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Ukraine International will introduce B777 in 2018 and expend network

Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:13 pm

"Ukraine International Airlines (UIA) has announced plans to start adding Boeing 777 widebodies to its fleet next year. Four such aircraft, equipped with an on-board entertainment system, will replace the Boeing 767s the carrier currently operates, UIA co-owner Aron Mayberg told local publication LIGA.net.

Ukraine’s largest carrier will start phasing out its Boeing 767s in 2019. It has four of the type, each equipped with 261 seats. The 777s can seat more, meaning the airline is obviously aiming to expand its long-haul capacity. Once the new aircraft have entered commercial service, UIA says it will expand its long-haul network, possibly by launching flights to Shanghai and Toronto."

https://www.rusaviainsider.com/ukraine- ... eet-plans/
 
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Re: UIA will introduce B777 in 2018 and expend network

Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:28 pm

Interesting, going to be a huge gap between the -900ER and the 77E in their fleet.
 
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Re: UIA will introduce B777 in 2018 and expend network

Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:31 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
Interesting, going to be a huge gap between the -900ER and the 77E in their fleet.


Yeah, but such an improvement from the 767
 
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Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:22 pm

Will frequencies go down to their current destinations as a result of this?
Even with high capacity 767s that is a huge jump in capaz.
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Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:20 am

ahj2000 wrote:
Will frequencies go down to their current destinations as a result of this?
Even with high capacity 767s that is a huge jump in capaz.

At least in the beginning, 77E will be obviously deployed on the most popular routes.
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Re: Ukraine International will introduce B777 in 2018 and expend network

Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:06 am

I don't have the time right now to look for it, but in another thread a few months ago, it was said that the 767s would stay and the 777s would come in as additional lift, not as a replacement. What happened to that?
 
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Re: Ukraine International will introduce B777 in 2018 and expend network

Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:15 am

In the latest round of High Density vs You, high density wins again, their 767-300ERs are 2-4-2 seating which is UNBELIEVABLY tight. No prizes for guessing the configuration of the 777s. And yes I fully expect YYZ, Aerosvit used to, half of Canada has Ukrainian ancestry.

As an aside, PS is a pretty bad airline, I love Ukraine and I’m predisposed to be a fan but their website is appalling, almost no functionality, you think it has Manage My Booking and Add Bags because the tabs are there but click through and it’s an exhaustive form (date of travel, ticket number, flight number, first name, last name etc) you have to submit and that’s the end of the matter, you’ll never hear back again. And none of the phone numbers answer, just ring and cut off. From that to the seating, the whole thing reeks of couldn’t care less. Good luck, we’re all counting on you.
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Re: Ukraine International will introduce B777 in 2018 and expend network

Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:39 am

cedarjet wrote:
In the latest round of High Density vs You, high density wins again, their 767-300ERs are 2-4-2 seating which is UNBELIEVABLY tight. No prizes for guessing the configuration of the 777s. And yes I fully expect YYZ, Aerosvit used to, half of Canada has Ukrainian ancestry.

As an aside, PS is a pretty bad airline, I love Ukraine and I’m predisposed to be a fan but their website is appalling, almost no functionality, you think it has Manage My Booking and Add Bags because the tabs are there but click through and it’s an exhaustive form (date of travel, ticket number, flight number, first name, last name etc) you have to submit and that’s the end of the matter, you’ll never hear back again. And none of the phone numbers answer, just ring and cut off. From that to the seating, the whole thing reeks of couldn’t care less. Good luck, we’re all counting on you.


Have to agree on all points. 10-across is actually already circulating as a confirmed configuration.

PS has come a long way downward from being a Swissair proxy in the East to its current state. It survived in the conditions it exists, sure. But an airline I used to love, and went out of my way to fly, is unfortunately a completely different animal these days.
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Re: Ukraine International will introduce B777 in 2018 and expend network

Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:46 am

Looks like another likely candidate to add to my list of those cursed by the 'cheap' 777-300, to join Kenyan and Indonesian.
 
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Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:52 am

Now that they will be able to reach the West coast I wonder if they have LAX/SFO in the cards.
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Re: Ukraine International will introduce B777 in 2018 and expend network

Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:34 pm

Any idea where the 777s will come from? There are a bunch of second hand 77Es on the market, some aren't even that old.
 
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Re: Ukraine International will introduce B777 in 2018 and expend network

Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:25 pm

FLJ wrote:
Any idea where the 777s will come from? There are a bunch of second hand 77Es on the market, some aren't even that old.

There are many 77Es parked around the world, though most face or undergo parting-out and scrap. However, among those parked there are more than a dozen frames younger than 15 years which surely have a good chance to serve on somewhere else.
There is a quartet of fairly-used (ca. 12 years old) ex-Vietam 77Es which were retired earlier this year. Those should have a good chance and its exactly the right number. Another likely source: SQ, or some of the youngest frames SV is currently retiring. Kenya Airways is forced to shrink, have already parked a 777 and are another possibility.
 
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Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:48 pm

Here is a list of 777s currently offered for lease or sale (including scrap). Please note that it isnt necessarily kept to date as several frames on the list are being dismantled already.
http://www.myairlease.com/available/fleetintel_777
 
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Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:52 pm

cedarjet wrote:
In the latest round of High Density vs You, high density wins again, their 767-300ERs are 2-4-2 seating which is UNBELIEVABLY tight. No prizes for guessing the configuration of the 777s. And yes I fully expect YYZ, Aerosvit used to, half of Canada has Ukrainian ancestry.

As an aside, PS is a pretty bad airline, I love Ukraine and I’m predisposed to be a fan but their website is appalling, almost no functionality, you think it has Manage My Booking and Add Bags because the tabs are there but click through and it’s an exhaustive form (date of travel, ticket number, flight number, first name, last name etc) you have to submit and that’s the end of the matter, you’ll never hear back again. And none of the phone numbers answer, just ring and cut off. From that to the seating, the whole thing reeks of couldn’t care less. Good luck, we’re all counting on you.


10 abreast 777s will be an upgrade from the 767s! Their fares for connecting flights to Europe are incredibly cheap even if they involve long connections in Kiev.
 
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Re: Ukraine International will introduce B777 in 2018 and expend network

Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:30 pm

na wrote:
Here is a list of 777s currently offered for lease or sale (including scrap). Please note that it isnt necessarily kept to date as several frames on the list are being dismantled already.
http://www.myairlease.com/available/fleetintel_777


Thanks for this resource. However, it does look like the deal (for at least the first few frames) has already been struck, and the frames, destined for PS, might have already disappeared from "available" category.
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Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:38 pm

They filled the booking system with the Boeing 777 to Beijing and New York JFK


"@Airlineroute
Ukraine International Airlines' Boeing 777 aircraft to serve New York JFK from 25MAR18, Beijing from 01MAY18. Economy Class 3-4-3 layout"

Seat map displaying C21Y319

https://twitter.com/Airlineroute/status ... 8239365123
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Re: Ukraine International will introduce B777 in 2018 and expend network

Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:56 am

They filled the booking system with the Boeing 777 to Beijing and New York JFK


"@Airlineroute
Ukraine International Airlines' Boeing 777 aircraft to serve New York JFK from 25MAR18, Beijing from 01MAY18. Economy Class 3-4-3 layout"

Seat map displaying C21Y319

https://twitter.com/Airlineroute/status ... 8239365123
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Re: Ukraine International will introduce B777 in 2018 and expend network

Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:47 am

solracfunk14 wrote:
They filled the booking system with the Boeing 777 to Beijing and New York JFK


"@Airlineroute
Ukraine International Airlines' Boeing 777 aircraft to serve New York JFK from 25MAR18, Beijing from 01MAY18. Economy Class 3-4-3 layout"

Seat map displaying C21Y319

https://twitter.com/Airlineroute/status ... 8239365123

Anyone know if they'll have IFE or lie-flats in J? I saw a trip report on Ukraine International from KBP to JFK and even in J class it's a pathetic hard and soft product, with old recliner seats and the flight map projected on the bulkhead. They do have a monopoly on their routes, though, so I don't know if they have much incentive to upgrade their product. I'm sure their customers will appreciate there not being 2-4-2 in Y anymore.
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Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:15 am

ikolkyo wrote:
Interesting, going to be a huge gap between the -900ER and the 77E in their fleet.


Yeah, but such an improvement from the 767

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Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:57 am

It better have IFE and A BUSINESS CLASS INSTEAD OF PREMIUM ECONOMY
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Re: Ukraine International will introduce B777 in 2018 and expend network

Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:36 am

TLV will also be a 777 destination effective 25MAR18, daily on the late evening PS777/8 service
 
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Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:56 am

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TLV will also be a 777 destination effective 25MAR18, daily on the late evening PS777/8 service


Given that this is often a cheap one-stop journey to TLV from JFK over the nonstops from the area, this should be marketed as a same-plane service from JFK. The Y class is often full, hence why the need for more capacity.
 
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Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:23 am

ba319-131 wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
Interesting, going to be a huge gap between the -900ER and the 77E in their fleet.


Yeah, but such an improvement from the 767

- where is the improvement?


Improvement in CASM, more capacity, much lower cabin noise, 3-4-3 in a 777 is more comfy than 2-4-2 in a 767, mainetnance cost....
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Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:56 am

Phosphorus wrote:
na wrote:
Here is a list of 777s currently offered for lease or sale (including scrap). Please note that it isnt necessarily kept to date as several frames on the list are being dismantled already.
http://www.myairlease.com/available/fleetintel_777


Thanks for this resource. However, it does look like the deal (for at least the first few frames) has already been struck, and the frames, destined for PS, might have already disappeared from "available" category.


As I said, this list isnt 100% accurate as there are also planes on it which are in the process of scrapping. So the planes for Ukraine might still be on it.
Btw, russian carrier Vim Air is retiring two 77Es these days after just operating them 6 months.
 
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Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:57 am

na wrote:
Phosphorus wrote:
na wrote:
Here is a list of 777s currently offered for lease or sale (including scrap). Please note that it isnt necessarily kept to date as several frames on the list are being dismantled already.
http://www.myairlease.com/available/fleetintel_777


Thanks for this resource. However, it does look like the deal (for at least the first few frames) has already been struck, and the frames, destined for PS, might have already disappeared from "available" category.


As I said, this list isnt 100% accurate as there are also planes on it which are in the process of scrapping. So the planes for Ukraine might still be on it.
Btw, russian carrier Vim Air is retiring three 77Es these days after just operating them 6 months.
 
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Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:48 pm

LA704 wrote:

Improvement in CASM, more capacity, much lower cabin noise, 3-4-3 in a 777 is more comfy than 2-4-2 in a 767, mainetnance cost....


The 777 has lower cabin noise than the 767? I've never considered this, but my recollection is that the 777 has a noisy cabin, especially behind the wings.
 
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Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:10 pm

JAAlbert wrote:
LA704 wrote:

Improvement in CASM, more capacity, much lower cabin noise, 3-4-3 in a 777 is more comfy than 2-4-2 in a 767, mainetnance cost....


The 777 has lower cabin noise than the 767? I've never considered this, but my recollection is that the 777 has a noisy cabin, especially behind the wings.


Behind the wing is fine for me, I didn’t have an issue on the 2 flights I had about a month ago
 
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Re: Ukraine International will introduce B777 in 2018 and expend network

Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:58 pm

Apparently the aircraft are coming from air India, the link below is in Dutch but google can translate.

https://www.aviationinfo.nl/nieuws/11-l ... -air-india
 
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Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:18 pm

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Now that they will be able to reach the West coast I wonder if they have LAX/SFO in the cards.


That will be an absolute disaster.

Toronto is a no brainer to expand in North America and maybe a weekly or two to South Florida, but I don’t see anything else. Long-haul expansion will undoubtedly be focused on Asia.
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