French routes news thread

Alsatian · Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:28 am

Hello,

Trying to restart this thread about the new routes announced from France.

Transavia will operate four new seasonal services from Lyon starting next april :

Lyon - Malaga 2x weekly (competing with Vueling)
Lyon - Djerba 2x weekly (Tunisair, Nouvelair, TUIfly)
Lyon - Catania 2x weekly (easyjet)
Lyon - Palermo 2x weekly (Volotea)

Alsatian · Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:06 am

easyjet will ad a new destination to its network, Rennes. The city will get a four weekly service to Lyon starting late march. Hop currently operates this route 3x daily.

U2 4319 LYS 1130 - 1255 RNS 32S 1-3-5--
U2 4319 LYS 1340 - 1505 RNS 32S ------7

U2 4320 RNS 1330 - 1455 LYS 32S 1-3-5--
U2 4320 RNS 1540 - 1705 LYS 32S ------7

easyjet will also launch Lyon - Tel Aviv 2x weekly next summer competing with Transavia.

grjplanes · Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:58 am

I'm trying to understand the change of the CDG-CPT route from AF to JOON. Joon will operate this route in S18, 3 weekly, with their A340s it will be an increase for the season over last season's 3 weekly AF A330 operations. However currently in W17/18 AF is operating 5 weekly 777-200ER on this route...will Joon be able to match this capacity over W18/19, or will AF operate it again...will Joon by then be in a position to inrease frequency at least (I believe the Joon A340 capacity is slightly less than AF 777-200ER, depending which version AF use on the route)

Alsatian · Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:40 am

grjplanes wrote:
will Joon be able to match this capacity over W18/19, or will AF operate it again...will Joon by then be in a position to inrease frequency at least

I do not think that the plan includes airline switching according to the season. Joon is expecting 10 long-haul airliners in service by 2020 so a frequency increase would probably be possible for next northern winter season.

Alsatian · Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:58 am

easyjet new routes from Bordeaux are in sale :

Bordeaux - Bastia 2x weekly (Volotea and Hop operated the route in S17)
Bordeaux - Catania 3x weekly
Bordeaux - Faro 4x weekly (competing with Volotea)
Bordeaux - Heraklion 2x weekly (Aegean)
Bordeaux - Luxembourg 4x weekly
Bordeaux - London Southend 3x weekly
Bordeaux - Tel Aviv 2x weekly

Alsatian · Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:34 am

And the easyjet's new routes from Nice and Basel-Mulhouse :

Nice - Biarritz 2x weekly
Nice - Catania 2x weekly
Nice - Sevilla up to 3x weekly
Nice - Tel Aviv 2x weekly

Basel - Athens 2x weekly (Aegean)
Basel - Belgrade 3x weekly (Wizzair)
Basel - Lamezia 2x weekly
Basel - Menorca 2x weekly (TUIfly)
Basel - Pula 2x weekly
Basel - Vienna 6x weekly (Austrian, Skywork)

MrBren · Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:45 am

A direct link between Saint-Pierre Pointe-Blanche FSP and Paris? Article in French: http://www.air-journal.fr/2017-12-13-un-paris-saint-pierre-et-miquelon-mais-par-qui-5191812.html

simpv · Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:00 am

Thanks for the topic thread. I fly often to LYS, but always wondered why any city other than Paris has few--if any--connections to North America. There's only the LYS-YUL and seasonal NCE-JFK. Is it that premium traffic is just lower? Or that AF chooses to funnel everybody through CDG? I would imagine there are opportunities for Transatlantic expansion to at least NYC.

MrBren · Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:19 am

simpv wrote:
Thanks for the topic thread. I fly often to LYS, but always wondered why any city other than Paris has few--if any--connections to North America. There's only the LYS-YUL and seasonal NCE-JFK. Is it that premium traffic is just lower? Or that AF chooses to funnel everybody through CDG? I would imagine there are opportunities for Transatlantic expansion to at least NYC.

There are also MRS, NCE, NTE, BDX and TLS to YUL with Air Transat and NCE - YUL with AC Rouge.

Norwegian is exploring the possibilities of some TATL flights from BDX and NCE, see https://forex-1.info/main/norwegian-between-paris-and-the-west-indies-it-heats-up-really-up-for-2018.html.

MrBren · Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:27 am

Hop to open domestic LIL - BES and MRS - ETZ.

See http://laerien.fr/2017/12/13/hop-air-france-ouvre-lille-brest-marseille-metz/.

simpv · Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:29 am

MrBren wrote:
simpv wrote:
Thanks for the topic thread. I fly often to LYS, but always wondered why any city other than Paris has few--if any--connections to North America. There's only the LYS-YUL and seasonal NCE-JFK. Is it that premium traffic is just lower? Or that AF chooses to funnel everybody through CDG? I would imagine there are opportunities for Transatlantic expansion to at least NYC.

There are also MRS, NCE, NTE, BDX and TLS to YUL with Air Transat and NCE - YUL with AC Rouge.

Norwegian is exploring the possibilities of some TATL flights from BDX and NCE, see https://forex-1.info/main/norwegian-between-paris-and-the-west-indies-it-heats-up-really-up-for-2018.html.

Good to know, thanks. I guess because I leave from California, there are never any connecting flights with Air Transat. Still, it seems that there are some opportunities for point-to-point.

Zidane · Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:38 pm

Corsair could return to SXM, and reconnect UVF with Paris.
http://airinfo.org/2016/12/26/corsair-a ... nte-lucie/
Any updates?

MrBren · Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:52 pm

United to launch SFO - PPT 3x weekly using 788 starting October 30th, 2018.

Jetty · Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:25 pm

The title is a bit confusing since there's also an airline named 'French".

Cunard · Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:52 am

MrBren wrote:
simpv wrote:
Thanks for the topic thread. I fly often to LYS, but always wondered why any city other than Paris has few--if any--connections to North America. There's only the LYS-YUL and seasonal NCE-JFK. Is it that premium traffic is just lower? Or that AF chooses to funnel everybody through CDG? I would imagine there are opportunities for Transatlantic expansion to at least NYC.

There are also MRS, NCE, NTE, BDX and TLS to YUL with Air Transat and NCE - YUL with AC Rouge.

Norwegian is exploring the possibilities of some TATL flights from BDX and NCE, see https://forex-1.info/main/norwegian-between-paris-and-the-west-indies-it-heats-up-really-up-for-2018.html.

FYI Bordeaux is BOD not BDX

Alsatian · Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:45 am

simpv wrote:
Thanks for the topic thread.

Glad to read a good feedback, hoping the dicussion will be feeded regularly.

MrBren wrote:
Hop to open domestic LIL - BES and MRS - ETZ.

Some details about these two new routes :

A5 3423 MRS 1015 - ETZ 1135 -2-4--- ER4
A5 3423 MRS 1525 - ETZ 1645 -----6- ER4
A5 3423 MRS 1235 - ETZ 1355 ------7 ER4

A5 3422 ETZ 1225 - 1345 MRS -2-4--- ER4
A5 3423 ETZ 1720 - 1840 MRS -----6- ER4
A5 3423 ETZ 1045 - 1205 MRS ------7 ER4

Twinjet operates these route twice daily on weekdays with BEH but targetting an all business customer base so maybe the two carriers can co-exist.

A5 3442 LIL 1020 - 1135 BES 12345-- ER4
A5 3442 LIL 1005 - 1120 BES ------7 ER4

A5 3443 BES 1210 - 1315 LIL 12345-- ER4
A5 3443 BES 1155 - 1310 LIL ------7 ER4

Flykiss operated this route a few months until ceasing activity earlier this year. Today you can connect these two cities via LYS, quite a long detour.

MrBren · Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:13 am

Cunard wrote:
FYI Bordeaux is BOD not BDX

Good spot indeed

oldannyboy · Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:22 am

simpv wrote:
Thanks for the topic thread. I fly often to LYS, but always wondered why any city other than Paris has few--if any--connections to North America. There's only the LYS-YUL and seasonal NCE-JFK. Is it that premium traffic is just lower? Or that AF chooses to funnel everybody through CDG? I would imagine there are opportunities for Transatlantic expansion to at least NYC.

I believe it all boils down to the quasi-monopoly that AF enjoys in France, and their Paris-focused mentality. If BA is often jokingly referred to as Air London, then AF can certainly be called Air Paris!
I don't dispute the numbers or the lower yields of non-Parisian airports in France, but surely there is a lot of room for growth for long-haul flights from "The Regions". After all France is a large country, with lots of big cities.
Also, bear in mind that in the past even AF used to fly direct to JFK from Nice, Marseille, Lyon and perhaps Bordeaux, on the tri-class A310...

MrBren · Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:19 am

Aigle Azur to launch MRS-BEY 2x weekly from June 12th, 2018 to September 09th, 2018.

MrBren · Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:49 am

ASL Airlines France to open seasonal TLN-ORN and BOD-ORN 1x weekly using 737-300.

MrBren · Mon Dec 18, 2017 3:10 pm

MrBren wrote:
A direct link between Saint-Pierre Pointe-Blanche FSP and Paris? Article in French: http://www.air-journal.fr/2017-12-13-un-paris-saint-pierre-et-miquelon-mais-par-qui-5191812.html

Will be operated by ASL Airlines 1x weekly from July 2nd to August 21st, 2018.

Alsatian · Sat Dec 23, 2017 11:21 am

Lufthansa will add a third daily frequency on the Franfkurt - Marseille sector starting 25 MAR 18 :

LH 1086 FRA 840 - 1010 MRS D 320
LH 1088 FRA 1630 - 1800 MRS D 320
LH 1090 FRA 2020 - 2150 MRS D 320

LH 1091 MRS 705 - 845 FRA D 320
LH 1087 MRS 1050 - 1230 FRA D 320
LH 1089 MRS 1855 - 2030 FRA D 320

Swiss will start seasonal Geneva - Toulon service from late june to early september :

LX 2326 GVA 1355 - 1505 TLN ---4--- CS1
LX 2326 GVA 830 - 940 TLN ------7 CS1

LX 2327 TLN 1555 - 1705 GVA ---4--- CS1
LX 2327 TLN 1020 - 1130 GVA ------7 CS1

SCQ83 · Sat Dec 23, 2017 12:36 pm

Toulon is getting some traction lately, also with new flights to CDG (double daily) and CPH.

I was recently in TLN for my first time and the terminal is quite big (specially when compared to some other "similar" airports like FNI) and looked quite deserted. Lots of room to grow there. Maybe it could be an easyJet / Ryanair airport in the future (specially now that U2 is venturing into smaller holiday airports). Weird enough, there are no flights to London, so a STN/ LGW/SEN/LTN-TLN would make a lot of sense.

santos · Sat Dec 23, 2017 1:03 pm

SCQ83 wrote:
Toulon is getting some traction lately, also with new flights to CDG (double daily) and CPH.

I was recently in TLN for my first time and the terminal is quite big (specially when compared to some other "similar" airports like FNI) and looked quite deserted. Lots of room to grow there. Maybe it could be an easyJet / Ryanair airport in the future (specially now that U2 is venturing into smaller holiday airports). Weird enough, there are no flights to London, so a STN/ LGW/SEN/LTN-TLN would make a lot of sense.

I think CityJet used to operate that route until late this summer from LCY, but as with most LCY routes that have canceled it.
Maybe Flybe or BACF will give it a go on a seasonal basis?

SCQ83 · Sat Dec 23, 2017 1:05 pm

santos wrote:
I think CityJet used to operate that route until late this summer from LCY, but as with most LCY routes that have canceled it.
Maybe Flybe or BACF will give it a go on a seasonal basis?

Maybe even BA from LHR on one of those summer-only 2-weekly service. Hyères is a relatively posh destination so it fits well with BA/LHR.

AF773 · Sat Dec 23, 2017 2:49 pm

SCQ83 wrote:
Toulon is getting some traction lately, also with new flights to CDG (double daily) and CPH.

I was recently in TLN for my first time and the terminal is quite big (specially when compared to some other "similar" airports like FNI) and looked quite deserted. Lots of room to grow there. Maybe it could be an easyJet / Ryanair airport in the future (specially now that U2 is venturing into smaller holiday airports). Weird enough, there are no flights to London, so a STN/ LGW/SEN/LTN-TLN would make a lot of sense.

TLN London has been tried so many times.

Buzz started STN TLN, until they went bust
BA had a short lived LGW TLN
Ryanair STN TLN
Cityjet für AF LCY TLN

None lasted. Maybe TLN is just too close, stuck between its big sisters NCE and MRS which have an abundance of direct flights to London.
It is a shame, I absolutely love this airport.
Looking forward to the CDG link starting in March.

Cunard · Sun Dec 24, 2017 4:16 am

Flybe fly seasonally from SOU to TLN.

MrBren · Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:29 pm

Twin Jet to open MRS - TLS once 1x a day starting 15 January 2018.

http://laerien.fr/2017/12/28/twin-jet-marseille-toulouse/

MrBren · Sat Dec 30, 2017 12:42 pm

MrBren wrote:
Twin Jet to open MRS - TLS once 1x a day starting 15 January 2018.

http://laerien.fr/2017/12/28/twin-jet-marseille-toulouse/

T71515 MRS 15:50-16:50 TLS BEH ex67
T71516 TLS 17:15-18:15 MRS BEH ex67

Cunard · Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:01 pm

MrBren wrote:
MrBren wrote:
Twin Jet to open MRS - TLS once 1x a day starting 15 January 2018.

http://laerien.fr/2017/12/28/twin-jet-marseille-toulouse/

T71515 MRS 15:50-16:50 TLS BEH ex67
T71516 TLS 17:15-18:15 MRS BEH ex67

Thanks for that information considering it was already posted one above yours!

bycac · Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:52 pm

Alsatian wrote:
Lufthansa will add a third daily frequency on the Franfkurt - Marseille sector starting 25 MAR 18 :

LH 1086 FRA 840 - 1010 MRS D 320
LH 1088 FRA 1630 - 1800 MRS D 320
LH 1090 FRA 2020 - 2150 MRS D 320

LH 1091 MRS 705 - 845 FRA D 320
LH 1087 MRS 1050 - 1230 FRA D 320
LH 1089 MRS 1855 - 2030 FRA D 320

Swiss will start seasonal Geneva - Toulon service from late june to early september :

LX 2326 GVA 1355 - 1505 TLN ---4--- CS1
LX 2326 GVA 830 - 940 TLN ------7 CS1

LX 2327 TLN 1555 - 1705 GVA ---4--- CS1
LX 2327 TLN 1020 - 1130 GVA ------7 CS1

Thanks for this post ! i will follow as well ;-)

LH adding a fourth frequency between TLS and FRA
LH1096 FRA 1210 - 1350 TLS ex 467 320
LH1097 TLS 1445 - 1630 FRA ex 467 320

MrBren · Tue Jan 02, 2018 9:09 am

Blue Air to open CDG - TRN 3x a week starting March 25th.

https://laerien.fr/2018/01/01/blue-air-relier-paris-cdg-turin/

MrBren · Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:09 am

Norwegian to operate Paris to Newark from ORY, instead of CDG, 7x weekly, instead of 6x weekly, using a 789.

http://www.air-journal.fr/2018-01-08-norwegian-demenage-le-paris-newark-vers-orly-5192892.html

MrBren · Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:02 am

Finnair to operate HEL - LYS 2x weekly using Embraer 190 starting 11 December 2018.

http://www.air-journal.fr/2018-01-10-finnair-annonce-un-helsinki-lyon-pour-lhiver-prochain-5192989.html

PhilDur · Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:55 am

oldannyboy wrote:

I believe it all boils down to the quasi-monopoly that AF enjoys in France, and their Paris-focused mentality. If BA is often jokingly referred to as Air London, then AF can certainly be called Air Paris!
I don't dispute the numbers or the lower yields of non-Parisian airports in France, but surely there is a lot of room for growth for long-haul flights from "The Regions". After all France is a large country, with lots of big cities.
Also, bear in mind that in the past even AF used to fly direct to JFK from Nice, Marseille, Lyon and perhaps Bordeaux, on the tri-class A310...

No France is certainly not a large country : how long does it take to fly from Lille to Nice and from Seatle to Miami ?
France is not a small one either. Europe is a large one.

How many transoceanic regular flights are bound from or to Montana ?

AF is not the problem. The problem is the country structure of France.
The lone "Ile de France" region (around Paris) holds about 19% of the french people.
Travelling from Lille (a major city in France) city center to CDG requires less than 1 hour per train.
From Lyon it's only 2h and from Marseille it's 3 h. Compare with JFK express times, where are you within 1 h ?
Lots of people working in Paris reside in a 150 km (approx 110 mi) distance. Some people working in Paris have move to Aix en Provence just because of the train and the nice weather.

AF, and other airlines DL, LH, BA will change from their preferred Paris based scheme, if the nation economic structure change. Will it ever change ? That's another question.

oldannyboy · Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:03 pm

PhilDur wrote:

No France is certainly not a large country Lille to Nice and from Seatle to Miami ?
France is not a small one either. Europe is a large one.
How long does it take to fly from Lille to Nice and from Seatle to Miami ?
.

I'll try to be as polite as possible, but you should work on your international geography and 'general sense of geographical awareness' a bit, as well as realizing Europe is NOT a country.
Also: define big. Could we perhaps agree that France is large, mature, western economy? Yes?

Does the US ALWAYS have to be the pre-defined benchmark for all and sundry in this forum?

MrBren · Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:24 pm

Air France to operate CDG to Bergen, Cork and Wroclaw for the coming summer.

https://laerien.fr/2018/01/10/air-france-ajoute-bergen-cork-et-wroclaw-reseau-ete/

Cunard · Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:42 pm

oldannyboy wrote:
PhilDur wrote:

No France is certainly not a large country Lille to Nice and from Seatle to Miami ?
France is not a small one either. Europe is a large one.
How long does it take to fly from Lille to Nice and from Seatle to Miami ?
.

I'll try to be as polite as possible, but you should work on your international geography and 'general sense of geographical awareness' a bit, as well as realizing Europe is NOT a country.
Also: define big. Could we perhaps agree that France is large, mature, western economy? Yes?

Does the US ALWAYS have to be the pre-defined benchmark for all and sundry in this forum?

I'm going to type this in capitals!

I AGREE TOTALLY WITH YOUR REPLY.

Phil Dur

I'm going to be as polite as well BUT your post is absolutely ridiculous and you just don't get it at all and your obvious lacking any knowledge of Geography and that France is the second largest country in EUROPE.

Have you ever heard of a TGV?

Even a 5 year old child knows that Europe is NOT a country.

oldannyboy · Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:10 pm

Cunard wrote:
oldannyboy wrote:
PhilDur wrote:

No France is certainly not a large country Lille to Nice and from Seatle to Miami ?
France is not a small one either. Europe is a large one.
How long does it take to fly from Lille to Nice and from Seatle to Miami ?
.

I'll try to be as polite as possible, but you should work on your international geography and 'general sense of geographical awareness' a bit, as well as realizing Europe is NOT a country.
Also: define big. Could we perhaps agree that France is large, mature, western economy? Yes?

Does the US ALWAYS have to be the pre-defined benchmark for all and sundry in this forum?

I'm going to type this in capitals!

I AGREE TOTALLY WITH YOUR REPLY.

Phil Dur

I'm going to be as polite as well BUT your post is absolutely ridiculous and you just don't get it at all and your obvious lacking any knowledge of Geography and that France is the second largest country in EUROPE.

Have you ever heard of a TGV?

Even a 5 year old child knows that Europe is NOT a country.

Ohhh, dearie me, Mr Cunard...some of the people on this forum......... 'nuff said. :banghead:

Oh well, what can you do, really...

vahancrazy · Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:05 pm

Actually France is 3rd European country by area: 1st Russia (European side), 2nd Ucraine, 3rd France.

lysflyer · Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:16 pm

The main issue in France is the mentality of both people and politicians.
- People, for many french the sole and only one transportation hub for international long distance travel is Paris due to the huge offer that kills any competition from the regions because the demand isn't as much as it is in Paris (not talking about the yields).
- Politicians are located in Paris and fear the "competition" from "La province" (the rest of the country). The best example is Lyon. It is a fairly large city with good economy and a huge potential for at least some key intercontinental links (let's say daily US, ME3 and perhaps to the Caribbean) but everything is done to focus on connecting through CDG hub rather than developing LYS properly. AF killed its well-designed and managed hub ops in order not to compete with CDG. DL tried JFK from there but when you wanted to book the first options were always through CDG...

factsonly · Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:42 am

In S18 KLM is to replace Air France/HOP on NTE-AMS and increases weekend frequencies:

- NTE 06:30 - AMS 08:10 KL1454 E190 daily
- NTE 12:00 - AMS 13:40 KL1456 B737 daily ex.Sun
- NTE 17:10 - AMS 18:50 KL1460 E190 daily

Alsatian · Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:09 pm

Ryanair announces today 10 new routes from France next winter :

Paris Beauvais to Bratislava (2x weekly), Malta (2x), Prague (3x) and Thessaloniki (2x)
Marseille to Bucharest (2x), Budapest (2x) and Faro (2x)
Nantes to London Stansted (4x) et Seville (2x)
Bordeaux to Valencia (2 vols hebdos)

https://corporate.ryanair.com/nouvelles ... ?market=en

davidjohnson6 · Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:41 pm

IGAvion to add routes from Chateauroux to Biarritz, London-Southend, Lyon and Toulouse.
https://www.leberry.fr/chateauroux/tran ... 02417.html

lysflyer · Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:52 pm

@davidjohnson6, exiting news but i will believe it when i will see it!

Sksf19 · Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:21 pm

Primera Air Scandinavia adds once weekly Strasbourg-Rhodes service for Summer 18.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... e-in-3q18/

Alsatian · Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:53 pm

Sksf19 wrote:
Primera Air Scandinavia adds once weekly Strasbourg-Rhodes service for Summer 18.

From 27JUL18 to 24AUG18, so five flights...

MrBren · Sat Jan 27, 2018 7:55 am

XL Airways might open Toulouse TLS - Zhengzhou CGO 2x weekly from April 2019 to October 2019.

Details in French https://lentreprise.lexpress.fr/actualites/1/actualites/vers-une-ligne-aerienne-directe-entre-toulouse-et-la-chine_1979839.html

MrBren · Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:55 am

WestJet to start a daily Halifax YHZ - Paris CDG using a B737-8MAX starting 31 May 2018.

http://www.air-journal.fr/2018-01-30-westjet-lance-au-printemps-prochain-une-liaison-entre-halifax-et-paris-cdg-en-737-8-max-5193907.html

YVRing · Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:00 am

Can we please get the title changed to "French Connections" ?

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