SJL wrote:

EK413 wrote:

qf789 wrote:

No that has already being announced

The rumour I have heard is EY is considering upgrading from 789 to 77W

Hmm, okay that will only leave QF upgauge their daily QF71 PER-SIN service to A330 equipment year round?

EK413

I could see SQ bring the A350 to PER, or even combine two of the four daily flights into one, operated with a 773 or 77W. The 772 fleet continues to decline in numbers.

SonOfABeech wrote:

Probably too early to know for sure, but any idea how the Socceroos will get to SAP?

qf2220 wrote:

I am surprised that QF hasn't put on more flights e.g. AKL-PER year round, or AKL-ADL (or maybe AKL-HBA even) as part of the approval process with the ACCC. These changes create a 3.7% volume decrease. The original approval required QF and EK to maintain pre competition capacity on TT - which at the time seemed to be the only really 'onerous' condition on the deal.

ZK-NBT wrote:

qf2220 wrote:

I am surprised that QF hasn't put on more flights e.g. AKL-PER year round, or AKL-ADL (or maybe AKL-HBA even) as part of the approval process with the ACCC. These changes create a 3.7% volume decrease. The original approval required QF and EK to maintain pre competition capacity on TT - which at the time seemed to be the only really 'onerous' condition on the deal.

I'm pretty sure that deal was originally 5 years, I would say there will be a few more changes to come, PER-AKL I would expect. AKL-ADL was tried a one point, of sure I see that again, HBA makes more sense for NZ with its American connections.

log0008 wrote:

Thanks to Ausbt we now have a table showing all the QF changes for BNE/SYD/MEL-AKL:
https://www.ausbt.com.au/here-is-qantas ... o-auckland

BNE gains 2 extra 737 flights each week and 1 flight upgraded to A330
MEL sees a new A330 flight each day and 1 flight upgraded to the A330 6 days per week

eamondzhang wrote:

THanks for the update. Looks like SYD's bird is swapping with BNE's (minus the overnight run); while between QF151 and QF158 there's a 7hr layover. The 7hr layover is probably not the best use of a/c though

MIchael

a7ala wrote:

eamondzhang wrote:

THanks for the update. Looks like SYD's bird is swapping with BNE's (minus the overnight run); while between QF151 and QF158 there's a 7hr layover. The 7hr layover is probably not the best use of a/c though

MIchael

The missing piece is the year-round A330 AKL-PER flying so there may be some cycling through?

jman wrote:

Given that Air Canada is successful enough to operate daily Vancouver flights to three different airports, would it be worthwhile for Qantas to attempt some flights, apart from the seasonal Sydney flight? Also considering the plane would be sitting on the ground for a long time like the LAX flights, could they do a tag flight and continue on to Toronto? Would there be enough demand to do that route and could they sell it to just Australians or to anyone?

qf789 wrote:

Dan23 wrote:

EK413 wrote:

EY B77W upgauge

EK413

Not CX swapping the A330 for A350?

No that has already being announced

The rumour I have heard is EY is considering upgrading from 789 to 77W

qf789 wrote:

jman wrote:

Given that Air Canada is successful enough to operate daily Vancouver flights to three different airports, would it be worthwhile for Qantas to attempt some flights, apart from the seasonal Sydney flight? Also considering the plane would be sitting on the ground for a long time like the LAX flights, could they do a tag flight and continue on to Toronto? Would there be enough demand to do that route and could they sell it to just Australians or to anyone?

BNE & SYD are daily from AC, when MEL starts it will only be 3 weekly. QF does not have the frames to start routes to Canada and if they did you would see SYD-YVR operate on a more frequent basis. A tag IMO to YYZ wouldn't not work, I don't think the demand would be there

qf2220 wrote:

I haven't seen it in the articles but i would assume that EK would continue to codeshare on the new QF flights? Possibly also revenue share (though we would never know if that was happening for certain, sans an ACCC submission.

Qantas’ new trans-Tasman services will carry Emirates code and will connect seamlessly to Qantas’ London services via Perth or Singapore and Emirates’ services between Australia and Europe via Dubai.

qf789 wrote:

jman wrote:

Given that Air Canada is successful enough to operate daily Vancouver flights to three different airports, would it be worthwhile for Qantas to attempt some flights, apart from the seasonal Sydney flight? Also considering the plane would be sitting on the ground for a long time like the LAX flights, could they do a tag flight and continue on to Toronto? Would there be enough demand to do that route and could they sell it to just Australians or to anyone?

BNE & SYD are daily from AC, when MEL starts it will only be 3 weekly. QF does not have the frames to start routes to Canada and if they did you would see SYD-YVR operate on a more frequent basis. A tag IMO to YYZ wouldn't not work, I don't think the demand would be there

LamboAston wrote:

qf789 wrote:

Dan23 wrote:

Not CX swapping the A330 for A350?

No that has already being announced

The rumour I have heard is EY is considering upgrading from 789 to 77W

I think you mean up gauging. Having flown on the EY 789 and 77W back to back, the 77W was much worse (with a crabby crew), so a 77W would be a downgrade, but upgauge

VirginFlyer wrote:

qf2220 wrote:

I haven't seen it in the articles but i would assume that EK would continue to codeshare on the new QF flights? Possibly also revenue share (though we would never know if that was happening for certain, sans an ACCC submission.

Here's what is in the press release (https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media-releases/qantas-and-emirates-partnership-update/):

Qantas’ new trans-Tasman services will carry Emirates code and will connect seamlessly to Qantas’ London services via Perth or Singapore and Emirates’ services between Australia and Europe via Dubai.

V/F

EK413 wrote:

qf789 wrote:

jman wrote:

Given that Air Canada is successful enough to operate daily Vancouver flights to three different airports, would it be worthwhile for Qantas to attempt some flights, apart from the seasonal Sydney flight? Also considering the plane would be sitting on the ground for a long time like the LAX flights, could they do a tag flight and continue on to Toronto? Would there be enough demand to do that route and could they sell it to just Australians or to anyone?

BNE & SYD are daily from AC, when MEL starts it will only be 3 weekly. QF does not have the frames to start routes to Canada and if they did you would see SYD-YVR operate on a more frequent basis. A tag IMO to YYZ wouldn't not work, I don't think the demand would be there

Word floating around the 3 x non ER frames destined for retirement won't be retired. Again it's only word floating around and if true QF will have sufficient frames to support daily SYD-YVR even though a B744 on the route is over kill.

EK413 wrote:

LamboAston wrote:

qf789 wrote:

No that has already being announced

The rumour I have heard is EY is considering upgrading from 789 to 77W

I think you mean up gauging. Having flown on the EY 789 and 77W back to back, the 77W was much worse (with a crabby crew), so a 77W would be a downgrade, but upgauge

I've heard a lot of negative feedback concerning their B77W aircraft but yeah I've also heard PER will be upgauged to B77W or in your case downgauged

EK413

qf789 wrote:

EK413 wrote:

qf789 wrote:

BNE & SYD are daily from AC, when MEL starts it will only be 3 weekly. QF does not have the frames to start routes to Canada and if they did you would see SYD-YVR operate on a more frequent basis. A tag IMO to YYZ wouldn't not work, I don't think the demand would be there

Word floating around the 3 x non ER frames destined for retirement won't be retired. Again it's only word floating around and if true QF will have sufficient frames to support daily SYD-YVR even though a B744 on the route is over kill.

Interesting, I don't think they would need to offer a daily service, maybe 3-4 weekly and perhaps increase it during peak periods. Of course if this does happens it will allow for some more expansion. I wonder if they will keep BNE-LAX-JFK with the 744 for the time being then, it would allow the 4 BNE based 789's to open up 2 new routes

EK413 wrote:

LamboAston wrote:

I think you mean up gauging. Having flown on the EY 789 and 77W back to back, the 77W was much worse (with a crabby crew), so a 77W would be a downgrade, but upgauge

I've heard a lot of negative feedback concerning their B77W aircraft but yeah I've also heard PER will be upgauged to B77W or in your case downgauged

EK413

From what I have been told EY wants to upgrade to 77W not only for more seats available but also more cargo as we. Its funny you say about the feedback on the 77W as my wife just returned from the UK earlier this week and flew EY and said the 77W was more comfortable than the 789

As for EY plenty a negative and neutral reviews http://www.airlinequality.com/seat-revi ... d-airways/ many favouring the retired A346 fleet.

qf789 wrote:

EK413 wrote:

qf789 wrote:

BNE & SYD are daily from AC, when MEL starts it will only be 3 weekly. QF does not have the frames to start routes to Canada and if they did you would see SYD-YVR operate on a more frequent basis. A tag IMO to YYZ wouldn't not work, I don't think the demand would be there

Wored floating around the 3 x non ER frames destined for retirement won't be retired. Again it's only word floating around and if true QF will have sufficient frames to support daily SYD-YVR even though a B744 on the route is over kill.

Interesting, I don't think they would need to offer a daily service, maybe 3-4 weekly and perhaps increase it during peak periods. Of course if this does happens it will allow for some more expansion. I wonder if they will keep BNE-LAX-JFK with the 744 for the time being then, it would allow the 4 BNE based 789's to open up 2 new routes

789

smi0006 wrote:

For an exotic note two new routes would be nice; YVR and DFW? Or ORD should be reachable from BNE?

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tullamarine wrote:

With QF gaining the 789s and reducing the use of A330s on domestic routes, do you believe it may be a time for it to reconsider services to India? I've recently been to India for work and, along with myself, there were quite a number of Australians transferring in SIN onto 9W services to India. SQ and CX also gets significant business into India from Australia.

Currently the only direct service to India from AU is the AI 788 service to Delhi. The largest financial centre and city with the largest population in India is Mumbai. BOM is easily reachable from SYD or MEL using a A332.

qf002 wrote:

tullamarine wrote:

With QF gaining the 789s and reducing the use of A330s on domestic routes, do you believe it may be a time for it to reconsider services to India? I've recently been to India for work and, along with myself, there were quite a number of Australians transferring in SIN onto 9W services to India. SQ and CX also gets significant business into India from Australia.

Currently the only direct service to India from AU is the AI 788 service to Delhi. The largest financial centre and city with the largest population in India is Mumbai. BOM is easily reachable from SYD or MEL using a A332.

A return to SYD-BOM should definitely be on QF's radar but they don't really have the aircraft to make it work right now. The A333s lack range, the new A332 configuration is not suitable at all for such a long flight and the 789s will be far too premium heavy.

It will be a perfect route for a future regional configured 789. Certainly space in that market though, maybe QF could work with 9W to launch BOM-SYD/MEL in the interim and then join in with their own metal down the track.

tullamarine wrote:

With QF gaining the 789s and reducing the use of A330s on domestic routes, do you believe it may be a time for it to reconsider services to India? I've recently been to India for work and, along with myself, there were quite a number of Australians transferring in SIN onto 9W services to India. SQ and CX also gets significant business into India from Australia..

Or what about the possibility of JQ if they had some spare 788 capacity? Maybe 3K can start the route with timings to connect onwards to QF’s flights to/from Australia?

the new A332 configuration is not suitable

tullamarine wrote:

the new A332 configuration is not suitable

I'm not sure why you would say this. The A332 has an excellent business class seat and the Y class seat is more spacious than QF could offer with a 789.

DeltaB717 wrote:

tullamarine wrote:

the new A332 configuration is not suitable

I'm not sure why you would say this. The A332 has an excellent business class seat and the Y class seat is more spacious than QF could offer with a 789.

Yes, but what it doesn't (yet) have is a crew rest facility suitable for such a long stage length.

tullamarine wrote:

JQ could do the flights direct with 788s but for the route to be attractive to business travellers, I think a full-service offering is required in both J & Y.

tullamarine wrote:

How did QF handle crew rest on the A332s when they were doing AKL-LAX?

USAOZ wrote:

just heard a rumour, that there will be new direct flights to west coast USA from Australia next year. Could it be that JQ will go nonstop to LAX or ?

Maybe a similar situation to SYD/HNL where both QF & JQ fly the route.

planemanofnz wrote:

USAOZ wrote:

just heard a rumour, that there will be new direct flights to west coast USA from Australia next year. Could it be that JQ will go nonstop to LAX or ?

Maybe a similar situation to SYD/HNL where both QF & JQ fly the route.

My pick is SEA - SYD on DL, with an A350-900 or 777-200LR.

SEA is the only major city on the west coast, with no direct flights to Australia or New Zealand.

Despite this, SEA is the fastest growing major city in the US, and is high-yielding, with Amazon, Boeing, Expedia, Micosoft and Starbucks all having significant operations there.

Cheers,

C.

jupiter2 wrote:

Don't PDX or SAN, hell even SJC count ?.

jupiter2 wrote:

planemanofnz wrote:

USAOZ wrote:

just heard a rumour, that there will be new direct flights to west coast USA from Australia next year. Could it be that JQ will go nonstop to LAX or ?

Maybe a similar situation to SYD/HNL where both QF & JQ fly the route.

My pick is SEA - SYD on DL, with an A350-900 or 777-200LR.

SEA is the only major city on the west coast, with no direct flights to Australia or New Zealand.

Despite this, SEA is the fastest growing major city in the US, and is high-yielding, with Amazon, Boeing, Expedia, Micosoft and Starbucks all having significant operations there.

Cheers,

C.

Don't PDX or SAN, hell even SJC count ?

My money would be on JQ doing CNS/LAX.

planemanofnz wrote:

log0008 wrote:

MEL-DFW (QF) combined with MEL-LAX (AA) or
SYD-SEA (DL) or
BNE-DFW (QF)
MEL/BNE-SFO (UA)

DFW is not on the west coast, so, no.

UA is a possibility, but it has already announced IAH - SYD, and is keeping its 787 fleet busy with the likes of SFO - SIN and LAX - SIN.

Cheers,

C.

log0008 wrote:

MEL-DFW (QF) combined with MEL-LAX (AA) or
SYD-SEA (DL) or
BNE-DFW (QF)
MEL/BNE-SFO (UA)

qf002 wrote:

tullamarine wrote:

JQ could do the flights direct with 788s but for the route to be attractive to business travellers, I think a full-service offering is required in both J & Y.

I agree. JQ would have a tough time competing for passengers who will quite happily fly D7/TZ or on deeply discounted MH, SQ, TG etc fares via Asia. It's a route where QF's yield advantage is more important than JQ's cost advantage.

tullamarine wrote:

How did QF handle crew rest on the A332s when they were doing AKL-LAX?

They curtained off two seats in J and still do for SYD-PEK. Can do the same on the new configuration but it makes an already smallish cabin even smaller and can have quite a significant impact on revenue.

The other issue particularly relevant to India is toilets and of course the galleys can't fit two full meal services (even with the new tray-less concept).

qantas747 wrote:

Ah considering we are at rumour stage, my thoughts are ADL-LAX with UA or QF. Adelaide airport has been looking to get north american flights for a while. QF could switch the BNE-LAX-JFK to 789 and add in ADL to lax 3pw with BNE-ORD or DFW 4pw. If ADL was to start then the current PM MEL-LAX could switch to MEL-SFO or MEL-DFW. I like the idea of CNS-LAX and SEA-SYD though.

Looking forward to the announcements!