KarelXWB wrote:

flee wrote:

I believe the B787-10 will mostly replace their A330-300s whereas the A350-900s will replace their B777-200ERs.

SQ expressed plans that A350 Regional will replace the A330s, and 787-10 will replace the regional 777s.

Why have two frames for same missions when one will be enough?
Both A330 and 772 are being used on regional routes, so why not just replace them with 7810?

I have a feeling that none of the A359 will be of the Regional flavour.

Maybe a few years ago that was the plan. It is possible that 19 of the A359 were supposed to be Regional but due to the A359 performing so well on long-haul flights, SQ may take all 60 as standard A359.

The new order for 19 additional 78J may be to replace all A333 and the regional 772/3.

325i wrote:

i agree with the comments that it is one good looking aircraft BUT SQ still have that boring colour scheme ! Time for a change? 325i

Their livery is timeless and iconic. It has clearly stood the test of time!

VirginFlyer wrote:

Some great photos posted in the 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43:

First 787-10 in Singapore Airlines livery has rolled out of paint, 9V-SCB









https://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/sta ... 8236786690

V/F

I'm not sure why some people have such a negative view of the SQ livery, it's a classic and classy look and it looks glorious on the 787. Only think I don't like is the small white band where the fuselage tapers downwards, it looks better on the A330 and A350 than the 777, 787 and A380.

MoKa777 wrote:

I have a feeling that none of the A359 will be of the Regional flavour.

Maybe a few years ago that was the plan. It is possible that 19 of the A359 were supposed to be Regional but due to the A359 performing so well on long-haul flights, SQ may take all 60 as standard A359.

The new order for 19 additional 78J may be to replace all A333 and the regional 772/3.

Word is that the next 359 built may be fitted with the regional product.

jeffrey0032j wrote:

MoKa777 wrote:

I have a feeling that none of the A359 will be of the Regional flavour.

Maybe a few years ago that was the plan. It is possible that 19 of the A359 were supposed to be Regional but due to the A359 performing so well on long-haul flights, SQ may take all 60 as standard A359.

The new order for 19 additional 78J may be to replace all A333 and the regional 772/3.

Word is that the next 359 built may be fitted with the regional product.

Oh snap! Now my logic is falling apart... why SQ gotta be so weird, though?! Haha

The titles can be smaller. Not as small as the previous size that was on the 747, but a tad smaller.

flee wrote:

airbazar wrote:

For comparison, this region, the ASEAN region is a a region of 625 million people. By contrast, the EU is a region with a population of 511 million people, and North America is a region with a population of 565 million people. Still think this is too much for SIA?

Statistics can mislead - how many of those 625 million people have income levels high enough to enable them to fly? Right now, many of them are on subsistence living. The GDP per capita in ASEAN is far lower than that of the EU and North America!

But the economies are all growing. The fleet decision should be based on projected air travel demand in the future not what is looks like now. Does anyone really think air travel in ASEAN in the next 20 years will be lower than it is now? (the 20 years is roughly the time frame that will see 787-10 delivery, service, and retirement at SQ)

Plus as someone already noted, you can't connect SIN by high speed rail to CGK, DPS or HKT. Flying is the only feasible way to connect a lot of city pairs in ASEAN region for the foreseeable future. More so than Europe or North America.

bzcat wrote:

flee wrote:

airbazar wrote:

For comparison, this region, the ASEAN region is a a region of 625 million people. By contrast, the EU is a region with a population of 511 million people, and North America is a region with a population of 565 million people. Still think this is too much for SIA?

Statistics can mislead - how many of those 625 million people have income levels high enough to enable them to fly? Right now, many of them are on subsistence living. The GDP per capita in ASEAN is far lower than that of the EU and North America!

But the economies are all growing. The fleet decision should be based on projected air travel demand in the future not what is looks like now. Does anyone really think air travel in ASEAN in the next 20 years will be lower than it is now? (the 20 years is roughly the time frame that will see 787-10 delivery, service, and retirement at SQ)

Plus as someone already noted, you can't connect SIN by high speed rail to CGK, DPS or HKT. Flying is the only feasible way to connect a lot of city pairs in ASEAN region for the foreseeable future. More so than Europe or North America.

Yes, I agree with your point - my only reservation about the size of the ASEAN market is that many are projecting it to be a gold mine that is much bigger than it will be in reality.

Countries like Laos and Cambodia are extremely poor and they don't have the infrastructure - building airports isn't exactly their top priority. Even in relatively developed Indonesia, some of the airports are not up to the ICAO standards and many airlines are on the EU blacklist for poor safety. The only bright spark in ASEAN is Vietnam - their growth rate has been rather impressive.

What I am saying is that we should not be overly bullish about the market potential because there are lots of obstacles that need to be overcome before the civil aviation industry of this region can be comparable to those we already have in North America and Europe.

MrHMSH wrote:

VirginFlyer wrote:

Some great photos posted in the 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43:

First 787-10 in Singapore Airlines livery has rolled out of paint, 9V-SCB









https://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/sta ... 8236786690

V/F

I'm not sure why some people have such a negative view of the SQ livery, it's a classic and classy look and it looks glorious on the 787. Only think I don't like is the small white band where the fuselage tapers downwards, it looks better on the A330 and A350 than the 777, 787 and A380.

The SQ livery has survived the test of time. Since its introduction in 1972, the livery has received minor tweaks but have essentially remained the same. The updates have worked to keep it current. It is one of the better liveries around today while many airlines have developed some new and very boring looking ones.

I have not seen any official seatmap of the 787-10 for SQ besides mentioning the new regional C class. Was it confirmed that they will be 9 abreast in Y?

I know this is just cabin talk but when I flew SIN-AMS on A359 I was asking the flight manager about the A359 and his opinion about it. He said great plane but a bit tight in Y for SQ standard. So even considereing the manager was no decision maker and you cannot compare long-haul to a regional bird a 9 abreast 787-10 is even tighter and the regional 777 have always remained in 9 abreast.

bzcat wrote:

Plus as someone already noted, you can't connect SIN by high speed rail to CGK, DPS or HKT. Flying is the only feasible way to connect a lot of city pairs in ASEAN region for the foreseeable future. More so than Europe or North America.

Its a phrase quoted to death but still.... Never say never!

Its a stretch but doable to connect SIN to JKT by HSR in the mid to long term future. A series of over-water bridges of not more than 20km length each, southwest across a few Riau islands to Sumatra with stops at Pekanbaru, Jambi, Palembang and Bandar Lampung. Then the short jump to the northwestern tip of Java at Cilegon, and you are soon in sight of Jkt.
From there a future pan-Java HSR could soon be in the pipeline (work already started on the JKT-BDO sector), connecting all the way to Bali.

Ditto for HKT though a little more dicey. The confirmed HSR from SIN to KUL will be on line around 2025. From there on to the Thai border will be a natural development and there's (admittedly not yet concrete) plans for a line through to BKK and beyond to connect to China's Yunnan province. A spur to HKT is not in the realm of fiction.
Of course, these won't be anytime soon; 20 years at the very earliest in the most optimistic eyes but the point is that they are feasible.
The only contention is your definition of "foreseeable". My sight is arguably longer than yours.

SQ22 wrote:

I have not seen any official seatmap of the 787-10 for SQ besides mentioning the new regional C class. Was it confirmed that they will be 9 abreast in Y?

I know this is just cabin talk but when I flew SIN-AMS on A359 I was asking the flight manager about the A359 and his opinion about it. He said great plane but a bit tight in Y for SQ standard. So even considereing the manager was no decision maker and you cannot compare long-haul to a regional bird a 9 abreast 787-10 is even tighter and the regional 777 have always remained in 9 abreast.

I'm happy that someone out there is reasonable enough to realise that a 9-abreast A350 is tighter than and a step backwards (seat width wise) from the A330, A380 and 9-abreast 777. People tend to ignore this just because the 787 at 9-abreast is tighter still.

It would be counter-intuitive for SQ to configure regional 78Js with 8-abreast (and by extension, 0.5 inch wider) seats compared to what is available on their long-haul, and soon ULR, A359 offering.

325i wrote:

i agree with the comments that it is one good looking aircraft BUT SQ still have that boring colour scheme ! Time for a change? 325i

Couldn't disagree more. I think it's one of the best liveries out there. Timeless indeed, just like Lufthansa. I hope they'll never change it.

She's a BEAUTY!!

Is it me or does the 787-10 look a bit "skinny" without a 6 wheel bogie?

SYDSpotter wrote:

Is it me or does the 787-10 look a bit "skinny" without a 6 wheel bogie?

I really love the look of the 787-9. The -10 is a little bit tooooo long for me ... but as they say, beauty is in the eye of the beholder...

SYDSpotter wrote:

Is it me or does the 787-10 look a bit "skinny" without a 6 wheel bogie?

I have exactly the same feeling.
That being said, she is a beauty

Its certainly been many months since the LOI but the order for the -10 and 779 was never in doubt.
It will be formally firmed in the next few days, during the Singapore Prime Minister's visit to the US.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/singapore-airlines-to-finalise-us-13-8b-boeing-order-next-week-9327122

neutrino wrote:

Its certainly been many months since the LOI but the order for the -10 and 779 was never in doubt.
It will be formally firmed in the next few days, during the Singapore Prime Minister's visit to the US.

Singapore converted the LoIs to firm orders on 23 June (as a UFO). So this will just be a PR exercise (and Boeing will then formally move them from UFO to SQ in their Order Page). There is also some speculation that SQ may add additional orders during the visit.

The real beauty of 787s is just after rotation, viewed from the rear, with the wings flexing... it seems alive.

Regarding the livery: the livery is the visual representation of what the company stands for, which is consistency, reliability, timeless elegance ect. SQ innovates but the brand is so well recognised that it probably serves SQ better to keep it going rather than modify it.

The 787-10 will really help SQ - it’s 772 fleet in particular is really getting long in the tooth in terms of the on-board product and with SQ facing increasing competition from all angles it’s great to see the older fleet being replaced with something cutting edge.

Singapore Airlines, in my opinion, has been a let down especially because of their new regional business class seat. Compare that to other airlines like CX who uses a standard seat throughout their A350 fleet.