DL 767-400's to receive Delta One Suites 2019

cessna2 · Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:11 pm

Delta has scheduled their 767-400's to receive the mods between Spring 2019 and Summer 2020, making them the third international fleet to receive them behind the A350 and B777. Eventually all the international fleet will receive mods to the new cabin. Glad to see these birds are getting the Mods and will be sticking around for awhile!

atlflyer · Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:28 pm

Good news. And will economy be upgraded as well?

readytotaxi · Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:41 pm

Wow, with that investment these birds will be around till what, 2025?

jbs2886 · Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:45 pm

readytotaxi wrote:
Wow, with that investment these birds will be around till what, 2025?

I don't think anyone expected them to get retired in the next few years - the planes are quite young. The average age is about 16 or so.

11725Flyer · Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:47 pm

I didn't think they'd be around that long. Good news!

redflyer · Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:52 pm

Gosh, it's about time. I avoid DL's 764 fleet any chance I get. That's how bad the legacy interiors are. Too bad the upgrades are still 2 - 3 years off.

airzona11 · Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:05 pm

redflyer wrote:
Gosh, it's about time. I avoid DL's 764 fleet any chance I get. That's how bad the legacy interiors are. Too bad the upgrades are still 2 - 3 years off.

They were the best in the fleet when they got their new (at the time cabins). With size of their overall fleet, I am sure DL will be re-arranging schedules to get the best product on the most competitive routes in the mean time, bc as you say, 3 years is a long time.

litz · Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:12 pm

Fascinating what kind of new life and experiences these planes are getting ... and to think, they were basically designed to provide a replacement for the L-1011 moving people to/from Disneyworld.

TransWorldOne · Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:03 pm

Interesting. Because of the more narrow cabin width, I am guessing that it will not be the exact same design as the 359. Unless DL goes 1-1-1 in J on the 764, it will just be the same seat but with doors, no?

jumbojet · Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:08 pm

TransWorldOne wrote:
Interesting. Because of the more narrow cabin width, I am guessing that it will not be the exact same design as the 359. Unless DL goes 1-1-1 in J on the 764, it will just be the same seat but with doors, no?

The DL 764 has 40 Delta One seats. I can easily see them going down to 36 or even 32.

As for the 763, the high density has 35 seats. You can probably count on them knocking 4 or so Delta One seats from those birds.

BojamDelta · Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:09 pm

As one of my favourite aircraft is there any chance we will see the B764 back at LHR?
They used to be very common here but now it's all B763 from the Delta side.
I've seen United bring a B764 in now and then?

BO)am

FSDan · Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:22 pm

airzona11 wrote:
I am sure DL will be re-arranging schedules to get the best product on the most competitive routes in the mean time, bc as you say, 3 years is a long time.

Hence why a few months back DL moved LHR to an all-763 station, whereas it had previously seen a lot of 764 action. This next summer DL will be increasing capacity to LHR, but the upgauges will be to 332 and 333 aircraft that have a better onboard product.

tlecam · Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:39 pm

Great news. I'm curious to see what mods will need to be made to the suites to fit in the 763 and 764.

jumbojet · Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:48 pm

tlecam wrote:
Great news. I'm curious to see what mods will need to be made to the suites to fit in the 763 and 764.

I would fathom a guess to look no further than UA's layout on the refurbs they are doing to their own 767 fleet.

EddieDude · Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:58 pm

tlecam wrote:
I'm curious to see what mods will need to be made to the suites to fit in the 763 and 764.

Good point. The seats are different no?

tjerome · Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:08 am

atlflyer wrote:
Good news. And will economy be upgraded as well?

Yes it will be a complete refresh of the interior.

I'll bet the table next to the seat will be narrower than what it looks like on the 350.

Osubuckeyes · Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:20 am

Have they announced that they will be eliminating the C+ section on the 777s & 764s as well?

cessna2 · Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:43 am

jumbojet wrote:
TransWorldOne wrote:
Interesting. Because of the more narrow cabin width, I am guessing that it will not be the exact same design as the 359. Unless DL goes 1-1-1 in J on the 764, it will just be the same seat but with doors, no?

The DL 764 has 40 Delta One seats. I can easily see them going down to 36 or even 32.

As for the 763, the high density has 35 seats. You can probably count on them knocking 4 or so Delta One seats from those birds.

In all honesty I wonder if any of the 763's get Mods. I would think the A330's go next. By the time they are done with the A330's they 763's will be up for replacement.

727200 · Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:45 am

They may only be 16 years old, but the design and technology are from the 80's; not exactly a modern ship. You know, with all the money DL has made they need to get rid of these dinosaur's they have been flying. Quit being so cheap to fly planes designed before your crews were born.

cessna2 · Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:46 am

Osubuckeyes wrote:
Have they announced that they will be eliminating the C+ section on the 777s & 764s as well?

Yes C+ will transition the new, and better, Premium Select cabin. The Premium Select cabin will have dedicated FA's, upgraded service ware (Think domestic first class), and upgraded meal options to set it apart from main cabin.

dirtyfrankd · Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:14 am

Meanwhile...AA 763s don't even have AVOD/PTVs...not even the refurbished ones. As a longtime AA fan boy, and someone who just recently worked there...this is frustrating.

tlecam · Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:41 am

727200 wrote:
They may only be 16 years old, but the design and technology are from the 80's; not exactly a modern ship. You know, with all the money DL has made they need to get rid of these dinosaur's they have been flying. Quit being so cheap to fly planes designed before your crews were born.

As a passenger, who cares?

DiamondFlyer · Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:41 am

727200 wrote:
They may only be 16 years old, but the design and technology are from the 80's; not exactly a modern ship. You know, with all the money DL has made they need to get rid of these dinosaur's they have been flying. Quit being so cheap to fly planes designed before your crews were born.

There are very few pilots at DL who weren't born before the 767-400 was dreamed of, let alone designed. Ever consider they make money because they carefully plan where to make large expenditures?

jumbojet · Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:47 am

tlecam wrote:
727200 wrote:
They may only be 16 years old, but the design and technology are from the 80's; not exactly a modern ship. You know, with all the money DL has made they need to get rid of these dinosaur's they have been flying. Quit being so cheap to fly planes designed before your crews were born.

As a passenger, who cares?

which is easily rebutted by this:

As an aviation enthusiast, its time to let go of old technology. I mean, for crying out loud, Singapore Air just let go of a few 10 year old A380's!

RWA380 · Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:02 am

litz wrote:
Fascinating what kind of new life and experiences these planes are getting ... and to think, they were basically designed to provide a replacement for the L-1011 moving people to/from Disneyworld.

They replaced the L-1011's to Hawaii as well. My first flight on a DL 764 was SLC-SFO-HNL in J, on the day of the closing ceremonies of the winter olympics in Salt Lake. The return SLC-HNL was also on the 764, first plane I ever flew in, with controls for onboard video games.

TransWorldOne · Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:19 am

727200 wrote:
They may only be 16 years old, but the design and technology are from the 80's; not exactly a modern ship. You know, with all the money DL has made they need to get rid of these dinosaur's they have been flying. Quit being so cheap to fly planes designed before your crews were born.

I get your point but...ummm...have you ever seen Delta's crews?

LAX772LR · Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:11 am

727200 wrote:
They may only be 16 years old, but the design and technology are from the 80's; not exactly a modern ship. You know, with all the money DL has made they need to get rid of these dinosaur's they have been flying. Quit being so cheap to fly planes designed before your crews were born.

Ridiculous statement. You have no idea what their cost vs benefit for maintaining those aircraft currently is.

Are newer aircraft more efficient to operate? Yes.

Efficient enough to offset the $1million+ per month they'd be paying in acquisition on each unit? DL currently doesn't think so, else they wouldn't be keeping them.

oldannyboy · Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:02 am

727200 wrote:
They may only be 16 years old, but the design and technology are from the 80's; not exactly a modern ship. You know, with all the money DL has made they need to get rid of these dinosaur's they have been flying. Quit being so cheap to fly planes designed before your crews were born.

You are quite wrong there. The 764 benefits from a lot of improvements done over the course of a long 'career', including adopting quite a bit of 777 technology. In terms of performance, fuel consumption, cockpit technology and cabin fixtures they are by all means more comparable to any given 777 than to the older 763s.

oldannyboy · Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:05 am

airzona11 wrote:
redflyer wrote:
Gosh, it's about time. I avoid DL's 764 fleet any chance I get. That's how bad the legacy interiors are. Too bad the upgrades are still 2 - 3 years off.

They were the best in the fleet when they got their new (at the time cabins). With size of their overall fleet, I am sure DL will be re-arranging schedules to get the best product on the most competitive routes in the mean time, bc as you say, 3 years is a long time.

I agree...love the 764, but 3 years is a very long time. For all we know the DL Suite might even be obsolete by then...

evank516 · Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:34 pm

litz wrote:
Fascinating what kind of new life and experiences these planes are getting ... and to think, they were basically designed to provide a replacement for the L-1011 moving people to/from Disneyworld.

Very true! Ironically my first of two DL flights on the 764 was from ATL-MCO. Second was ATL-JFK.

JamesCousins · Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:21 pm

11725Flyer wrote:
I didn't think they'd be around that long. Good news!

With DL's record of plane age it's hardly surprising

Good to see perfectly great planes being used for years to come! (Even if I do prefer flying on the 787/A321 for example)

727200 · Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:56 pm

You are quite wrong there. The 764 benefits from a lot of improvements done over the course of a long 'career', including adopting quite a bit of 777 technology. In terms of performance, fuel consumption, cockpit technology and cabin fixtures they are by all means more comparable to any given 777 than to the older 763s.[/quote]

Benefits? Have you walked onto the flight deck and taken a look at the electronics of the 400? These planes were produced in the 1990s; so design was long before that. I don't know, maybe we have different interpretations of 'newer design' but something that was produced at least 20 years ago and designed before that is not current based technology. At least not on the planes I have flown. It may work and perform the functions, but with technology changing so fast in the last 20 years, electronics may be out of date by the time they are produced.

jumbojet · Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:18 pm

cessna2 wrote:
[In all honesty I wonder if any of the 763's get Mods. I would think the A330's go next. By the time they are done with the A330's they 763's will be up for replacement.

your right, no mods for the 763's, to old a fleet indeed. I don't know why I included seating #'s for the 763's. The A330's wont get them for a while as a lot of those birds are new and the seats are just fine. Delta isn't in the practice of blowing out the budget on CAPEX like United does so I wouldn't look for D1 suites on the A330's any time soon,

ScrantonUSC · Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:32 pm

Great news for economy travelers with a +1. This means they will be keeping the 767 in rotation for a while. I always seek out a 767 or A330 when traveling with the wife.

Lhok13 · Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:36 pm

727200 wrote:
Benefits? Have you walked onto the flight deck and taken a look at the electronics of the 400? These planes were produced in the 1990s; so design was long before that. I don't know, maybe we have different interpretations of 'newer design' but something that was produced at least 20 years ago and designed before that is not current based technology. At least not on the planes I have flown. It may work and perform the functions, but with technology changing so fast in the last 20 years, electronics may be out of date by the time they are produced.

Should every airplane that doesn't have the newest technology in it be scrapped then? Do you refuse to fly on a 737NG or even the MAX because the design is from the 60's?

Narfish641 · Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:59 pm

About time! They need it so badly!

NateGreat · Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:26 am

TransWorldOne wrote:
Interesting. Because of the more narrow cabin width, I am guessing that it will not be the exact same design as the 359. Unless DL goes 1-1-1 in J on the 764, it will just be the same seat but with doors, no?

United went 1-1-1 on the 763s for the Polaris retrofit.

LAXLHR · Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:56 am

727200 wrote:
They may only be 16 years old, but the design and technology are from the 80's; not exactly a modern ship. You know, with all the money DL has made they need to get rid of these dinosaur's they have been flying. Quit being so cheap to fly planes designed before your crews were born.

1970s!

alfa164 · Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:29 am

cessna2 wrote:
Osubuckeyes wrote:
Have they announced that they will be eliminating the C+ section on the 777s & 764s as well?

Yes C+ will transition the new, and better, Premium Select cabin. The Premium Select cabin will have dedicated FA's, upgraded service ware (Think domestic first class), and upgraded meal options to set it apart from main cabin.

I still don't understand why they Delta doesn't offer their Comfort+ product as well on these planes. I am sure Premium Economy will be a substantial jump in price; Comfort+ offers the chance for someone who wants a little more comfort than regular coach - but without the price hike all the way to Premium Economy - to spend a few more dollars with Delta. It also gives Delta the opportunity to upgrade their most loyal flyers; I understand even Diamond members will not get complimentary upgrades to Premium Economy, much less to the suites.

Am I correct?

Austin787 · Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:30 am

727200 wrote:
They may only be 16 years old, but the design and technology are from the 80's; not exactly a modern ship. You know, with all the money DL has made they need to get rid of these dinosaur's they have been flying. Quit being so cheap to fly planes designed before your crews were born.

I find this comment ironic, given your screen name. With your logic, DL should also retire its A330s and A319/320/321 since they are also designed in the 80's. For that matter, I guess you think Delta should retire its A330NEO and A321NEO as soon as they receive them because they are based on an 80's design.

deltal1011man · Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:57 am

727200 wrote:
Benefits? Have you walked onto the flight deck and taken a look at the electronics of the 400? These planes were produced in the 1990s; so design was long before that. I don't know, maybe we have different interpretations of 'newer design' but something that was produced at least 20 years ago and designed before that is not current based technology. At least not on the planes I have flown. It may work and perform the functions, but with technology changing so fast in the last 20 years, electronics may be out of date by the time they are produced.

I have.

either you don't know what you are talking about you you expect Delta to retire every airplane they have and replace them with 787s and A350s.

alfa164 wrote:
cessna2 wrote:
Osubuckeyes wrote:
Have they announced that they will be eliminating the C+ section on the 777s & 764s as well?

Yes C+ will transition the new, and better, Premium Select cabin. The Premium Select cabin will have dedicated FA's, upgraded service ware (Think domestic first class), and upgraded meal options to set it apart from main cabin.

I still don't understand why they Delta doesn't offer their Comfort+ product as well on these planes. I am sure Premium Economy will be a substantial jump in price; Comfort+ offers the chance for someone who wants a little more comfort than regular coach - but without the price hike all the way to Premium Economy - to spend a few more dollars with Delta. It also gives Delta the opportunity to upgrade their most loyal flyers; I understand even Diamond members will not get complimentary upgrades to Premium Economy, much less to the suites.

Am I correct?

I don't think so. I think they get comp upgrades to PS. Could be wrong though.

My guess as to why they aren't keeping C+ is it lines the product offering up closer to Virgin. From what I remember Virgin just does C/W/Y.

Also I am fairly sure the D1S seats will fit in the 767 if they do 1-1-1 then 1-2-1 and repeat.

NateGreat · Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:30 pm

Austin787 wrote:
727200 wrote:
They may only be 16 years old, but the design and technology are from the 80's; not exactly a modern ship. You know, with all the money DL has made they need to get rid of these dinosaur's they have been flying. Quit being so cheap to fly planes designed before your crews were born.

I find this comment ironic, given your screen name. With your logic, DL should also retire its A330s and A319/320/321 since they are also designed in the 80's. For that matter, I guess you think Delta should retire its A330NEO and A321NEO as soon as they receive them because they are based on an 80's design.

Hell, the 737s date back to like the late-1960s!!

727200 · Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:07 pm

No they don't. You have been reading too many of the fan boys mail on this. If you are a pilot or have ever flown, walk in the cockpit and tell me that is a 737-100.

OA412 · Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:24 pm

tlecam wrote:
727200 wrote:
They may only be 16 years old, but the design and technology are from the 80's; not exactly a modern ship. You know, with all the money DL has made they need to get rid of these dinosaur's they have been flying. Quit being so cheap to fly planes designed before your crews were born.

As a passenger, who cares?

Not to mention the 767s 2-3-2 Y configuration beats the pants off any other widebody's Y configuration.

flymco753 · Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:54 pm

It makes me wonder if they'll re-deploy the 764 on MCO-GRU. Most of what MCO-Brazil is though, is back filling as opposed to front. Maybe DL will redeploy the 764 on premium heavy routes for D1.

CaliguyNYC · Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:22 am

Virgin has prem Econ and extra legroom seats in Y (I forget what they call them). Diamonds and Plats get these seats for free. I think DL should have Comfort + when they have prem Econ. They are following AF which does not have a lot of extra legroom seats in Y - hence why I avoid AF when flying Y.

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