OAG Changes 10/22/2017: AS Adds PHX-SFO,EW MCO-DUS, F9 Big Summer Schedule Change, VR Closes PVD

enilria · Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:00 pm

FAQ

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares departures for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

THE SCHEDULES SHOWN HERE CHANGE AFTER YOU POST???
-To improve is to change; to be perfect is to change often---Winston Churchill. This is data the carriers filed at the point in time it was captured. It's changed since then. You are just going to have to live with it.

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way.

It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

WHERE ARE SEATS SHOWN?
They aren't. This only shows departures.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Flights that do not operate every day of the month create fractional service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. For example, if a flight operates 4 times in April it will show 4/30=0.133=0.1.

Also , a flight that only operates once per week may vary between 0.1 and 0.2 because a weekday may repeat either 4 or 5 times depending on the month.

WHAT ABOUT CARRIERS THAT DON'T PUBLISH A SCHEDULE 9 MONTHS IN ADVANCE?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. I remove the schedule adds if I see them and show a year over

year (YOY) comparison if I notice them.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE SKYWEST
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THIS LOOKS LIKE AN ERROR?
The carriers file the schedules. They do make mistakes. Most of the mistakes I have seen are either related to code shares not being marked as "duplicates" or carriers filing flights with invalid data such as equipment codes that are not standard. This causes flights to not

appear.

CHARTERS?
Lately charters have been showing up in the database. I have no idea if that will continue.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

AA CLT-ABE APR 3>2
AA CLT-AGS MAR 7>6 APR 7>6
AA CLT-BUF APR 4>3
AA CLT-DEN APR 6>5
More cuts
*AA CLT-HAV DEC 1.0>0.5 JAN 1.0>0.8
AA CLT-MCI APR 5>4
AA CLT-PNS APR 4>3
AA CLT-ROC MAR 3>4 APR 3>4
AA CLT-SAN MAR 2>3 APR 2>3
AA CLT-SEA MAR 2>3 APR 2>3
AA CLT-SJU NOV 1.3>1.2
AA CLT-SRQ MAR 3>4 APR 3>4
AA DFW-SJU NOV 1.8>0.9 DEC 2>1.5
AA LAX-OMA JAN 1.0>0.7
AA MIA-SJU NOV 7>4 DEC 7>6
AA ORD-ALO APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2
AA PHL-SJU NOV 1.9>1.0

AC DFW-YUL MAY 1.0>0.7

AF SFO-CDG APR 1.4>1.7 MAY 1.6>2 JUN 1.9>2

AM FAT-GDL FEB 0.9>0.7
AM ORD-GDL MAR 1.0>1.2
AM SJC-GDL FEB 0.9>0.7
AM SMF-MEX JAN 0.7>0.5

AS HNL-SJC APR 0.6>0.4
AS PDX-SFO MAR 6>5
Only loaded for about a month so far. I assume it will roll forward.
**AS PHX-SFO MAR 0>2.0
AS SEA-SFO MAR 9>8

AZ LAX-FCO APR 0.4>0.6

B6 BOS-AUA APR 3>2
B6 BOS-EWR MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 6>5
*B6 BOS-MSP MAY 0>3 JUN 0>1.2
B6 BOS-SDQ DEC 1.3>1.5
B6 FLL-AUA MAR 0.8>0.9
B6 FLL-BQN NOV 0.7>0.4
B6 JFK-BOS MAY 6>7
B6 JFK-BQN NOV 1.0>0.4
B6 JFK-CHS APR 3>2
B6 JFK-KIN DEC 2>3
B6 JFK-PSE NOV 1.0>0.4
B6 MCO-BQN NOV 1.0>0.7
B6 MCO-JFK APR 8>7
B6 MCO-NAS MAR 0.7>0.9
B6 MCO-PSE NOV 1.0>0.7

BR SEA-TPE NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.5>1.3 JAN 1.4>1.2 FEB 1.4>1.0 MAR 1.1>1.0

CA EWR-PEK FEB 0.6>0.4
CA IAD-PEK FEB 0.7>0.5
CA JFK-PEK FEB 1.7>1.6

CM FLL-PTY DEC 0.5>0.8 JAN 0.6>0.9 FEB 0.6>0.9

DL ATL-FAR FEB 0.2>0.1
DL ATL-LHR NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4
DL ATL-RNO FEB 0.2>0.1
DL ATL-SNA APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4
DL DTW-MQT JAN 0>0.9 FEB 0.1>0.9
DL DTW-SRQ FEB 0.3>0.2
DL JFK-LHR NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4
DL JFK-SRQ FEB 0.2>0.1
DL JFK-TXL MAY 0.3>0.8
DL LAX-BZN FEB 0.2>0.1
DL LAX-JAC FEB 0.2>0.1
DL MIA-BOS FEB 0.2>0.1
DL MSP-PBI MAR 0.9>0.6 APR 0.1>0.0
DL MSP-PUJ FEB 1.1>1.2 MAR 1.1>1.4
DL MSP-PVR MAR 1.3>1.5
DL MSP-SJC APR 0.9>1.8 MAY 1.8>3
DL SEA-JAC FEB 0.2>0.1
DL SLC-GJT MAR 1.8>3 APR 1.9>3 MAY 1.9>3 JUN 1.8>3

EW MCO-CGN JAN 0.3>0.1 FEB 0.3>0.1 MAR 0.3>0.2
*EW MCO-DUS DEC 0>0.1 JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.2

F9 YOY Changes
F9 ATL-AUS APR 0.2>0.1
F9 ATL-ISP APR 0>0.8 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0
F9 ATL-LAX JUN 0.6>0.4
F9 ATL-SFO APR 0.5>0.1
Surprised if this sticks
*F9 ATL-SJU APR 0>0.4 MAY 0>0.5 JUN 0>0.4
F9 BNA-MCO JUN 0.6>0.4
F9 CLE-LAS JUN 1.4>1.0
F9 CLE-MCO APR 2.0>1.0 MAY 1.4>1.0 JUN 1.4>1.0
F9 CLE-PHX APR 0.9>0.6 JUN 0.6>0.4
F9 CLE-RSW JUN 1.4>1.0
*F9 CMH-LAS APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0
F9 CMH-MCO APR 0.8>0.5 MAY 1.0>0.5 JUN 1.0>0.4
F9 CMH-RSW APR 0.4>0.1
F9 COS-IAD APR 0>0.8 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0
F9 COS-ORD APR 0>0.8 MAY 0>1.0
F9 CVG-CUN APR 0.1>0.2 MAY 0>0.1 JUN 0>0.2
F9 CVG-DFW JUN 0.6>0.4
F9 CVG-LAS JUN 1.6>1.0
F9 CVG-LAX APR 0.7>0.4 MAY 1.0>0.5 JUN 1.0>0.6
F9 CVG-PHX APR 0.9>0.5 MAY 1.0>0.5 JUN 1.0>0.6
*F9 CVG-SFO MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0
Looks like a significant cut for DEN as of now, I count -12 daily flights out
F9 DEN-ABQ APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0
F9 DEN-ATL APR 2.0>1.0 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0
F9 DEN-BIS JUN 0.7>0.4
F9 DEN-BNA MAY 1.2>0.8 JUN 1.0>0.6
F9 DEN-BZN MAY 0.4>0.2
F9 DEN-CMH APR 1.0>0.7 MAY 1.0>0.5 JUN 1.0>0.6
F9 DEN-CUN APR 1.0>1.2
F9 DEN-CVG MAY 1.7>1.0 JUN 2>1.0
F9 DEN-DSM MAY 1.0>0.5 JUN 1.0>0.6
F9 DEN-FSD JUN 0.8>0.6
F9 DEN-IAH APR 1.9>1.0 MAY 1.9>1.0 JUN 2.0>1.0
F9 DEN-IND MAY 1.0>0.5 JUN 1.0>0.4
F9 DEN-LAS APR 4>3 MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3
F9 DEN-MCO APR 3>1.0 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0
F9 DEN-MEM APR 1.0>0.6 MAY 0.9>0.5 JUN 1.0>0.6
F9 DEN-MSN MAY 0.6>0.5 JUN 0.6>0.4
F9 DEN-MSY APR 0.9>0.6 MAY 1.0>0.5 JUN 1.0>0.4
F9 DEN-OMA MAY 1.0>0.5 JUN 1.0>0.6
F9 DEN-ONT APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0
F9 DEN-PDX JUN 3>1.9
F9 DEN-PHL APR 1.3>0.8 MAY 3>1.0 JUN 2>1.0
F9 DEN-PHX MAY 2>1.3 JUN 2>1.0
F9 DEN-PIT MAY 1.0>0.5 JUN 1.0>0.4
F9 DEN-PVD APR 0>0.8 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0
F9 DEN-PVR APR 0.4>0.2
F9 DEN-SAN MAY 3>2 JUN 3>1.9
F9 DEN-SAT APR 0.8>0.1 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0
F9 DEN-SFO MAY 3>1.5 JUN 2>1.4
F9 DEN-SJC APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0
F9 DEN-STL JUN 1.9>1.0
F9 DSM-MCO APR 0.3>0.1
F9 DSM-PHX APR 0.3>0.1
F9 DTW-MCO APR 1.1>0.5
*F9 DTW-PHX APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0
F9 DTW-RSW APR 0.3>0.1
F9 DTW-TTN MAY 1.0>0.5 JUN 1.0>0.6
*F9 IAD-LAS APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0
F9 IAD-ORD APR 0>0.8 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0
F9 IAH-LAS JUN 0.6>0.4
F9 IAH-PHL APR 0.6>0.3 JUN 0.6>0.4
F9 IND-MCO MAY 0.9>0.5 JUN 1.0>0.6
F9 IND-RSW APR 0.7>0.1
F9 ISP-MCO APR 0>2 MAY 0>2 JUN 0>2
F9 ISP-ORD APR 0>0.8 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0
F9 LAS-MCO APR 1.4>1.0
F9 LAS-MIA APR 0.7>0.2
*F9 LAS-MKE APR 1.0>0.7 MAY 1.0>0.5 JUN 1.0>0.6
*F9 LAS-PIT APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0
*F9 LAX-ORD APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0
F9 LGA-MIA APR 0.7>0.2
F9 MCI-CUN APR 0>0.1
*F9 MCO-CUN APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0
F9 MCO-MSN APR 0.3>0.1
F9 MCO-MSP APR 0.6>0.2
F9 MCO-OMA APR 0.4>0.1
That's a lot of service for F9
*F9 MCO-PHL MAY 1.9>3 JUN 2.0>3
F9 MCO-PIT APR 0.5>0.1
F9 MCO-PVD APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0
*F9 MCO-SAN APR 1.0>0.2 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0
*F9 MCO-SFO APR 1.0>0.2 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0
*F9 MCO-SJU APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0
F9 MIA-ORD APR 0.7>0.2
F9 MKE-PHX APR 0.4>0.1
F9 MKE-RSW APR 0.4>0.2
F9 MSY-PHL APR 0.8>0.6
F9 ORD-PHX APR 1.0>0.7 MAY 1.0>0.7 JUN 1.0>0.7
F9 ORD-PVR APR 0.4>0.1
F9 ORD-SFO MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0
F9 ORD-SJD APR 0.3>0.1
F9 ORD-TPA APR 0.3>0.2
F9 PBI-PHL APR 0.4>0.1
*F9 PHL-RDU MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0
*F9 PHL-SJU APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0
F9 PHL-TPA APR 1.3>0.7 MAY 1.0>0.5 JUN 1.0>0.6
F9 RSW-STL APR 0.7>0.1
F9 TPA-TTN JUN 0.6>0.4

G4 ABE-FLL MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 ABE-SFB MAR 1.0>1.7
G4 ATW-AZA MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 ATW-PIE MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 AVL-FLL MAY 1.0>0.7 JUN 1.0>0.7
G4 AZA-BIS APR 0.7>0.5 MAY 0.7>0.3 JUN 0.7>0.3
G4 AZA-FAR MAY 0.7>0.4 JUN 0.7>0.4
G4 AZA-GFK MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 AZA-IND APR 0.3>0.0
G4 AZA-LAS JUN 0.4>0.3
G4 AZA-MCI APR 0.3>0.0
G4 AZA-MKE APR 0.3>0.0
G4 AZA-MLI MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 AZA-MOT MAY 0.4>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3
G4 AZA-OAK JUN 0.4>0.3
G4 AZA-OMA APR 0.3>0.0
G4 AZA-PIE APR 0.3>0.0
G4 AZA-RAP MAY 0.4>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3
G4 AZA-SDF MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 AZA-STC MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 BGR-PIE MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 BGR-SFB MAY 0.4>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3
G4 BIS-SFB MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 BLI-LAS MAR 1.7>3 APR 1.8>3
G4 BLI-PSP MAY 0.5>0.4
G4 CID-PGD MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 CID-SFB APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3
G4 DSM-PGD MAY 0.5>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3
G4 DSM-SFB JUN 0.6>0.4
G4 ELM-PIE MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 ELM-SFB MAY 0.4>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3
G4 FAR-SFB APR 0.3>0.0
G4 FLL-GRR APR 0.3>0.1
G4 FNT-SFB MAY 0.5>0.3 JUN 0.6>0.3
G4 FSD-PIE MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 FWA-PIE JUN 0.4>0.3
G4 GPT-SFB MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 GRR-PGD MAY 0.5>0.3 JUN 0.6>0.3
G4 GRR-SFB MAY 1.0>0.7 JUN 1.0>0.7
G4 IND-PIE MAY 1.0>0.7 JUN 1.0>0.7
G4 LAS-SMX JUN 0.4>0.3
G4 LAX-MFE MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 LAX-SGF MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 LCK-PIE MAR 0.3>1.0
G4 LEX-PGD MAY 0.5>0.3 JUN 0.6>0.3
G4 MCI-PGD JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 MKE-SFB MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 MLI-PIE MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 OGS-SFB MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 OMA-PGD APR 0.3>0.1
G4 OMA-PIE MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 PBG-PIE MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 PBG-SFB MAR 0.3>1.1
G4 PGD-PIA MAY 0.4>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3
G4 PGD-RFD MAY 0.6>0.3 JUN 0.6>0.3
G4 PGD-SPI MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 PGD-STC APR 0.3>0.0
G4 PGD-TOL MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 PGD-TYS APR 0.6>0.4 MAY 0.5>0.3 JUN 0.6>0.3
G4 PIA-SFB MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 PIE-SBN MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 RFD-SFB MAY 0.4>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3
G4 SBN-SFB MAY 0.4>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3
G4 SFB-SWF MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2

IB BOS-MAD MAY 0.9>1.0
IB LAX-MAD APR 0.4>0.5 MAY 0.5>0.7 JUN 0.8>1.0
*IB SFO-MAD MAY 0>0.4 JUN 0>0.4

KX TPA-GCM NOV 0.6>0.7

MU JFK-PVG NOV 1.6>0.6 DEC 2.0>1.0 JAN 2>1.0 FEB 1.9>0.9 MAR 1.8>0.8 APR 2>1.0 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0

OJ JFK-KIN NOV 0.7>0.6 DEC 0.7>0.5

PK JFK-LHE NOV 0.3>0 DEC 0.3>0 JAN 0.3>0 FEB 0.3>0 MAR 0.3>0 APR 0.3>0 MAY 0.3>0 JUN 0.3>0

*UA CLE-SJU DEC 0.1>0 JAN 0.2>0 FEB 0.1>0 MAR 0.3>0
UA DEN-BIL MAR 5>4
UA DEN-RSW APR 0.1>1.0
UA EWR-AUS MAR 3>4
UA EWR-BDL MAR 4>3
*UA EWR-BQN DEC 0.5>0.4 JAN 1.0>0.2 FEB 1.0>0.1 MAR 1.0>0.8
UA EWR-HAM APR 0>0.2
*UA EWR-LAS FEB 6>5 MAR 7>5
UA EWR-PLS FEB 1.1>1.0
UA EWR-RSW FEB 4>5 MAR 3>5
UA EWR-SJU DEC 3>1.5 JAN 3>1.4 FEB 3>1.2
*UA EWR-STT JAN 1.1>0 FEB 1.1>0 MAR 1.2>0 APR 1.1>0.8
*UA EWR-SXM DEC 0.5>0 JAN 1.3>0 FEB 1.4>0 MAR 1.5>0 APR 1.4>1.0
UA EWR-VCE APR 0>0.3
UA IAD-FLL MAR 1.0>2
UA IAD-MSY MAR 2>3
UA IAD-SJU DEC 0.8>0.5 JAN 1.3>1.1 FEB 1.2>1.0
*UA IAD-STT JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.1>0 APR 0.9>0.6
*UA IAD-SXM JAN 0.1>0 FEB 0.1>0 MAR 0.2>0
*UA IAH-SJU DEC 1.9>1.0 JAN 3>1.0 FEB 3>1.1 MAR 3>1.2
UA ORD-ABQ MAR 1.0>2
UA ORD-ALB MAR 5>4
UA ORD-ATL MAR 8>7
UA ORD-ATW MAR 4>5
UA ORD-CMH MAY 6>7 JUN 6>7
UA ORD-MKE APR 7>8 MAY 7>8 JUN 7>8
UA ORD-SEA FEB 5>4 MAR 6>5
UA ORD-SJU DEC 1.4>0.7 JAN 1.6>1.0 FEB 1.3>1.1 MAR 1.5>1.2
*UA ORD-SXM JAN 0.1>0 FEB 0.1>0 MAR 0.2>0
UA ORD-YVR MAR 3>2
UA SFO-AUS MAR 4>5
UA SFO-BFL FEB 1.4>1.0 MAR 1.9>1.0
UA SFO-DEN FEB 12>11 MAR 14>12
UA SFO-FLL FEB 1.5>1.0 MAR 2>1.0
UA SFO-IAD FEB 9>8 MAR 10>9
UA SFO-SBA MAR 7>6
UA SFO-TUS FEB 2>3 MAR 2>4

*VB IAH-GDL DEC 0>0.5 JAN 0>0.2
VB IAH-MTY DEC 0.2>0.5 JAN 0>0.5 FEB 0>0.3
*VB LAS-MEX DEC 0>0.5 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>0.4
*VB LAX-GDL DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>0.4

**VR PVD-RAI APR 0.1>0 MAY 0.2>0 JUN 0.1>0

VVC MIA-MDE DEC 0.7>1.1 JAN 0>0.5

WP HNL-KOA NOV 10>7 DEC 10>9
WP HNL-LIH NOV 10>7 DEC 10>9
WP HNL-OGG NOV 12>7 DEC 12>10

WW LAX-KEF APR 0>0.4 MAY 0>0.8 JUN 0>1.0
WW ORD-KEF APR 0.6>0.8 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0
WW SFO-KEF APR 0>0.4 MAY 0>0.8 JUN 0>1.0

WNflyer1523 · Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:06 pm

Nice to see Frontier adding the new flights at ISP! But what's VR? You said they're closing PVD.

cvgComair · Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:09 pm

enilria wrote:
*F9 CVG-SFO MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0

It's being replaced by CVG-SJC.

cvgComair · Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:10 pm

WNflyer1523 wrote:
Nice to see Frontier adding the new flights at ISP! But what's VR? You said they're closing PVD.

TACV Cabo Verde Airlines (http://flytacv.com). Looks like they currently run 1-2x/week PVD-RAI on a B757.

phatfarmlines · Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:12 pm

WNflyer1523 wrote:
Nice to see Frontier adding the new flights at ISP! But what's VR? You said they're closing PVD.

VR is TACV Cabo Verde Airlines, existing to serve the Cape Verde diaspora living in the Boston CSA.

Is VR moving operations back to BOS?

Midwestindy · Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:16 pm

Glad to see F9 is back to the chopping block....smh

usairways85 · Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:19 pm

enilria wrote:
More cuts
AA CLT-SJU NOV 1.3>1.2
AA DFW-SJU NOV 1.8>0.9 DEC 2>1.5
AA MIA-SJU NOV 7>4 DEC 7>6
AA PHL-SJU NOV 1.9>1.0

More AA SJU cuts. Will be interesting to see how they use the 330's. SJU averaged 2-3 330's a day in the winter and up to 4 on Saturdays.

enilria wrote:
F9 YOY Changes
F9 IAH-PHL APR 0.6>0.3 JUN 0.6>0.4
That's a lot of service for F9
*F9 MCO-PHL MAY 1.9>3 JUN 2.0>3
F9 MSY-PHL APR 0.8>0.6
F9 PBI-PHL APR 0.4>0.1
*F9 PHL-RDU MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0
*F9 PHL-SJU APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0
F9 PHL-TPA APR 1.3>0.7 MAY 1.0>0.5 JUN 1.0>0.6

IAH and RDU are not surprising, but I thought we already saw PHL-RDU pulled down? PBI and TPA are a bit surprising, but the spring break season ends by May.

MCO is not surprising. Before the WN/FL merger they had a total of something like 6-8 flights PHL-MCO. Now with just WN it hovers somewhere between 3-5. AA has added some winter capacity by way of upgauges and there are 2 NK flights. Without seeing the numbers I'd guess PHL-MCO capacity is flat or up slightly over the past 10 years.

masseybrown · Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:20 pm

Is the LAS boom over? Seems as if the cuts are coming regularly.

RL757PVD · Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:34 pm

VR could be a misfile, they have had higher loads, higher fares and lower costs than when they were at BOS, I believe they were over 95% loads westbound based on the july stats.

They have misfiled before (they once loaded PVD-SID), the only way I could see them back at BOS is if BOS really wants to boast Africa service and gives them an incentive, in which case they will be back at PVD before too long between.

phatfarmlines · Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:35 pm

masseybrown wrote:
Is the LAS boom over? Seems as if the cuts are coming regularly.

Maybe just a temporary drop in demand with the recent event that occurred there?

enilria · Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:36 pm

WNflyer1523 wrote:
Nice to see Frontier adding the new flights at ISP! But what's VR? You said they're closing PVD.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TACV

cvgComair wrote:
enilria wrote:
*F9 CVG-SFO MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0

It's being replaced by CVG-SJC.

I'm not sure why that would be much better. SJC is pretty lightly serve to even large Eastern hubs.

Midwestindy wrote:
Glad to see F9 is back to the chopping block....smh

I'd assume a large announcement of adds is cooking?

usairways85 wrote:
IAH and RDU are not surprising, but I thought we already saw PHL-RDU pulled down?

This is YOY because when they pull something you don't know if it was a seasonal cut or not.

masseybrown wrote:
Is the LAS boom over? Seems as if the cuts are coming regularly.

Just a bump in the road I'd wager.

tphuang · Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:41 pm

Wow, china eastern down to one daily flight from JFK. Quess those rock low fares are not sustainable

SANFan · Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:45 pm

enilria wrote:

**AS PHX-SFO MAR 0>2.0

F9 YOY Changes
F9 BNA-MCO JUN 0.6>0.4
F9 CLE-MCO APR 2.0>1.0 MAY 1.4>1.0 JUN 1.4>1.0
F9 CMH-MCO APR 0.8>0.5 MAY 1.0>0.5 JUN 1.0>0.4
F9 DEN-MCO APR 3>1.0 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0
F9 DSM-MCO APR 0.3>0.1
F9 DTW-MCO APR 1.1>0.5
F9 IND-MCO MAY 0.9>0.5 JUN 1.0>0.6
F9 ISP-MCO APR 0>2 MAY 0>2 JUN 0>2
F9 LAS-MCO APR 1.4>1.0
F9 MCO-MSN APR 0.3>0.1
F9 MCO-MSP APR 0.6>0.2
F9 MCO-OMA APR 0.4>0.1
*F9 MCO-PHL MAY 1.9>3 JUN 2.0>3
F9 MCO-PIT APR 0.5>0.1
F9 MCO-PVD APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0
*F9 MCO-SAN APR 1.0>0.2 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0
*F9 MCO-SFO APR 1.0>0.2 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0
*F9 MCO-SJU APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0

AAG adding CA-PHX is no surprise of course and was expected any time now; seeing Sky Harbor added from 3 or 4 cities in the Golden State will prolly be the case when the dust settles.

The surprise to me is this route has not been announced yet! The service actually starts on Feb 20, and is op'd with 737s.(not EMJs,,, or AirBi.) This is the first new route added by AAG in 6 months even though, as I said, it hasn't even been officially announced yet.

I wonder if we will finally be seeing some more new routes rolled out by AAG for 2018 now?! (With maybe a big announcement coming soon!?)

Regarding F9, that's a lot of changes -- mostly cuts -- at MCO. Two roués seem to be gone completely -- SAN/SFO-MCO. That makes F9 the first carrier to blink in the SAN-MCO market, a route that today has 3 cx flying it nonstop. (F9 flew the e/b as a red-eye that started a couple of years ago and has flown daily ever since.

bb

cvgComair · Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:53 pm

enilria wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
enilria wrote:
*F9 CVG-SFO MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0

It's being replaced by CVG-SJC.

I'm not sure why that would be much better. SJC is pretty lightly serve to even large Eastern hubs.

Yeah, I don't get the switch, SFO was at 90%+ loads with daily service. There is competition with UA and DL on the route, but I find it hard to believe SJC is going to do better. CVG-SJC never seemed to do very well even in the DL hub days, with a 738/752, loads were routinely in the 30-70% range. I guess we will see...

flymco753 · Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:03 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
Glad to see F9 is back to the chopping block....smh

F9 is paving a road for B6 to do MCO-DTW, nothing makes it more viable at this point.

EA CO AS · Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:23 pm

enilria wrote:
Only loaded for about a month so far. I assume it will roll forward.
**AS PHX-SFO MAR 0>2.0

Right now the intent is to serve the market for Cactus League Spring Training games (AS is the official airline of the San Francisco Giants) but may become regular service if it performs well.

Jshank83 · Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:26 pm

WN added some routes to SNA during christmas over the last week or 2. I didn't see them on the last update. I figured they would show up on this one. oh well.

As always thanks for the updates!

PlanesNTrains · Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:44 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
Glad to see F9 is back to the chopping block....smh

Who_cares? They've been doing this for years now and every week we have to endure the bemoaning of it. It's their business model now - get over it.

Midwestindy · Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:44 pm

enilria wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Glad to see F9 is back to the chopping block....smh

I'd assume a large announcement of adds is cooking?

I believe these cuts are to make room for the new flying coming online at around the same time.

Watch G4 for new routes either this week, or Nov, they usually trim a lot of routes right before a big schedule release....(check the OAG thread from 06/18/17)

stl07 · Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:50 pm

They Cut MIA-HAV because they said they wanted an extra STL-DEN flight in a news report but now they cut that too? This constant adding and chopping of unexpected routes after just a single season of flying is not going to win over customers in the long run.

SFOtoORD · Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:50 pm

EA CO AS wrote:
enilria wrote:
Only loaded for about a month so far. I assume it will roll forward.
**AS PHX-SFO MAR 0>2.0

Right now the intent is to serve the market for Cactus League Spring Training games (AS is the official airline of the San Francisco Giants) but may become regular service if it performs well.

It’s a smart addition. After US left *A I always felt like UA didn’t have enough capacity on SFO-PHX. AS could do well on the SFO point of sale side.

Midwestindy · Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:52 pm

PlanesNTrains wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Glad to see F9 is back to the chopping block....smh

Who_cares? They've been doing this for years now and every week we have to endure the bemoaning of it. It's their business model now - get over it.

Haha can’t I just be petty in piece

I actually don’t mind F9s route strategy too much, because at least it makes room for more reliable carriers to enter the markets they leave open.

RL757PVD · Sun Oct 22, 2017 5:06 pm

For VR I hope its not related to the FI partnership. VR has done better at PVD than they did at BOS, but with FI calling some shots hopefully they don't try and consolidate for the sake of crews. It would probably be cheaper for them to shuttle a crew to PVD on their layover than switch back to BOS.

PlanesNTrains · Sun Oct 22, 2017 5:33 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Glad to see F9 is back to the chopping block....smh

Who_cares? They've been doing this for years now and every week we have to endure the bemoaning of it. It's their business model now - get over it.

Haha can’t I just be petty in piece

I actually don’t mind F9s route strategy too much, because at least it makes room for more reliable carriers to enter the markets they leave open.

Well, if it takes F9 trailblazing for them, that's not a ringing endorsement of their business plan.

ericm2031 · Sun Oct 22, 2017 5:45 pm

EA CO AS wrote:
enilria wrote:
Only loaded for about a month so far. I assume it will roll forward.
**AS PHX-SFO MAR 0>2.0

Right now the intent is to serve the market for Cactus League Spring Training games (AS is the official airline of the San Francisco Giants) but may become regular service if it performs well.

Pretty big hole in the VX/AS network they should serve anyways...especially since it can't be codeshared on with AA.

Midwestindy · Sun Oct 22, 2017 5:55 pm

PlanesNTrains wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:

Who_cares? They've been doing this for years now and every week we have to endure the bemoaning of it. It's their business model now - get over it.

Haha can’t I just be petty in piece

I actually don’t mind F9s route strategy too much, because at least it makes room for more reliable carriers to enter the markets they leave open.

Well, if it takes F9 trailblazing for them, that's not a ringing endorsement of their business plan.

Are you referring to a specific carrier? I wasn’t...

lat41 · Sun Oct 22, 2017 5:56 pm

cvgComair wrote:
WNflyer1523 wrote:
Nice to see Frontier adding the new flights at ISP! But what's VR? You said they're closing PVD.

TACV Cabo Verde Airlines (http://flytacv.com). Looks like they currently run 1-2x/week PVD-RAI on a B757.

VR is the IATA code FOR TACV. Their only 757, which they run all long segments including the transatlantic to Providence was out of action starting in Sept. They have been operating their flights with a chartered 763 the last few weeks which is possibly the way it will stay.

lat41 · Sun Oct 22, 2017 5:57 pm

cvgComair wrote:
WNflyer1523 wrote:
Nice to see Frontier adding the new flights at ISP! But what's VR? You said they're closing PVD.

TACV Cabo Verde Airlines (http://flytacv.com). Looks like they currently run 1-2x/week PVD-RAI on a B757.

VR is the IATA code FOR TACV. Their only 757, which they run all long segments including the transatlantic to Providence was out of action starting in Sept. They have been operating their flights with a chartered 763 the last few weeks which is possibly the way it will stay.

cvgComair · Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:20 pm

lat41 wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
WNflyer1523 wrote:
Nice to see Frontier adding the new flights at ISP! But what's VR? You said they're closing PVD.

TACV Cabo Verde Airlines (http://flytacv.com). Looks like they currently run 1-2x/week PVD-RAI on a B757.

VR is the IATA code FOR TACV. Their only 757, which they run all long segments including the transatlantic to Providence was out of action starting in Sept. They have been operating their flights with a chartered 763 the last few weeks which is possibly the way it will stay.

Looks like it is scheduled on a 767 until Nov 8, when it switches back to a 757. I bet they just have not extended the 767 change, but they are still using the VR code for these schedule filings with the chartered 767.

77H · Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:28 pm

usairways85 wrote:
enilria wrote:
More cuts
AA CLT-SJU NOV 1.3>1.2
AA DFW-SJU NOV 1.8>0.9 DEC 2>1.5
AA MIA-SJU NOV 7>4 DEC 7>6
AA PHL-SJU NOV 1.9>1.0

More AA SJU cuts. Will be interesting to see how they use the 330's. SJU averaged 2-3 330's a day in the winter and up to 4 on Saturdays.

Looks like UA is also reducing SJU in force along with cuts across the board to STT and SXM.

UA has also announced numerous cuts to GUM. That is a lot of cancellations. I too wonder where AA and UA will be moving these planes.

77H

enilria wrote:
F9 YOY Changes
F9 IAH-PHL APR 0.6>0.3 JUN 0.6>0.4
That's a lot of service for F9
*F9 MCO-PHL MAY 1.9>3 JUN 2.0>3
F9 MSY-PHL APR 0.8>0.6
F9 PBI-PHL APR 0.4>0.1
*F9 PHL-RDU MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0
*F9 PHL-SJU APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0
F9 PHL-TPA APR 1.3>0.7 MAY 1.0>0.5 JUN 1.0>0.6

IAH and RDU are not surprising, but I thought we already saw PHL-RDU pulled down? PBI and TPA are a bit surprising, but the spring break season ends by May.

MCO is not surprising. Before the WN/FL merger they had a total of something like 6-8 flights PHL-MCO. Now with just WN it hovers somewhere between 3-5. AA has added some winter capacity by way of upgauges and there are 2 NK flights. Without seeing the numbers I'd guess PHL-MCO capacity is flat or up slightly over the past 10 years.

lavalampluva · Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:33 pm

*B6 BOS-MSP MAY 0>3 JUN 0>1.2

They just announced service and already trimming it back?

AirFiero · Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:46 pm

cvgComair wrote:
enilria wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
It's being replaced by CVG-SJC.

I'm not sure why that would be much better. SJC is pretty lightly serve to even large Eastern hubs.

Yeah, I don't get the switch, SFO was at 90%+ loads with daily service. There is competition with UA and DL on the route, but I find it hard to believe SJC is going to do better. CVG-SJC never seemed to do very well even in the DL hub days, with a 738/752, loads were routinely in the 30-70% range. I guess we will see...

I thought this one was less than daily, either 3x or 4x/weekly?

SFOtoORD · Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:52 pm

lavalampluva wrote:
*B6 BOS-MSP MAY 0>3 JUN 0>1.2

They just announced service and already trimming it back?

Nope. B6’s entire schedule only goes out to mid-June.

mariner · Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:00 pm

stl07 wrote:
They Cut MIA-HAV because they said they wanted an extra STL-DEN flight in a news report but now they cut that too?

I thought they cut MIA-HAV because it didn't do well. That's what they told the staff and no surprise there.

stl07 wrote:
This constant adding and chopping of unexpected routes after just a single season of flying is not going to win over customers in the long run.

I don't think Frontier is looking for constancy of customers. They're a bottom feeder and a very successful one.

mariner

Midwestindy · Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:09 pm

enilria wrote:
G4 ABE-FLL MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 ABE-SFB MAR 1.0>1.7
G4 ATW-AZA MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 ATW-PIE MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 AVL-FLL MAY 1.0>0.7 JUN 1.0>0.7
G4 AZA-BIS APR 0.7>0.5 MAY 0.7>0.3 JUN 0.7>0.3
G4 AZA-FAR MAY 0.7>0.4 JUN 0.7>0.4
G4 AZA-GFK MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 AZA-IND APR 0.3>0.0
G4 AZA-LAS JUN 0.4>0.3
G4 AZA-MCI APR 0.3>0.0
G4 AZA-MKE APR 0.3>0.0
G4 AZA-MLI MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 AZA-MOT MAY 0.4>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3
G4 AZA-OAK JUN 0.4>0.3
G4 AZA-OMA APR 0.3>0.0
G4 AZA-PIE APR 0.3>0.0
G4 AZA-RAP MAY 0.4>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3
G4 AZA-SDF MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 AZA-STC MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 BGR-PIE MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 BGR-SFB MAY 0.4>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3
G4 BIS-SFB MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 BLI-LAS MAR 1.7>3 APR 1.8>3
G4 BLI-PSP MAY 0.5>0.4
G4 CID-PGD MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 CID-SFB APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3
G4 DSM-PGD MAY 0.5>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3
G4 DSM-SFB JUN 0.6>0.4
G4 ELM-PIE MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 ELM-SFB MAY 0.4>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3
G4 FAR-SFB APR 0.3>0.0
G4 FLL-GRR APR 0.3>0.1
G4 FNT-SFB MAY 0.5>0.3 JUN 0.6>0.3
G4 FSD-PIE MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 FWA-PIE JUN 0.4>0.3
G4 GPT-SFB MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 GRR-PGD MAY 0.5>0.3 JUN 0.6>0.3
G4 GRR-SFB MAY 1.0>0.7 JUN 1.0>0.7
G4 IND-PIE MAY 1.0>0.7 JUN 1.0>0.7
G4 LAS-SMX JUN 0.4>0.3
G4 LAX-MFE MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 LAX-SGF MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 LCK-PIE MAR 0.3>1.0
G4 LEX-PGD MAY 0.5>0.3 JUN 0.6>0.3
G4 MCI-PGD JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 MKE-SFB MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 MLI-PIE MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 OGS-SFB MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 OMA-PGD APR 0.3>0.1
G4 OMA-PIE MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 PBG-PIE MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 PBG-SFB MAR 0.3>1.1
G4 PGD-PIA MAY 0.4>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3
G4 PGD-RFD MAY 0.6>0.3 JUN 0.6>0.3
G4 PGD-SPI MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 PGD-STC APR 0.3>0.0
G4 PGD-TOL MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 PGD-TYS APR 0.6>0.4 MAY 0.5>0.3 JUN 0.6>0.3
G4 PIA-SFB MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 PIE-SBN MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2
G4 RFD-SFB MAY 0.4>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3
G4 SBN-SFB MAY 0.4>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3
G4 SFB-SWF MAY 0.3>0.2 JUN 0.3>0.2

Looks like G4 is only allowing bookings through Tue May 15, 2018. So we will see what happens this tuesday....

adamh8297 · Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:37 pm

Thanks as always enilria!!!

enilria wrote:

B6 BOS-AUA APR 3>2
B6 BOS-SDQ DEC 1.3>1.5

Surprised there's a cut with BOS-AUA since there's no SXM for the season and highly likely chance of future cuts to SJU. Also surprised they haven't tried to increase NAS/CUN/PUJ in light of this.

enilria wrote:
CA EWR-PEK FEB 0.6>0.4
CA IAD-PEK FEB 0.7>0.5
CA JFK-PEK FEB 1.7>1.6
MU JFK-PVG NOV 1.6>0.6 DEC 2.0>1.0 JAN 2>1.0 FEB 1.9>0.9 MAR 1.8>0.8 APR 2>1.0 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0

Are there Tier 1 Frequencies (PEK/PVG/CAN) now up for grabs for Chinese based carriers. Wouldn't MU or CA be better off finding something unserved?

enilria wrote:
CM FLL-PTY DEC 0.5>0.8 JAN 0.6>0.9 FEB 0.6>0.9

3rd Straight week with a CM increase in USA.

enilria wrote:
**VR PVD-RAI APR 0.1>0 MAY 0.2>0 JUN 0.1>0

RL757PVD wrote:
For VR I hope its not related to the FI partnership. VR has done better at PVD than they did at BOS, but with FI calling some shots hopefully they don't try and consolidate for the sake of crews. It would probably be cheaper for them to shuttle a crew to PVD on their layover than switch back to BOS.

I wonder if the switch to SID is still on. Seems like FI group wants VR to do this. https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... cape-verde

Is it possible there may be some cooperation with S4 as well in PVD with their entry into RAI?

cvgComair · Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:49 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
Looks like G4 is only allowing bookings through Tue May 15, 2018. So we will see what happens this tuesday....

I hope we will finally see what G4's international plans are, it will be interesting to see if anything comes of this.

ctrabs0114 · Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:56 pm

EA CO AS wrote:
enilria wrote:
Only loaded for about a month so far. I assume it will roll forward.
**AS PHX-SFO MAR 0>2.0

Right now the intent is to serve the market for Cactus League Spring Training games (AS is the official airline of the San Francisco Giants) but may become regular service if it performs well.

AS press release on the aforementioned SFO-PHX seasonal service:

https://newsroom.alaskaair.com/2017-09- ... sco-Giants

Alaska will launch a seasonal, twice daily flight from San Francisco to Phoenix, Arizona for Giants fans to attend Spring Training in 2018. The flight schedule is being finalized and tickets will go on sale later this year.

cvgComair · Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:19 am

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apodino · Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:20 am

Does F9 already serve PVD? Those are significant adds if they don't.

cvgComair · Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:20 am

apodino wrote:
Does F9 already serve PVD? Those are significant adds if they don't.

Yes, they already operate flights from PVD to Orlando, Tampa, Denver, Fort Myers, Miami, Minneapolis/St. Paul, and New Orleans. Enilria put YOY changes, nothing on there has not already been announced.

enilria · Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:39 am

cvgComair wrote:
apodino wrote:
Does F9 already serve PVD? Those are significant adds if they don't.

Yes, they already operate flights from PVD to Orlando, Tampa, Denver, Fort Myers, Miami, Minneapolis/St. Paul, and New Orleans. Enilria put YOY changes, nothing on there has not already been announced.

The reductions were largely unknown I do believe.

Midwestindy · Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:45 am

cvgComair wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Looks like G4 is only allowing bookings through Tue May 15, 2018. So we will see what happens this tuesday....

I hope we will finally see what G4's international plans are, it will be interesting to see if anything comes of this.

Looks like OAK could see more flying announced, http://www.standard.net/Transportation/ ... ng-flights

"flights to Oakland, California, are tentatively set to begin sometime in the first quarter of 2018" I assume the Ogden-Oakland announcement would coincide with a larger system-wide announcement.

cvgComair · Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:50 am

enilria wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
apodino wrote:
Does F9 already serve PVD? Those are significant adds if they don't.

Yes, they already operate flights from PVD to Orlando, Tampa, Denver, Fort Myers, Miami, Minneapolis/St. Paul, and New Orleans. Enilria put YOY changes, nothing on there has not already been announced.

The reductions were largely unknown I do believe.

Yeah, the reductions were all new, but all the increases such as at PVD were already announced (and some have already started).

kabq737 · Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:44 am

I find it interesting that UA is adding more flights between ORD and ABQ. I wonder if UA and AA are putting pressure on WN. WN has been reducing their flights between MDW and ABQ recently.

Dominion301 · Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:18 am

cvgComair wrote:
enilria wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
Yes, they already operate flights from PVD to Orlando, Tampa, Denver, Fort Myers, Miami, Minneapolis/St. Paul, and New Orleans. Enilria put YOY changes, nothing on there has not already been announced.

The reductions were largely unknown I do believe.

Yeah, the reductions were all new, but all the increases such as at PVD were already announced (and some have already started).

All the F9 reductions here make sense in order to have enough aircraft to operate all the recently announced routes.

RWA380 · Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:26 am

ctrabs0114 wrote:
EA CO AS wrote:
enilria wrote:
Only loaded for about a month so far. I assume it will roll forward.
**AS PHX-SFO MAR 0>2.0

Right now the intent is to serve the market for Cactus League Spring Training games (AS is the official airline of the San Francisco Giants) but may become regular service if it performs well.

AS press release on the aforementioned SFO-PHX seasonal service:

https://newsroom.alaskaair.com/2017-09- ... sco-Giants

Alaska will launch a seasonal, twice daily flight from San Francisco to Phoenix, Arizona for Giants fans to attend Spring Training in 2018. The flight schedule is being finalized and tickets will go on sale later this year.

Just looked at fares online AS.com & $399 Y & 499 F are the only rates showing. I expect those will adjust? Since you can fly SFO-PDX for under $100 r/t.

klwright69 · Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:03 am

Interesting changes at UA. CLE-SJU finally bit the dust. They are also starting EWR-HAM in April. Earlier than in May clearly.
BQN being reduced. More Puerto Rico cuts.

PlanesNTrains · Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:56 am

Midwestindy wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:

Haha can’t I just be petty in piece

I actually don’t mind F9s route strategy too much, because at least it makes room for more reliable carriers to enter the markets they leave open.

Well, if it takes F9 trailblazing for them, that's not a ringing endorsement of their business plan.

Are you referring to a specific carrier? I wasn’t...

My "them" referred to your "more reliable carriers".

izbtmnhd · Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:47 pm

klwright69 wrote:
Interesting changes at UA. CLE-SJU finally bit the dust. They are also starting EWR-HAM in April. Earlier than in May clearly.
BQN being reduced. More Puerto Rico cuts.

CLE-SJU is likely being cut moreso because of Maria than the focus city drawdown so I do wonder if it will return if things stabilize. There's no other carrier on this route and there is pretty decent PR diaspora in Cleveland compared to other Midwest markets. We'll see.

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