or PHL-LHR-HEL in comparable time
PHL-HKG via CX? AA would probably prefer to keep you on their metal via DFW or LAX
PHL-TYO via JL? Go via ORD
The main new connections I see enabled by this are AMM, HND, and daytime LHR, which are nice but not world-changing.
I'm not a New Yorker, so I can't comment on local markets, but there's 6x daily mainline of JFK-CLT so *somebody* is flying domestic. I respectfully submit that it's just as likely that the target market is domestic - PHL - JFK.
tphuang wrote:
Completely different cases. You can't drive in reasonable time from JFK to CLT.
It's a 2 hour drive to Philly from Penn Station. The only O&D I can imagine is long island to Philadelphia. Even then it only makes sense to fly on days when there are huge traffic jam. Even LGA to PHL is all connection traffic. So adding JFK-PHL will just be splitting connection traffic with LGA-PHL.
No clue what AA is doing here.
Jshank83 wrote:enilria wrote:UA SFO-STL APR 1.9>1.2 MAY 1.9>1.0
This one I find interesting. Not sure the last time STL-SFO was only once daily on United. It does happen to overlap when WN starts STL-SJC though. Also, it is mainline SFO->STL but RJ on the return. There are no mainline UA flight from STL to anywhere over the same time period so something has to change. Hopefully, they just add the 2nd flight back in.
OslPhlWasChi wrote:enilria wrote:jeffh747 wrote:I think the AA PHL-JFK flight isn’t *worse* for anyone, it’s just giving NYC travelers better international options from their PHL hub. Delta has been flying the route (for the opposite- giving PHL travelers more options from JFK) with 757s on a thirty minute flight recently. AA has shifted a few flights from JFK where they can be better served out of PHL. Interesting as quite a few armchair CEO a.netters thought they would ditch the PHL hub for JFK.
I suspect it is intended to take intl traffic from PHL and start funneling it over JFK which is bad for PHL. There really is no business case for JFK-PHL-Anywhere.
Can you elaborate on why you think this is to take international traffic away from PHL?
I admittedly am more familiar with PHL than JFK but int'l traffic towards JFK seems counter to other recent moves by AA. AA dropped TATL destinations that are served by PHL (ex. MAN) and has transferred ZRH from JFK to PHL. Also they are adding new TATL destinatiosn at PHL (ex. PRG, BUD). In S18, there will be two TATL destinations served by JFK not at PHL (MXP & EDI) while PHL will have 12 TATL destinations not at JFK (AMS, MAN, MUC, ZRH, ATH, BUD, FRA, LIS, PRG, SNN, VCE). The other 6 TATL destinations served by JFK are also served by PHL (LHR, CDG, MAD, DUB, BCN, FCO). I too don't suspect this is anti-PHL or anti-JFK TATL. But connectivity between the two will open up connections for 2 new markets in JFK and 12 new markets in PHL.
stl07 wrote:Jshank83 wrote:enilria wrote:UA SFO-STL APR 1.9>1.2 MAY 1.9>1.0
This one I find interesting. Not sure the last time STL-SFO was only once daily on United. It does happen to overlap when WN starts STL-SJC though. Also, it is mainline SFO->STL but RJ on the return. There are no mainline UA flight from STL to anywhere over the same time period so something has to change. Hopefully, they just add the 2nd flight back in.
May have had a hunch AS is hopping in. They have added almost every other similar sized midwest city in the past year.
Midwestindy wrote:stl07 wrote:Jshank83 wrote:
This one I find interesting. Not sure the last time STL-SFO was only once daily on United. It does happen to overlap when WN starts STL-SJC though. Also, it is mainline SFO->STL but RJ on the return. There are no mainline UA flight from STL to anywhere over the same time period so something has to change. Hopefully, they just add the 2nd flight back in.
May have had a hunch AS is hopping in. They have added almost every other similar sized midwest city in the past year.
So you are saying based on a "hunch" that a new competitor may add service, UA is decreasing frequency, despite the fact that when AS/VX added SFO-IND/MSY/BNA/e.t.c UA went 2x daily on each of those routes.... Why would a carrier decrease service if a new carrier is thinking of entering the market?
Sorry if I misinterpreted what you were saying?