Meridiana starting MXP-JFK/MIA

lesfalls · Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:53 am

Seems that IG is starting MXP-JFK daily effective June 1st and MIA-MXP 4X weekly effective June 8th:

MXP 13:10-JFK 16:00 Daily
JFK 20:30-MXP 10:30 Daily

MXP 13:00-MIA 17:45 1347
MIA 19:45-MXP 11:10 1347

Both flights will be operated with an A330.

https://www.meridiana.it/it-IT/travel-p ... FK_dic2017

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The U.S to MIL market will now be a blood bath with LAX-MXP on DY, MIA-MXP on AA and NYC-MXP with 6 different airlines! I can't see this lasting or is it suddenly that Milan is growing exponentially with tourism and business?

MAH4546 · Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:43 am

NYC-MIL is a bloodbath, but Milan-U.S. has historically been very underserved, so it's not really catering to growth, just serving a market that already exists.

VCEflyboy · Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:01 am

And wait TK which was doing very well in Italy both in O&D and transit now that no one wants to be even near IST is dumping crazy fares from Italy to JFK just to retain market share.

VCEflyboy · Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:08 am

MAH4546 wrote:
NYC-MIL is a bloodbath, but Milan-U.S. has historically been very underserved, so it's not really catering to growth, just serving a market that already exists.

The market right now is made up of a big Swiss component. It could all collapse like a house of cards whenever Swiss decides to stop charging exorbitant airfares ex ZRH and charge market prices.

OA940 · Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:20 am

Will they get a new cabin/new interiors with the A330?

behramjee · Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:29 am

Are these A332s or A333s ? And are they coming off QR?

Alexdk · Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:36 pm

behramjee wrote:
Are these A332s or A333s ? And are they coming off QR?

A332 ex-Qatar. It's a shame they are apparently not getting any 787s anytime soon.

LIPZ · Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:10 pm

Looks like the new flights are replacing NAP-JFK and PMO-JFK which IG has been running since 2005.

BENAir01 · Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:29 pm

It’s very exciting, but I wish they had used the A330s on their already operating PMO and NAP flights instead of MXP.

ty97 · Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:31 pm

lesfalls wrote:
Seems that IG is starting MXP-JFK daily effective June 1st and MIA-MXP 4X weekly effective June 8th:

MXP 13:10-JFK 16:00 Daily
JFK 20:30-MXP 10:30 Daily

I'll guess that it is related to the slots they have, but a 4.5 hour turn at JFL feels very excessive.

stlgph · Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:00 pm

i smell a trip to Milan in my future.

stlgph · Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:01 pm

ty97 wrote:
lesfalls wrote:
Seems that IG is starting MXP-JFK daily effective June 1st and MIA-MXP 4X weekly effective June 8th:

MXP 13:10-JFK 16:00 Daily
JFK 20:30-MXP 10:30 Daily

I'll guess that it is related to the slots they have, but a 4.5 hour turn at JFL feels very excessive.

T1 gate space at the time might also be a factor in it.

lesfalls · Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:05 pm

LIPZ wrote:
Looks like the new flights are replacing NAP-JFK and PMO-JFK which IG has been running since 2005.

Really? That comes to me as a shock as those flights always had good loads from what I heard. A real pity to see them go.

ahj2000 · Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:18 pm

lesfalls wrote:
LIPZ wrote:
Looks like the new flights are replacing NAP-JFK and PMO-JFK which IG has been running since 2005.

Really? That comes to me as a shock as those flights always had good loads from what I heard. A real pity to see them go.

Especially given that they don’t necessarily have to get rid of the 767s.

LIPZ · Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:26 pm

Let's see if AA or other American carrier will consider to start (at least) JFK-NAP route next summer.

FSDan · Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:36 pm

LIPZ wrote:
Looks like the new flights are replacing NAP-JFK and PMO-JFK which IG has been running since 2005.

That's very disappointing if true. JFK will be down to just MXP, FCO, and VCE in Italy. No more PSA (DL dropped it a year or two ago), no more NAP, no more PMO. I'm sure NAP and PMO were mostly VFR traffic since a lot of Italian Americans are from South Italy, but are they really going to make more money on JFK-MXP when DL/AZ (JV), AA, and EK already fly that route? Heck, EK even has a 388 on the route - seems like way too much capacity...

winGl3t · Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:14 pm

I think DL could make seasonal JFK-NAP work. Plenty of american tourists in South Italy, and some high yield traffic to Capri, and Costiera Amalfitana

VCEflyboy · Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:59 pm

Anyone notices the pattern of copycatting AA routes? It looks like more of AAB’s pissing contest with AA now that the big boy hasn’t got his hands on his big toy.

nmdrdh787 · Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:15 pm

Are they retiring the 767s?

Also, curious what other markets are unserved with large pax sizes from MXP. Anyone got a list?

FSDan · Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:03 pm

nmdrdh787 wrote:
Also, curious what other markets are unserved with large pax sizes from MXP. Anyone got a list?

In North America, I'd guess that ORD, BOS, and SFO are the largest markets from Milan that don't have nonstops. That's just a guess, though.

nmdrdh787 · Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:09 pm

FSDan wrote:
nmdrdh787 wrote:
Also, curious what other markets are unserved with large pax sizes from MXP. Anyone got a list?

In North America, I'd guess that ORD, BOS, and SFO are the largest markets from Milan that don't have nonstops. That's just a guess, though.

I know ORD is, I can see the others. Wonder who will make their stake on them next.

OB1504 · Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:53 pm

Didn’t Meridiana previously announce MIA service with a 767 a few years back? What became of that?

Cunard · Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:37 am

OB1504 wrote:
Didn’t Meridiana previously announce MIA service with a 767 a few years back? What became of that?

A lot of airlines announce new routes but they don't always start them so don't seem surprised by the fact that Meridiana never started MIA service, situations change and some announcements end up being worthless that's Aviation for you.

aemoreira1981 · Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:29 am

Please merge my other thread into this, as I didn't see it. I would be surprised if IG dropped Palermo and Naples. If the A330 is sourced from QR's existing fleet, that makes perfect sense. I would also wonder if when new narrowbodies arrive to QR, older ones would be shifted to Meridiana/Air Italy, especially given the excess narrow-body capacity at QR.

As for the 767s, the B763s are about 21-22 years old and the B762 is 30 years old. All of Meridiana's planes are leased except for that B762. The B763s should be handed back to lessors when the leases expire, and the B762 ultimately retired and scrapped.

VCEflyboy · Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:42 am

Palermo and Naples are already dropped. They are lunching new connections to feed the MXP flights.
The loads were actually good but I wouldn’t be surprised if the yyields were trash. Not that MXP may be any better, but at least it’ll be easier to sell the front of the plane. The new business class is rumoured to be really good. The air rats are a332s from QR

AF022 · Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:12 pm

lesfalls wrote:
Seems that IG is starting MXP-JFK daily effective June 1st and MIA-MXP 4X weekly effective June 8th:

MXP 13:10-JFK 16:00 Daily
JFK 20:30-MXP 10:30 Daily

T1 at JFK is packed, bursting. How can IG operate just seasonally? DY is expanding like crazy and filling up lots of T1 capacity.

Cointrin330 · Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:42 pm

If these new routes are successful, I can see AA being the first to drop JFK-MXP, unless AZ goes out of business first. AA would move the route to PHL.

ritoitalia · Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:05 pm

Looking at Meridiana.com, I noticed there are a lot of connections to Milan Malpensa within Italy timed to meet the new JFK flight rolling out in the next few months. (Such as Lamezia Terme being served 4x weekly to Milan versus Sunday summer only). One has to wonder if IG/QR are planning to eventually hub at Malpensa?

lesfalls · Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:14 pm

ritoitalia wrote:
Looking at Meridiana.com, I noticed there are a lot of connections to Milan Malpensa within Italy timed to meet the new JFK flight rolling out in the next few months. (Such as Lamezia Terme being served 4x weekly to Milan versus Sunday summer only). One has to wonder if IG/QR are planning to eventually hub at Malpensa?

Yes this is the first stage. More is planned:

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... eet-growth

lesfalls · Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:16 pm

Cointrin330 wrote:
If these new routes are successful, I can see AA being the first to drop JFK-MXP, unless AZ goes out of business first. AA would move the route to PHL.

I think that IG in a way is catering to a whole different market with transfers. In addition to that AA I would've thought would have dropped it when EK started JFK-MXP but in the end they didn't.

lesfalls · Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:20 pm

lesfalls wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:
If these new routes are successful, I can see AA being the first to drop JFK-MXP, unless AZ goes out of business first. AA would move the route to PHL.

I think that IG in a way is catering to a whole different market with transfers. In addition to that AA I would've thought would have dropped it when EK started JFK-MXP but in the end they didn't.

In addition to that it seems that UA will be upping capacity to MXP from May:

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-15dec17/

continental004 · Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:25 pm

I’m not too surprised JFK-NAP and PMO are being dropped. The immigrant VFR component from Sicily and southern Italy is aging and dying off, and their children and grandchildren just don’t have those family ties to the montherland anymore, no matter how many I’m-so-proud-to-be Italian in-your-face guidos we see on TV.

Sicily is not a known tourist destination for Americans, and American tourists who want to see Naples, Pompeii, Capri and the Amalfi Coast can do so easily via Rome. Like I did.

lesfalls · Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:42 pm

continental004 wrote:
I’m not too surprised JFK-NAP and PMO are being dropped. The immigrant VFR component from Sicily and southern Italy is aging and dying off, and their children and grandchildren just don’t have those family ties to the montherland anymore, no matter how many I’m-so-proud-to-be Italian in-your-face guidos we see on TV.

Sicily is not a known tourist destination for Americans, and American tourists who want to see Naples, Pompeii, Capri and the Amalfi Coast can do so easily via Rome. Like I did.

Yes unfortunately the time has come for it to end. A real pity as those flights were one of the very few historic western European VFR routes around.

Cointrin330 · Sun Dec 17, 2017 1:40 am

lesfalls wrote:
lesfalls wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:
If these new routes are successful, I can see AA being the first to drop JFK-MXP, unless AZ goes out of business first. AA would move the route to PHL.

I think that IG in a way is catering to a whole different market with transfers. In addition to that AA I would've thought would have dropped it when EK started JFK-MXP but in the end they didn't.

In addition to that it seems that UA will be upping capacity to MXP from May:

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-15dec17/

UA has operated the 777-200ER on EWR-MXP in prior years. Seasonal up gauge.

stlgph · Sun Dec 17, 2017 4:03 am

AF022 wrote:
lesfalls wrote:
Seems that IG is starting MXP-JFK daily effective June 1st and MIA-MXP 4X weekly effective June 8th:

MXP 13:10-JFK 16:00 Daily
JFK 20:30-MXP 10:30 Daily

T1 at JFK is packed, bursting. How can IG operate just seasonally? DY is expanding like crazy and filling up lots of T1 capacity.

Meridiana typically flies from Gate 1 from Terminal 1, which for some reason seems to be the "land of misfit toys" when it comes to airline gates.

Even if not using Gate 1, the 830 departure also scoots out right before Norwegian and Lufthansa have several pulling in around 830.

LAXLHR · Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:08 am

lesfalls wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:
If these new routes are successful, I can see AA being the first to drop JFK-MXP, unless AZ goes out of business first. AA would move the route to PHL.

I think that IG in a way is catering to a whole different market with transfers. In addition to that AA I would've thought would have dropped it when EK started JFK-MXP but in the end they didn't.

J class is ALWAYS pretty full from JFK-MXP-JFK. If anything, MXP-US does not have enough service! MXP is a very premium heavy airport (catchment area)

SCQ83 · Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:17 am

continental004 wrote:
I’m not too surprised JFK-NAP and PMO are being dropped. The immigrant VFR component from Sicily and southern Italy is aging and dying off, and their children and grandchildren just don’t have those family ties to the montherland anymore, no matter how many I’m-so-proud-to-be Italian in-your-face guidos we see on TV.

Sicily is not a known tourist destination for Americans, and American tourists who want to see Naples, Pompeii, Capri and the Amalfi Coast can do so easily via Rome. Like I did.

I agree the main drawback for NAP is that it is too close to Rome (specially for TATL).

However Costiera Amalfitana and Sicily are really growing and getting more and more traction as holiday destinations, at least for Europeans. Traffic at NAP is booming. With DL or UA starting seasonal service to the likes of OPO or EWR, I don't think a seasonal service from JFK/EWR to any of those two airports (or even CTA) is that far fetched. For instance Catania is getting a daily FlyDubai to DXB soon.

smi0006 · Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:30 am

Exciting to see IG grow, hope we see them join Oneworld.

I wonder if their 330s will have the BEDiamknd product - from QR? Looking forward to see their bew brand!!

VCEflyboy · Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:47 pm

The aircraft are currently flying with QR.
configure should be 24C/236Y.

LIPZ · Sat Dec 23, 2017 12:08 am

Curious to note that several people keep complaining on Meridiana FB page (in both English and Italian) about the cancellation of those "historical" Southern Italy - JFK direct flights.
Much more numerous than people happy for the new JFK/MIA routes out of MXP.

I'm just wondering if it would be too late (at this stage) for an American carrier (DL?, AA?) to consider the launch of NAP and/or PMO to NYC for next summer.
Also interesting that just few weeks ago AA wanted to show the beauty of the 2 cities.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcrYk78L ... s&index=16

MIAFLLPBIFlyer · Sat Dec 23, 2017 2:20 am

Really glad to see this route come online. MIA-MXP is an undeserved route and currently has lots of traffic connecting in European hub airports or even backtracking via FCO. AA's nonstop does well.

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