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New airline to RIC??

Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:23 am

Several new outlets in Richmond are reporting an announcement of a new airline to Richmond tomorrow. We have Allegiant (added) AA, DL, SW, Jet Blue, One Jet, United. Any insights??? Air Canada has been on again off again over the last 20 years or so to YYZ. Frontier/Spirit--seems unlikely?

I think the best announcement would be expanded Southwest service to STL/DEN/MDW--but this is obviously not it.

Any thoughts?

Thanks

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Re: New airline to RIC??

Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:28 am

According to the RIC website, they are showing G4 for Orlando and Tampa, not sure if that's new or not, but you didn't put them in your list.
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Re: New airline to RIC??

Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:32 am

Thanks VS4ever--i knew i was leaving someone out. Allegiant has been here for a few years--my bad on the omission (since updated) Also served JAX for a bit.
 
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Re: New airline to RIC??

Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:05 am

Its probably NK since they are on a roll lately
 
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Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:12 am

 
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Re: New airline to RIC??

Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:22 am

NK is supposed to announce another new airport soon so it might make sense.
 
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Re: New airline to RIC??

Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:04 am

I'd put my money on Spirit. If it is Spirit, then that will confirm my theory of them targeting the smaller markets first, before the bigger ones.

For example: NK chose CAK and CMH over IND and STL at this point of time.
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Re: New airline to RIC??

Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:59 pm

I’m guessing it’s either F9 or NK. The news article mentions multiple destinations. I assume we will see MCO, TPA, RSW, DEN, LAS, and maybe MIA if it’s Frontier and if it’s Spirit than switch MIA with FLL and drop DEN.
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Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:12 pm

FLYKTPA wrote:
I’m guessing it’s either F9 or NK. The news article mentions multiple destinations. I assume we will see MCO, TPA, RSW, DEN, LAS, and maybe MIA if it’s Frontier and if it’s Spirit than switch MIA with FLL and drop DEN.


Usually F9 doesn't add stuff until its schedule extension time. NK tends to add things into their existing schedule. At least from what i've seen. Time will tell.
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Re: New airline to RIC??

Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:14 pm

I had heard a rumor a little while back about southern air express growing and I think RIC was a city I heard, not as big of a splash as an F9 or NK but a few regional destinations with then could also be in the mix
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Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:26 pm

RL757PVD wrote:
I had heard a rumor a little while back about southern air express growing and I think RIC was a city I heard, not as big of a splash as an F9 or NK but a few regional destinations with then could also be in the mix

I hope it’s not Southren air. IMO that’s not something to get very excited about. I hope it’s Spirit.
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Re: New airline to RIC??

Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:27 pm

FLYKTPA wrote:
I’m guessing it’s either F9 or NK. The news article mentions multiple destinations. I assume we will see MCO, TPA, RSW, DEN, LAS, and maybe MIA if it’s Frontier and if it’s Spirit than switch MIA with FLL and drop DEN.

This is what I mentioned in the DC/VA/MD thread last night. I feel that Frontier is potentially more likely, but Spirit would also make sense. I could see Frontier going to Denver, or Spirit to Florida and maybe something like DFW or LAS. I'm certainly hoping for something west of the Rockies — United has proven RIC can sustainably support a western flight, so I would love to see some follow on adds.

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Re: New airline to RIC??

Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:29 pm

The article now includes a link to watch the announcement live: http://m.nbc12.com/story/36833163/ric-t ... on-tuesday
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Re: New airline to RIC??

Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:38 pm

Just watch it be AC to YYZ (again).
 
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Re: New airline to RIC??

Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:59 pm

I hope it is WOWair or Spirit.
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Re: New airline to RIC??

Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:07 pm

NK to FLL and MCO!
 
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Re: New airline to RIC??

Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:09 pm

The new airline is Spirit! Starts March 15th.
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Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:17 pm

Spirit to FLL and MCO starting 15 March.
 
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Re: New airline to RIC??

Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:20 pm

Spirit announcing Ft. Lauderdale and Orlando!
 
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Re: New airline to RIC??

Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:27 pm

This airport definitely stayed way on the back burner for me, this is completely unexpected and frankly I’m surprised.
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Re: New airline to RIC??

Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:29 pm

flymco753 wrote:
This airport definitely stayed way on the back burner for me, this is completely unexpected and frankly I’m surprised.

It's a cool city actually. If you want to take an overnight or day trip on a cheap fare you should visit.
 
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Re: New airline to RIC??

Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:32 pm

Good for RIC! They should do well on this route. FLL and MCO are very popular for Richmonders.
 
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Re: New airline to RIC??

Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:32 pm

RIC is a pretty high fare airport with a very small LCC presence, so NK should do well there. They have pretty easy connections to MSY through FLL - hopefully we'll see a couple weekly nonstops added eventually.
 
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Re: New airline to RIC??

Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:12 pm

Shoot. Would have been nice to have F9 add DEN to give United some competition. Flying my family of four to DEN and back the week after Christmas set me back $3100, and the flights were only 50% booked when I made the reservation. There are definitely cheaper options, but with an infant along for the ride, non-stop was a must. Hoping Southwest will add a nonstop to DEN one day soon.
 
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Re: New airline to RIC??

Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:36 pm

msycajun wrote:
RIC is a pretty high fare airport with a very small LCC presence, so NK should do well there. They have pretty easy connections to MSY through FLL - hopefully we'll see a couple weekly nonstops added eventually.

RIC hasn't really been that way in a pretty long time. That certainly used to be the case — 15 years ago, it was one of the most expensive airports in the nation. When AirTran started service around 2005, that changed things significantly. JetBlue starting flights not long after helped as well. The Southwest merger reduced the pretty sizable AirTran operation, but JetBlue has grown over the years, and Allegiant started service a couple of years ago too. Spirit will go a long way towards bringing Florida fares down the way AirTran did, so it's undoubtedly a good thing for the city.
 
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Re: New airline to RIC??

Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:52 pm

Will Spirit disrupt JetBlue's presence on RIC-MCO? JetBlue flies 2x daily but on E190 and I can't tell if it is accustomed to sell a one-way below $100 on the route. It might be subject to a much downward faring pressure from Spirit. Southwest tried RIC-MCO and then it was Southwest that pulled service, while JetBlue lasted, so I'm wary if all will co-exist will this time.
 
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Re: New airline to RIC??

Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:29 pm

Great news for Richmond and this frankly shows the stupidity of WN. WN took over the MCO route form Air Tran and then abandoned it although WN said it was profitable for them.

Since then Jet Blue has taken over the route and made a tidy profit.....and now Spirit. WN has screwed over the Richmond market. To hell with them imho. Now we are getting some carriers who understand the market and are willing to take a little risk.
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Re: New airline to RIC??

Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:00 pm

ElroyJetson wrote:
Great news for Richmond and this frankly shows the stupidity of WN. WN took over the MCO route form Air Tran and then abandoned it although WN said it was profitable for them.

:checkmark: :checkmark: :checkmark:

Anyone who lived in Richmond ten years ago remembers what a great little operation AirTran ran out of RIC. I realize that Southwest was short on airplanes when they dumped the B712 fleet, but they gave up a very successful operation when they pared down to the ATL flight. Southwest never had brand loyalty in the Richmond area despite having served ORF for many years, and I can't imagine they'd expand on that with one lonely route. Definitely a shame.
 
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Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:17 pm

This makes more sense that starting something like IAD. Smart add by NK.
 
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Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:33 pm

atcsundevil wrote:
ElroyJetson wrote:
Great news for Richmond and this frankly shows the stupidity of WN. WN took over the MCO route form Air Tran and then abandoned it although WN said it was profitable for them.

:checkmark: :checkmark: :checkmark:

Anyone who lived in Richmond ten years ago remembers what a great little operation AirTran ran out of RIC. I realize that Southwest was short on airplanes when they dumped the B712 fleet, but they gave up a very successful operation when they pared down to the ATL flight. Southwest never had brand loyalty in the Richmond area despite having served ORF for many years, and I can't imagine they'd expand on that with one lonely route. Definitely a shame.


As a former resident of Glen Allen, I remember it well. I always thought Delta could have stepped into the void.
 
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Re: New airline to RIC??

Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:05 pm

ElroyJetson wrote:
Great news for Richmond and this frankly shows the stupidity of WN. WN took over the MCO route form Air Tran and then abandoned it although WN said it was profitable for them.

Since then Jet Blue has taken over the route and made a tidy profit.....and now Spirit. WN has screwed over the Richmond market. To hell with them imho. Now we are getting some carriers who understand the market and are willing to take a little risk.


Interesting perspective.

From what I understand, when WN took over the FL operation, they wanted to streamline the operation into what WN operated with, this meant cutting routes where there was no availability for catering/non catering stations with few flights, and hence a number of flights from RIC were cut with the intention to later look at the options from there, hence why RIC still receives 3x daily flights but only from ATL which is very odd.

It's no argument that WN dropped the ball with RIC, I'm not a big fan of NK, but I'm happy to see them jump in and stimulate the RIC market, even if it's only Florida flying. I'm guessing within a year we'll see a number of new destinations from RIC.
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Re: New airline to RIC??

Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:49 pm

I really think....based on UA's success on the RIC-DEN route.....that Frontier could be successful flying the same route. If you are flying UA and connecting to the west coast through Denver from Richmond, fares are reasonable. But point to point UA is charging a premium because it is the only nonstop service.

Hopefully Spirit will expand it's service as time goes on and RIC can add Frontier. All in all a good day for the Richmond market.
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