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qf789 wrote:
qf789 wrote:Absolutely, if they are offering a "no find, no fee" deal they must be pretty confident of fin
Kiwirob wrote:Well considering the US navy's all singing and dancing P8 couldn't find the Argentine sub, finding MH370 when nobody has a clue where it went down is going to be next to impossible. It's a massive waste of money looking for this aircraft.
SomebodyInTLS wrote:synanthropic wrote:I do believe one day we will be able to find the remains of this flight. We will not ever be able to piece together why it happened, of course, but perhaps we will be able to understand what happened.
Just curious - if we can find out what happened, why the certainty that we'll never know why? Or are you already "certain" that the pilot did it?
Balerit wrote:Well the best example is SA295, The Helderberg. It was the deepest salvage operation ever undertaken and to this day we still don't know the cause. Look at TWA 800, I don't think they came to the correct conclusion to that either.
Arion640 wrote:Hmmmm my personal opinion is that It cannot be found. It disintergrated on impact similar to how there was little left from the germanwings crash.
WIederling wrote:Balerit wrote:Well the best example is SA295, The Helderberg. It was the deepest salvage operation ever undertaken and to this day we still don't know the cause. Look at TWA 800, I don't think they came to the correct conclusion to that either.
The Helderberg investigation was not without effect. ( and the way the crash site was determined rather interesting.)
It caused reevaluation of Combi layouts.
TWA800: what would be your assessmet?
awthompson wrote:Arion640 wrote:Hmmmm my personal opinion is that It cannot be found. It disintergrated on impact similar to how there was little left from the germanwings crash.
I don't mean to be argumentative with you but MH370 did not completely disintegrate as did the Germanwings A320. Already a flaperon from MH370 was found washed up largely intact as well as a number of other pieces. The flaperon is a relatively large control surface (approx 2.4 X 1.6 metres) and in my opinion the damage it exhibits only to the trailing edge (mainly) suggests a controlled ditching with the flaperons (hence flaps) in the down position.
This piece of information likely also gives the search effort added confidence that there will be quite large pieces on the ocean bed to be found.
neomax wrote:LoganTheBogan wrote:Great news! I'm really hoping they locate something and I have a feeling they will. A company that has secured a deal like that will do anything to find it.
Nothing on this earth can remain hidden forever. It may take decades to find the remains or some underwater submersible may accidentally stumble across it 7 months from today. Who knows? But one thing is certain, it will be found. There is a finite amount of space on this earth and only so many places it could be. There is a certain point where everything given enough time will be accomplished. It has been several years, and I don't think it will be more than 6 or 7 months before someone realizes they've found the wreckage.
qf789 wrote:
Balerit wrote:If you now take TWA Flight 800, UAL Flight 811, Pan Am Flight 103, and Air India Flight 182 and China Airlines Flight 611, they all point to section 41 structural failure. In fact we had to do special inspections of the area on our B747's and the hardest part was removing the FEO's station to get to the structure where cracked frames were found and all this around the time of the Air India disaster, so the powers that be new exactly what was causing the problem.
A link to some photos:
http://www.iasa.com.au/folders/Safety_Issues/others/aCI-611opinionn.html
gzm wrote:I do not want to quote a specific poster but do you guys really believe that if they find something it might not have been planted there on purpose or that they didn't have all the time in the world to do so? I guess this one is more complicated than some people think... They will never let us know the truth.
gzm wrote:I do not want to quote a specific poster but do you guys really believe that if they find something it might not have been planted there on purpose or that they didn't have all the time in the world to do so? I guess this one is more complicated than some people think... They will never let us know the truth.
danman132x wrote:JannEejit wrote:Apologies if covered in previous discussions, but how long can a black box physically survive in a deep ocean environment, both in a sense of it retaining useful data and before literally disintegrating ? Is this scenario tested in certification protocols ?
I'm wondering the same thing. After years, surely there will be salt water penetration into the flight recorders. Plus all the pressure on top of it. Will the data even be usable..
Dutchy wrote:ikolkyo wrote:FoxtrotSierra wrote:
I think you mean the needle.
I think what he means is first find the general area then go in for “needle” aka the aircraft.
Bingo, that's exactly what I meant. It is a very big ocean and endless sea of nothingness.
777Jet wrote:How far along do y'all really think the 'experts' are in accurately narrowing down the correct area?
scbriml wrote:Please don't contaminate this thread with that nonsense. There's a thread in non-av precisely for that purpose.
piedmontf284000 wrote:"Malaysia’s Deputy Transport Minister Ab Aziz Kaprawi said in October Ocean Infinity would be paid between $US20 and $US70 million if they find the aircraft within 90 days of beginning the search"
While I don't ever believe this aircraft will ever be found (broke up IMO), I think that it is an exorbitant amount of money finder's fee for any government to pay.
I guess this is more about the Malaysian government appeasing the victims families, then the Malaysian government believing it can be found.
Pampot70 wrote:piedmontf284000 wrote:"Malaysia’s Deputy Transport Minister Ab Aziz Kaprawi said in October Ocean Infinity would be paid between $US20 and $US70 million if they find the aircraft within 90 days of beginning the search"
While I don't ever believe this aircraft will ever be found (broke up IMO), I think that it is an exorbitant amount of money finder's fee for any government to pay.
I guess this is more about the Malaysian government appeasing the victims families, then the Malaysian government believing it can be found.
I am not sure either you or I read correctly the fee amount, but 20-70 million USD is nothing in the budget of any goverment. Malaysia in 2009 (wikipedia source) spent 4078 million USD for military. Just compare...
piedmontf284000 wrote:Pampot70 wrote:piedmontf284000 wrote:"Malaysia’s Deputy Transport Minister Ab Aziz Kaprawi said in October Ocean Infinity would be paid between $US20 and $US70 million if they find the aircraft within 90 days of beginning the search"
While I don't ever believe this aircraft will ever be found (broke up IMO), I think that it is an exorbitant amount of money finder's fee for any government to pay.
I guess this is more about the Malaysian government appeasing the victims families, then the Malaysian government believing it can be found.
I am not sure either you or I read correctly the fee amount, but 20-70 million USD is nothing in the budget of any goverment. Malaysia in 2009 (wikipedia source) spent 4078 million USD for military. Just compare...
A defense budget, which includes artillery, manpower, ships, tanks, buildings, etc is one thing. At least there are some tangible assets. For 70 million, the country is asking some one to go out and find the plane. Mind you, not to recover it, just find it.
MillwallSean wrote:A lot of discussion about finding MH370. Id like to expand on the reason for why I believe that the search has been resumed.
My guess is that since 2018 is election year in MY, the basis for the resumption is political. With Ramadan coming in May to June, the election more or less needs to be held before May.
There is thus alot of incentive for the Malaysian government to be seen doing something about MH370.
I thus dont think that new leads have much to do with the restart of the search but rather politics. Having a search ongoing takes the issue off the political agenda. It reduces the potential for the opposition to question, what is a sore point in Malaysia. Not that the opposition will win anyway, the steam has run out of them but there is no need to have MH370 in any news unless its positive such.
On a similar note, to the currency traders, the RM has started to appreciate. The economic fundamentals for that rise is hard to understand, so my humble guess is that the RM will continue appreciating until election-day.
Cynical perhaps, but with that said, I truly hope they will locate the plane. It would do wonders for the relatives and close a national wound.
scbriml wrote:gzm wrote:I do not want to quote a specific poster but do you guys really believe that if they find something it might not have been planted there on purpose or that they didn't have all the time in the world to do so? I guess this one is more complicated than some people think... They will never let us know the truth.
Please don't contaminate this thread with that nonsense. There's a thread in non-av precisely for that purpose.
aerorobnz wrote:More good money will be thrown down the drain. If it gets located quickly then fine, but if it drags on as badly as the last search then it is an incredible waste of taxpayer money (especially per taxpayer) from first Australia, China, Malaysia and now just Malaysia. 200 million and counting, and far more than most of the victims would have generated in a lifetime with tax contributions.
neomax wrote:Nothing on this earth can remain hidden forever. It may take decades to find the remains or some underwater submersible may accidentally stumble across it 7 months from today. Who knows? But one thing is certain, it will be found. There is a finite amount of space on this earth and only so many places it could be. There is a certain point where everything given enough time will be accomplished. It has been several years, and I don't think it will be more than 6 or 7 months before someone realizes they've found the wreckage.
spacecadet wrote:The money is inconsequential.
In an exclusive interview with The Australian ahead of the signing tonight of a contract with the Malaysian government, Ocean Infinity chief executive Oliver Plunkett said the ship Seabed Constructor was expected to be on station in the search zone in the southern Indian Ocean on January 17
seat55a wrote:Does anybody know the history of the company Ocean Infinity? Do they have one at all, or is it a new partnership? Nothing on their website about previous jobs (did I miss it?). Google doesn't turn up anything but equipment purchases and puff closely related to this story.
They don't own or manage the ship (Swire does).
Seems like this mission is an advertising loss leader - financed by venture cap perhaps? And a shakedown for their new software and toys.
WarrenPlatts wrote:Well, there's this: http://mh370.radiantphysics.com/2017/10 ... /#comments
It turns out they found fragments of flight simulation flights dating from February 2, 2014 on a disconnected hard drive belonging to the PIC. It depicts an apparent simulation of MH150 (Kuala Lumpur to Jedda), that was diverted to the South Indian Ocean and ran to fuel exhaustion, apparently headed for McMurdo station in Antarctica. It turns out the PIC was PIC of MH150 on February 4. This would seem to indicate a certain amount of planning, and opens the possibility of control inputs at the very end of the flight, entailing that the wreckage could be up to two full degrees of latitude below the final BTO line-of-position....
456 wrote:Is there some website where we can follow the progress? eg. Are they already searching/are there regular updates on what they have found?
(or is there maybe a flightradar for boats, where the boat from Ocean Infinity can be seen on)
United787 wrote:I have not been following the threads on MH370 for several years so please forgive me but is this true?
BaconButty wrote:Another couple of developments since MH370 moved to non-av and the entertaining world of Spycatcher. Other RMP reports were leaked. The investigation into the Captains personal and work life was thorough and showed no anomalies, and the voice analysis - especially who said "Good Night Malaysian Three Seven Zero" - was not as conclusive as suggested.
This stuff is from my memory - the latter two were on Jeff Wises blog (jeffwise.net) and the flight sim stuff was on mh370.radiantphysics.com.
777Jet wrote:why was ONLY this cell phone (and not the cell phones of any of the other 200+ SOB who might have left their cell phone on too) detected by this tower and not by any other tower along the route,