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Re: What distance is too short for a plane but too far by car?

Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:56 pm

Manchester to Islamabad.
7hr 35m flight versus 94 hour drive more like 130+hrs with stopovers.
 
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Re: What distance is too short for a plane but too far by car?

Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:03 pm

Yflyer wrote:
Mythbusters once did a race to answer the question of whether it's faster to fly or drive for a journey of around 400 miles. Both teams left the studio in San Francisco at the same time. Tory drove to the airport, while Grant and Kari started driving to the finish line in Los Angeles. By flying Tory beat them there, but only by 10 minutes. For all intents and purposes that's a tie, since the outcome could have changed if Tory's flight had been only slightly delayed, or if Grant and Kari had gotten more favorable traffic.


Top Gear frequently run the same charade. The task is conveniently arranged so that the competing teams (usually Public transport vs the latest Ferrari supercar) arrive at the final destination at nearly the same time. Just to keep the viewers in suspense. Not me!

You alluded to issues that might affect the outcome on Mythbusters, but the primary issue is "what if the start point was 5 miles south?" (or East or West)
Suddenly the journey to SFO is an extra 5 miles, but the drive to LA is 5 miles shorter.
Simply selecting a different start point (and/or end point) dramatically alters the equation.

I cannot believe that I am stating such an obvious thing, and yet millions seem fooled by this concept. :(
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Re: What distance is too short for a plane but too far by car?

Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:43 pm

Seattle to Portland is 175 miles, and there are a number of traffic problems throughout the route. About 2 hours and 45 minutes no traffic. The train takes about 4 hours, and sometime before the end of the year there will be 6 instead of 4 daily round trips. This trip at that point should be around 10 minutes faster and more reliable, although a lot less scenic as the Nisqually to Tacoma leg is moving inland.
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Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:43 pm

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Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:45 pm

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Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:29 pm

As long as you don't have to cross water, there is literally no limit to what you can drive if you're crazy enough. I once circumnavigated the US in my Volvo 760, putting 10,000 miles on it in 3 weeks. There's a very funny travel book called Sean and Dave's Long Drive about 2 guys who circumnavigated Australia - totally unprepared. I've read of people driving the Alaska Highway up to Fairbanks. I confess always wanting to rent a sturdy 4x4 and do that, but I was never dumb enough and got to Alaska on a cruise ship. The great travel writer Tim Cahill (I've read all of his books) drove from Tierra del Fuego to Alaska in 24 days and wrote Road Fever about his trip. Some sections had to be done by ferry, but most of it was on the Pan-American Highway. I'm incredibly jealous! I sure do love airliners and flying, but to see a region there's nothing like driving it. I've driven in the Australian Outback dreaming of Mad Max. I've blasted across Death Valley when it was 102 F at midnight.
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Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:59 pm

DFW-OKC 3 hours by car and less than 30 minutes by plane!
 
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Sun Nov 05, 2017 12:17 am

I’m sure the reasons why the airlines dropped BDL-JFK, was the presumed waste of a slot on a very short route. But for any of you who have had to endure the Highway to Hell between the two cities can understand the beauty of excessive use of Jet A fuel.
 
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Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:32 am

Too short to fly also depends on whether you're connecting or not. Take HAJ-AMS, a 40 min flight, vs a 3.5 hour drive. I'd rather drive if I had to be in Amsterdam, but if flying onward from Amsterdam then I would rather fly, there's probably a truckload of other examples where flying makes sense if you are connecting, but not if you're traveling point to point.
 
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Re: What distance is too short for a plane but too far by car?

Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:38 pm

MANMatthew wrote:
Manchester to Islamabad.
7hr 35m flight versus 94 hour drive more like 130+hrs with stopovers.


It takes about 1450 hrs walking. You'll need mountain gear and might consider escort in the northern areas of Afghanistan.

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A ticket from Manchester (Via IST) is 400-500 bucks, In this case I would certainly consider spending the money.
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Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:43 pm

London to Leeds/Bradford or Manchester.
Both average flights times between 35-45 minutes, however driving would be significantly longer at around 4/5 hours
 
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Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:31 pm

Yellowknife NT Canada-- Hay River NT Canada :37/:41 by turboprop, 5hr 30 min by road. Previously flown by Buffalo Airways DC3.
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Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:34 pm

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Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:18 pm

I'm surprised nobody brought up the Houston - DFW dilemma.

3.5 - 5 hrs driving depending on traffic on I-45. About the same time on Megabus/Greyhound too!
About 1hr flight time. There are two airports in both metro areas that serves different parts of the metroplexes. (HOU and IAH for south and north Houston and DFW and DAL for Ft Worth and Dallas areas).

Do y'all drive or fly? Have another business trip to DFW in about 4 days coming up!

Hahaha and I just did a 8hrs nonstop HOU-OKC and back yesterday. And pondered the question a lot.
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Re: What distance is too short for a plane but too far by car?

Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:30 pm

Ignoring over-water flights, my shortest was MIA-FLL on a DL L1011. As it was a tag-on to ATL-MIA and arrived something like 0105, I imagine it was a positioning flight for an early morning departure.
 
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Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:54 pm

By the way, I think this is a fun thread, dozens of different opinions - we all tick a bit differently!
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Re: What distance is too short for a plane but too far by car?

Sun Nov 05, 2017 11:24 pm

CAL - GLA must be a contender on this as the drive between them is slow and mostly single lane roads, with a detour north before turning south, where the flight is probably 70 miles tops.
 
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Re: What distance is too short for a plane but too far by car?

Sun Nov 05, 2017 11:25 pm

sw733 wrote:
Just flew YVR-SEA on AS, on a 737-800 nonetheless. Talk about a quick flight but a long, long drive with traffic and a sometimes slow border crossing.

zkncj wrote:
AKL-WLG is 250NM which takes around 35-50 minutes in an A320 subject to wind and traffic, to drive this route it would take around 10-12hours by Car.

I fly BHE-WLG once every year or so and that's a flight that would otherwise require a darn boat but is only like 20 minutes in the air ;)

NSN-WLG is a better example
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Re: What distance is too short for a plane but too far by car?

Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:07 am

Loew wrote:

This example highlights an infrastructure problem in the northeastern part of the EU, Scandinavian countries as well as Baltic states are poorly connected to the rest of the EU, due to the Baltic sea being in the region, separating these countries effectively from the rest of the continent. Should you want a road only route between Helsinki and Talinn, that would keep you inside the EU an Schengen area, the distance rises to insane 4680 km, taking you from Estonia to Finland, via Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Germany, Denmark, and Sweden.


They are plans to link Helsinki to Tallinn by a rail tunnel, as a part of the Rail Baltica project that would connect Helsinki to Berlin. But even if shown green light the tunnel project takes 20+ years. Would be great though, the tunnel would practically create an unique twin city of two capitals.
 
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Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:37 pm

EUflyer wrote:
CAL - GLA must be a contender on this as the drive between them is slow and mostly single lane roads, with a detour north before turning south, where the flight is probably 70 miles tops.

CAL-GLA absolutely!
There must be literally three or four other people across the planet who spend all their waking hours pondering that one.
Actually, I'm probably being harsh; how many destinations are served from CAL? Is it just the one (GLA)? And how many flights a day? Expedia couldn't find any, so I guess it's just Loganair with it's Twin Otter twice a day. Pardon me, I should have said LM using it's DHT.

Hey, stay cool - I'm not having a go at you. I'm just despairing of all the obscure routings listed in this thread, all reduced to three letter IATA identifiers that only a handful of other people recognise. On this occasion I guessed it was Campbeltown, and I totally agree with you. Actually I guessed it was Campbeltown, and then double-checked it using a web-site, but I'm having to do that for fully half the posts in this thread, and it's getting to be :hissyfit:

Is there a rule here on a.net that says we absolutely have to use IATA codes in all cases?
It does a great job if the intention is to keep non-professionals like me out of the discussion. :scratchchin:
I'm sure I'm not the first person to make this observation.
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Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:53 pm

In the Balkans we have many examples.
Belgrade - Sarajevo 40min flight 5.5h drive
Belgrade - Pula 1h5min flight 8h drive
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Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:30 pm

Someone83 wrote:
There is a few examples in Norway. Scheduled flying time Kirkenes-Vadsø is 25 minutes, i.e. actual flying time is less something like 20is minutes, Driving is 3,5 hours.

Actual flying time was 9 minutes when I took this flight in March this year. And Vadsø-Kirkenes took 8 minutes.
 
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Mon Nov 06, 2017 3:28 pm

HKG-CAN: I’ve done it in 40 minutes an A330, I don’t remember how long it took to drive though, I’d assume it would take a bit more time


Direct Through Train from Hung Hom (in HK) to Guangzhou East is ~2 hrs. Cross-Border Coach Bus is about 2.5 hrs I believe. Consider that it'll take 25-30 mins (assuming you're starting at Central in HK riding MTR, longer otherwise) to go to HKG, then another 30 mins or so from CAN to city center in Guangzhou, I definitely won't put this under "Too short to fly" category (Most of the traffic on that route is connection anyway).

And a bunch of examples, especially in US, are just ridiculous. ORD-STL? DFW-IAH? Really? In comparison, HEL-ARN is similar in distance, but it takes ~12 hrs to drive between Helsinki and Stockholm. Like a few of the examples listed in this thread, though, it does involved a body of water in between them.

On the other hand, HEL-TLL still beats HEL-ARN by miles when it comes to "too short for plane but too far by car".
 
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Mon Nov 06, 2017 3:46 pm

[quote="keesje"][quote="MANMatthew"]Manchester to Islamabad.


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Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:26 pm

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This flight was insanely short, 30-40 min I believe, with half or less of that used in actual cruise flight. But by driving, the same trip is around 5 hours.


Doesn't sound any different than LGA-DCA...
 
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Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:49 pm

I'll add WAS-PIT. (all three regional airports)

Though for me, while not a big plane, I always found HGR-BWI to be amusing.
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Re: What distance is too short for a plane but too far by car?

Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:29 pm

Mangs wrote:
I've done Bergen to Stavanger in 19min airborne in a 737-800.

With a car, according to google maps, thats 5h 5min with one toll and one ferry-ride.


But how much time did you spend "door to door" if you would fly?
 
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Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:47 am

I've driven from northern NH to PHL. I figured the 1+30 drive to the airport to arrive 2 hours early, the 1 hour flight, 20-30 minutes to collect bags, another 20-30 minutes to rent a car, then 30 to drive to the hotel was near enough to the 6+30 drive to make it even, plus it only cost tolls and gas. So for me 6 hours is about the break even distance to travel. Hell, I visited Asheville, NC a few weeks ago and flew into Greenville, SC because it was $200 cheaper and only an hour drive.
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Re: What distance is too short for a plane but too far by car?

Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:57 am

So you're suggesting it's not just the time spent in the air that counts?

I've read 120 posts prior to yours that seem to take a totally different view. :cry2:

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Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:37 am

SheikhDjibouti wrote:

Folks - read what NBGSkyGod says; he's the man! :checkmark: :checkmark: :checkmark:


:rotfl: :rotfl:

On a side note, a few other one I can think of:
PEK-DLC: ~1.5 hr flight, ~10 hrs drive
TAO-DLC: ~1 hr flight, ~9 hrs drive with ferry (Although they are planning a tunnel or bridge across Bohai). Of course, if you don't like ferry, it'll be around 15-16 hours drive.

There would be TAO-ICN also if one can drive through North Korea. It's a 1.5 hr flight, but even assuming one can drive through North Korea, it'll be close to a 20 hrs drive (It's ~12 hours to Dandong).

Speaking of China there are also KMG-LJG and KMG-JHG, about a 6.5 hrs drive for both, while it's 1 hr gate-to-gate flight (So maybe 30 mins in the air). Of course, there is a reason why there are like 30 flights per day on those routes :scratchchin: :scratchchin:
 
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Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:04 pm

BB072 wrote:
Mangs wrote:
I've done Bergen to Stavanger in 19min airborne in a 737-800.

With a car, according to google maps, thats 5h 5min with one toll and one ferry-ride.


But how much time did you spend "door to door" if you would fly?


Let's say you don't check any luggage, you take the local train or bus for 30-50nok which takes a maximum of 44min if you live far away, arrive at the airport 45min before the departure and arrive at the gate just on the other side of security 30min before departure, then 30 min gate to gate and then a cab/but to where you want.

I'd say 2-4h if you are a regular flyer. Depending on how far from the airport you live, if you get a ride, and how far from the airport you're going. Lots of factors :-)
 
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Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:39 pm

When a drive is longer than 3-4 hours I start looking at flights. I fly MSP to Chicago and MKE. a few times a year. MKE is about a 5 hour drive, Chicago is about 6ish. Both are under 1 hour flights.
 
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Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:13 pm

Unless there's an accident on the highway, PHX - TUS is quicker to drive once you add check-in, security, taxiing and baggage claim to the time spent in the air.
 
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Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:28 pm

I once flew from Dumaguete to Cebu in the Philippines. The distance is only 100km, but on the bus they manage to squeeze in 5 rows across and the bus rattles along in constant traffic through small towns and villages for 5 hours, then it has to take a car ferry across to the other island. I didn't want to waste another half day sitting in extreme discomfort and high temperatures so I took the plane back - it cost me only 20$ and the flight was about 10 minutes - we got up to a height of about 10,000ft before we started descending again. Then the taxi to my hotel took another 20m and I enjoyed the 5* luxury instead of half a day of cramped misery. The shortest flight of my life and totally worth it!

Another place where you have this kind of situation is Costa Rica - there it can take 8 hours to get to the northern or southern borders which are only 100km away. Unfortunately flights are very expensive there.
 
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Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:32 pm

mattyfitzg wrote:
London to Leeds/Bradford or Manchester.
Both average flights times between 35-45 minutes, however driving would be significantly longer at around 4/5 hours


A train only takes 2h30m, but you will need to re-mortgage your house first if you want to travel on the same day.
 
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Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:24 pm

catiii wrote:
FoxtrotSierra wrote:
This flight was insanely short, 30-40 min I believe, with half or less of that used in actual cruise flight. But by driving, the same trip is around 5 hours.


Doesn't sound any different than LGA-DCA...


Make the correct comparison, door-to-door Central Park to 1600 Penn and I can pretty much guarantee driving will be close or shorter time.

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Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:38 pm

You will upset the Greens with all this talk of flying these very short distances.

They would much rather (UK) we all spend £36+ Billion on a new High Speed Rail line (HS2), so the few that can afford it (top 2%) leave their cars at home. It will also take 15 years to build phase one. Probably 25 years to reach Manchester and beyond.

How much greener flying looks than that.
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Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:23 pm

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
catiii wrote:
FoxtrotSierra wrote:
This flight was insanely short, 30-40 min I believe, with half or less of that used in actual cruise flight. But by driving, the same trip is around 5 hours.


Doesn't sound any different than LGA-DCA...


Make the correct comparison, door-to-door Central Park to 1600 Penn and I can pretty much guarantee driving will be close or shorter time.

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Putting aside the numerous "races" that have been done on air vs. Acela between DC and NYC, to think that a car would win or even be close is laughable. Having done all three regularly, car NEVER is close.
 
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Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:38 pm

I agree on the train, clearly the quickest, easiest. I’ve beaten air or rail travel on east coast routes many times. Home (western Mass) to DC, DOV, YUL, PHL, ILG. Combine the travel to BDL, security, waiting time (1 hour prior), collecting bags, getting rental car, final drive, it’s always a wash. I once beat the plane YUL-BDL in a car, in a snow storm! Once home to ILM, two of us left our respective homes, I drove, the other traveler went to BDL, flew to PHL, drove to ILG, I was checked in 30 minutes before him. Not to mention, by car, you leave when you’re ready, not when the flight leaves. I’ve beaten air travel by that fact alone many times.

Don’t get wrong. I’m a pilot with 13,000 hours, flying’s great, but “if you have time to spare, go by air. More time yet, go by jet.”

YMMV

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Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:52 pm

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I agree on the train, clearly the quickest, easiest. I’ve beaten air or rail travel on east coast routes many times. Home (western Mass) to DC, DOV, YUL, PHL, ILG. Combine the travel to BDL, security, waiting time (1 hour prior), collecting bags, getting rental car, final drive, it’s always a wash. I once beat the plane YUL-BDL in a car, in a snow storm! Once home to ILM, two of us left our respective homes, I drove, the other traveler went to BDL, flew to PHL, drove to ILG, I was checked in 30 minutes before him. Not to mention, by car, you leave when you’re ready, not when the flight leaves. I’ve beaten air travel by that fact alone many times.

Right now, Google says NYC to 1600 Penn is 4+15. It’s 35 minutes to LGA, 1+00 prior, 1+25 block to block, 0+25 disembark plus walk out to cab, travel to 1600 is gonna come close to the the 4+15.

Don’t get wrong. I’m a pilot with 13,000 hours, flying’s great, but “if you have time to spare, go by air. More time yet, go by jet.”

YMMV

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Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:56 pm

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Not to mention, by car, you leave when you’re ready, not when the flight leaves. I’ve beaten air travel by that fact alone many times.

Don’t get wrong. I’m a pilot with 13,000 hours, flying’s great, but “if you have time to spare, go by air. More time yet, go by jet.”

YMMV

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Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:19 pm

Without consider exotic destinations, I fly every now and then Dayton-Chicago. The flight can be as short as 42 minutes, the drive (considering traffic) can be 5 to 6 hours.
Another similar route was Zurich-Munich
 
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Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:40 pm

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I'll add WAS-PIT. (all three regional airports)

Though for me, while not a big plane, I always found HGR-BWI to be amusing.


Maybe even PIT-PHL even though it's longer by drive than PIT-WAS. AA charges over $400 for a one-way nonstop, but as it's within 500 miles, it falls under a low mileage redemption for a saver award. AA's award redemption is mileage based, and within 500 miles, PHL has a lot of nonstop destinations, moreso than DFW.

Using miles, I made the mistake of booking the 6am PIT-PHL flight. It is serviced on a A319 and often the only flight with the 7,500 mile redemption during the week. I had to stay at an airport hotel by PIT and wake up too early for that flight. I realized that could have just driven the evening before on an Alamo one way car rental (sometimes under $70), stayed at a hotel halfway and would have made out much better without messing my sleep and using my miles for that short distance.
 
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Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:54 pm

If it is only flying point-to-point versus driving, I would base it on time of driving. 3-4 hours would seem to be the equivalent of going to the airport, parking, doing the shoeless shuffle, and coming out on the other side. Though by each region is probably varies as well. In countries with poor roads or vomit inducing driving terrain, flying is a better option for sure! Also, if you are flying it's less likely you'll run into a sadistic clown.
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Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:31 pm

The United flight between RIC and IAD. 50 minutes gate to gate. In traffic can take 3 plus hours. A friend of mine dropped off his son for a flight to LAX a couple of years ago. His son made it to LAX before they got back to Richmond because of traffic. It took them over 5 hours. it is 122 miles one way and under normal conditions should only take about 2 to 2.5 hours.
 
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Re: What distance is too short for a plane but too far by car?

Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:52 pm

DCA-ORF is about 142 air miles and often takes about 30 minutes of air time (with a south departure and south landing, it can be as little as 22 to 25 minutes). Driving to places like Virginia Beach can be -awful- and I mean -awful- in Spring and Summer - 4 to 6 hours depending on conditions on I-95, I-64 and the infamous HRBT.
 
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Re: What distance is too short for a plane but too far by car?

Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:29 pm

AA's PHL-BWI route always confused me. In traffic it can take 2-3 times longer driving to BWI, waiting for your plane, and flying to Philadelphia than the drive up 95. You also practically take off right into the approach to PHL.
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Re: What distance is too short for a plane but too far by car?

Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:56 pm

BOS-PVC.... 15 minutes airborne in a Cessna 402 vs 3-4 hours in a car.
 
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Re: What distance is too short for a plane but too far by car?

Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:04 am

United used to fly to Beaumont from Houston, it seems they thought it was better to drive. ;)
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Re: What distance is too short for a plane but too far by car?

Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:52 am

bog-mde or bog-pei 8 hours by car 25 min by air
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