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NZ321 wrote:I would think that SQ will not be putting a 9 abreast 787 on long haul routes. Why would they when they have the 359 with higher levels of passenger comfort in the back of the plane for an all round better long haul flying experience on long haul? These sorts of points of difference matter to an airline like SQ.
The airplane will now undergo the painting of the airline's livery and begin its system checks, fueling, and engine runs. Singapore Airlines is due to take delivery of its first 787-10 in the first half of 2018 and will be operated on the airline's medium-haul routes.
planemanofnz wrote:NZ321 wrote:I would think that SQ will not be putting a 9 abreast 787 on long haul routes. Why would they when they have the 359 with higher levels of passenger comfort in the back of the plane for an all round better long haul flying experience on long haul? These sorts of points of difference matter to an airline like SQ.
One would hope so, yes.
For Southeast Asia, and maybe even on some routes to China and India, I do not see 9-abreast as being too much of a problem.
However, I wonder how much damage a 9-abreast 787 would do to the SQ brand in Australia, particularly if SQ want to maintain a premium over the ME3 on the 'Kangaroo route?' Product consistency between the Australia - Asia and Asia - Europe flights is key.
Perhaps the damage will be minimal, given that QF will no doubt soon be flying such 787s to Asia too, and CX are refitting their 777s (which they fly to SYD) to a (cosy) 3-4-3 configuration.
Cheers,
C.
MoKa777 wrote:It all just sounds like too much to me.
Silkair will have:
30-50 73M8
Scoot will have:
up to 40 A320
20 787
Singapore will have:
60 A359
7 A359ULR
19 A388
20 779
49 78J
Total: 245-265 aircraft
That is a lot! Especially in a region that has so much competition, and growing. LionAir and AirAsia have a combined order book of 1000 or more.
airbazar wrote:.........
airbazar wrote:For comparison, this region, the ASEAN region is a a region of 625 million people. By contrast, the EU is a region with a population of 511 million people, and North America is a region with a population of 565 million people. Still think this is too much for SIA?
MoKa777 wrote:It all just sounds like too much to me.
Silkair will have:
30-50 73M8
Scoot will have:
up to 40 A320
20 787
Singapore will have:
60 A359
7 A359ULR
19 A388
20 779
49 78J
Total: 245-265 aircraft
That is a lot! Especially in a region that has so much competition, and growing. LionAir and AirAsia have a combined order book of 1000 or more.
SQ themselves are very premium and quire expensive. This limits their customer base. It is not as if the Chinese carriers aren't growing and will not be able to see to their wealthy population's travels.
Don't even get me started on the A359 regional and 78J role duplication. Unless they have future plans that require the flexibility of paper upping the weights for the A359Rs and using them on longer missions. So much to think about!
I may be wrong. I am probably very wrong LOL.
airbazar wrote:MoKa777 wrote:It all just sounds like too much to me.
Silkair will have:
30-50 73M8
Scoot will have:
up to 40 A320
20 787
Singapore will have:
60 A359
7 A359ULR
19 A388
20 779
49 78J
Total: 245-265 aircraft
That is a lot! Especially in a region that has so much competition, and growing. LionAir and AirAsia have a combined order book of 1000 or more.
For comparison, this region, the ASEAN region is a a region of 625 million people. By contrast, the EU is a region with a population of 511 million people, and North America is a region with a population of 565 million people. Still think this is too much for SIA?
cheeken wrote:airbazar wrote:For comparison, this region, the ASEAN region is a a region of 625 million people. By contrast, the EU is a region with a population of 511 million people, and North America is a region with a population of 565 million people. Still think this is too much for SIA?
The problem is, of these 625 million people, a large majority of them are poor and cannot afford flights, or if they can, not very frequently...
But no, I don't think it's too much for SIA...they probably have the numbers to support their flights...ASEAN alone doesn't have that many SIA destinations to begin with, they're mostly operated by silkair!
bzcat wrote:In the other thread, the consensus seems to be that SQ will shift some of the regional Asia flights from SQ to Silk or Scoot. So that means Silk will probably see some widebody planes down the road... probably A359R is my guess. 787-10 will be a good Scoot plane on routes to India or China, and SQ may also operate some.
Stitch wrote:The first 787-10 for SQ has emerged from the CHS FAL and it is in SQ colors, so it's clear that at least some of the fleet will be operated by SQ (and I expect most, if not all, will be).
Image Courtesy of https://twitter.com/AirlineFlyer/status ... 5530125312
JAAlbert wrote:Stitch wrote:The first 787-10 for SQ has emerged from the CHS FAL and it is in SQ colors, so it's clear that at least some of the fleet will be operated by SQ (and I expect most, if not all, will be).
Image Courtesy of https://twitter.com/AirlineFlyer/status ... 5530125312
My, that 787-10 is a good looking plane!
iahcsr wrote:JAAlbert wrote:Stitch wrote:The first 787-10 for SQ has emerged from the CHS FAL and it is in SQ colors, so it's clear that at least some of the fleet will be operated by SQ (and I expect most, if not all, will be).
Image Courtesy of https://twitter.com/AirlineFlyer/status ... 5530125312
My, that 787-10 is a good looking plane!
This will be the first -10 delivered to SQ true. But two others have been built for the testing program and will go to SQ at a later time. This is also true for one UA aircraft. All will need major refurbishment obviously after Boeing is done with them so no idea when delivery will take place. Wonder if SQ and UA fleet sequencing will reflect these as the first built?
iahcsr wrote:JAAlbert wrote:Stitch wrote:The first 787-10 for SQ has emerged from the CHS FAL and it is in SQ colors, so it's clear that at least some of the fleet will be operated by SQ (and I expect most, if not all, will be).
Image Courtesy of https://twitter.com/AirlineFlyer/status ... 5530125312
My, that 787-10 is a good looking plane!
This will be the first -10 delivered to SQ true. But two others have been built for the testing program and will go to SQ at a later time. This is also true for one UA aircraft. All will need major refurbishment obviously after Boeing is done with them so no idea when delivery will take place. Wonder if SQ and UA fleet sequencing will reflect these as the first built?
CanadaFair wrote:Can Silk should get SQ A330s and resume some ex-SQ routes and maybe even take over Athens and Jeddah as well.
Coal wrote:cheeken wrote:airbazar wrote:For comparison, this region, the ASEAN region is a a region of 625 million people. By contrast, the EU is a region with a population of 511 million people, and North America is a region with a population of 565 million people. Still think this is too much for SIA?
The problem is, of these 625 million people, a large majority of them are poor and cannot afford flights, or if they can, not very frequently...
But no, I don't think it's too much for SIA...they probably have the numbers to support their flights...ASEAN alone doesn't have that many SIA destinations to begin with, they're mostly operated by silkair!
But wealth is growing at an incredibly rapid pace. People talk a lot about the competition from Lionair and Air Asia. And yet, e.g. SQ still flies 8x daily SIN-CGK (9x daily on some days, but the restriction is from CGK), primarily on 773As, which have 50 J seats. I fly this route twice a week, and I can tell you the flights are packed. I pay about S$1,000 for full fare Y, while saver fares are around S$500-600, for a flight that is barely over one hour long. These 773As also have long haul F, and that, plus the 50 regional J seats always go full.
Antarius wrote:Coal wrote:cheeken wrote:
The problem is, of these 625 million people, a large majority of them are poor and cannot afford flights, or if they can, not very frequently...
But no, I don't think it's too much for SIA...they probably have the numbers to support their flights...ASEAN alone doesn't have that many SIA destinations to begin with, they're mostly operated by silkair!
But wealth is growing at an incredibly rapid pace. People talk a lot about the competition from Lionair and Air Asia. And yet, e.g. SQ still flies 8x daily SIN-CGK (9x daily on some days, but the restriction is from CGK), primarily on 773As, which have 50 J seats. I fly this route twice a week, and I can tell you the flights are packed. I pay about S$1,000 for full fare Y, while saver fares are around S$500-600, for a flight that is barely over one hour long. These 773As also have long haul F, and that, plus the 50 regional J seats always go full.
Also totally different target markets. SIA is flooded with corporate contracts while Air Asia and more so Lion are targeting those on a budget and new time fliers.
SIN-CGK on SIA was 900 USD in Y a few months ago. Lion Air was 21 USD.
JAAlbert wrote:Stitch wrote:The first 787-10 for SQ has emerged from the CHS FAL and it is in SQ colors, so it's clear that at least some of the fleet will be operated by SQ (and I expect most, if not all, will be).
Image Courtesy of https://twitter.com/AirlineFlyer/status ... 5530125312
My, that 787-10 is a good looking plane!
Antarius wrote:Coal wrote:Antarius wrote:
Also totally different target markets. SIA is flooded with corporate contracts while Air Asia and more so Lion are targeting those on a budget and new time fliers.
SIN-CGK on SIA was 900 USD in Y a few months ago. Lion Air was 21 USD.
Indeed. Get on an SQ flight on Monday mornings to CGK, KUL, BKK, or RGN. It's the consultant express
I wonder how long that will last.. lets be honest - SIN-CGK is like an hour something. 900 USD is f***ing ridiculous.
I knew a couple of smaller companies that had SQ and their equivalents as corporate travel, but if you booked elsewhere, the difference was split between the company and you. So in my example, you fly Lion Air for 21 USD, you pocket 440 USD. Wonder if this will eventually expand in the region given the LCC downward pressure.
Antarius wrote:Coal wrote:Antarius wrote:
Also totally different target markets. SIA is flooded with corporate contracts while Air Asia and more so Lion are targeting those on a budget and new time fliers.
SIN-CGK on SIA was 900 USD in Y a few months ago. Lion Air was 21 USD.
Indeed. Get on an SQ flight on Monday mornings to CGK, KUL, BKK, or RGN. It's the consultant express
I wonder how long that will last.. lets be honest - SIN-CGK is like an hour something. 900 USD is f***ing ridiculous.
I knew a couple of smaller companies that had SQ and their equivalents as corporate travel, but if you booked elsewhere, the difference was split between the company and you. So in my example, you fly Lion Air for 21 USD, you pocket 440 USD. Wonder if this will eventually expand in the region given the LCC downward pressure.
Coal wrote:Antarius wrote:Coal wrote:Indeed. Get on an SQ flight on Monday mornings to CGK, KUL, BKK, or RGN. It's the consultant express
I wonder how long that will last.. lets be honest - SIN-CGK is like an hour something. 900 USD is f***ing ridiculous.
I knew a couple of smaller companies that had SQ and their equivalents as corporate travel, but if you booked elsewhere, the difference was split between the company and you. So in my example, you fly Lion Air for 21 USD, you pocket 440 USD. Wonder if this will eventually expand in the region given the LCC downward pressure.
Although interestingly with Lionair and Batik, combined they have the same frequency as SQ (9x daily). But then again, 738/A320 vs. 773A, and yet SQ still manages to charge that much. CGK is for sure a cash cow.
KarelXWB wrote:The SIA 787-10 will feature a new regional business class, expected to be lie-flat & direct aisle access:
https://centreforaviation.com/insights/ ... ive-375194
KarelXWB wrote:The SIA 787-10 will feature a new regional business class, expected to be lie-flat & direct aisle access:
https://centreforaviation.com/insights/ ... ive-375194
maortega15 wrote:KarelXWB wrote:The SIA 787-10 will feature a new regional business class, expected to be lie-flat & direct aisle access:
https://centreforaviation.com/insights/ ... ive-375194
https://www.ausbt.com.au/singapore-airl ... irbus-a350
The seats will also be on medium-haul configured A350s.
CX can hopefully take notes and come up with a similar product.
SuperTwin wrote:100% agree. Best looking widebody out there. 77W bumped to 2nd place...
cheeken wrote:airbazar wrote:For comparison, this region, the ASEAN region is a a region of 625 million people. By contrast, the EU is a region with a population of 511 million people, and North America is a region with a population of 565 million people. Still think this is too much for SIA?
The problem is, of these 625 million people, a large majority of them are poor and cannot afford flights, or if they can, not very frequently...
But no, I don't think it's too much for SIA...they probably have the numbers to support their flights...ASEAN alone doesn't have that many SIA destinations to begin with, they're mostly operated by silkair!
VirginFlyer wrote:Some great photos posted in the 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43:
First 787-10 in Singapore Airlines livery has rolled out of paint, 9V-SCB
https://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/sta ... 8236786690
V/F
SuperTwin wrote:JAAlbert wrote:Stitch wrote:The first 787-10 for SQ has emerged from the CHS FAL and it is in SQ colors, so it's clear that at least some of the fleet will be operated by SQ (and I expect most, if not all, will be).
Image Courtesy of https://twitter.com/AirlineFlyer/status ... 5530125312
My, that 787-10 is a good looking plane!
100% agree. Best looking widebody out there. 77W bumped to 2nd place...
airbazar wrote:For comparison, this region, the ASEAN region is a a region of 625 million people. By contrast, the EU is a region with a population of 511 million people, and North America is a region with a population of 565 million people. Still think this is too much for SIA?
Continental767 wrote:VirginFlyer wrote:
My god she is a BEAUTY
325i wrote:i agree with the comments that it is one good looking aircraft BUT SQ still have that boring colour scheme ! Time for a change? 325i
flee wrote:I believe the B787-10 will mostly replace their A330-300s whereas the A350-900s will replace their B777-200ERs.
VirginFlyer wrote:Some great photos posted in the 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43:
First 787-10 in Singapore Airlines livery has rolled out of paint, 9V-SCB
https://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/sta ... 8236786690
V/F