Australian Aviation Thread - October 2017

qf789 · Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:10 pm

qf2220 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
qf2220 wrote:

Im assuming by this that there isn't yet an official ETA into Sydney? Am I right in thinking the date of arrival is still the 20th though? Im planning to go out and see it given I'm free that day!

Yes it's confirmed for a 710am arrival on Friday the 20th

Great, thanks. Any approach locked in for this flight or is it up to the weather like all other approaches? Im thinking about where best to go.

I'm not sure about any approach locked in. After it lands it will head to Hangar 96 where there will be a event held for its arrival which will last until 10am

qf789 · Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:29 pm

Indonesia AirAsia flight from PER earlier today (QZ535) suffered a pressurisation problem causing the aircraft to descend from 32000 feet to 10000 feet, aircraft in question is PK-AXD

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western ... 6ca87e07e2

qf789 · Sun Oct 15, 2017 1:02 pm

Another quick clip of ZNA

https://www.facebook.com/Qantas/videos/ ... 395067686/

qf789 · Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:35 pm

Here's the link on thread of delivery of VH-ZNA

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1376269

JBusworth · Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:00 pm

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-to-fly- ... s-new-york
Confirmation 787s will be used on BNE-LAX-JFK + BNE-ORD/DFW/SEA. I think the chances for second US city are in that order.

qf2220 · Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:07 pm

qf789 wrote:
Here's the link on thread of delivery of VH-ZNA

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1376269

Thanks

qf789 · Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:21 pm

Qantas to decide on extended PER-AKL year round over next few months

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-plots-d ... nd-flights

qf789 · Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:30 pm

Qantas eyes 737MAX and 797 for domestic routes, 787 will be used exclusively on international routes

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-eyes-bo ... stic-fleet

qf789 · Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:33 pm

Boeing pitches 777X to Qantas

https://www.ausbt.com.au/boeing-pitches ... ny-flights

JBusworth · Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:13 pm

I think all of these developments are exciting and hope they come to fruition. Would love to see PER-AKL and BNE-ORD as it will make the network more comprehensive. A 737Max, 777x and 797 QF fleet would be really good.

Obzerva · Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:29 pm

QF's public relations department has built this up a lot, and I believe it has engaged well with the Australian public.

However, I don't mean to put a dampener on all the QF 787 excitement, but the cynic in me says this a lot of excitement for an airline playing catchup.
QF could have had the 787s significantly earlier, but opted for JQ to have them first. When it arrives in SYD for the PR photos, they could park it beside a dreamliner from any of UA, NZ, JQ, JL, NH.

I doubt that part would be questioned by the Australian media, as a lot of media has been cut to the bone, so any slickly produced piece, even if it's company PR, is basically free content for them, with a lot of airtime that needs filling, its a win win for everyone.

*takes off cynical hat now*

Look forward to hearing the new route announcement, it's great to see new routes opening up.

qf789 · Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:21 am

One thing we do know is we wont being seeing any more orders for 787's this week

Joyce said that the airline would look to ordering more Dreamliners from 2018, pulling from its current book of 45 orders and options, but "there will be a gap" between signing on the dotted line and being haned over the keys.
"We do need to bed down the (Boeing 787) operation, we want to to demonstrate to the market and our shareholders that these 787s are making economic sense and we can make a good profit and return (from them)."
Next year we’ll have to start making calls (and) there are some that come available from the end of 2019 to 2020."

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-to-fly- ... s-new-york

undertheradar · Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:17 am

Obzerva wrote:
QF's public relations department has built this up a lot, and I believe it has engaged well with the Australian public.

However, I don't mean to put a dampener on all the QF 787 excitement, but the cynic in me says this a lot of excitement for an airline playing catchup.
QF could have had the 787s significantly earlier, but opted for JQ to have them first. When it arrives in SYD for the PR photos, they could park it beside a dreamliner from any of UA, NZ, JQ, JL, NH.

I doubt that part would be questioned by the Australian media, as a lot of media has been cut to the bone, so any slickly produced piece, even if it's company PR, is basically free content for them, with a lot of airtime that needs filling, its a win win for everyone.

*takes off cynical hat now*

Look forward to hearing the new route announcement, it's great to see new routes opening up.

If you do some research as why things have panned out the way they have panned out, the reasons are there in the public domain.

qf744fan · Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:50 am

Does QF have the rights (or reason) to make MEL-PER-LHR into a round the world flight, similar to what NZ offer?
Perhaps MEL-PER-LHR-LAX-MEL?

tullamarine · Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:54 am

qf744fan wrote:
Does QF have the rights (or reason) to make MEL-PER-LHR into a round the world flight, similar to what NZ offer?
Perhaps MEL-PER-LHR-LAX-MEL?

You'd have to wonder why they'd bother. NZ get away with it because LHR-LAX-AKL and LHR-HKG-AKL are similar distances. LHR-LAX-MEL is a lot further than LHR-PER-MEL (LHR-SIN-MEL etc) so the westbound route is not particularly compelling from a time point of view. Even if they could sell LHR-LAX separately, they are competing against a lot of airlines with significant loyalty bases at one end or the other including AA, BA, VS, DL and UA. The only way to compete would be on price meaning yield would be poor.

ZK-NBT · Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:55 am

qf744fan wrote:
Does QF have the rights (or reason) to make MEL-PER-LHR into a round the world flight, similar to what NZ offer?
Perhaps MEL-PER-LHR-LAX-MEL?

I'd say QF could fly LHR-LAX but I really doubt they will do it.

NZ no longer off RTW, HKG-LHR was dropped in 2013.

qf744fan · Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:03 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
qf744fan wrote:
Does QF have the rights (or reason) to make MEL-PER-LHR into a round the world flight, similar to what NZ offer?
Perhaps MEL-PER-LHR-LAX-MEL?

I'd say QF could fly LHR-LAX but I really doubt they will do it.

NZ no longer off RTW, HKG-LHR was dropped in 2013.

Understood, and thanks.

Perhaps once they have the range to go non-stop JFK or ORD in both directions.
I can dream

mariner · Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:12 am

tullamarine wrote:
qf744fan wrote:
Does QF have the rights (or reason) to make MEL-PER-LHR into a round the world flight, similar to what NZ offer?
Perhaps MEL-PER-LHR-LAX-MEL?

You'd have to wonder why they'd bother. NZ get away with it because LHR-LAX-AKL and LHR-HKG-AKL are similar distances.

NZ dropped HKG-LHR some time ago. It no longer flies round the world.

mariner

qantas747 · Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:14 am

JBusworth wrote:
https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-to-fly-boeing-787-on-brisbane-los-angeles-new-york
Confirmation 787s will be used on BNE-LAX-JFK + BNE-ORD/DFW/SEA. I think the chances for second US city are in that order.

Again SEA was mentioned first in the comms and other people keep switching the order. Considering the hype that they are putting on SEA with the delivery, it would seem that they will try there first.

Again, just guessing and reading into what has been written. ORD would seem to make more sense but SEA is perhaps a better opportunity when QF ran the numbers. I would also think that ORD would need to be close to daily early on like DFW to be of benefit to business travellers

qf789 · Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:19 am

Qantas second 789 VH-ZNB has entered final assembly

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https://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/ ... 6606040065

log0008 · Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:26 am

Some discussion starting to occur among pilots on pilot forums about concerns that as many as 30% of PER-LHR flights if operating this year at full pax load would have needed a fuel stop, going to be an interesting watch going forward.

undertheradar · Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:59 am

log0008 wrote:
Some discussion starting to occur among pilots on pilot forums about concerns that as many as 30% of PER-LHR flights if operating this year at full pax load would have needed a fuel stop, going to be an interesting watch going forward.

I occasionally take a gander at a certain 'professional pilots' rumour forum. ANYONE can join that site, and express their 'concerns'. SO many 'people' have agendas on that site. QF bashing is a sport. Apparently 'pilots' can now predict the success of QFs 787. Lots of 'IFs combined with whinging that their 'standard of living' isn't the same as 10years ago! WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD! I just look at it for a good laugh! :lol:

aerokiwi · Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:25 am

undertheradar wrote:
If you do some research as why things have panned out the way they have panned out, the reasons are there in the public domain.

So? Unless you're of the Qantas-can-do-no-wrong ilk, the "reasons" are largely of QF's own making. Sure, any airline is going to go all out to promote their new type, but as pointed out, this is all about 4-5 years after 787 entry to service was a big deal, even in our region.

In saying that, I'm glad to see QF finally jump on a new type and hope the entry to service goes well. Not sure I buy Joyce's need to "demonstrate its value" to shareholders before ordering more, but there does seem to be a flurry of chatter about new orders so perhaps it'll be sooner than that.

planemanofnz · Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:59 am

Joyce said in Seattle that "Qantas was also keen on flying directly from the eastern states to Cape Town and Rio de Janeiro in the future."

- Why GIG and not GRU?

- Can CPT not already be reached?

Cheers,

C.

VirginFlyer · Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:44 am

planemanofnz wrote:
Joyce said in Seattle that "Qantas was also keen on flying directly from the eastern states to Cape Town and Rio de Janeiro in the future."

- Why GIG and not GRU?

So the Peter Allen song can be used in its original lyrics without the slightly awkward substitution of Rome for Rio?

V/F

Sydscott · Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:59 am

planemanofnz wrote:
Joyce said in Seattle that "Qantas was also keen on flying directly from the eastern states to Cape Town and Rio de Janeiro in the future."

- Why GIG and not GRU?

- Can CPT not already be reached?

Cheers,

C.

CPT can be reached but an A380/744 is too big and/or would take a penalty to get there. So it's not an economic route to operate at present.

As for GIG - Rio de Janiero is Oil and Gas territory so would make sense for QF to serve. (There also isn't a particular advantage of using GRU over GIG coming from New Zealand or Australia)

juliusg · Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:00 am

UA840 (Syd>LAX) went tech and got cancelled yesterday Sunday 15 October with pax at the gate . Anyone know what happened to the aircraft?

ben175 · Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:14 am

PER-AKL to connect with LHR won't have the most optimal schedule. It would have to be something like:

PER 1500 AKL 2335
AKL 1445 PER 1815

I wonder if they could somehow rotate a 330 from SYD, MEL or BNE to avoid the 15 hour ground time?

LoganTheBogan · Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:44 am

It would be a real shame if QF went for the 777x, 737MAX and 797 combo. I really like the mixed Airbus and Boeing fleet and I actually found the A320neo and A321neo a lot more comfortable than the 737MAX I was on a few days ago. I can't judge the 777x yet as no one has been in it but the A350 is already a comfortable ride. Lets just hope the mix stays in the future!

AsiaTravel · Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:59 am

LoganTheBogan wrote:
It would be a real shame if QF went for the 777x, 737MAX and 797 combo. I really like the mixed Airbus and Boeing fleet and I actually found the A320neo and A321neo a lot more comfortable than the 737MAX I was on a few days ago. I can't judge the 777x yet as no one has been in it but the A350 is already a comfortable ride. Lets just hope the mix stays in the future!

Fully agree with this. I think Qantas statement was just sweet talking Boeing since it was a 789 delivery at Boeing HQ. I'm sure Qantas would have a different tone in Toulouse.

tullamarine · Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:39 am

AsiaTravel wrote:
LoganTheBogan wrote:
It would be a real shame if QF went for the 777x, 737MAX and 797 combo. I really like the mixed Airbus and Boeing fleet and I actually found the A320neo and A321neo a lot more comfortable than the 737MAX I was on a few days ago. I can't judge the 777x yet as no one has been in it but the A350 is already a comfortable ride. Lets just hope the mix stays in the future!

Fully agree with this. I think Qantas statement was just sweet talking Boeing since it was a 789 delivery at Boeing HQ. I'm sure Qantas would have a different tone in Toulouse.

You're right; this week QF have a bunch of journos on a massive freebie in Seattle. They are spending the week drinking the Qantas and Boeing Kool-Aid. It is hardly a week where questioning journalism will get much of a look in. Such "brave" action would jeopardise future invites!!!

qf002 · Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:19 am

AusBT thrives on a good press junket. Just wait until Star Alliance has their next big global conference and all you'll see on the site for a week is gushing stories about LH, LX, OS etc despite those carriers having almost zero relevance to Australian travellers.

Take anything they publish with a grain of salt. They get a few good quotes but otherwise their access to information is about as good as ours sitting at home.

zkncj · Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:25 am

ben175 wrote:
PER-AKL to connect with LHR won't have the most optimal schedule. It would have to be something like:

PER 1500 AKL 2335
AKL 1445 PER 1815

I wonder if they could somehow rotate a 330 from SYD, MEL or BNE to avoid the 15 hour ground time?

My gut feeling is the domestic A332s are going to get moved to AKL and operated by JetConnect within the next 12 months, and freeing up some of JetConnects 738s to head back to Aussie for the SYD/MEL-PER services.

Just this week QF has launch A332 services between MEL/BNE to AKL, so from March AKL-SYD 2x Daily, AKL-MEL 2x Daily, AKL-BNE 1x Daily. Seems that they are going to make the most out of AKL with the mining industry downturn.

Think we might see QF trying to milk some routes ex-AKL rather than have an bunch of 332s sitting around.

qf789 · Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:45 am

zkncj wrote:
ben175 wrote:
PER-AKL to connect with LHR won't have the most optimal schedule. It would have to be something like:

PER 1500 AKL 2335
AKL 1445 PER 1815

I wonder if they could somehow rotate a 330 from SYD, MEL or BNE to avoid the 15 hour ground time?

My gut feeling is the domestic A332s are going to get moved to AKL and operated by JetConnect within the next 12 months, and freeing up some of JetConnects 738s to head back to Aussie for the SYD/MEL-PER services.

Just this week QF has launch A332 services between MEL/BNE to AKL, so from March AKL-SYD 2x Daily, AKL-MEL 2x Daily, AKL-BNE 1x Daily. Seems that they are going to make the most out of AKL with the mining industry downturn.

Think we might see QF trying to milk some routes ex-AKL rather than have an bunch of 332s sitting around.

And what A332's sitting around might those be

kriskim · Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:00 am

qf002 wrote:
AusBT thrives on a good press junket. Just wait until Star Alliance has their next big global conference and all you'll see on the site for a week is gushing stories about LH, LX, OS etc despite those carriers having almost zero relevance to Australian travellers.

Take anything they publish with a grain of salt. They get a few good quotes but otherwise their access to information is about as good as ours sitting at home.

I somewhat agree, I feel like they get their "inside information" from forums such as these and write them up as "exclusives". They are more akin to a blog rather than your traditional news source.

Not to mention the grammar and spelling mistakes.

EK413 · Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:21 am

qf2220 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
qf2220 wrote:

Im assuming by this that there isn't yet an official ETA into Sydney? Am I right in thinking the date of arrival is still the 20th though? Im planning to go out and see it given I'm free that day!

Yes it's confirmed for a 710am arrival on Friday the 20th

Great, thanks. Any approach locked in for this flight or is it up to the weather like all other approaches? Im thinking about where best to go.

Out of QF control. I'd say a harbour flyover would be on the cards

EK413

qf789 · Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:31 am

EK413 wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
qf789 wrote:

Yes it's confirmed for a 710am arrival on Friday the 20th

Great, thanks. Any approach locked in for this flight or is it up to the weather like all other approaches? Im thinking about where best to go.

Out of QF control. I'd say a harbour flyover would be on the cards

EK413

Yes a flyover of Sydney Harbour is planned (weather and ATC permitting), on landing there will be the usual water salute, aircraft will not stop off at T1 for customs/immigration, instead there will be a pop up set up at Hangar 96 for those on board

USAOZ · Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:33 am

JBusworth wrote:
https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-to-fly-boeing-787-on-brisbane-los-angeles-new-york
Confirmation 787s will be used on BNE-LAX-JFK + BNE-ORD/DFW/SEA. I think the chances for second US city are in that order.

Ord ? Trying to read it on phone but can't see where it says bne oed confirmed ?

qf789 · Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:35 am

USAOZ wrote:
JBusworth wrote:
https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-to-fly-boeing-787-on-brisbane-los-angeles-new-york
Confirmation 787s will be used on BNE-LAX-JFK + BNE-ORD/DFW/SEA. I think the chances for second US city are in that order.

Ord ? Trying to read it on phone but can't see where it says bne oed confirmed ?

That's because it hasn't been confirmed, all that's been confirmed is BNE-LAX-JFK

USAOZ · Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:43 am

Think bne sfo might be kore likely than ord

log0008 · Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:47 am

Tianjin Airlines in the week of 15OCT17’s OAG Schedules Analyser update filed proposed schedule for Sydney route. The airline intends to operate Tianjin – Zhengzhou – Sydney service twice weekly, with first flight tentatively scheduled on 29JAN18. Proposed schedule as follow.

Reservation for this route is not available.

GS7939 TSN1310 – 1435CGO1635 – 0630+1SYD 332 15
GS7940 SYD0830 – 1625CGO1925 – 2050TSN 332 26

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/...edule-in-1q18/

qf789 · Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:02 am

An investigation has been launched by the ATSB after yesterday's incident on QZ535

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/airasia ... 979f31ab5b

UKtoOzFlyer · Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:03 am

planemanofnz wrote:
Joyce said in Seattle that "Qantas was also keen on flying directly from the eastern states to Cape Town and Rio de Janeiro in the future."

- Why GIG and not GRU?

- Can CPT not already be reached?

Cheers,

C.

If CASA allowed extended ETOPS and AJ bought the 350-1000, then yes, CPT is reachable.

eamondzhang · Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:46 pm

UKtoOzFlyer wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
Joyce said in Seattle that "Qantas was also keen on flying directly from the eastern states to Cape Town and Rio de Janeiro in the future."

- Why GIG and not GRU?

- Can CPT not already be reached?

Cheers,

C.

If CASA allowed extended ETOPS and AJ bought the 350-1000, then yes, CPT is reachable.

They don't need A350-1000 to do CPT, A359 and B789 is more than enough for the job. Heck even A332 if they wanted to (albert from PER only). The issue is sorely on ETOPS.

Michael

bunumuring · Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:15 pm

Hey guys,
So happy that Seattle is being mentioned as a possible QF port... my dream destination from Australia!
As for -ZNA's name, I believe that someone has confirmed somewhere else on the web that it will be 'Great Southern Land'... I still prefer 'Dreamtime' however for the initial delivery. 'Quokka' will definitely be one the first four (due to the first four flying through Perth) while 'Great Barrier Reef' is expected to be #5, and the first to be based in Brisbane.
I will be at the arrival of -ZNA on Friday and plan to stay Thursday night at the Rydges (upper floors, planespotters package) ... Anyone else have similar plans?
Cheers,
Bunumuring

NZ321 · Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:24 pm

SEA makes a huge amount of sense to me given the growth in this city and the corporate travel needs out of SEA. An increasing number of airlines in Europe and Asia see reason to serve both SEA and YVR why not QF? All the more so because of their long cooperation with AS. Should be top of the list from my point of view. Can fly direct to SYD, unlike ORD. The question seems to be whats does ORD give QF over and above DFW and JFK? Or perhaps the strategy is to axe JFK once ORD is commenced?Thoughts?

qf789 · Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:52 pm

Some interesting comments from EK's Tim Clark on QF and the 787

“I think its trip economics, its bottom line, is going to be fantastic,” said Emirates president Tim Clark. “I’m sure Alan and his planner know exactly (what they will be able to do with the plane).”
Sir Tim said the non-stop Perth-to-London route that starts in March next year “will be a real litmus test to see how that works with the cabin size in economy”.
“But given the strength of that particular market, I’m sure he will fill the airplanes all the time,” Sir Tim said.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busines ... 4e33840fb8

Seems the 3 class 789 will also be used in Asia

Qantas International chief executive Gareth Evans said: “Because of the size, these aircraft are also going to be great for our Asian network as well.” With 236 seats, there was a great opportunity “to use these wonderfully flexible and efficient aircraft right around our network”. Mr Evans said the airline’s partnership with Emirates remained important but the 787 “certainly gives Qantas the capability to start to grow into parts of the world that we’ve been unable to economically and profitably serve with the technology that has gone to date”.

qf789 · Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:55 pm

VH-ZNA on the move

https://twitter.com/JenSchuld/status/919951912530714627

A330freak · Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:49 pm

Confirmation that ZNA is indeed called "Great Southern Land"
https://twitter.com/AusAviation/status/ ... 1621401600

VirginFlyer · Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:59 pm

A330freak wrote:
Confirmation that ZNA is indeed called "Great Southern Land"
https://twitter.com/AusAviation/status/ ... 1621401600

Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
Stranded like a runaway, lost at sea

Love it!

V/F

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