decry wrote:

qf789 wrote:

Looks like EK413 SYD-DXB got an exemption from the curfew as it departed SYD 30 minutes after midnight

Wowzers! Also can't remember ever seeing heavy aircraft (CX, EK & QF) landing from the north after 11 pm.

I'm glad they gave them the exemption - these sort of incidents are exactly when the curfew should be lifted (though the curfew shouldn't exist in the first place...).

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-to-laun ... ource=hero

Ausbt is reporting that QF will start MEL-SFO in 'late 2018' with the 787-9. No other details yet about timings, frequency, etc.

My guess is that QF will either drop, or have AA take some MEL-LAX services once the MEL-SFO flights start.

EDIT: Now reporting that the MEL based 787's will be 'shared' between LAX and SFO with neither city having a daily Dreamliner service from MEL.

743Flyer wrote:

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-to-launch-melbourne-san-francisco-route-with-boeing-787?utm_source=hero

Ausbt is reporting that QF will start MEL-SFO in 'late 2018' with the 787-9. No other details yet about timings, frequency, etc.

Will this see QF drop or have AA take over some MEL-LAX services?

I don't think QF will have the capacity to run MEL-PER-LHR daily, MEL-LAX 6x weekly and MEL-SFO with 4 aircraft - the amount they have 'assigned' to MEL. Unless the plan has changed and more of the order will be based in MEL but I believe QF reached an agreement with BNE and Qld Government to base 4 aircraft in BNE...

I think it is likely we will see 2x daily QF MEL-USA services - Maybe 9x weekly LAX and 5x weekly SFO (includes daily A380 LAX flight).

Qantas16 wrote:

743Flyer wrote:

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-to-launch-melbourne-san-francisco-route-with-boeing-787?utm_source=hero

Ausbt is reporting that QF will start MEL-SFO in 'late 2018' with the 787-9. No other details yet about timings, frequency, etc.

Will this see QF drop or have AA take over some MEL-LAX services?

I don't think QF will have the capacity to run MEL-PER-LHR daily, MEL-LAX 6x weekly and MEL-SFO with 4 aircraft - the amount they have 'assigned' to MEL. Unless the plan has changed and more of the order will be based in MEL but I believe QF reached an agreement with BNE and Qld Government to base 4 aircraft in BNE...

I think it is likely we will see 2x daily QF MEL-USA services - Maybe 9x weekly LAX and 5x weekly SFO (includes daily A380 LAX flight).

This should clear it up

Qantas today also announced an all-new route to be operated by the Dreamliner, with the introduction of – Melbourne to San Francisco. The route will be on sale from early 2018 with flights expected to start by late 2018. Capacity between Melbourne and the US will be rebalanced to match demand for the two Californian cities, meaning that the Dreamliner will fly to Los Angeles some days of the week and San Francisco other days.

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... off-to-la/

So MEL-LAX will be reduced to faciltate MEL-SFO

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qatar-airways- ... ource=hero

QR has confirmed the rumours that it will put the the a380 on DOH-PER. From May 1, the 777-300ER flights will now be operated by the a380. Article also states that DOH-SYD-CBR flights are planned to begin on FEB 12. QR website says that CBR flights will be operated by a 77W.

743Flyer wrote:

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qatar-airways-airbus-a380-to-fly-perth-doha-from-may-2018?utm_source=hero

QR has confirmed the rumours that it will the the a380 on DOH-PER. From May 1, the 777-300ER flights will now be operated by the a380. Article also states that DOH-SYD-CBR flights are planned to begin on FEB 12. QR website says that CBR flights will be operated by a 77W.

Seems my source was right

qf789 wrote:

Qantas16 wrote:

743Flyer wrote:

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-to-launch-melbourne-san-francisco-route-with-boeing-787?utm_source=hero

Ausbt is reporting that QF will start MEL-SFO in 'late 2018' with the 787-9. No other details yet about timings, frequency, etc.

Will this see QF drop or have AA take over some MEL-LAX services?

I don't think QF will have the capacity to run MEL-PER-LHR daily, MEL-LAX 6x weekly and MEL-SFO with 4 aircraft - the amount they have 'assigned' to MEL. Unless the plan has changed and more of the order will be based in MEL but I believe QF reached an agreement with BNE and Qld Government to base 4 aircraft in BNE...

I think it is likely we will see 2x daily QF MEL-USA services - Maybe 9x weekly LAX and 5x weekly SFO (includes daily A380 LAX flight).

This should clear it up

Qantas today also announced an all-new route to be operated by the Dreamliner, with the introduction of – Melbourne to San Francisco. The route will be on sale from early 2018 with flights expected to start by late 2018. Capacity between Melbourne and the US will be rebalanced to match demand for the two Californian cities, meaning that the Dreamliner will fly to Los Angeles some days of the week and San Francisco other days.

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... off-to-la/

So MEL-LAX will be reduced to faciltate MEL-SFO

So does the fact that QF is launching MEL-SFO mean that BNE-SFO is more or less likely as their new BNE-USA route? I would have thought less likely and more likely we will see ORD or DFW instead or.... BNE-MIA? It's only 100miles longer than PER-LHR - a long shot I know

QF95 MEL-LAX is being operated by VH-ZNA today

decry wrote:

qf789 wrote:

Looks like EK413 SYD-DXB got an exemption from the curfew as it departed SYD 30 minutes after midnight

Wowzers! Also can't remember ever seeing heavy aircraft (CX, EK & QF) landing from the north after 11 pm.

On 11 Dec CZ326 (opby A380 B-6139) departed SYD at 11:59pm after a GTB earlier in the day: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... 26#fcb8c17

Michael

RE: QF changes to SIN, this didn't get mentioned

The second daily PER flight (QF77/78) won't operate between 13 May and 9 Jun 18

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... s-in-ns18/

Yesterday's QF95 SYD-YVR diverted to SEA due to weather

Here's a couple of photos



https://twitter.com/AeroimagesChris/sta ... 2638770176



https://twitter.com/SeaTacAirport/statu ... 1721534464

Qantas16 wrote:

So does the fact that QF is launching MEL-SFO mean that BNE-SFO is more or less likely as their new BNE-USA route? I would have thought less likely and more likely we will see ORD or DFW instead or.... BNE-MIA? It's only 100miles longer than PER-LHR - a long shot I know

It would be good to know if there might be some financial benefit in having daily service to a remote port, ie cheaper crew cost or better utilisation? If yes, then I would think that BNE-SFO might be something that could give SFO greater viability. A 3pw SYD service could too but QF would be going up against UA, but BNE-SFO would be a different market proposition

Seasonal QF17/18 SYD-LAX has started today

https://www.flightradar24.com/QFA17/fd7328b

Indonesia AirAsia is cancelling DPS-DRW effective 28 January 2018, meanwhile JQ is exploring additional flights on DRW-DPS with a decision to made next year

http://www.ntnews.com.au/lifestyle/bali ... a50d7ee3de

According to the AusBT it is believed that MEL-SFO will run 4 weekly and MEL-LAX (QF95/96) will run 3 weekly instead of previously planned 6 weekly MEL-LAX. Of course this new information will increase utilisation. QF is really going to push every minute out of these 787's

Qantas is understood to be planning for the Boeing 787 – which will fly into Melbourne from the non-stop London-Perth service – to continue to San Francisco on fours day each week and Los Angeles on the other three days, complementing the daily Airbus A380 between Melbourne and Los Angeles.

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-to-laun ... ource=hero

qf789 wrote:

According to the AusBT it is believed that MEL-SFO will run 4 weekly and MEL-LAX (QF95/96) will run 3 weekly instead of previously planned 6 weekly MEL-LAX. Of course this new information will increase utilisation. QF is really going to push every minute out of these 787's

Qantas is understood to be planning for the Boeing 787 – which will fly into Melbourne from the non-stop London-Perth service – to continue to San Francisco on fours day each week and Los Angeles on the other three days, complementing the daily Airbus A380 between Melbourne and Los Angeles.

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-to-laun ... ource=hero

Meaning they will probably have 1 spare day ex BNE, a bit more in low season, I’d say BNE-LAX 9 weekly daily JFK and a 4 weekly BNE-ORD to start with.

qf789 wrote:

According to the AusBT it is believed that MEL-SFO will run 4 weekly and MEL-LAX (QF95/96) will run 3 weekly instead of previously planned 6 weekly MEL-LAX. Of course this new information will increase utilisation. QF is really going to push every minute out of these 787's

Qantas is understood to be planning for the Boeing 787 – which will fly into Melbourne from the non-stop London-Perth service – to continue to San Francisco on fours day each week and Los Angeles on the other three days, complementing the daily Airbus A380 between Melbourne and Los Angeles.

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-to-laun ... ource=hero

Current Qantas --> LAX sales around the traps have significantly lower fares out of MEL compared to other cities. Might point to over capacity on the route, just publicising the 789 debut, or trying to "win back" the VIC / TAS flying public. I'm curious as to which one it is.

qf789 wrote:

Indonesia AirAsia is cancelling DPS-DRW effective 28 January 2018, meanwhile JQ is exploring additional flights on DRW-DPS with a decision to made next year

http://www.ntnews.com.au/lifestyle/bali ... a50d7ee3de

If a budget airline like AirAsia cant make it work not sure how jetstar could.

waoz1 wrote:

qf789 wrote:

Indonesia AirAsia is cancelling DPS-DRW effective 28 January 2018, meanwhile JQ is exploring additional flights on DRW-DPS with a decision to made next year

http://www.ntnews.com.au/lifestyle/bali ... a50d7ee3de

If a budget airline like AirAsia cant make it work not sure how jetstar could.

JQ and AirAsia are very similar, so there is every chance JQ can make it work. Also JQ run the aircraft to DPS overnight when the aircraft would otherwise be sitting on the ground.

zkncj wrote:

qf789 wrote:

VH-SBW (50Y) QantasLink 1984 Livery - currently all white

SBW seems to be an 'hot swap' aircraft between QLink and JQNZ, Its currently back in New Zealand operateing as Jetstar.

It is going to get Jetstar stickers and stay in NZ.

MooLor wrote:

qf789 wrote:

According to the AusBT it is believed that MEL-SFO will run 4 weekly and MEL-LAX (QF95/96) will run 3 weekly instead of previously planned 6 weekly MEL-LAX. Of course this new information will increase utilisation. QF is really going to push every minute out of these 787's

Qantas is understood to be planning for the Boeing 787 – which will fly into Melbourne from the non-stop London-Perth service – to continue to San Francisco on fours day each week and Los Angeles on the other three days, complementing the daily Airbus A380 between Melbourne and Los Angeles.

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-to-laun ... ource=hero

Current Qantas --> LAX sales around the traps have significantly lower fares out of MEL compared to other cities. Might point to over capacity on the route, just publicising the 789 debut, or trying to "win back" the VIC / TAS flying public. I'm curious as to which one it is.

Airfares ex-MEL are always cheaper compared to ex-SYD.

Qantas16 wrote:

decry wrote:

qf789 wrote:

Looks like EK413 SYD-DXB got an exemption from the curfew as it departed SYD 30 minutes after midnight

Wowzers! Also can't remember ever seeing heavy aircraft (CX, EK & QF) landing from the north after 11 pm.

I'm glad they gave them the exemption - these sort of incidents are exactly when the curfew should be lifted (though the curfew shouldn't exist in the first place...).

I was walking back from Newtown station on Thursday night (11/Dec) and was puzzled to see a QF A330 on final approach only to realise that it was 11:30pm, so something must have indeed happened to the curfew...

Some delays to LAX flights for QF

QF16 LAX-BNE running 4 hours behind, both flights to SYD (QF12/18) departed 5 hours behind, looks like flights were held back due to the JFK-LAX flight departing about 5 hours late

LamboAston wrote:

zkncj wrote:

qf789 wrote:

VH-SBW (50Y) QantasLink 1984 Livery - currently all white

SBW seems to be an 'hot swap' aircraft between QLink and JQNZ, Its currently back in New Zealand operateing as Jetstar.

It is going to get Jetstar stickers and stay in NZ.

I expected VH-SBW to get QF colours and VH-SCE to be repainted as Jetstar. VH-SCE is the last QF Q300 to be repainted.

PA515

getluv wrote:

MooLor wrote:

qf789 wrote:

According to the AusBT it is believed that MEL-SFO will run 4 weekly and MEL-LAX (QF95/96) will run 3 weekly instead of previously planned 6 weekly MEL-LAX. Of course this new information will increase utilisation. QF is really going to push every minute out of these 787's



https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-to-laun ... ource=hero

Current Qantas --> LAX sales around the traps have significantly lower fares out of MEL compared to other cities. Might point to over capacity on the route, just publicising the 789 debut, or trying to "win back" the VIC / TAS flying public. I'm curious as to which one it is.

Airfares ex-MEL are always cheaper compared to ex-SYD.

Cheaper than BNE/ADL etc. on these sale fares too.

SYD has higher airport fees and probably still the fed govt 'noise reduction levy' or some BS, so yes airfares are almost always a tad higher. But I'm talking MEL fares ~20% cheaper on the same airline to the same destination on already heavily discounted sale fares. Even ex-SYD the prices are amazing, ex-MEL they are crazy.

SYD airport fees... That's a whole other topic. A hangover from the national-hub days? With other privatised airports also now "bursting at the seams" you have to wonder when they will begin maximising their revenues. And what is stopping them?

Often when trying to redeem FF points from Sydney you'll be routed through Melbourne so clearly there is more availability ex MEL.

MooLor wrote:

getluv wrote:

MooLor wrote:

Current Qantas --> LAX sales around the traps have significantly lower fares out of MEL compared to other cities. Might point to over capacity on the route, just publicising the 789 debut, or trying to "win back" the VIC / TAS flying public. I'm curious as to which one it is.

Airfares ex-MEL are always cheaper compared to ex-SYD.

Cheaper than BNE/ADL etc. on these sale fares too.

SYD has higher airport fees and probably still the fed govt 'noise reduction levy' or some BS, so yes airfares are almost always a tad higher. But I'm talking MEL fares ~20% cheaper on the same airline to the same destination on already heavily discounted sale fares. Even ex-SYD the prices are amazing, ex-MEL they are crazy.

I think the $787 MEL-LAX promo fares offered by QF at the moment are a one-off for obvious reasons.

getluv wrote:

MooLor wrote:

getluv wrote:

Airfares ex-MEL are always cheaper compared to ex-SYD.

Cheaper than BNE/ADL etc. on these sale fares too.

SYD has higher airport fees and probably still the fed govt 'noise reduction levy' or some BS, so yes airfares are almost always a tad higher. But I'm talking MEL fares ~20% cheaper on the same airline to the same destination on already heavily discounted sale fares. Even ex-SYD the prices are amazing, ex-MEL they are crazy.

I think the $787 MEL-LAX promo fares offered by QF at the moment are a one-off for obvious reasons.

just because they put out a fare doesn't mean there are many seats.

A really stupid move. QF should be pushing fares up. The general public will start to think these are "normal" levels & when QF don't have them they might fly via AKL instead, especially when they see fares like Scoot to SIN for $129 one way & Europe from $369 one way. (NOTE: if you're on Scoots email list, you get the email that says $369 one way to Athens & you don't go onto read that's it from Perth. Not sure what it was from Melbourne, prob $429. Yes no food or bags & connection at SIN is lousy, but the point is it's $369 from OZ to ATH & that's what public remember. Are QF trying to get down to Scoot levels ? 2 seats on 1/5 of these flights ? (like Tiger did a few years back & got caught out when it was found that no flight had any more than 2 seats at sale fare & when challenged, they couldn't deny it)

USAOZ wrote:

getluv wrote:

MooLor wrote:

Cheaper than BNE/ADL etc. on these sale fares too.

SYD has higher airport fees and probably still the fed govt 'noise reduction levy' or some BS, so yes airfares are almost always a tad higher. But I'm talking MEL fares ~20% cheaper on the same airline to the same destination on already heavily discounted sale fares. Even ex-SYD the prices are amazing, ex-MEL they are crazy.

I think the $787 MEL-LAX promo fares offered by QF at the moment are a one-off for obvious reasons.

just because they put out a fare doesn't mean there are many seats.

A really stupid move. QF should be pushing fares up. The general public will start to think these are "normal" levels & when QF don't have them they might fly via AKL instead, especially when they see fares like Scoot to SIN for $129 one way & Europe from $369 one way. (NOTE: if you're on Scoots email list, you get the email that says $369 one way to Athens & you don't go onto read that's it from Perth. Not sure what it was from Melbourne, prob $429. Yes no food or bags & connection at SIN is lousy, but the point is it's $369 from OZ to ATH & that's what public remember. Are QF trying to get down to Scoot levels ? 2 seats on 1/5 of these flights ? (like Tiger did a few years back & got caught out when it was found that no flight had any more than 2 seats at sale fare & when challenged, they couldn't deny it)

The discussion is on fares from MEL to the US. It has nothing to do with Scoot.

Quite frankly I am starting to get quite annoyed (along with other users who participate regularly on this thread) with you trying to derail this thread with your own personal agenda. Keep it out of the discussion and keep on topic.

qf789 wrote:

Some delays to LAX flights for QF

QF16 LAX-BNE running 4 hours behind, both flights to SYD (QF12/18) departed 5 hours behind, looks like flights were held back due to the JFK-LAX flight departing about 5 hours late

Yeah I was on JFK-LAX-BNE and we had to de-ice at JFK due a snowstorm, which took about 3 hours (the plane was an hour late coming in). The Qantas ground staff held the BNE and two SYD flights at LAX and sent the two MEL flights on time (including the 787). Then they basically rescheduled all of the QF94 onto QF12 and QF96 onto QF18. When we switched planes the new gate had balloons from the dreamliner flight.

PA515 wrote:

LamboAston wrote:

zkncj wrote:

SBW seems to be an 'hot swap' aircraft between QLink and JQNZ, Its currently back in New Zealand operateing as Jetstar.

It is going to get Jetstar stickers and stay in NZ.

I expected VH-SBW to get QF colours and VH-SCE to be repainted as Jetstar. VH-SCE is the last QF Q300 to be repainted.

PA515

I was told by people in JQNZ

MooLor wrote:

getluv wrote:

MooLor wrote:

Current Qantas --> LAX sales around the traps have significantly lower fares out of MEL compared to other cities. Might point to over capacity on the route, just publicising the 789 debut, or trying to "win back" the VIC / TAS flying public. I'm curious as to which one it is.

Airfares ex-MEL are always cheaper compared to ex-SYD.

Cheaper than BNE/ADL etc. on these sale fares too.

SYD has higher airport fees and probably still the fed govt 'noise reduction levy' or some BS, so yes airfares are almost always a tad higher. But I'm talking MEL fares ~20% cheaper on the same airline to the same destination on already heavily discounted sale fares. Even ex-SYD the prices are amazing, ex-MEL they are crazy.

SYD airport fees... That's a whole other topic. A hangover from the national-hub days? With other privatised airports also now "bursting at the seams" you have to wonder when they will begin maximising their revenues. And what is stopping them?

I think as regulated monopolies the ACCC would stop them, they use a complex formula to work back a reasonable profit, then what can be charged for it. Tricky part is building the infrastructure, as airports want the funding commitment before construction starts, and naturally current users don’t want to pay for infrastructure to be built in 5year to allow their competition to enter the market. But I digress I do think APAM and BAC have been workigto entice new market entrants with sharp pricing etc- AC,LA,JL

Wasn’t the noise levey, the old Ansett levey That never disappeared?

smi0006 wrote:

MooLor wrote:

getluv wrote:

Airfares ex-MEL are always cheaper compared to ex-SYD.

Cheaper than BNE/ADL etc. on these sale fares too.

SYD has higher airport fees and probably still the fed govt 'noise reduction levy' or some BS, so yes airfares are almost always a tad higher. But I'm talking MEL fares ~20% cheaper on the same airline to the same destination on already heavily discounted sale fares. Even ex-SYD the prices are amazing, ex-MEL they are crazy.

SYD airport fees... That's a whole other topic. A hangover from the national-hub days? With other privatised airports also now "bursting at the seams" you have to wonder when they will begin maximising their revenues. And what is stopping them?

I think as regulated monopolies the ACCC would stop them, they use a complex formula to work back a reasonable profit, then what can be charged for it. Tricky part is building the infrastructure, as airports want the funding commitment before construction starts, and naturally current users don’t want to pay for infrastructure to be built in 5year to allow their competition to enter the market. But I digress I do think APAM and BAC have been workigto entice new market entrants with sharp pricing etc- AC,LA,JL

Wasn’t the noise levey, the old Ansett levey That never disappeared?

There was a noise levy when the third runway was built / opened. The politics of the time - aircraft noise was a hot political issue, my fuzzy memory suggests it may have changed the outcome of a state election. Certainly the 'no aircraft noise' party was prominent. I believe politicians' memories of that time have a lot to do with the current static curfew / movement cap situations.

The noise levy was removed a long time ago, the timing of which would be about right for it to have morphed into an Ansett levy. ( LOL, can you imagine the uproar from certain areas if an "Air Sydney" levy were introduced. )

ADL also had a noise levy, I don't know the circumstance of that one.

I don't believe there are any current SYD levies, so the higher charges are just that. Because SACL can. Will be interesting to see whether those charges fall in line with other airports in the lead up to SWZ's opening.

Your point re "entice new entrants" is what I was getting at - when does that cease due to over-congestion? BNE does not have a problem as their new infrastructure comes online, they will be the rising star of Australian aviation IMHO. But MEL sounds like a bit of a rabbit warren and are many years away from a third runway.

Singapore Airlines brand new a380 9V-SKU is due to arrive in Sydney as SQ221 Tuesday morning. Scheduled to depart as sq232 @ 12.15 pm.

MF started HGH-MEL over the weekend

http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/1 ... top-route/

REX will stop flying to Taree effective 27 Jan 18 after the local council refused to supply a three phase power outlet to the airport apron

https://blueswandaily.com/rex-to-suspen ... rovements/

qf789 wrote:

REX will stop flying to Taree effective 27 Jan 18 after the local council refused to supply a three phase power outlet to the airport apron

https://blueswandaily.com/rex-to-suspen ... rovements/

Seems like there has got to be more to this story but still interesting. The service was SYD-NTL-TRO anyway so can't imagine it was super popular...

TG465 BKK-MEL is being operated by A333 today. It was also operated by A333 yesterday and Saturday

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/tg465

qf789 wrote:

TG465 BKK-MEL is being operated by A333 today. It was also operated by A333 yesterday and Saturday

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/tg465

They overscheduled A350 flights (when I checked during the first time they sent A333 down here, all A350s were tied up to other flights especially to Europe). On the second day, or last Sunday, they had one A350 ATB'd to BKK, incidentally when flying TG465 to MEL. HS-THH was the bird that turned around. I think we'll more likely see more A333 services to MEL for the next few days.

MIchael

qf789 wrote:

REX will stop flying to Taree effective 27 Jan 18 after the local council refused to supply a three phase power outlet to the airport apron

https://blueswandaily.com/rex-to-suspen ... rovements/

With Rex wrapping it up fly pelican from will commence direct Sydney - Taree on 28th January https://www.instagram.com/p/Bc3TaWpD2Gc/

decry wrote:

qf789 wrote:

REX will stop flying to Taree effective 27 Jan 18 after the local council refused to supply a three phase power outlet to the airport apron

https://blueswandaily.com/rex-to-suspen ... rovements/

With Rex wrapping it up fly pelican from will commence direct Sydney - Taree on 28th January https://www.instagram.com/p/Bc3TaWpD2Gc/

Oh well that's potentially better anyway as it offers non-stop to SYD (vs via NTL)... however that will depend on the schedule.

Looks like storms created major delays in Melbourne tonight, flights leaving with delays up to 1 hour+ SQ308 shd 19.25 act 20.32 both QF & Virgin had similar delays
AN767

In todays cabinet reshuffle Barnaby Joyce will replace Daren Chester as minister responsible for aviation matters

http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/1 ... -aviation/

Anyone heard any more about the ex JQ birds coming to WA ?

This may be a little old now but QF leads in on-time performance for October.

On Time Arrivals & Cancellation Rate
Qantas 83.1% / 2.0%
Qantaslink 79.8% / 4.7%
Qantas Overall 81.4% / 3.4%

Virgin Australia 79.5% / 1.6%
VA Regional 80.2% / 4.0%
Virgin Overall 79.5% / 1.7%

Jetstar 77.1% / 0.7%
Tigerair 67.4% / 1.9%

Overall, I think the difference between VA/QF is negligible - you are fractionally more likely to have your QF flight leave on time but also fractionally more likely to have it cancelled. I think the real interesting figure is JQ vs TT - a 10% difference is significant and only 67.4% on time is very low by Australian industry standards (from my experience). JQ has the lowest cancellation rate in the industry and an on time figure not far off VA/QF - makes it a lot more attractive for business/higher yielding passengers travelling on routes that QF doesnt serve or serves infrequently (e.g. OOL-SYD/MEL). TT's on time arrival was above 90% for a short period in 2016... shame that they have slipped so significantly

Source: https://bitre.gov.au/publications/ongoi ... r_2017.pdf

VH-ZNC has rolled out of paint



https://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/943300833147367424

Interesting QF has twice the cancellation rates than VA..

downdata wrote:

Interesting QF has twice the cancellation rates than VA..

That’s because QantasLink is much larger than VARA. Look at the figures, the differences between QF v VA and QFLink v VARA are not statistically significant, but QantasLink fly more flights which skews the data overall.

Virgin delays launch of paid WIFI until Feb 18

https://www.ausbt.com.au/virgin-austral ... ource=hero

RyanairGuru wrote:

downdata wrote:

Interesting QF has twice the cancellation rates than VA..

That’s because QantasLink is much larger than VARA. Look at the figures, the differences between QF v VA and QFLink v VARA are not statistically significant, but QantasLink fly more flights which skews the data overall.

I can't say I understand your point given QFLink is not directly comparable to VARA. VARA is very small and basically only operates WA Regional flights (with few exceptions)... They do not fly any routes between capital cities (except ADL-PER) and do not operate the ATR fleet. This is opposed to QFLink which operates a wide regional network and are a very integrated part of QF's capital city domestic network. There are also many routes with both QF and QFLink services or where QFLink flies 717/Dash 8 against VA's 737/E190 fleet.

Taking from the stats, a few key routes that VA (mainline) competes against QFLink (with or without QF mainline) with:

Adelaide to Brisbane / No. of Flights / No. of Flight Cancelld / % Cancelled
QF / 100 / 0 / 0%
QFLink / 32 / 4 / 12.5%
QF Total / 132 / 4 / 3.03%
VA / 108 / 2 / 1.9%

Brisbane to Mackay / No. of Flights / No. of Flight Cancelld / % Cancelled

QFLink / 108 / 103 / 4.6%

VA / 144 / 1 / 0.7%

So the point of whether they are QFLink or QF mainline or not doesn't matter - your flight is still more likely to be cancelled if it's operated by QF than VA.