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Re: Turkish Aviation October 2017

Sun Oct 08, 2017 8:20 pm

According to this news site, TRJET TRJ328 project has been cancelled and a new project is being planned where TAI will be the center figure.

http://www.haberturk.com/yazarlar/gunta ... cak-alacak (Turkish only)
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Re: Turkish Aviation October 2017

Sun Oct 08, 2017 8:34 pm

Tkfan wrote:
What about leaving this part politics- free??

TK787 wrote:
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Thanks to all for keeping these threads informative and civil and free of personal attacks/political innuendos.
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This news is huge and never thought it was political. It is news and it will have a big impact on Turkish Aviation, particularly TK.
 
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Sun Oct 08, 2017 8:40 pm

That's pure speculation like last year's debate that Turkish Airlines will go bankrupt.

If you want an answer/speculation from me, that is pure spreading false perception of Turkey.
There is only one employee of US Consulate who is arrested due to evident connections to FETO-Organisation. To lower visa-issues is overreaction.
 
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Sun Oct 08, 2017 8:57 pm

TK787 wrote:
This news is huge and never thought it was political. It is news and it will have a big impact on Turkish Aviation, particularly TK.


I presume if no tourist visas issued for Turks wanting to visit the USA then it is an issue. Do they have any other way of obtaining one?
 
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Sun Oct 08, 2017 8:58 pm

Well, well, well !... The very recent news is that Turkey Government has also put a hold on the visa applications of US Citizens, intending to travel to Turkey! IMHO, it is a very weak and useless retaliation. If it was me, I would react in the way that especially a business minded President like Mr. Trump would unmistakably understand: Single entry visa, once every 3 months', max stay in Turkey: 30 days, USD 1.000 per head!... :o :P :alert:
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Re: Turkish Aviation October 2017

Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:18 pm

mafaky wrote:
Well, well, well !... The very recent news is that Turkey Government has also put a hold on the visa applications of US Citizens, intending to travel to Turkey! IMHO, it is a very weak and useless retaliation. If it was me, I would react in the way that especially a business minded President like Mr. Trump would unmistakably understand: Single entry visa, once every 3 months', max stay in Turkey: 30 days, USD 1.000 per head!... :o :P :alert:


You are correct.
Turkey also suspends all non immigrant visa services in the US.
I just checked the Turkish Embassy e-visa site (for US passport holders) and it says:

"SORRY, Unfortunately, nationals of the country that you selected are not eligible for e-Visa. Kindly visit the nearest Turkish mission to apply for a visa application. Please visit http://www.konsolosluk.gov.tr for the full list of the Turkish Embassies and Consulates."
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation October 2017

Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:36 pm

I was not even aware of this:

"The suspended visa services will affect business, tourism, medical treatment, student, exchange visitor, crew member, media and journalist, treaty trader, diplomatic and official visas."

TK crew members??
 
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Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:42 pm

Current 5 or 10 year visa holders should not be affected!... New visa applications or renewals seem to be on hold and negatively affected...
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Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:11 pm

And in spirit of reciprocity

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Good luck to the Americans expecting an eVisa or getting one at the border upon arrival at IST.
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Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:19 pm

I see no problem with discussion involving the aviation impacts to today's news, but please try to refrain from purely political discussion. Politics belong in Non Av, but we realize there is overlap to a degree here, so please try to keep the discussion geared towards aviation.

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Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:24 pm

It will be interesting to see if TK put a policy in place to refund / allow changes to those who already have tickets.
 
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Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:48 pm

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It will be interesting to see if TK put a policy in place to refund / allow changes to those who already have tickets.


Wonder how they will accommodate US citizens on tonight's IST bound flights that have already departed. The suspension goes into immediate effect. Will TK deny US citizens with IST as final destination for those flights that will depart within the next few hours?
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Sun Oct 08, 2017 11:44 pm

It seems that politics (not personal attacks or political innuendo, of course) may be pertinent when trying to understand the airline industry in Turkey. As the NYTimes article points out " the [dozen or so American] detainees are potential bargaining chips in a long-running effort by Turkey to force the American government to extradite Mr. Gulen. Mr. Erdogan himself seemed to confirm the suspicion last month, when he told a gathering of police officers in Ankara that he would hand over an American pastor, Andrew Brunson, once the United States gave him Mr. Gulen.

If Americans, or others, feel like is not safe to travel to or transit through Turkey for fear of being detained because of the dispute between Ankara and Washington, it may affect travel decisions.

On the other hand, I don't think that these events are on the radar of many Americans. So unless this becomes a bigger story it is unlikely that it will have any effect at all. Additionally, Americans are probably a very small percentage of the tourists and business people traveling to Turkey.
 
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Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:16 am

If TK crew members cannot get/renew their US visas, then this will quickly hinder TK's ability to execute their US flights, apart from any dwindling demand. Any impact on the 787 QR deal by this? A number of widebodies will be unemployed if the US is basically closed for TK.
 
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Mon Oct 09, 2017 3:44 am

Crew visa is valid for 5 years, there should be no shortage of crew. I dont think this game will no longer last more than couple months.
 
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Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:03 am

MeCe wrote:
Crew visa is valid for 5 years, there should be no shortage of crew. I dont think this game will no longer last more than couple months.

Plus this is a suspension of visas in Turkey, not to Turkish citizens.

If Turkish Airlines really needs new visas, they can get it from US diplomatic missions in neighboring countries.

B747forever wrote:
OA260 wrote:
Wonder how they will accommodate US citizens on tonight's IST bound flights that have already departed. The suspension goes into immediate effect. Will TK deny US citizens with IST as final destination for those flights that will depart within the next few hours?


A government spokesperson said this decision would not effect US citizens coming in today and the few coming days, but the decision will be enforced quickly after.

Right now I believe Russia is on the same boat, America is not issuing non-immigrant visas from their missions in Russia. Aeroflot still operates to America.
 
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Mon Oct 09, 2017 8:58 am

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Crew visa is valid for 5 years, there should be no shortage of crew. I dont think this game will no longer last more than couple months.

Sure, that means that roughly 2% of their crew has their visa expired every month, or 20% in a year. That would become an operational nightmare already after a few months. And anybody really believes that Erdoğan will step down from his demands next week? ...
 
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Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:04 am

I'm scheduled to fly TK from Dubai to Houston tomorrow. I'm on the phone with United, the origin of booking, to see if they need to put me elsewhere.
 
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Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:05 am

1g wrote:
MeCe wrote:
Crew visa is valid for 5 years, there should be no shortage of crew. I dont think this game will no longer last more than couple months.

Plus this is a suspension of visas in Turkey, not to Turkish citizens.

If Turkish Airlines really needs new visas, they can get it from US diplomatic missions in neighboring countries.

B747forever wrote:
OA260 wrote:
Wonder how they will accommodate US citizens on tonight's IST bound flights that have already departed. The suspension goes into immediate effect. Will TK deny US citizens with IST as final destination for those flights that will depart within the next few hours?


A government spokesperson said this decision would not effect US citizens coming in today and the few coming days, but the decision will be enforced quickly after.

Right now I believe Russia is on the same boat, America is not issuing non-immigrant visas from their missions in Russia. Aeroflot still operates to America.

Usually, you are required to apply for your visa in your country of residence. SOME countries let you apply from a consulate in any country. I am not sure of the US policy on this. And even so, that is a logistical nightmare, since you have to book an appointment to apply, another to pick the visa up (and in the meantime they hold your passport), so crew would basically rotate for a week or more into ATH, TIA, SKP, SOFor whichever consulate in a neighboring country that is.

Oh, and "America" issues no visas, as it's a continent of some 40+ countries.
 
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Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:06 am

777222LR wrote:
I'm scheduled to fly TK from Dubai to Houston tomorrow. I'm on the phone with United, the origin of booking, to see if they need to put me elsewhere.

If you are only transiting at IST, you are OK. No transit visa is required.
 
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Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:15 am

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777222LR wrote:
I'm scheduled to fly TK from Dubai to Houston tomorrow. I'm on the phone with United, the origin of booking, to see if they need to put me elsewhere.

If you are only transiting at IST, you are OK. No transit visa is required.


Yeah, I'm just concerned they may cancel flights to the US because of this. I talked with United, so far no.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation October 2017

Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:24 am

Hopefully this will be over soon! Of course no one is going to profit from a situation like this in the long term (quite the contrary). Also TK is not going to let the EU3 and ME3 have all of the cake, so definitely no cancelling of flights to the US (unless they are forced to).
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation October 2017

Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:57 am

No Seattle was not mentioned but I do not believe in TK's SEA bid, I think this is more to gain momentum in Canada to threaten YVR and YVR is more lucrative then SEA. Having said that I actually believe TK can do a triangle flight IST-YVR-SEA-IST if bilateral with Canada is ratified giving TK the right to operate the route, it is possible, CX does Hong Kong-YVR-JFK or Philippine Airlines does Manila-Vancouver-Las Vegas etc. Both airlines have 5th freedom rights on the US Canada sector too. Of course in TK's triangle flight I am not expecting TK to get 5th freedom rights on YVR SEA leg, that is too short anyways....

AC grew around 60% at YVR over the past 5 years, expanding YVR as a global hub with direct flights to Delhi, Sydney, Melbourne, Taipei, Zurich, Paris, Frankfurt etc. so a likely flight to IST will capture quite a connecting traffic to India, Iran and ME and CIS in particular...

It will take sometime and also AC is not reinstating YYZ IST in 2018 looks like...Will review in 2019 again, the 787 that was allocated for IST is used for Copenhagen and Milan..no a/c to do the route in the near future...not good as that was the only North American airline scheduled service to Turkey and with today's visa sanctions may be even 2019 will be the same.


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I attended a briefing by TK in Vancouver today, no immediate YVR market entry is expected unfortunately due to limitations on bilateral. TK indicated that new Istanbul Airport will open as expected on October 29th 2018 with three runaways operation right away...Is that true or will the airport start off with two runaways?? Anybody wants to comment please..



That's too bad really... Oh well
What about Seattle, was it mentioned ?
 
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Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:57 am

Tkfan wrote:
What about leaving this part politics- free??

TK787 wrote:
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Thanks to all for keeping these threads informative and civil and free of personal attacks/political innuendos.
.....

This happens to be an event that very much alters the aviation between 2 countries so I don't think that rule applies here.

I read somewhere that the ban from Turkey to US citizens doesn't apply to tourist visas is that correct? if not most US visitors get their visas at arrival that will be super inconvenient for them. What a pity for both countries, Turkey or OLD TURKEY -as the current government coined the term NEW Turkey- used to have a constant and stable foreign policy that was free of partisan ideas, but we don't have that for the last 10 years and we see results of it. Hope they clear the issues soon...
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Re: Turkish Aviation October 2017

Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:59 am

Thank you

TK in their presentation says TK's punctuality will further improvge from the opening of the new IST airport but I don't know how they will achieve that with two runaways, may be only after 3rd or 4th kicks in...



TK105 wrote:
ankaraflyjet wrote:
I attended a briefing by TK in Vancouver today, no immediate YVR market entry is expected unfortunately due to limitations on bilateral. TK indicated that new Istanbul Airport will open as expected on October 29th 2018 with three runaways operation right away...Is that true or will the airport start off with two runaways?? Anybody wants to comment please..

I asked for the latest updates from my insider about IST new airport:
- Oct 2018 openning is possible with 1st and 2nd runways. But only limited cargo operations look possible by then.
- Actual operation will start by June 2019 (as I mentioned multiple times) with 3 runways hoping that infrastructural problems are solved for 3rd runway soon.
- A 24hr transition time is being planned for transfering all operations of IST to new airport.
- On average every 5 minutes there happens a construction accident and every 60 minutes an ambulance is being called.
- To cope with the construction worker demand, now not only Pakistani and Indian workers are brought in but also various African Countries are used to provide work force.
 
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Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:06 am

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What a pity for both countries, Turkey or OLD TURKEY -as the current government coined the term NEW Turkey- used to have a constant and stable foreign policy that was free of partisan ideas, but we don't have that for the last 10 years and we see results of it. Hope they clear the issues soon...


If this "NEW Turkey" mean a more sovereign country and no more the puppet of USA, than I am all for this NEW Turkey.

This arrested FETO member Metin Topuz must be a serious threat to show US involvement in FETO that they take such harsh reaction since 1974.
 
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Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:14 am

Tkfan wrote:
gokmengs wrote:
What a pity for both countries, Turkey or OLD TURKEY -as the current government coined the term NEW Turkey- used to have a constant and stable foreign policy that was free of partisan ideas, but we don't have that for the last 10 years and we see results of it. Hope they clear the issues soon...


If this "NEW Turkey" mean a more sovereign country and no more the puppet of USA, than I am all for this NEW Turkey.


Well lets assume "Old" Turkey was a puppet of USA, you don't find it odd that the "new" Turkey is having problems with most of the civilized world and almost all of its neighbors? You might be utilizing the now defunct Ahmet Davutoglu theory "Strategical Loneliness" good luck with that.

I just read TK statement about changing and reissuing tickets for Turkish and US passport holders, as stated before this decision doesn't affect transit pax one bit. Hope they resolve this quick and we can go back to business as usual (as it can be)
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Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:14 am

Tkfan wrote:
gokmengs wrote:
What a pity for both countries, Turkey or OLD TURKEY -as the current government coined the term NEW Turkey- used to have a constant and stable foreign policy that was free of partisan ideas, but we don't have that for the last 10 years and we see results of it. Hope they clear the issues soon...


If this "NEW Turkey" mean a more sovereign country and no more the puppet of USA, than I am all for this NEW Turkey.

This arrested FETO member Metin Topuz must be a serious threat to show US involvement in FETO that they take such harsh reaction since 1974.

How does this post of yours go together with your previous one that said "What about leaving this part politics- free??"....?
 
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Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:23 am

I apologize for my part in it guys, couldn't help myself.
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Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:26 am

MalevTU134 wrote:
Tkfan wrote:
gokmengs wrote:
What a pity for both countries, Turkey or OLD TURKEY -as the current government coined the term NEW Turkey- used to have a constant and stable foreign policy that was free of partisan ideas, but we don't have that for the last 10 years and we see results of it. Hope they clear the issues soon...


If this "NEW Turkey" mean a more sovereign country and no more the puppet of USA, than I am all for this NEW Turkey.

This arrested FETO member Metin Topuz must be a serious threat to show US involvement in FETO that they take such harsh reaction since 1974.

How does this post of yours go together with your previous one that said "What about leaving this part politics- free??"....?


It is clear that this decision is a politically motivated.

It's not avoidable. I am all for discussing this in non-av thread, but it seams people like to mention Erdogan/New Turkey/ etc here in this topic!
 
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Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:26 am

gokmengs wrote:
I apologize for my part in it guys, couldn't help myself.

As far as I can see, all of your posts have contained a travel, visa or TK-related element, unlike those of the other poster (AKPfan, or whatever his name is) I quoted.

And as I understand it from one of TK787's posts above, eVisas are no longer issued to US passport holders.
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Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:28 am

gokmengs wrote:

Well lets assume "Old" Turkey was a puppet of USA, you don't find it odd that the "new" Turkey is having problems with most of the civilized world and almost all of its neighbors? You might be utilizing the now defunct Ahmet Davutoglu theory "Strategical Loneliness" good luck with that.

I just read TK statement about changing and reissuing tickets for Turkish and US passport holders, as stated before this decision doesn't affect transit pax one bit. Hope they resolve this quick and we can go back to business as usual (as it can be)


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Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:52 pm

Good Morning folks,
Here is latest statement from TK:

"Dear Passengers,
Due to the recent developments, some changes have been made on Turkey-USA and USA-Turkey visa application processes. These changes do not affect passengers transferring to connecting flights in Istanbul.
Excluding passengers transferring to connecting flights in Istanbul; for all passengers holding Turkish passports flying to the USA between October 12th, 2017 and October 31st, 2017, and all passengers holding American passports flying to Turkey between October 9th, 2017 and October 31st, 2017 on Turkish Airlines and AnadoluJet flights, with tickets issued on or before October 9th, 2017, the following procedure can be carried out till October 31st, 2017:

For Turkish passport holding passengers:
1) Reservation changes can be made free of charge.
2) Refund requests:
a) Refunds can be issued for tickets which have not been used.
b) On tickets which have been partially used, a refund for the unused portion of the ticket can be issued.
3) Extension of ticket validity:
The validity of tickets can be extended to October 31st, 2017 (inclusive) without paying any price difference or penalty.
4) These implementations are applied to only Turkish Airlines and AnadoluJet flights.

For American passport holding passengers;
1) Reservation and route changes can be made free of charge.
2 Refund requests:
a) Refunds can be issued for tickets which have not been used.
b) On tickets which have been partially used, a refund for the unused portion of the ticket can be issued.
3) Extension of ticket validity:
The validity of tickets can be extended to October 31st, 2017 (inclusive) without paying any price difference or penalty.
4) These implementations are applied to only Turkish Airlines and AnadoluJet flights.
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Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:55 pm

Turkish Airlines TK1945 İstanbul Sabiha Gökçen to Brussels TC-JPR A320 diverted Vienna for smoke on board.
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Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:01 pm

The visa suspension needs its own thread. This is a big deal.
 
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Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:01 pm

From the TK website:

"Turkish Airlines has announced its “Passenger and Cargo Traffic Results” for September 2017.

The global carrier reached the highest Load Factor in last five years in September 2017, with 81.5% LF.
Evaluation of September 2017 Traffic Results:
Total Load Factor improved significantly by 5.7 points to 81.5%, while international LF increased by 6.1 points to 81% (September 2015 LF: %79.3)
Double digit growth in demand (revenue per kilometer) that commenced in July, kept on with 10% demand growth.
Total number of passengers carried went up by 13% reaching 6.7 million passengers. Compared to September 2015, number of passengers carried increased by 17% and demand increased by 21%.
Excluding international-to-international transfer passengers (transit passengers), number of international passengers went up by 30%.
In September, cargo/mail volume increased by 25%, compared to September 2016. Main contributors to the growth in cargo/mail volume, are Middle East with 44% increase and Europe with 31% increase.
In September, Load Factor increased for all regions. North America and Far East showed visible growth among other regions with 10.3 points and 6.3 points increase, respectively.
Evaluation of January-August 2017 Traffic Results:
During January-September, increase in demand and total number of passengers was 5.5% and 6.1%, respectively, over the same period of last year. Total number of passengers reached to 51,6 million.
During January-September, total Load Factor improved by 4.3 points up to 79%, while international Load Factor increased almost by 5 points, up to 78%.
Cargo/mail carried increased by 27% and reached to 810 thousand tonnes, thanks to strong pick up in cargo/mail volume in January-September period."
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Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:20 pm

I think we all can agree that this mutual visa regime suspension will not benefit TK or IST. Overall, it's obvious that restrictions, uncertainties and skirmishes like this result in loss for both sides. So, smart politicians normally would make sure that issues are resolved as soon as possible, instead of playing tug of war. That's what a responsible leader does: Benefit his constituents. And honestly, emotional reactions by leaders might make people feel better, but in the long run they hurt a lot more.

To bring it back to this topic, if we want TK to continue being a player in the NA market (almost 15% by RPK in latest data), we should wish for a speedy resolution to this matter and not a pissing contest between countries.
 
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Mon Oct 09, 2017 3:26 pm

While I was checkkng routesonline, i discovered some changes at QR, it refers to replacement of 788 s by either A330 orA350 at some routes, i wonder whether it is linked to free up 788s for TK lease, lets see
 
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Mon Oct 09, 2017 3:48 pm

A bit of news about the new airport.

DHMI has notified EASA is plans to conduct certification flights at the new airport during Jan/Feb 2018.
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Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:46 pm

MalevTU134 wrote:
1g wrote:
MeCe wrote:
Crew visa is valid for 5 years, there should be no shortage of crew. I dont think this game will no longer last more than couple months.

Plus this is a suspension of visas in Turkey, not to Turkish citizens.

If Turkish Airlines really needs new visas, they can get it from US diplomatic missions in neighboring countries.

B747forever wrote:


A government spokesperson said this decision would not effect US citizens coming in today and the few coming days, but the decision will be enforced quickly after.

Right now I believe Russia is on the same boat, America is not issuing non-immigrant visas from their missions in Russia. Aeroflot still operates to America.

Usually, you are required to apply for your visa in your country of residence. SOME countries let you apply from a consulate in any country. I am not sure of the US policy on this. And even so, that is a logistical nightmare...

Oh, and "America" issues no visas, as it's a continent of some 40+ countries.


Yes, usually you have to be a resident. But if US diplomatic missions issues no visas in your country, usually the policy is to let other (usually neighboring) to issue visas for those people. For example, Iranians usually came to Turkey to apply for their visas. Before this fall out, Venezuelans could apply for visas in Turkey. But yes it would be a nightmare.

Also no need to be pedantic on "America" :P . In the English language, America is a correct term for the US.
 
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Mon Oct 09, 2017 6:00 pm

ist2014 wrote:
While I was checkkng routesonline, i discovered some changes at QR, it refers to replacement of 788 s by either A330 orA350 at some routes, i wonder whether it is linked to free up 788s for TK lease, lets see


I've read somewhere that they (QR) are planning to transfer some 788s and Airbuses to Meridiana/Italy operations.
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Mon Oct 09, 2017 6:11 pm

1g wrote:
MalevTU134 wrote:
1g wrote:
Plus this is a suspension of visas in Turkey, not to Turkish citizens.

If Turkish Airlines really needs new visas, they can get it from US diplomatic missions in neighboring countries.



A government spokesperson said this decision would not effect US citizens coming in today and the few coming days, but the decision will be enforced quickly after.

Right now I believe Russia is on the same boat, America is not issuing non-immigrant visas from their missions in Russia. Aeroflot still operates to America.

Usually, you are required to apply for your visa in your country of residence. SOME countries let you apply from a consulate in any country. I am not sure of the US policy on this. And even so, that is a logistical nightmare...

Oh, and "America" issues no visas, as it's a continent of some 40+ countries.


Yes, usually you have to be a resident. But if US diplomatic missions issues no visas in your country, usually the policy is to let other (usually neighboring) to issue visas for those people. For example, Iranians usually came to Turkey to apply for their visas. Before this fall out, Venezuelans could apply for visas in Turkey. But yes it would be a nightmare.

Also no need to be pedantic on "America" :P . In the English language, America is a correct term for the US.

That applies if there is no mission in your country, not if they don't issue visas. It would render this policy useless if other US missions would issue visas instead. The real issue is that in order to get a visa application evaluated, they need to see some proof that you are likely to return, such as a job and real estate. Now, the US Embassy in Skopje, for example, may not be used to or equipped to evaluate Turkish documents.

As for America...ok, let's just start call Turkey "Eurasia" and that's that... :P
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation October 2017

Mon Oct 09, 2017 6:17 pm

Regarding the opening of the New Istanbul Airport:

Let me repeat, for once and all ---

1) The opening on 29th Oct. 2018 will be no more than a "ribbon cutting ceremony". There will be no commercial flights, the day after.
2) It's very very normal and timely that SHGM/DHMI will be starting certification process (starting with Runway No. 1) on Feb. 2018.
3) On Oct. 29th (2018), there will be only two runways ready and operational, certification (hopefully) completed.
4) Runway No. 3 can be completed and declared operational, at the earliest by mid to end of 2019.
5) As per ICAO's standards, the "nominal traffic" that can be handled by 2 independent but parallel runways will be 370.000 aircraft movements per year. This makes approx. 1.000 aircraft movements a day. However, as mentioned, this is the "nominal" figure. Today IST/AHL handles around 1.400 movements but under "forced & squeezed" operating conditions, and the runways are not even parallel! So the New Airport could manage that number (approx. 1.400-1.500), hopefully with less constraint. Will this make TK, much more punctual: hard to know without living thru it, but it should certainly be an improvement over today's.
6) In the New Airport, unfortunately, there may be a longer taxiing time (as compared with IST/AHL) than today's; no matter which runway will be utilised (1st, 2nd or 3rd). If and when the 4th will be operational, that will bring even longer taxiing time if and when the current (1st) Terminal will be used. So the construction of the second terminal will be a MUST.
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Re: Turkish Aviation October 2017

Mon Oct 09, 2017 8:03 pm

MalevTU134 wrote:
1g wrote:
MalevTU134 wrote:
Usually, you are required to apply for your visa in your country of residence. SOME countries let you apply from a consulate in any country. I am not sure of the US policy on this. And even so, that is a logistical nightmare...

Oh, and "America" issues no visas, as it's a continent of some 40+ countries.


Yes, usually you have to be a resident. But if US diplomatic missions issues no visas in your country, usually the policy is to let other (usually neighboring) to issue visas for those people. For example, Iranians usually came to Turkey to apply for their visas. Before this fall out, Venezuelans could apply for visas in Turkey. But yes it would be a nightmare.

Also no need to be pedantic on "America" :P . In the English language, America is a correct term for the US.

That applies if there is no mission in your country, not if they don't issue visas. It would render this policy useless if other US missions would issue visas instead. The real issue is that in order to get a visa application evaluated, they need to see some proof that you are likely to return, such as a job and real estate. Now, the US Embassy in Skopje, for example, may not be used to or equipped to evaluate Turkish documents.

As for America...ok, let's just start call Turkey "Eurasia" and that's that... :P


Ok, I don't want to drive this topic further off topic. The US Ambassador released a statement saying Turkish citizens can get apply for visas in missions outside of Turkey.

But of course, we can agree this will make it very difficult for a Turkish citizen to get a new visa, even though they can apply for one outside of Turkey. It could probably mean that a Turkish citizens will have a more difficult time getting approved outside of Turkey (As you mention, lacking means to evaluate Turkish documents).
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation October 2017

Mon Oct 09, 2017 8:56 pm

mafaky wrote:
Regarding the opening of the New Istanbul Airport:

Let me repeat, for once and all ---

1) The opening on 29th Oct. 2018 will be no more than a "ribbon cutting ceremony". There will be no commercial flights, the day after.
2) It's very very normal and timely that SHGM/DHMI will be starting certification process (starting with Runway No. 1) on Feb. 2018.
3) On Oct. 29th (2018), there will be only two runways ready and operational, certification (hopefully) completed.
4) Runway No. 3 can be completed and declared operational, at the earliest by mid to end of 2019.
5) As per ICAO's standards, the "nominal traffic" that can be handled by 2 independent but parallel runways will be 370.000 aircraft movements per year. This makes approx. 1.000 aircraft movements a day. However, as mentioned, this is the "nominal" figure. Today IST/AHL handles around 1.400 movements but under "forced & squeezed" operating conditions, and the runways are not even parallel! So the New Airport could manage that number (approx. 1.400-1.500), hopefully with less constraint. Will this make TK, much more punctual: hard to know without living thru it, but it should certainly be an improvement over today's.
6) In the New Airport, unfortunately, there may be a longer taxiing time (as compared with IST/AHL) than today's; no matter which runway will be utilised (1st, 2nd or 3rd). If and when the 4th will be operational, that will bring even longer taxiing time if and when the current (1st) Terminal will be used. So the construction of the second terminal will be a MUST.


Thank you mafaky for your elaborat posts about IGA.

In one of your post you mentioned the Runway-sets, each consisting of a main runway, an emergency runway and a taxiway.
Do you know by any chance if the main Runway and the emergency Runway can be operated together? Like both 17/35 Runways at current Atatürk Airport??

If the emergency Runways will be 3750mx45m and 4100mx45m than they are more than capable as current 3000x45 at IST Airport?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation October 2017

Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:26 pm

Effective December SITA will have a large team onhand in Istanbul to outfit technology (I presume CUTE system and related telecommunications systems) per French contractor I know.

Is the terminal building largely complete already to begin the technology installations?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation October 2017

Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:57 am

mercure1 wrote:
Effective December SITA will have a large team onhand in Istanbul to outfit technology (I presume CUTE system and related telecommunications systems) per French contractor I know.

Is the terminal building largely complete already to begin the technology installations?


SITA got the tender for the overall AODB System. (I guess this is the "Airport Operational Data Base"). The Terminal Building may still nıt be in the shape to start technology installations but the said team must be doing quite a lot pre-installations tests, etc.

It's hard to give a date as when the Terminal building will be fully ready for such installations. But maybe the delivery date of the FIDS (=Flight Information Display System) may give some clue. As per today, the deadline is end of April 2018. This means that all hardware must be installed and running, software ready and running. It goes without saying that all structural cabling must be finished and tested beforehand. Cabling is done by NETAS Telecom, all hardware for FIDS comes from the Turkish Electronics Giant VESTEL Electronics.

SITA couldn't get the tender for the FIDS side: theirs is much to expensive to purchase and also much too expensive to maintain. There will be approx. 3.000 terminals (mostly 48" & 55" LCD monitors) in the Main Passenger Terminal & VIP Terminal. And IGA wanted a possible upgrade to 3.750 terminals. Each terminal comes with a "controller", which actually is a mini PC which has to run on an OS. SITA's FIDS runs on Windows, so each time Windows stops the support of a particular OS, the OS has to be upgraded to the current one. That means a lot of bucks! (for Mr. Gates and his gang!...) The FIDS that the Spaniards at St. Sebastian (a Company named IKUSI) will be providing: it runs on Linux!... :lol:

But for the AODB there's no escape from Windows, but the number of terminals on that side should be pretty much less (no firm idea about the number but possibly around or less than 1.500...) :banghead:
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Re: Turkish Aviation October 2017

Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:03 am

@ TKFan :

In my understanding, the "emergency runway" is basically a "backup runway" in the case that the Main Runway cannot be used (due to some maintainence, even for a short term of cleaning possible debris, etc.). But you cannot use the Main Runway and the Emergency Runway simultaneously for flight operations. I case of IST/AHL's 17/35 parallel runways you also cannot use both simultaneously for flight operations as they are not separated enough for the allowed distance. Here at the New Airport, the distance between the Main & Emergency Runways are even less (in fact, much less...)
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Re: Turkish Aviation October 2017

Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:39 am

mafaky wrote:
I case of IST/AHL's 17/35 parallel runways you also cannot use both simultaneously for flight operations as they are not separated enough for the allowed distance. Here at the New Airport, the distance between the Main & Emergency Runways are even less (in fact, much less...)


IIRC, 17/35 been used at the same time. I tried to search but couldn't find those pictures. But I remember clearly I saw photos, 17R is being used for take-offs, 17L planes landing at the same time. Maybe someone else can help. This was at least few years back when runway 5 wasn't used at the current rate.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation October 2017

Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:11 pm

I remember both 17/35 L and R being used for takeoffs at the same time. Doesn't really increase capacity though since minimum separation needs to be respected due to wake turbulence.

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