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2017 Small Community Air Svc Development Program

Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:40 pm

After a half year delay, the DOT is back soliciting grant applications for its Small Community Air Development (SCASD) program.

SCASD is meant to help communities enhance air transportation by providing temporary financial support.

Grants can be utilized to attract new air-service by establishing revenue guarantees, cost offsets, or marketing support. Additionally, grant funding can be utilized to help retain or expand current service, plus for various airport facility upgrades in order to make them more attractive for air service providers.

As in past years, the priority selection criteria the DOT shall consider includes:

o Communities with air fares are higher than the national average
o The community covers a portion of the cost from local non airport revenue sources
o Communities willing establish private-public partnership to facilitate new or improved air carrier service to the public
o Provide benefits to a broader segment of the traveling public, whose access to the national air transportation system is limited
o Proposal can be implemented within a reasonable timetable and the grant monies will be used in a timely manner.

For FY17 DOT plans to have $10 million available for grants.

Applications are due to the DOT by December 15th.


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Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:28 pm

Let's just nip this in the bud before it comes up as an issue, since it happens every time -

SCASD is not the same thing as EAS!
 
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Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:10 pm

HPRamper wrote:
Let's just nip this in the bud before it comes up as an issue, since it happens every time -

SCASD is not the same thing as EAS!


Well played.
 
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Sat Oct 14, 2017 12:01 am

LOL and only 1/30th the amount.
I love to see some of these dead on arrival ideas some of these ideas places think have a shot.
I hope Alpine TX tries to get $$ to have someone fly a 206 from MAF on Tuesdays so I can go there a couple of times haha.
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Re: 2017 Small Community Air Svc Development Program

Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:32 am

HPRamper wrote:
Let's just nip this in the bud before it comes up as an issue, since it happens every time -

SCASD is not the same thing as EAS!


Money better spent to service more people than the EAS money pit. Let the market determine where airlines fly to. With the pilot shortage, its a waste of crew personnel to fly 2,3,or 5 passengers when they could be better utilized flying 50 seaters.
 
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Re: 2017 Small Community Air Svc Development Program

Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:45 am

cheapgreek wrote:
HPRamper wrote:
Let's just nip this in the bud before it comes up as an issue, since it happens every time -

SCASD is not the same thing as EAS!


Money better spent to service more people than the EAS money pit. Let the market determine where airlines fly to. With the pilot shortage, its a waste of crew personnel to fly 2,3,or 5 passengers when they could be better utilized flying 50 seaters.


The flights with fewer than 10 pax on them are almost always Part 135, those pilots cannot legally fly 50 seaters under the new hour requirements. Part of the reason we've seen Part 135 EAS flying explode over the last few years is because it's a good way to build hours until you have enough to fly Part 121.
 
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Re: 2017 Small Community Air Svc Development Program

Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:33 pm

Here is a summary of applications for the delayed 2017 program.



Montgomery, Alabama
Seeking $750,000 grant combined with 275,000 local funding to establish revenue guarantee for proposed United regional service to Houston.

Fairbanks. Alaska
Request $750,000 funding matched with $197,000 local contribution for marketing support and revenue guarantee for nonstop link to a San Francisco, Los Angeles or Phoenix hub.

Tucson, Arizona
Seeks $750,000 grant matched by $350,000 local cash for marketing and revenue guarantee to reestablish air service to DC(BWI) by WN.

Yuma, Arizona
Desires $700,000 matched with $524,000 in local contribution to help establish and provide revenue guarantee to reestablish service to Denver by United.

Bakersfield, California
Seeks $500,000 along with $170,000 community pledge to fund minimum revenue guarantee to reestablish nonstop service to Texas, to either DFW or IAH hubs.

Monterey, California
Request grant of $950,000 matched with $518,000 in funds to establish year-round link to large national hubs of DEN or DFW by UA or AA.

Sonoma County, California
Applies for $650,000 grant with $462,000 local contributions for the establishment of link to a major national hub at DEN by UA.

Vero Beach, Florida
Seeks $150,000 award supported by $100,000 local funds for marketing support, fee waiver and ground service cost offset for existing airline to pursue and launch additional routes.

Athens, Georgia
Request $735,000 accompanied by $255,000 local cash match to provide marketing support, ground handling cost offset and revenue guarantee to recruit service to NYC, DC or CLT.

Augusta, Georgia
Seeks $800,000 federal grant supported by $820,000 local cash and in-kind contributions to fund a minimum revenue guarantee and marketing support for air service to DC on either AA or UA.

Idaho Falls, Idaho
Request $750,000 supported by $196,000 in local contributions to recruit year-round service to SEA.


More later....
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Re: 2017 Small Community Air Svc Development Program

Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:48 pm

cheapgreek wrote:
HPRamper wrote:
Let's just nip this in the bud before it comes up as an issue, since it happens every time -

SCASD is not the same thing as EAS!


Money better spent to service more people than the EAS money pit. Let the market determine where airlines fly to. With the pilot shortage, its a waste of crew personnel to fly 2,3,or 5 passengers when they could be better utilized flying 50 seaters.

How can you just state "let the market decide" when seemingly arbitrary adjustments to pilot hours goes from 250 to 1500, C-series imports are stymied due to trade issues, scope clauses prohibit right-size A/C for use on the most deserving routes, mergers approved to squeeze competition down to just 4 major players. You cant just throw out free market jargon with all these constraints in place.
 
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Re: 2017 Small Community Air Svc Development Program

Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:52 pm

Omg Fairbanks to Phoenix. Just connect in SEA... jesus.
 
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Re: 2017 Small Community Air Svc Development Program

Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:55 pm

Seems to be a lot more applications than normal (I counted 51 applicants).
LAXintl wrote:
Here is a summary of applications for the delayed 2017 program.

Montgomery, Alabama
Seeking $750,000 grant combined with 275,000 local funding to establish revenue guarantee for proposed United regional service to Houston.

Targeting 2-3x daily CR2s from IAH, seems pretty wishful.

Fairbanks. Alaska
Request $750,000 funding matched with $197,000 local contribution for marketing support and revenue guarantee for nonstop link to a San Francisco, Los Angeles or Phoenix hub.

Appears to be a very AA targeted application. Most of the support and documentation goes into detail on LAX or PHX with AA. The supporting briefs for SFO are pretty weak and target AS while only UA has filed a supporting brief for SFO.

Tucson, Arizona
Seeks $750,000 grant matched by $350,000 local cash for marketing and revenue guarantee to reestablish air service to DC(BWI) by WN.

The application seems to forget that they have just gotten service to CLT as an east coast link (and a far more powerful one when it comes to connections).

Yuma, Arizona
Desires $700,000 matched with $524,000 in local contribution to help establish and provide revenue guarantee to reestablish service to Denver by United.

Looking for 2x daily on the CRJ
Bakersfield, California
Seeks $500,000 along with $170,000 community pledge to fund minimum revenue guarantee to reestablish nonstop service to Texas, to either DFW or IAH hubs.

Badly needed service, BFL sees so much leakage as a result of the service cut.
Monterey, California
Request grant of $950,000 matched with $518,000 in funds to establish year-round link to large national hubs of DEN or DFW by UA or AA.

Looking for 1x E75 daily to either airport, I'd give it a bigger shot of a CR9 to DFW on Mesa.
Sonoma County, California
Applies for $650,000 grant with $462,000 local contributions for the establishment of link to a major national hub at DEN by UA.

I fail to see how they need this, with all the service that has been recently thrown into the market, it seems the market is pretty well served. Also, they add in the RDD & ACV areas as part of the STS catchment area which just seems illogical that someone would drive three plus hours just to then connect again.

Augusta, Georgia
Seeks $800,000 federal grant supported by $820,000 local cash and in-kind contributions to fund a minimum revenue guarantee and marketing support for air service to DC on either AA or UA.

I see UA as being the more likely one here only because of the slot issue at DCA.

Idaho Falls, Idaho
Request $750,000 supported by $196,000 in local contributions to recruit year-round service to SEA.

Seems to me they could do better than SEA, but that's just me.
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Re: 2017 Small Community Air Svc Development Program

Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:03 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Here is a summary of applications for the delayed 2017 program.



Montgomery, Alabama
Seeking $750,000 grant combined with 275,000 local funding to establish revenue guarantee for proposed United regional service to Houston.

Fairbanks. Alaska
Request $750,000 funding matched with $197,000 local contribution for marketing support and revenue guarantee for nonstop link to a San Francisco, Los Angeles or Phoenix hub.

Tucson, Arizona
Seeks $750,000 grant matched by $350,000 local cash for marketing and revenue guarantee to reestablish air service to DC(BWI) by WN.

Yuma, Arizona
Desires $700,000 matched with $524,000 in local contribution to help establish and provide revenue guarantee to reestablish service to Denver by United.

Bakersfield, California
Seeks $500,000 along with $170,000 community pledge to fund minimum revenue guarantee to reestablish nonstop service to Texas, to either DFW or IAH hubs.

Monterey, California
Request grant of $950,000 matched with $518,000 in funds to establish year-round link to large national hubs of DEN or DFW by UA or AA.

Sonoma County, California
Applies for $650,000 grant with $462,000 local contributions for the establishment of link to a major national hub at DEN by UA.

Vero Beach, Florida
Seeks $150,000 award supported by $100,000 local funds for marketing support, fee waiver and ground service cost offset for existing airline to pursue and launch additional routes.

Athens, Georgia
Request $735,000 accompanied by $255,000 local cash match to provide marketing support, ground handling cost offset and revenue guarantee to recruit service to NYC, DC or CLT.

Augusta, Georgia
Seeks $800,000 federal grant supported by $820,000 local cash and in-kind contributions to fund a minimum revenue guarantee and marketing support for air service to DC on either AA or UA.

Idaho Falls, Idaho
Request $750,000 supported by $196,000 in local contributions to recruit year-round service to SEA.
More later....


MGY-IAH, MRY-DEN, and SRS-DEN were each in my UA predictions in the UA Network Thread.
MGY-IAH 20x weekly ERJ seems possible. UA should look at Waco, Talahasse, San Angelo, Key West, and Wichita Falls out of IAH as well.
LSE-DTW was requested by La Crosse for Delta Connection as well.
HHH-DC/NYC was looked for by Hilton Head, I think DL to ATL would be more sustainable for them though.

Please OO, look at RIW-DEN and IMT-ORD though...!
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Re: 2017 Small Community Air Svc Development Program

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Evansville, Indiana
Request $500,000 federal grant with $150,000 local cash contribution for revenue guarantee and marketing support for link to Northeast hubs in DC, PHL, NYC or BOS

Gary, Indiana
Seeks $750,000 grant award with $361,000 local contribution for revenue guarantee, fee waivers and marketing support for new lowcost air service link to DEN on F9 or DFW on NK.

Sioux City, Iowa
Desires grant of $650,000 with $774,940 in local funds and contributions for fee waivers, marketing support and revenue guarantee reestablish air service to DEN by Skywest Airlines

Topeka, Kansas
Applies for $750,000 grant with $250,000 community funds for revenue guarantee to establish airlink to DFW

Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Request $650,000 award with $430,000 local fund and inkind contributions for marketing, fee waivers and revenue guarantee establish new air service to upper plains/northeast hubs at ORD, MSP, EWR or PHL.

Shreveport, Louisiana
Seeks $300,000 grant award supported by $150,000 local cash funds for overall regional marketing media efforts to support existing air services

Salisbury/Ocean City, Maryland
Applying for $750,000 grant supported by $400,000 local contributions to provide marketing support, and revenue grantees for air service to Florida markets and hub connectivity in CLT or DC.

Marquette, Michigan
Request $200,000 award supported by $25,000 in local funding to provide marketing support of existing air service while targeting increased frequency service.

Duluth, Minnesota
Ask for $500,000 grant supplemented by $146,700 in local cash and in-kind contribution to for marketing and fee waivers in support of year-round service to Mesa Arizona

Rochester, Minnesota
Applies for $750,000 federal grant, along with $701,000 local funding and contributions to provide fee waivers, marketing support and revenue guarantees to for nonstops to key leisure markets such as LAS, MCO and PHX regions.

Jackson, Mississippi
Desires $350,000 award along with $210,000 local funds and in-kind contributions, for cost offset, fee waivers, marketing support and revenue guarantee for new service to 3 targeted markets - BNA, DEN and MCO.

Tunica, Mississippi
Seeks $350,000 funds supported by $80,000 community contribution for to help with reinstatement of air service at the airport on public charters contracted through Elite Airways.


More later..
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Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:07 pm

32andBelow wrote:
Omg Fairbanks to Phoenix. Just connect in SEA... jesus.


Most people do connect in either SEA or ANC, but that doesn't mean there isn't demand for a nonstop with a better yield. Likewise adding a non-stop frees up seats on the SEA/ANC connections for other cities.
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Re: 2017 Small Community Air Svc Development Program

Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:08 pm

Hmmm as a usual supporter of any new service, all of these seem like a waste of funds. If as some places say it is badly needed, I would think an airline would already fly it. I do not recall anyone ever dong DEN-YUM nonstop in the past. Love how these places are asking for funds to promote competition to air service they already have. Seems the carriers already serving there would resent city soliciting to help take pax from me.
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Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:18 pm

JAN-BNA seems a little random, right? Am I missing some link between the cities?
 
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Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:33 pm

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JAN-BNA seems a little random, right? Am I missing some link between the cities?

Its the top secret UA plan to dismantle IAH and move its operation to BNA, getting the Southeastern U.S. hub it wants. You're the first to know about it. :wink2:
The Russians demanded it in exchange for putting together a "DL Dossier" to give to the government so they can prosecute DL for its evil to DTW. :smile:
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Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:13 pm

It's interesting to note how many of these are to reestablish links to hub airports.

LAXintl wrote:

Salisbury/Ocean City, Maryland
Applying for $750,000 grant supported by $400,000 local contributions to provide marketing support, and revenue grantees for air service to Florida markets and hub connectivity in CLT or DC.
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Doesn't AA already fly SBY-CLT?
 
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TYSflyer wrote:
JAN-BNA seems a little random, right? Am I missing some link between the cities?


Nissan.

Beyond that, and somewhat like TUP-BNA, it's a harder drive than it ought to be given the "as the crow flies" distance because of the lack of a direct interstate (or even good four-lane road) connection.
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Bakersfield, California
Seeks $500,000 along with $170,000 community pledge to fund minimum revenue guarantee to reestablish nonstop service to Texas, to either DFW or IAH hubs.

BFL's proposal did not have a support letter from UA for IAH service. It only has a support letter from AA for DFW flights. The application says if attracting DFW or IAH is not successful, then BFL would ask that the funds be amended to allow them to be used for service to SLC or SEA. But in recent years, the DOT has been reluctant to allow grant funds to be shifted away from the listed routes targeted in the application (perhaps they think if they mention alternatives now that it might help in the future).

Although BFL lists Chevron as a partner for community funding, Chevron has announced that they are laying off 26% of their workforce around Bakersfield in 2018.
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Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:31 pm

AVLAirlineFreq wrote:
It's interesting to note how many of these are to reestablish links to hub airports.

LAXintl wrote:

Salisbury/Ocean City, Maryland
Applying for $750,000 grant supported by $400,000 local contributions to provide marketing support, and revenue grantees for air service to Florida markets and hub connectivity in CLT or DC.


Doesn't AA already fly SBY-CLT?


They indeed do, 2x a day on DH3s.

The target for the funds is the promotion of existing service to CLT and the new service to BWI for easier links to Florida.
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Re: 2017 Small Community Air Svc Development Program

Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:52 pm

Is there a link to a list or applications?
 
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Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:01 pm

stburke wrote:
Is there a link to a list or applications?


They are all available on regulations.gov if you search for them. The docket ID is DOT-OST-2017-0155.
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Atlantic City, New Jersey
Requesting $500,000 grant money supplemented by $160,000 community funds and in-kind contributions for fee waivers, marketing and revenue guarantees to support service to DC metro.

Famington, New Mexico
Applies for $850,000 award combined with $300,000 local match for marketing, fee waivers and revenue guarantee to restore service to major regional hubs in DEN, SLC, PHX or LAX by Skywest Airlines.

Binghampton, New York
Seeks grant of $750,000 with $705,000 in local incentives to help obtain service ti a southern hub in DC, CLT or DC.

Elmira, New York
Desires $275,000 federal grant supported by $156,000 in local cash and in-kind contributions for regional media marketing support of recently announced new United service to EWR and for incumbent services.

Ithaca, New York
Request $750,000 award supplemented by $1.04mil in community cash and in-kind contributions for fee waivers, marketing support and revenue guarantee for new air service to ORD on AA or UA.

Syracuse, New York
Applies for $400,000 grant award combined with $535,000 local cash and in-kind contributions for fee waivers, marketing support and revenue guarantees to initiate new service to western hub DEN by United Express partner.

Greenville, North Carolina
Request $750,000 with $675,000 local cash and in-kind support to serve as basis for revenue guarantee and marketing support to key regional hub of Atlanta by Delta regional partner Skywest Airlines.

Tulsa, Oklahoma
Applies for $750,000 supported by $950,000 as fee waivers, revenue guarantee and marketing support to connect region with Pacific Northwest hub in SEA on AS or DL.

North Bend, Oregon
Desires $750,000 federal grant award along matched with $250,000 local cash funds as fee waiver, cost offset, marketing support and revenue guarantees to restore service to PDX.

Erie, Pennsylvania
Seeks $320,000 supplementing $80,000 in local funds to support media marketing program in support of existing air service to eventually encourage increased frequencies or markets from incumbent carriers.
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Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:13 pm

Only North Bend and Farmington should be considered of the ones so far IMO.
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LaxIntl apologies if this is inappropriate, but I’m new to the forum so I cannot PM you. I’ve posted a question for you please.
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Re: 2017 Small Community Air Svc Development Program

Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:15 am

Here is the last bunch.


Florence, South Carolina
Seeking $600,000 grant award combined with $160,500 local cash and in-kind contributions to provide support to American Airlines as it transitions sole airline hub service at the airport from turboprop to jet service.

Hilton Head, South Carolina
Applying for $750,000 in federal grant funding matched by $185,000 in local cash as revenue guarantees to provide daily continual service to big northeast market of BOS, NYC, PHL or DC markets.

Myrtle Beach, South Carolina
Desires $650,000 grant fund that supplements $770,000 local cash and in-kind contributions to serve as marketing support, fee waivers and revenue guarantee to establish airport sole air-service West of the Mississippi to Houston on Spirit Airlines.

Rapid City, South Dakota
Applies for $700,000 award along with $214,000 local in-kind and cash contributions as a revenue guarantee to support proposed daily service to PHX by AA regional partner Skywesst.

Millington, Tennessee
Request $500,000 grant award matched by $450,000 local funds and in-kind contributions for marketing support, revenue guarantees and fee waivers for service on up to four underserved high fare Memphis metro area markets.

Abilene, Texas
Seeks $750,000 federal funds supported with $500,000 community cash and in-kind contributions to recruit and support new daily service to Denver or Houston by United Airlines affiliate carriers

Brownsville, Texas
Applying for $250,000 grant with $40,000 local contribution to deigns and implement regional media marketing campaign.

Killeen, Texas
Desires $750,000 in grant award supported with $281,000 local cash and in-kind contributions for fee waiver, cost offset, marketing support and revenue guarantee for new service to DEN by United.

Carbon County, Utah
Request grant award in the amount of $305,000 matched by $150,000 local in-kind contribution to recruit and support proposed service to SLC.

Burlington, Vermont
Applies for $450,000 in federal funds combined with $271,000 local cash and in-kind contributions to establish minimum revenue guarantee on proposed service to DEN on either F9 or UA.

Richmond, Virginia
Seeking $750,000 grant award supplemented by $240,000 in community funds and in-kind support as marketing support, fee waivers, and revenue guarantees to secure ULCC/LCC carrier service.

Roanoke, Virginia
Request federal award of $750,000 combined with $1,1mil in local cash and in-kind contributions to serve as fee waiver, travel bank, marketing support and revenue guarantee to establish new air service links to major national hubs at DEN, DFW or DTW.

Washington State DOT, Washington
Seeks $250,000 with no local match with proposal to hire outside parties to conduct strategic review of States existing regional commercial service and airports in order to help identify actions which would help retain, restore, and expand air services in local communities.

East Wenatchee, Washington
Applying for $750,000 grant funding along with $401,000 community funding to aid with start-up cost offset, fee waivers, marketing support and revenue guarantee of new air service link to SF Bay area on Skywest Airlines under United Express banner.

La Crosse, Wisconsin
Submits a request for $750,000 in federal grant award supported by $470,000 local in-kind and cash contributions to provide revenue guarantees for the establishment of service to major eastern hub such as DTW by Skywest Airlines.

Casper, Wyoming
Desires $500,000 award along with $237,000 in local in-kind and cash contributions to support proposed new service to PHX by Skywest Airlines.

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Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:27 am

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Only North Bend and Farmington should be considered of the ones so far IMO.


Just curious, what is your justification behind these being the only two?

In addition to OTH and FMN, I'd add BFL, SUX, CPR & RAP (although I don't support their choice of using a CR2 all the way to PHX) as ones that make sense to me.

LAXintl wrote:
Here is the last bunch.

Don't forget that wonderfully worded application by Gohaiti, Inc. :rotfl:
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Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:47 am

East Wenatchee, Washington
Applying for $750,000 grant funding along with $401,000 community funding to aid with start-up cost offset, fee waivers, marketing support and revenue guarantee of new air service link to SF Bay area on Skywest Airlines under United Express banner.

Pasco, Seattle & Spokane have non - stop service to San Francisco. I still doubt Wenatchee will be successful. It's always sad when it doesn't work out and end up with more tax dollars down the drain.
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of.
 
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Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:51 am

Washington State DOT, Washington
Seeks $250,000 with no local match with proposal to hire outside parties to conduct strategic review of States existing regional commercial service and airports in order to help identify actions which would help retain, restore, and expand air services in local communities.

This is a waste of money. I hope they don't get one cent.
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of.
 
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East Wenatchee, Washington
Applying for $750,000 grant funding along with $401,000 community funding to aid with start-up cost offset, fee waivers, marketing support and revenue guarantee of new air service link to SF Bay area on Skywest Airlines under United Express banner.

Pasco, Seattle & Spokane have non - stop service to San Francisco. I still doubt Wenatchee will be successful. It's always sad when it doesn't work out and end up with more tax dollars down the drain.


Then I guess by your standard, airlines should never add new routes because it might be sad when it doesn't work out. Who are you to say that EAT-SFO wouldn't work out. I'm familiar with the area. There is a lot of potential tourist draw in that area - Lake Chelan, wineries, Methow Valley, etc.
 
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Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:15 am

For JAN-BNA they might already have the support of Contour.

They are planning on converting TUP to AEAS so they can go back to 19 seats on the JS32 that operates TUP-BNA. So adding an extra turn to JAN would help with utilization.
 
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Re: 2017 Small Community Air Svc Development Program

Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:15 am

For JAN-BNA they might already have the support of Contour.

They are planning on converting TUP to AEAS so they can go back to 19 seats on the JS32 that operates TUP-BNA. So adding an extra turn to JAN would help with utilization.
 
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Re: 2017 Small Community Air Svc Development Program

Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:46 am

LAXintl wrote:


Florence, South Carolina
Seeking $600,000 grant award combined with $160,500 local cash and in-kind contributions to provide support to American Airlines as it transitions sole airline hub service at the airport from turboprop to jet service.



Wait...what? To support something that should result in increased ridership anyway? Or is AA threatening to pull out of FLO entirely following the retirement of the Dashes?
 
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Re: 2017 Small Community Air Svc Development Program

Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:04 am

Most of these are a complete waste of tax dollars..as mtnwest said...there are a handful, ( maybe 2) .and they could be counted on 10 fingers. If these cities are with-in 90 miles of an airport with commercial service of a decent caliber, then why is there a discussion.

Sure I'd love for AA tom re-instate DFW- BFL service, even if only 1 daily RT...but unless LOCAL businees are willing to pony up the bucks..nope . Let the carriers decide if the marekt is good enough to take the risk. This is still some abberation that came about after -de-regulation when the carriers were relieved of the obligation to fly dozens of unprofitable routes, just to have monopolies or near monopolies on very profitable routes..The fares on those covered the losses on the "required flying" . this kind of stuff, 40 years later just shifts the burden from the fare paying passengers, to the public.

Bad deals in most cases.
 
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Re: 2017 Small Community Air Svc Development Program

Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:39 am

ITH and ROA are shoe ins both because what they're asking for is reasonable and because they're asking for less in SCASD funds than they already have in community funds and because they're proposing network service.

MYR is nice in that they are also offering more community funds than they're asking for, but the fact that it's ULCC leisure service to an already well-served leisure destination makes IAH-MYR proposal less attractive.

For SYR-DEN I really don't know if they're asking for enough. I think this will really depend on a letter of support from UA. Same goes for TUL - it's a good proposal if AS or DL support it. Ditto for AGS-IAD/DCA.

Worst proposals: Washington DOT, FLO, RIC, HHH, GYY, FOE, MQT, VRB, AHN, ERI

Routes that shouldn't need a grant to work: ROA-DTW, MGM-IAH, MRY-DEN, STS-DEN

Also, shout out to Carbon County, UT (as far as I can tell the airport in question is PUC - Carbon County Regional in Price, Utah). AFAIK PUC has never had airline service and there's no way it's getting this grant, but good for you for trying.
 
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Re: 2017 Small Community Air Svc Development Program

Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:08 am

drdisque wrote:
ITH and ROA are shoe ins both because what they're asking for is reasonable and because they're asking for less in SCASD funds than they already have in community funds and because they're proposing network service.


Fingers crossed for ITH. They have been trying for a few years to secure ORD service.
 
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Re: 2017 Small Community Air Svc Development Program

Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:46 am

drdisque wrote:
ITH and ROA are shoe ins both because what they're asking for is reasonable and because they're asking for less in SCASD funds than they already have in community funds and because they're proposing network service.

MYR is nice in that they are also offering more community funds than they're asking for, but the fact that it's ULCC leisure service to an already well-served leisure destination makes IAH-MYR proposal less attractive.

For SYR-DEN I really don't know if they're asking for enough. I think this will really depend on a letter of support from UA. Same goes for TUL - it's a good proposal if AS or DL support it. Ditto for AGS-IAD/DCA.

Worst proposals: Washington DOT, FLO, RIC, HHH, GYY, FOE, MQT, VRB, AHN, ERI

Routes that shouldn't need a grant to work: ROA-DTW, MGM-IAH, MRY-DEN, STS-DEN

Also, shout out to Carbon County, UT (as far as I can tell the airport in question is PUC - Carbon County Regional in Price, Utah). AFAIK PUC has never had airline service and there's no way it's getting this grant, but good for you for trying.



Delta flew DTW-ROA a couple years ago. I guess it was a victim of the 50 seater pull down.
 
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Re: 2017 Small Community Air Svc Development Program

Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:19 pm

Reason I think inly OTH and FMN is due to both having lost service recently (OTH the link to PDX and FMN all service) and the others are mistly well served locales that probably don't need what they are budding for. Is BTV-DEN really necessary?
As for Price,UT, they have had small commuter service up to mid 90s when Alpine Air was in the passenger game. As well as Key Airlines iirc back in 70s. I wish that well but not really expecting it. Not a very compelling assortment this year IMO.
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Re: 2017 Small Community Air Svc Development Program

Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:31 pm

mtnwest1979 wrote:
Reason I think inly OTH and FMN is due to both having lost service recently (OTH the link to PDX and FMN all service) and the others are mistly well served locales that probably don't need what they are budding for. Is BTV-DEN really necessary?
As for Price,UT, they have had small commuter service up to mid 90s when Alpine Air was in the passenger game. As well as Key Airlines iirc back in 70s. I wish that well but not really expecting it. Not a very compelling assortment this year IMO.


Thanks for the information.

According to my research on PUC it's probably not compatible with modern airline service. While the runway is plenty long, The north end of the runway has pretty high terrain pretty close to the field, which both makes landing to the south only possible for the lightest of aircraft, but also makes the departure to the north somewhat treacherous. Runway 19 also has no instrument approach and even the PAPI is obscured more than 3 miles out due to the terrain. I can see an airline dispatcher's butt pucker up from those airfield restrictions, even for an airline with pretty small high performance aircraft like Boutique. Boutique is also closing SLC as they lost the EAS contracts for CNY and VEL so requesting service to SLC pretty much the only other option is an OO CRJ - the market is way too small for that and I can't see OO flight ops ever signing off on operating into that field.
 
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Re: 2017 Small Community Air Svc Development Program

Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:06 pm

Surprised SYR didn't mention DFW or WN
"I haven't been everywhere yet, but it's on my list."
 
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Re: 2017 Small Community Air Svc Development Program

Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:14 pm

drdisque wrote:
ITH and ROA are shoe ins both because what they're asking for is reasonable and because they're asking for less in SCASD funds than they already have in community funds and because they're proposing network service.

MYR is nice in that they are also offering more community funds than they're asking for, but the fact that it's ULCC leisure service to an already well-served leisure destination makes IAH-MYR proposal less attractive.

For SYR-DEN I really don't know if they're asking for enough. I think this will really depend on a letter of support from UA. Same goes for TUL - it's a good proposal if AS or DL support it. Ditto for AGS-IAD/DCA.

Worst proposals: Washington DOT, FLO, RIC, HHH, GYY, FOE, MQT, VRB, AHN, ERI

Routes that shouldn't need a grant to work: ROA-DTW, MGM-IAH, MRY-DEN, STS-DEN

Also, shout out to Carbon County, UT (as far as I can tell the airport in question is PUC - Carbon County Regional in Price, Utah). AFAIK PUC has never had airline service and there's no way it's getting this grant, but good for you for trying.


I don't blame STS management for going after the money, but they don't need it:

"STS could support three Denver flights per day depending on connections"
https://sonomacountyairport.org/wp-cont ... -16-17.pdf
 
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Re: 2017 Small Community Air Svc Development Program

Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:14 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Gary, Indiana
Seeks $750,000 grant award with $361,000 local contribution for revenue guarantee, fee waivers and marketing support for new lowcost air service link to DEN on F9 or DFW on NK.



Will F9 abandoning SBN affect this application? I could totally see them taking the SCASD money, hanging around for a year, and then pulling service just like SBN. NK should have upper hand.
 
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Re: 2017 Small Community Air Svc Development Program

Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:23 pm

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
Surprised SYR didn't mention DFW or WN


Why? Is the authority in close talks right now towards WN starting service in SYR?
 
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Re: 2017 Small Community Air Svc Development Program

Sun Jan 28, 2018 12:05 am

WeatherPilot wrote:
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
Surprised SYR didn't mention DFW or WN


Why? Is the authority in close talks right now towards WN starting service in SYR?

One can only hope. I'm not holding my breath. It was discouraging to see the Authority board lavish praise on the outgoing SY R mayor.
 
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Re: 2017 Small Community Air Svc Development Program

Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:18 pm

Yes some might call these grants a waste, however, this $10mil is tiny in the grand scale of things.

To put things in perspective, in FY16, the DOT provided $14.3bil in various discretionary awards to communities across a host of focus areas from air to roads, from rail to pedestrian, from waterways to ongoing R&D projects.
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Re: 2017 Small Community Air Svc Development Program

Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:32 pm

drdisque wrote:
mtnwest1979 wrote:
Reason I think inly OTH and FMN is due to both having lost service recently (OTH the link to PDX and FMN all service) and the others are mistly well served locales that probably don't need what they are budding for. Is BTV-DEN really necessary?
As for Price,UT, they have had small commuter service up to mid 90s when Alpine Air was in the passenger game. As well as Key Airlines iirc back in 70s. I wish that well but not really expecting it. Not a very compelling assortment this year IMO.


Thanks for the information.

According to my research on PUC it's probably not compatible with modern airline service. While the runway is plenty long, The north end of the runway has pretty high terrain pretty close to the field, which both makes landing to the south only possible for the lightest of aircraft, but also makes the departure to the north somewhat treacherous. Runway 19 also has no instrument approach and even the PAPI is obscured more than 3 miles out due to the terrain. I can see an airline dispatcher's butt pucker up from those airfield restrictions, even for an airline with pretty small high performance aircraft like Boutique. Boutique is also closing SLC as they lost the EAS contracts for CNY and VEL so requesting service to SLC pretty much the only other option is an OO CRJ - the market is way too small for that and I can't see OO flight ops ever signing off on operating into that field.



PUC has been talking with Gem Air from Salmon ID. The mining and oil and gas extraction services in the area claim they need air service to SLC or DEN. Whether it is feasible or not remains to be seen.
 
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Re: 2017 Small Community Air Svc Development Program

Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:59 pm

Poor Topeka (FOE). Their strategy: If you can't compete with the AA service at MHK, duplicate it! Topeka is too close to MCI with a myriad of options. Any 2x daily regional jet service to a hub will have a very hard time being successful there. United was a total flop, they lasted only as long as the revenue guarantee and left. United should come to MHK, with the military base and K-State right there, and a low percentage of local traffic being retained. MHK is closer to Topeka than MCI is.

Kansas is now full of regional jet cities. Once, only Wichita had network airline service. Now you can hop on an AA or UA jet in MHK, GCK, HYS, SLN, or LBL. Maybe soon DDC and GBD will join that list, though I very much doubt Great Bend will ever get airline service again.
 
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Re: 2017 Small Community Air Svc Development Program

Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:29 am

mhkansan wrote:
Poor Topeka (FOE). Their strategy: If you can't compete with the AA service at MHK, duplicate it! Topeka is too close to MCI with a myriad of options. Any 2x daily regional jet service to a hub will have a very hard time being successful there. United was a total flop, they lasted only as long as the revenue guarantee and left. United should come to MHK, with the military base and K-State right there, and a low percentage of local traffic being retained. MHK is closer to Topeka than MCI is.

Kansas is now full of regional jet cities. Once, only Wichita had network airline service. Now you can hop on an AA or UA jet in MHK, GCK, HYS, SLN, or LBL. Maybe soon DDC and GBD will join that list, though I very much doubt Great Bend will ever get airline service again.


UA got off to a rough start cancelling the originator and late inbound repeatedly. It never got a chance due to reliability issues.
 
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Re: 2017 Small Community Air Svc Development Program

Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:36 am

When are the grants going to be awarded?
 
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Re: 2017 Small Community Air Svc Development Program

Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:47 am

LAXintl wrote:
Yes some might call these grants a waste, however, this $10mil is tiny in the grand scale of things.

To put things in perspective, in FY16, the DOT provided $14.3bil in various discretionary awards to communities across a host of focus areas from air to roads, from rail to pedestrian, from waterways to ongoing R&D projects.


Waste is waste. $10 million is still quite a bit of money that could be used for commercial airport improvements that benefit many, not a handful of passengers on money losing flights. A person chooses to live a good distance away from a commercial airport, its a conscience decision made knowing full well air service is not available.

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