LAXLHR wrote:gadFly wrote:I'm thoroughly amused by all those anti Air France posts. We don't even know what happened, but surely the pilots are to blame for an engine disintegrating in mid-air, of course; just like we should blame AF for destroying all types of planes it flies, right? By this kind of logic, we should have stopped boarding AA/US a long time ago, since they totalled MDs, Boeings and even Airbuses. Jasum.
If you read up on the problems that did affect AF cockpit culture in the early 2Ks (lots of skygods à la PanAm) and culminated in the 447 crash, you will see that they instituted a full reform of the crew standards. Does this change right away? Of course not. Must we stop flying AF? See my first point.
The new reforms are clearly not working , will get to that.
Anti AF?..or perhaps there is a different way to look at all of these comments. Most people on this forum spend their lives in the sky for work or business and we are sick of the "apparent" culture at AF!! We love aviation, aircrafts, airlines ....and are in wonder of it all!!. Major incidents and crashes saddened a lot of us to no end. People become frustrated and vent, mostly without a lot of knowledge or even experience, expertise...the beauty of mankind online haha )
I have not seen one post blaming these pilots for the engine disintegrating in mid-air (perhaps I missed it). Questioning diversion airports etc (sure, means little)..but if I was the pilot I would wish to be on the ground asap. Look I am not here to argue (and I do not enter into such ruffles on here) These are my thoughts, which actually mean very little to nothing in the bigger picture of things to do with AF or AF66. But when we look at AF, images come to mind of the A320 crashing in trees (its been a while, but still bloody spectacular), Concorde (say no more - not assigning that to AF, but the visual adds to the overall AF narrative ), A340 burnt out at the end of a runway, AF447 A330 - just the thought , and now the images of the A380 engine.
Early 2000s you say?...I think it continues. Air France nearly ran a 777 into an active volcano on 2.5.2015...clearing it by 400ft. 400!!!! Programmed a 777F at 100 tons under its actual weight heading to MEX, the plane did not accelerate fast enough on the runway at CDG for take off nearly crashing on 22.5.2015 ...and actually there is a long list of other incidences in addition to the actual crashes/incidents of Air France in recent memory. Oh we could get into their strange series of BOG take off issues, what happened in MRS with the A320 on approach and many many others. THIS is what comes to mind with Air France, along with their dirty unwashed planes and holding KLM hostage haha (I joke).
TK is a hot mess as well, along with other carriers, but jeeez...this is AIR FRANCE!!! For appearances sake you'd ground the A380 fleet for a day at least. But no, its the French, so business as usual. Not that AF cares about turning a profit, since KLM handles that burden.
It is frustrating to see.
So, the short version of that is you have no idea that Air France did anything wrong? Qantas spent 2 hours troubleshooting before landing QF32, should they have got it on the ground ASAP? BA and Korean recently had uncontained engine failures on 777s on takeoff. They didn't ground their fleets afterwards. What exactly is frustrating to see in this?