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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:44 am

Perth airport wins CAPA Asian airport of the year (<30 million passengers)

http://www.perthairport.com.au/Home/cor ... -year-2017
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Wed Nov 08, 2017 6:11 am

Full Privatisation on VA looks to be well and truly on the table:

http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/1 ... atisation/

In good news for VA posted an Underlying profit in the first quarter of the 2017 financial year, full results were not released but this was said

"The airline said its underlying profit before tax in the three months to September was up $18 million on the same period a year ago, when it made an underlying loss of $3.6 million."

http://www.news.com.au/finance/business ... c5a4005b47
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:26 am

log0008 wrote:
Full Privatisation on VA looks to be well and truly on the table:

http://www.news.com.au/finance/business ... c5a4005b47


It's a logical move, the free float (i.e. the % of the company not owned by EY, SQ, Nanshan, HNA and Virgin) of the company is ~10%, so it's not as if the public could readily trade large volumes anyway. Privatising will save a little bit of $ on compliance fees and will take the spotlight off VA from having to report quarterly results etc.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:48 am

log0008 wrote:
Full Privatisation on VA looks to be well and truly on the table:

http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/1 ... atisation/

In good news for VA posted an Underlying profit in the first quarter of the 2017 financial year, full results were not released but this was said

"The airline said its underlying profit before tax in the three months to September was up $18 million on the same period a year ago, when it made an underlying loss of $3.6 million."

http://www.news.com.au/finance/business ... c5a4005b47


I wonder if VA is now forecasting profits so shareholders are looking to get into VA instead of getting out of it.....
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:59 am

VA appears to be happy with its MEL - HKG service, so far.

See: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... in-442966/.

I wonder what the additional Chinese route will be, in 2018.

Cheers,

C.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:47 pm

smi0006 wrote:
ThomasCook wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:
Does anyone know which cabin crew group will work the 787? I assume QAAC was wondering if anyone could confirm?


QCCA MEL, QCCUK and eventually QAL/QCCA BNE. I believe also a domestic mixture of workgroups for MEL-PER-MEL.

ThomasCook


I think it’s all a bit more mixed now, less fleet based and more A/B pay scales;

I believe the international fleets are now split - 789/380, 744/330 & 744/330/380/738

789/380 -QCUK, QCCA and QAL who have transferred and accepted some not all QCCA conditions.

744/330 - QAL, QCCA new hires.

744/330/380/738 - Jetconnect NZ, not sure if they will be 789 trained.

So crews are mixed all over the place, I’d imagine common to have QAL/QCCA/Jetconnect or QCUK all on the same aircraft.

JC are supposed to be doing the 789 also. Now that QF is operating WB once again to AKL there is no need for them to be 738 trained any more (which was only done as a $$ issue - better to have crew operate than pax and frees up seats).
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:57 pm

Wow we’re really in an australian aviation news downturn right now
Long live the queen of the skies

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:39 am

Cebu Pacific looks set to launch MNL - MEL in the next year - a CEO adviser said that:

"the Australia-Philippines is a more balanced market, " ... "Australia is working well because it is selling well on both ends."

"Australia is doing really well for us. We’ve grown the Manila-Sydney market phenomenally. We are the number one player in terms of passenger traffic on Manila-Sydney."

This comes as, of Australia's top 15 tourism markets, the Philippines is growing the fastest.

See: https://blueswandaily.com/cebu-pacific- ... melbourne/.

Outside of SYD and MEL, I question how much Cebu Pacific can expand in the region - its A330s are configured densely, and may be hard to fill out of AKL, BNE or PER.

HM7 wrote:
Wow we’re really in an australian aviation news downturn right now

The news is still there - it is more that, AFAIK, this forum is supposed to be about analysis and opinions, rather than pure news.

Cheers,

C.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:02 am

HM7 wrote:
Wow we’re really in an australian aviation news downturn right now


A bit of that has to do with the time of year, with peak season its more about new routes starting than announcements - you'll find most announcements are made mid-year for peak season.



planemanofnz wrote:
Cebu Pacific looks set to launch MNL - MEL in the next year - a CEO adviser said that:

"the Australia-Philippines is a more balanced market, " ... "Australia is working well because it is selling well on both ends."

"Australia is doing really well for us. We’ve grown the Manila-Sydney market phenomenally. We are the number one player in terms of passenger traffic on Manila-Sydney."

This comes as, of Australia's top 15 tourism markets, the Philippines is growing the fastest.

See: https://blueswandaily.com/cebu-pacific- ... melbourne/.

Outside of SYD and MEL, I question how much Cebu Pacific can expand in the region - its A330s are configured densely, and may be hard to fill out of AKL, BNE or PER.

HM7 wrote:
Wow we’re really in an australian aviation news downturn right now

The news is still there - it is more that, AFAIK, this forum is supposed to be about analysis and opinions, rather than pure news.

Cheers,

C.


Let those rumors continue - they have planned to come next year for the last 3 years.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:23 am

log0008 wrote:
A bit of that has to do with the time of year, with peak season its more about new routes starting than announcements - you'll find most announcements are made mid-year for peak season.

Perhaps that is a factor, but nevertheless, there is actually a lot of news - we cannot post all about these news items on here, without giving opinions.

Nevertheless, here are just some recent developments in Australian aviation this week (with my opinions, to avoid the post being deleted by the moderators):

- FJ and QF are extending their code-share partnership - IMO, this may lay the platform for FJ to open new routes to Australia, like NAN - PER
- Officials from DZ are in DRW this week, planning for a direct SZX - DRW flight - I query whether there is sufficient potential for such a route
- In QLD, the LNP has said that it will incentivize international flights to regional QLD, particularly from New Zealand - IMO, NZ may look at TSV
- The WA government wants to incentivize flights from PER to India, and is working on a strategy for such - I query whether such a service is viable
- VA is enhancing its product offering across the Pacific, by providing in-flight internet - IMO, this is necessary, as airlines like DL already offer this
- The photographer who breached VA's security at SYD recently has been banned by VA - I query whether this is a sufficient deterrent (more must be done)

See:
- http://aviationtribune.com/airlines/pac ... nt-qantas/.
- http://www.ntnews.com.au/business/dongh ... c40f3e8bf8.
- https://www.dailymercury.com.au/news/ln ... a/3259605/.
- http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/eco ... 942673.ece.
- https://www.channelnews.com.au/virgin-t ... ts-to-usa/.
- http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-up ... 41035e1f69.

Cheers,

C.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:41 am

HM7 wrote:
Wow we’re really in an australian aviation news downturn right now


I said this about 2-3 years ago. Once QF got itself sorted out post EK/DXB and stemmed the bloodletting on the route profitability maps, the industry issues suddenly got a lot less interesting. This is probably why my post count hasn't risen as much recently as it did a couple of years ago.

Still interesting things happening, but QF making profit takes away a great conversation we love to have!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Fri Nov 10, 2017 5:08 am

RE QUOTE from above

" In QLD, the LNP has said that it will incentivize international flights to regional QLD, particularly from New Zealand - IMO, NZ may look at TSV"

think Toowoomba Wellcamp might soon have NZL flights if there's a financial incentive. The airport owners want international flights & NZL is obvious choice. Doesn't need to start with more than 1 or 2 a week.

+ HTI has had some international flights. Remember seeing a photo at HTI of a Condor aircraft which landed at HTI. Must have been on a round the world tour. From memory, think it was a B757.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Fri Nov 10, 2017 5:18 am

log0008 wrote:
HM7 wrote:
Wow we’re really in an australian aviation news downturn right now


A bit of that has to do with the time of year, with peak season its more about new routes starting than announcements - you'll find most announcements are made mid-year for peak season.



planemanofnz wrote:
Cebu Pacific looks set to launch MNL - MEL in the next year - a CEO adviser said that:

"the Australia-Philippines is a more balanced market, " ... "Australia is working well because it is selling well on both ends."

"Australia is doing really well for us. We’ve grown the Manila-Sydney market phenomenally. We are the number one player in terms of passenger traffic on Manila-Sydney."

This comes as, of Australia's top 15 tourism markets, the Philippines is growing the fastest.

See: https://blueswandaily.com/cebu-pacific- ... melbourne/.

Outside of SYD and MEL, I question how much Cebu Pacific can expand in the region - its A330s are configured densely, and may be hard to fill out of AKL, BNE or PER.

HM7 wrote:
Wow we’re really in an australian aviation news downturn right now

The news is still there - it is more that, AFAIK, this forum is supposed to be about analysis and opinions, rather than pure news.

Cheers,

C.


Let those rumors continue - they have planned to come next year for the last 3 years.

if 5J can do daily flights MNL/SYD in peak season with a 436 seater, they can easily fill 2-4 flights a week MNL/BNE or MNL/OOL.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:17 am

planemanofnz wrote:
log0008 wrote:
A bit of that has to do with the time of year, with peak season its more about new routes starting than announcements - you'll find most announcements are made mid-year for peak season.

Perhaps that is a factor, but nevertheless, there is actually a lot of news - we cannot post all about these news items on here, without giving opinions.

Nevertheless, here are just some recent developments in Australian aviation this week (with my opinions, to avoid the post being deleted by the moderators):

- FJ and QF are extending their code-share partnership - IMO, this may lay the platform for FJ to open new routes to Australia, like NAN - PER
- Officials from DZ are in DRW this week, planning for a direct SZX - DRW flight - I query whether there is sufficient potential for such a route
- In QLD, the LNP has said that it will incentivize international flights to regional QLD, particularly from New Zealand - IMO, NZ may look at TSV
- The WA government wants to incentivize flights from PER to India, and is working on a strategy for such - I query whether such a service is viable
- VA is enhancing its product offering across the Pacific, by providing in-flight internet - IMO, this is necessary, as airlines like DL already offer this
- The photographer who breached VA's security at SYD recently has been banned by VA - I query whether this is a sufficient deterrent (more must be done)

See:
- http://aviationtribune.com/airlines/pac ... nt-qantas/.
- ]http://www.ntnews.com.au/business/donghai-airlines-in-talks-with-territory-government-as-china-flights-plan-firms/news-story/a482b6cd89b9df15187789c40f3e8bf8.
[/u][/u][/b]- https://www.dailymercury.com.au/news/ln ... a/3259605/.
- http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/eco ... 942673.ece.
- https://www.channelnews.com.au/virgin-t ... ts-to-usa/.
- http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-up ... 41035e1f69.

Cheers,

C.

Re the China Darwin flights, cant reallly see them happening,Outbound market may well be very cose to zero, its not as if there is a lot for a Chinese visitor to do in Darwin , the only way i can see it working is a tie up with VA and fly them south. This then leads to poor loads on return unless pax are routed back through Darwin. I say almosst zero outbound as your average terrotorian thinks an overseas trip resolves purley around going to Bali
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:23 am

An767 wrote:
Re the China Darwin flights, cant reallly see them happening,Outbound market may well be very cose to zero, its not as if there is a lot for a Chinese visitor to do in Darwin , the only way i can see it working is a tie up with VA and fly them south. This then leads to poor loads on return unless pax are routed back through Darwin. I say almosst zero outbound as your average terrotorian thinks an overseas trip resolves purley around going to Bali

:checkmark:

IMHO, a service to CAN or HKG would be better, as DRW-based customers could use such a service to connect to China, Europe and North America too.

Cheers,

C.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:55 am

Anyone know why QF117 was cannecelled today? Wouldn't have anything to do with QF spreading their 747 fleet too thin would it?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:00 am

USAOZ wrote:
RE QUOTE from above

think Toowoomba Wellcamp might soon have NZL flights if there's a financial incentive. The airport owners want international flights & NZL is obvious choice. Doesn't need to start with more than 1 or 2 a week.


Does WTB really need an service to New Zealand? OOL,BNE,MCY all currently have services to AKL and is currently pretty well serving the Brisbane and Surrounds.

Maybe an route for TT? and to HLZ rather than AKL and target the bogan lcc traffic? JQ doesn't even do AKL-BNE.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Sat Nov 11, 2017 7:47 am

zkncj wrote:
USAOZ wrote:
RE QUOTE from above

think Toowoomba Wellcamp might soon have NZL flights if there's a financial incentive. The airport owners want international flights & NZL is obvious choice. Doesn't need to start with more than 1 or 2 a week.


Does WTB really need an service to New Zealand? OOL,BNE,MCY all currently have services to AKL and is currently pretty well serving the Brisbane and Surrounds.

Maybe an route for TT? and to HLZ rather than AKL and target the bogan lcc traffic? JQ doesn't even do AKL-BNE.
toowoomba people don't want to drive to bne or ool + few people west of toowoomba

Population of toowoomba is only slightly less than vns
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:00 pm

QR is again claiming that it is considering de-tagging CBR and making it a non-stop flight, in the future.

He said "time would show" if the route would be made direct to Doha.

See: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-new ... zilii.html.

This is a marketing ploy - the only reason for QR's CBR flight is for extra SYD rights. If CBR does in fact do amazingly well (which I doubt that it will), QR may re-jig its operations, so that there is a non-stop DOH - CBR flight (say, 2-3x weekly, on a 788), and then a DOH - SYD - HBA / OOL flight (daily, on a 77W).

I also wonder if QR would be interested in splitting its second daily SYD service - flying DOH - SYD - CBR 4x weekly, and DOH - SYD - HBA / OOL 3x weekly.

After all, QR is all about dots on maps.

Cheers,

C.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:41 pm

planemanofnz wrote:
QR is again claiming that it is considering de-tagging CBR and making it a non-stop flight, in the future.

He said "time would show" if the route would be made direct to Doha.

See: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-new ... zilii.html.

This is a marketing ploy - the only reason for QR's CBR flight is for extra SYD rights. If CBR does in fact do amazingly well (which I doubt that it will), QR may re-jig its operations, so that there is a non-stop DOH - CBR flight (say, 2-3x weekly, on a 788), and then a DOH - SYD - HBA / OOL flight (daily, on a 77W).

I also wonder if QR would be interested in splitting its second daily SYD service - flying DOH - SYD - CBR 4x weekly, and DOH - SYD - HBA / OOL 3x weekly.

After all, QR is all about dots on maps.

Cheers,

C.


As a born and bred Canberran, I do wish this route goes well, however I agree that this is a ploy to get a second daily into the Sydney Market.
At the very least I was hoping for at least outbound direct (ie DOH-SYD-CBR-DOH) but with the timings they had there would be a long stop in CBR for SYD pax.
The problem for CBR is that outside of peak periods ~250 seats is a challenge to fill.
The thing I like about this service is that its pricing is common rated with SYD which should help the price conscious market through to Europe.

Perhaps EK could do it with a 77L due to the relationship with QF, but they would be more focused on putting these pax on their services via SYD/MEL/PER

As a side note- I saw an article on the issue of Cancellations at CBR and apparantley QF has released a revised schedule
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/qantas-adjusts-domestic-flights-to-improve-canberra-reliability-20171106-gzfkhc.html

Does anybody have any info on what actually changed?
"These include consolidating flights during non-peak times to free up aircraft and putting larger aircraft on key routes to maintain capacity" is the closest the article gets.

All I can see is the afternoon bank seems to have one less flight ( i seem to remember a 1440 departure thats now gone) and I don't recall there being 2 jets morning and evening; there used to be only one ( with the odd upgauge when parliament was sitting)
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:53 pm

smi0006 wrote:
Has anyone flown on the QF789 yet? Be keen to hear reviews on a normal standard flight not a delivery flight. When is from two due?


Yes I did QF422 on the 11th in economy. To be honest.... meh.

J class looks veeeeeery mediocre. I mean, I get understated and all but for your premium product you'd think you'd have a splash of the luxurious. Admittedly just a cabin walk through but from a quick perve, very utilitarian. Makes the Etihad J class looks magnificent in comparison and I'd kinda expected something comparable given the hype.

Y+ looks good though and I'd suggest an absolute minimum for the Perth-London flight, because....

Y is tight! Legroom is good though but the seat width and armrests - I can't imagine that on an 18 hour sector. Which is weird because I flew NZ on their 789 recently for EZE-AKL and I didn't notice the seat width at all. On the plus side the new entertainment screens are huge and the tile display system and selection is fantastic with only a gentle touch needed to select. Though there were a few navigation niggles like no immediate homescreen button and I got lost down an IFE cul-de-sac on more than one occasion. Seats were pretty standard in comfort but had excellent head rests and neck support.

Very smooth flight and landing too.

So worth the hype? Well, no. But I'm a sucker for IFE and decent legroom (6'3 here). But if I have a choice I'll take a roomier option for longer flights.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:06 pm

^ Ah, I've been looking forward to some QF 789 feedback.

Interesting your thoughts comparing QF's Y to NZ's. Was there something noticeably different, aisle width, location in cabin, passenger clothing (cold weather Vs warm), etc.? I suppose if seat width wasn't noticeably tight on NZ you were not looking for why.

QF's 789 Y sounds like EK's 77W from what you have said - generous legroom, tight seat width, distract 'em with brilliant IFE.

Headrests sound good, and will be needed. I flew QR A380 recently in Y and could not get comfortable enough to sleep well. Seat was plenty roomy, headrest was just not right.

QF 789 J. Interesting. I wonder how that will play out. The only recent experience I have with J pax is thru their website comments, where many come across as, ahem, status concious. But I assume the majority travel on someone else's coin, and have limited choice of airline.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:37 pm

Actually a little ol search down the memory banks and I realise that of my dozen or so 787 flights, this one on QF was the only one in a window seat - the rest all aisle (partly why I'm such a fan of the 787 windows... you don't need to be sitting at one to get a view).

So in terms of perception of space that likely impacts it, as I doubt the seat dimensions are all that different from other airlines. But thinking of it from an ultra longhaul option, I can just imagine the misery of an 18 hour leg with an even slightly larger neighbour nestled up beside... and on... you. Lucifer's armpit scenario, right there.

And perhaps J is better than my quick squiz. I'm sure someone else who has actually sat in it can elaborate. I travel QF so rarely these days I've lost status and upgrades.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:44 pm

aerokiwi wrote:
And perhaps J is better than my quick squiz. I'm sure someone else who has actually sat in it can elaborate. I travel QF so rarely these days I've lost status and upgrades.

Although admittedly I haven't been onto the QF 789's J, I've been to the 330's which I found is one of the top notch in the industry. I can only guess the 789 one is even better.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:47 pm

USAOZ wrote:
zkncj wrote:
USAOZ wrote:
RE QUOTE from above

think Toowoomba Wellcamp might soon have NZL flights if there's a financial incentive. The airport owners want international flights & NZL is obvious choice. Doesn't need to start with more than 1 or 2 a week.


Does WTB really need an service to New Zealand? OOL,BNE,MCY all currently have services to AKL and is currently pretty well serving the Brisbane and Surrounds.

Maybe an route for TT? and to HLZ rather than AKL and target the bogan lcc traffic? JQ doesn't even do AKL-BNE.
toowoomba people don't want to drive to bne or ool + few people west of toowoomba

Population of toowoomba is only slightly less than vns

typo CNS not vns
 
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Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:18 am

USAOZ wrote:
zkncj wrote:
USAOZ wrote:
RE QUOTE from above

think Toowoomba Wellcamp might soon have NZL flights if there's a financial incentive. The airport owners want international flights & NZL is obvious choice. Doesn't need to start with more than 1 or 2 a week.


Does WTB really need an service to New Zealand? OOL,BNE,MCY all currently have services to AKL and is currently pretty well serving the Brisbane and Surrounds.

Maybe an route for TT? and to HLZ rather than AKL and target the bogan lcc traffic? JQ doesn't even do AKL-BNE.
toowoomba people don't want to drive to bne or ool + few people west of toowoomba

Population of toowoomba is only slightly less than vns


Wouldn't have thought there was much demand for Toowoomba to New Zealand, most of the traffic is New Zealand to South East Queensland
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:54 am

USAOZ wrote:
think Toowoomba Wellcamp might soon have NZL flights if there's a financial incentives

Did you read the articles? The LNP proposal is largely to encourage international tourism to the Whitsundays (i.e. HTI or PPP, and not WTB).

Cheers,

C.
 
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Sun Nov 12, 2017 6:15 am

Former JetConnect ZK-ZQA has returned to service for QF now registered VH-VZF

http://theqantassource.com/jetconnect-b ... as-vh-vzf/
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Sun Nov 12, 2017 6:36 am

For those interested next Sunday there will be a TV show air on Channel 7 called First Flight, The secrets of the Dreamliner

https://twitter.com/Qantas/status/926321338423406592
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:10 am

According to EK both PER and BNE could see new first class suites on 77W in 2018

https://twitter.com/AusBT/status/929649715968294912
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:35 am

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Former JetConnect ZK-ZQA has returned to service for QF now registered VH-VZF

http://theqantassource.com/jetconnect-b ... as-vh-vzf/


Yep, I noticed that also. Does this mean 1 less ZK rego, and is this because of the increased widebody flying across the ditch?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:16 am

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Hi all,

Here are some pictures from the launches of CMB - MEL (UL) and TAO - SYD (JD), earlier this week:

Image

Image

Image

Image

See:
- http://www.anna.aero/2017/10/31/srilank ... australia/.
- http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/1 ... melbourne/.
- http://www.anna.aero/2017/10/31/beijing ... ines-goes/.


It is great to see these carriers with new services to Australia, from previously un-served destinations.

Cheers,

C.


Great to see UL starting a service to MEL I think they were meant to start like a year of 2 ago but money problems prevented them flying there at that time.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:07 pm

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And perhaps J is better than my quick squiz. I'm sure someone else who has actually sat in it can elaborate. I travel QF so rarely these days I've lost status and upgrades.


I flew on the 789 MEL-PER in J and thought the seat was great. Very comfy, spacious and feels quite private in the window seat. In bed mode it was a good length for me (I'm 6'4). I haven't flown that many times in J though so I can't really compare to other airlines/aircraft.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:13 pm

Tourism Australia and GA are partnering, to promote in-bound travel to Australia in 2018 - Indonesia is one of Australia’s fastest growing tourism markets.

See: https://traveltradedaily.com/asia-pacif ... -indonesia.

It would be good to see the Indonesia - Australia corridor developed further, with:

- CGK - BNE - AKL on GA (neither having CGK flights)
- CGK - MEL on QF (in addition to GA's current flight)
- SUB - SYD / MEL / PER on GA, ID, JQ, OD, QF or QZ

Although GA is facing financial difficulties, a service to BNE would only require a 738 to be re-allocated domestically, a few times per week.

GA axed its CGK - DPS - BNE flight in January 2015 (after 18 months), amid a company-wide restructure (which seems to still be on-going).

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On the topic of Indonesia, and apologies if this has been covered before, but VA is considering a DRW - KOE service in 2018.

VA recently participated in the Komodo Travel Mart 2017, in an information-gathering exercise for the potential new route.

See: https://en.tempo.co/read/news/2017/10/2 ... -to-Kupang.

I am surprised that VA is considering KOE over DIL and LOP. Perhaps VA will turn DRW into a hub for more Indonesian flights.

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JQ is happy with the demand that it is seeing on its new ADL - HBA service, so far - the inaugural flights are "almost full."

See: http://www.themercury.com.au/news/tasma ... 5c6e9133de.

JQ says that "we expect to see a lot of mutual interest in both destinations" - IMO, the same argument can be used in support of an HBA - AKL service, with both Tasmanians looking to travel to New Zealand (and on to the Pacific Islands and the Americas), and New Zealanders looking to travel to Tasmania. Indeed, AKL and ADL are similar sized cities, and should generate similar levels of demand. I hope that JQ or NZ considers such a service in the near future - NZ would be best suited out of the two, given the connection opportunities through NZ's AKL hub. I doubt that QF or VA would be interested in this corridor.

Flyingsottsman wrote:
Great to see UL starting a service to MEL

Indeed - it is also great that UL is considering resuming CMB - SYD flights too:

SriLankan Airlines chief executive Suren Ratwatte said that “fingers crossed, if all goes well, we are looking at Sydney next year”

See: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... clnk&gl=nz.

Cheers,

C.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:21 pm

GA has been quite on and off with BNE, if they can't make BNE-DPS work with an 737 then I don't think theres much hope in them trying again so soon.

They have recently started to re-time and better utilise their aircraft to MEL, so hopefully they can get stronger in the market, they are even adding a new eighth weekly MEL-DPS service in December. CGK has certainly been quite week, I would have expected it to have grown out of SYD, MEL and PER, but growth has been quite slow and stagnant.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:33 pm

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GA has been quite on and off with BNE, if they can't make BNE-DPS work with an 737 then I don't think theres much hope in them trying again so soon.

Perhaps the flight would be more viable if it:

- Originated in CGK, rather than DPS (focusing on in-bound tourism, given that 3 carriers already serve BNE - DPS, focusing on out-bound tourism)
- Extended to AKL (particularly given the lack of a direct, year-round Indonesia - New Zealand flight, and given that EK has just exited BNE - AKL too)

Would a 738 flight from CGK face penalties?

kriskim wrote:
CGK has certainly been quite week, I would have expected it to have grown out of SYD, MEL and PER, but growth has been quite slow and stagnant.

Is this more attributable to mismanagement by GA, rather than overall market weakness?

After all, Indonesian visitor arrivals to Australia are ~175,000 pa (growing by double digits).

See: http://www.tourism.australia.com/conten ... 002924.pdf.

Cheers,

C.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:00 pm

planemanofnz wrote:
kriskim wrote:
GA has been quite on and off with BNE, if they can't make BNE-DPS work with an 737 then I don't think theres much hope in them trying again so soon.

Perhaps the flight would be more viable if it:

- Originated in CGK, rather than DPS (focusing on in-bound tourism, given that 3 carriers already serve BNE - DPS, focusing on out-bound tourism)
- Extended to AKL (particularly given the lack of a direct, year-round Indonesia - New Zealand flight, and given that EK has just exited BNE - AKL too)

Would a 738 flight from CGK face penalties?


A 737-800 would not be able to fly CGK-BNE fully loaded - they are borderline on DPS-BNE.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:03 pm

Last night's JQ524 from MEL-SYD returned to MEL as it was going to land after curfew. Turned around just after the Victorian/NSW border

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/JST ... /YMML/YMML
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:15 pm

Qantas16 wrote:
A 737-800 would not be able to fly CGK-BNE fully loaded - they are borderline on DPS-BNE.

Perhaps GA would be content with limiting its payload, given the improved yield potential from being the only carrier on this route.

Alternatively, if GA has spare A330 capacity, it should consider deploying this to BNE and AKL, because:

- Being the only carrier on CGK - BNE will generate more demand than DPS - BNE, given tourism trends and the lack of competitors
- The lack of a direct and year-round Indonesia - New Zealand service will also generate more demand, should an AKL tag be added

Cheers,

C.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:03 pm

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qf789 wrote:
Former JetConnect ZK-ZQA has returned to service for QF now registered VH-VZF

http://theqantassource.com/jetconnect-b ... as-vh-vzf/


Yep, I noticed that also. Does this mean 1 less ZK rego, and is this because of the increased widebody flying across the ditch?

Yes it does. I wouldn't entirely be surprised to see an A330 on the NZ register though
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:19 am

WA government including Premier and tourism minister are in China this week and having talks with China Eastern for direct Perth-Shanghai flights... watch this space

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western ... 1af6846b10
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:04 am

QR using CBR as a means for a second daily SYD is not a ploy - it's a perfectly acceptable arrangement under Qatar's access to the Regional Package as per the Australia/Qatar ASA. Despite what some would have had QR and the Qatari authorities believe, there's nothing cheeky or 'back door' about it.

planemanofnz wrote:
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On the topic of Indonesia, and apologies if this has been covered before, but VA is considering a DRW - KOE service in 2018.

VA recently participated in the Komodo Travel Mart 2017, in an information-gathering exercise for the potential new route.

See: https://en.tempo.co/read/news/2017/10/2 ... -to-Kupang.

I am surprised that VA is considering KOE over DIL and LOP. Perhaps VA will turn DRW into a hub for more Indonesian flights.

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DIL is not in Indonesia, it's in Timor Leste. The ASA that was agreed between Australia and Timor Leste still isn't supported by a MOU and, therefore, has no practical effect as far as RPT services go - Airnorth currently operates DRW-DIL as an open charter and, for that matter, has the route pretty well covered.

TN486 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Former JetConnect ZK-ZQA has returned to service for QF now registered VH-VZF

http://theqantassource.com/jetconnect-b ... as-vh-vzf/


Yep, I noticed that also. Does this mean 1 less ZK rego, and is this because of the increased widebody flying across the ditch?


Yes - Jetconnect goes to 7x B738 instead of 8, and yes it has to do with the equipment changes.

An767 wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
log0008 wrote:

Re the China Darwin flights, cant reallly see them happening,Outbound market may well be very cose to zero, its not as if there is a lot for a Chinese visitor to do in Darwin , the only way i can see it working is a tie up with VA and fly them south. This then leads to poor loads on return unless pax are routed back through Darwin. I say almosst zero outbound as your average terrotorian thinks an overseas trip resolves purley around going to Bali
AN767


The NT Government and Tourism NT are working very hard at attracting a Chinese carrier to DRW if your predictions on the market are correct. I imagine if/when anything is announced we will see a 3-4 weekly seasonal service operating during the dry season, and relying quite a bit on package tours to Uluru, etc. Surprised DZ is the Chinese carrier in question though, as that would rely heavily on outbound tourism as well as inbound tourism from the Chinese side. I suppose all will become clearer if/when any announcements are made, but I'm less surprised by this than most people :)
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:39 am

DeltaB717 wrote:
QR using CBR as a means for a second daily SYD is not a ploy - it's a perfectly acceptable arrangement under Qatar's access to the Regional Package as per the Australia/Qatar ASA. Despite what some would have had QR and the Qatari authorities believe, there's nothing cheeky or 'back door' about it.

Read my post again - I said that the ploy was in promulgating through media that CBR could be de-tagged from SYD, into its own flight.

DeltaB717 wrote:
DIL is not in Indonesia, it's in Timor Leste

Read my post again - I said that I was surprised that KOE was considered ahead of DIL (charter or not) - not that DIL is in Indonesia.

DeltaB717 wrote:
I'm less surprised by this than most people

I think I speak for most people when I say that it is surprising that DRW is set to receive flights to SZX, before CAN, HKG, PEK and/or PVG.

Cheers,

C.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:06 pm

QF 737-800 VH-XZH has been installed with WIFI

http://theqantassource.com/qantas-b737- ... rra-extra/
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:25 pm

Update on QF 789's

VH-ZNB rolled out of final assembly on the 3rd of November, looks like it is currently in paint

VH-ZNC parts are arriving and will be the next aircraft to enter final assembly at PAE
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:40 pm

Any news on when the 787 will be available for bookings on the bne-lax-jfk route?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:08 am

planemanofnz wrote:
USAOZ wrote:
think Toowoomba Wellcamp might soon have NZL flights if there's a financial incentives

Did you read the articles? The LNP proposal is largely to encourage international tourism to the Whitsundays (i.e. HTI or PPP, and not WTB).

Cheers,

C.
encourage international tourism to anywhere. HTI/PPP are just examples.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:33 am

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encourage international tourism to anywhere. HTI/PPP are just examples.

Read the article:

"LNP promises $10M fund to lure flights to Whitsundays"

"Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk said this money would be used to rejuvenate Great Barrier Reef tourism"

See: https://www.dailymercury.com.au/news/ln ... a/3259605/.

WTB does not provide access to a destination for in-bound tourists - it is unlikely to secure new flights with this money.

Cheers,

C.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:57 pm

planemanofnz wrote:
USAOZ wrote:
encourage international tourism to anywhere. HTI/PPP are just examples.

Read the article:

"LNP promises $10M fund to lure flights to Whitsundays"

"Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk said this money would be used to rejuvenate Great Barrier Reef tourism"

See: https://www.dailymercury.com.au/news/ln ... a/3259605/.

WTB does not provide access to a destination for in-bound tourists - it is unlikely to secure new flights with this money.

Cheers,

C.
kiwis seem to be everywhere. Am sure if a few flights a week, WTB to AKL or CHC they could work, especially in peak school holiday periods.

It's just like how no one wants to fly via bloody terrible SYD to go overseas, Toowoomba people & those living west of, don't want the drive to BNE to go overseas.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2017

Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:16 am

China Eastern set to trail Perth-Shanghai flights 2nd half of 2018


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