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Singapore Airlines Boeing 787-10

Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:57 am

On 24 October 2012, Scoot announced that its parent company Singapore Airlines would be transferring the 20 Boeing 787-9 Dreamliners they had ordered to Scoot to replace their current fleet of Boeing 777-200 aircraft and help with its ongoing expansion and future growth.

In 2013, Singapore Airlines placed an initial order of 30 Boeing 787-10 aircraft. The first aircraft will be delivered between 2018 and 2019.

On 9 February 2017, Singapore Airlines signed a letter of intent to purchase 39 aircraft - 20 Boeing 777-9 and an additional 19 Boeing 787-10. The deal also includes options for 12 more aircraft. The proposed order, which is valued at US$13.8 billion based on published list prices, includes flexibility for the Singapore Airlines Group to substitute the 787-10 orders for other variants of the 787 family.

All this info is from Wiki. So what I'm wondering, will the Boeing 787s be out of place in SQ considering that they already have 16 Airbus A350-900 and 51 more on order, inclusive of 7 A350-900ulr? Won't there be no commonality or will it be unaffected considering that Scoot has 9 Boeing 787-8 and 6 787-9 right now?
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Re: Singapore Airlines Boeing 787-10

Fri Sep 29, 2017 9:29 am

Well 49 is large enough that commonality is less of an issue. Also there is some commonality in that they have a large B777 fleet too. Also the 787 are more for the short to mid range routes to Asia whereas the A350 are designed for more thinner and longer missions to USA/Europe.
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Re: Singapore Airlines Boeing 787-10

Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:07 am

In short, I don't see the 787-10 bound for Scoot. There's no way Scoot will absorb all those planes. SQ bought the 787-10 as their regional people mover. I imagine it will replace 773 and higher demand A333 regional routes. Plenty of those. 787-9 for Scoot makes sense. We could see a scenario where 787-9s all go to Scoot, and 787-10s to SQ. Then 359 replace 772 and some longer A333 routes. I would think that SQ will not be putting a 9 abreast 787 on long haul routes. Why would they when they have the 359 with higher levels of passenger comfort in the back of the plane for an all round better long haul flying experience on long haul? These sorts of points of difference matter to an airline like SQ.
 
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Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:32 am

^ The remaining 787-8s and 787-9s are already going to Scoot. The order listed under Singapore Airlines is only the 787-10. The most recent top-up order for 19 787-10s is still unidentified on Boeing's order book, it's unclear how they will be distributed between both airlines. They have the option to convert to the other 2 version, so it's indeed possible that if Scoots get more 787 from this order they will change their part to the 787-9. But I could see Scoot use some 787-10 on their most busy routes.
 
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Fri Sep 29, 2017 11:25 am

NZ321 wrote:
I would think that SQ will not be putting a 9 abreast 787 on long haul routes. Why would they when they have the 359 with higher levels of passenger comfort in the back of the plane for an all round better long haul flying experience on long haul? These sorts of points of difference matter to an airline like SQ.

One would hope so, yes.

For Southeast Asia, and maybe even on some routes to China and India, I do not see 9-abreast as being too much of a problem.

However, I wonder how much damage a 9-abreast 787 would do to the SQ brand in Australia, particularly if SQ want to maintain a premium over the ME3 on the 'Kangaroo route?' Product consistency between the Australia - Asia and Asia - Europe flights is key.

Perhaps the damage will be minimal, given that QF will no doubt soon be flying such 787s to Asia too, and CX are refitting their 777s (which they fly to SYD) to a (cosy) 3-4-3 configuration.

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Re: Singapore Airlines Boeing 787-10

Fri Sep 29, 2017 11:47 am

SQ will use the 787-10 for short-to-medium-range higher-density routes into Asia. I'm not sure if they'll use them to Australia... they seem happy with A350s to Australia and NZ (also the A350-900 is slightly smaller than the 787-10).

Also, at armrest height the A350 is only 2.2" wider than the 787. SQ could probably fit close-to-A350-width seats into the 787 if they just use 1.5" armrests in the 787 (like are used in the A350).
 
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Re: Singapore Airlines Boeing 787-10

Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:12 pm

According to the press release below, the 787-10 will be used on medium-haul routes:

The airplane will now undergo the painting of the airline's livery and begin its system checks, fueling, and engine runs. Singapore Airlines is due to take delivery of its first 787-10 in the first half of 2018 and will be operated on the airline's medium-haul routes.


http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2017-10-03- ... Dreamliner

The A350s are meant for long-haul operations, while A350 Regional will replace the A330s in the long term. The 787-10 will most likely replace the regional 777s.
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Re: Singapore Airlines Boeing 787-10

Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:45 pm

It all just sounds like too much to me.

Silkair will have:
30-50 73M8

Scoot will have:
up to 40 A320
20 787

Singapore will have:
60 A359
7 A359ULR
19 A388
20 779
49 78J

Total: 245-265 aircraft

That is a lot! Especially in a region that has so much competition, and growing. LionAir and AirAsia have a combined order book of 1000 or more.

SQ themselves are very premium and quire expensive. This limits their customer base. It is not as if the Chinese carriers aren't growing and will not be able to see to their wealthy population's travels.

Don't even get me started on the A359 regional and 78J role duplication. Unless they have future plans that require the flexibility of paper upping the weights for the A359Rs and using them on longer missions. So much to think about!

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Re: Singapore Airlines Boeing 787-10

Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:12 pm

In the other thread, the consensus seems to be that SQ will shift some of the regional Asia flights from SQ to Silk or Scoot. So that means Silk will probably see some widebody planes down the road... probably A359R is my guess. 787-10 will be a good Scoot plane on routes to India or China, and SQ may also operate some.
 
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Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:59 pm

The first 787-10 for SQ has emerged from the CHS FAL and it is in SQ colors, so it's clear that at least some of the fleet will be operated by SQ (and I expect most, if not all, will be).

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Re: Singapore Airlines Boeing 787-10

Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:08 pm

planemanofnz wrote:
NZ321 wrote:
I would think that SQ will not be putting a 9 abreast 787 on long haul routes. Why would they when they have the 359 with higher levels of passenger comfort in the back of the plane for an all round better long haul flying experience on long haul? These sorts of points of difference matter to an airline like SQ.

One would hope so, yes.

For Southeast Asia, and maybe even on some routes to China and India, I do not see 9-abreast as being too much of a problem.

However, I wonder how much damage a 9-abreast 787 would do to the SQ brand in Australia, particularly if SQ want to maintain a premium over the ME3 on the 'Kangaroo route?' Product consistency between the Australia - Asia and Asia - Europe flights is key.

Perhaps the damage will be minimal, given that QF will no doubt soon be flying such 787s to Asia too, and CX are refitting their 777s (which they fly to SYD) to a (cosy) 3-4-3 configuration.

Cheers,

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EK fly 777 and A380 to Australia. The A380s are fine, but the 777s are 3-4-3. QR fly the A380, 777 and A350. The 777 there has the same problem. EY fly the A380, 777 and 787. The 777 is 3-4-3 and the 787 is 3-3-3. Qantas will start using the 787 non-stop to LHR.

Honestly, don't think it will be much of a problem for SQ. And even then, I can see the 787 flying exclusively to PER, ADL and BNE, while I still imagine the 777 and A380 to have significant roles to MEL and SYD. Could even imagine them putting the A350 on BNE, MEL and SYD rather than the 787. PER is only a 5 hour flight, ADL a bit further, but not too bad, so I think the 787 will be fine.

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Re: Singapore Airlines Boeing 787-10

Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:16 pm

MoKa777 wrote:
It all just sounds like too much to me.

Silkair will have:
30-50 73M8

Scoot will have:
up to 40 A320
20 787

Singapore will have:
60 A359
7 A359ULR
19 A388
20 779
49 78J

Total: 245-265 aircraft

That is a lot! Especially in a region that has so much competition, and growing. LionAir and AirAsia have a combined order book of 1000 or more.


For comparison, this region, the ASEAN region is a a region of 625 million people. By contrast, the EU is a region with a population of 511 million people, and North America is a region with a population of 565 million people. Still think this is too much for SIA?
 
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Re: Singapore Airlines Boeing 787-10

Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:40 pm

SQ absolutely has a premium product. Best long haul coach I've ever experienced. However they were also price competitive with other airlines headed to DPS. Outstanding product can only get so much business on Y where cost rules.
 
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Tue Oct 03, 2017 8:06 pm

airbazar wrote:
.........

Agreed. SQ is immensely popular among the rich and powerful, at least to the Malaysians and Indonesians, and to a lesser extent Thais and Filipinos that I know and know of.

Especially Indonesians. The moneyed ones swear by SQ, opting for a layover in Singapore for long haul and regional flights. Many of them are very regular passengers from Jakarta, commuting at least once a week between the capitals.
Likewise officialdom. I was told by an Indonesian Embassy official who as part of the receiving/welcoming party for his country's numerous VIPs (overseeing 34 provinces with total population of over 260 million) is perennially on standby 24/7 to be on hand to meet & greet the the huge phalanx of governors, regents, mayors, senior military commanders and other major officials. Many of these high-ranking men and women choose SIA for its prestige and of course its connecting global network.

Many people underestimate all these substantial numbers.
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Re: Singapore Airlines Boeing 787-10

Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:53 pm

airbazar wrote:
For comparison, this region, the ASEAN region is a a region of 625 million people. By contrast, the EU is a region with a population of 511 million people, and North America is a region with a population of 565 million people. Still think this is too much for SIA?


The problem is, of these 625 million people, a large majority of them are poor and cannot afford flights, or if they can, not very frequently...

But no, I don't think it's too much for SIA...they probably have the numbers to support their flights...ASEAN alone doesn't have that many SIA destinations to begin with, they're mostly operated by silkair!
 
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Re: Singapore Airlines Boeing 787-10

Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:25 pm

MoKa777 wrote:
It all just sounds like too much to me.

Silkair will have:
30-50 73M8

Scoot will have:
up to 40 A320
20 787

Singapore will have:
60 A359
7 A359ULR
19 A388
20 779
49 78J

Total: 245-265 aircraft

That is a lot! Especially in a region that has so much competition, and growing. LionAir and AirAsia have a combined order book of 1000 or more.

SQ themselves are very premium and quire expensive. This limits their customer base. It is not as if the Chinese carriers aren't growing and will not be able to see to their wealthy population's travels.

Don't even get me started on the A359 regional and 78J role duplication. Unless they have future plans that require the flexibility of paper upping the weights for the A359Rs and using them on longer missions. So much to think about!

I may be wrong. I am probably very wrong LOL.


This seems like an optimized fleet for them. The fleets arent that diverse but can be optimized for their routes and passengers. This is the type of lineup SQ needs to be profitable in the future.
 
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Re: Singapore Airlines Boeing 787-10

Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:10 am

airbazar wrote:
MoKa777 wrote:
It all just sounds like too much to me.

Silkair will have:
30-50 73M8

Scoot will have:
up to 40 A320
20 787

Singapore will have:
60 A359
7 A359ULR
19 A388
20 779
49 78J

Total: 245-265 aircraft

That is a lot! Especially in a region that has so much competition, and growing. LionAir and AirAsia have a combined order book of 1000 or more.


For comparison, this region, the ASEAN region is a a region of 625 million people. By contrast, the EU is a region with a population of 511 million people, and North America is a region with a population of 565 million people. Still think this is too much for SIA?


I humbly stand corrected.

I understand that most of the increase in global passenger numbers will come from intra-Asia flights. It's just that SQ itself has not done as well financially for a while now and their load factors also aren't exactly reassuring. However, the future will hopefully be brighter and good on them for planning to take advantage of the opportunities that may arise.
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Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:11 am

cheeken wrote:
airbazar wrote:
For comparison, this region, the ASEAN region is a a region of 625 million people. By contrast, the EU is a region with a population of 511 million people, and North America is a region with a population of 565 million people. Still think this is too much for SIA?


The problem is, of these 625 million people, a large majority of them are poor and cannot afford flights, or if they can, not very frequently...

But no, I don't think it's too much for SIA...they probably have the numbers to support their flights...ASEAN alone doesn't have that many SIA destinations to begin with, they're mostly operated by silkair!

But wealth is growing at an incredibly rapid pace. People talk a lot about the competition from Lionair and Air Asia. And yet, e.g. SQ still flies 8x daily SIN-CGK (9x daily on some days, but the restriction is from CGK), primarily on 773As, which have 50 J seats. I fly this route twice a week, and I can tell you the flights are packed. I pay about S$1,000 for full fare Y, while saver fares are around S$500-600, for a flight that is barely over one hour long. These 773As also have long haul F, and that, plus the 50 regional J seats always go full.
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Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:13 am

bzcat wrote:
In the other thread, the consensus seems to be that SQ will shift some of the regional Asia flights from SQ to Silk or Scoot. So that means Silk will probably see some widebody planes down the road... probably A359R is my guess. 787-10 will be a good Scoot plane on routes to India or China, and SQ may also operate some.

While some may be shifted to Scoot, none will go to Silk. What's the point? Silk is a FSC, so why have them overlap with SQ? Actually, SQ is very smart in using MI. They use MI to places were demand is low but there's enough premium demand to warrant a FSC to provide a higher standard of service to connect to long haul SQ flights, e.g. to KNO, UPG, etc. Also, SQ uses MI to enter new markets, particularly in Southeast and South Asia, as a way to test the market, stimulate demand, before potentially replacing the flights with SQ wide body metal.
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Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:44 am

Stitch wrote:
The first 787-10 for SQ has emerged from the CHS FAL and it is in SQ colors, so it's clear that at least some of the fleet will be operated by SQ (and I expect most, if not all, will be).

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My, that 787-10 is a good looking plane!
 
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Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:12 pm

JAAlbert wrote:
Stitch wrote:
The first 787-10 for SQ has emerged from the CHS FAL and it is in SQ colors, so it's clear that at least some of the fleet will be operated by SQ (and I expect most, if not all, will be).

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My, that 787-10 is a good looking plane!

This will be the first -10 delivered to SQ true. But two others have been built for the testing program and will go to SQ at a later time. This is also true for one UA aircraft. All will need major refurbishment obviously after Boeing is done with them so no idea when delivery will take place. Wonder if SQ and UA fleet sequencing will reflect these as the first built?
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Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:24 pm

iahcsr wrote:
JAAlbert wrote:
Stitch wrote:
The first 787-10 for SQ has emerged from the CHS FAL and it is in SQ colors, so it's clear that at least some of the fleet will be operated by SQ (and I expect most, if not all, will be).

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My, that 787-10 is a good looking plane!

This will be the first -10 delivered to SQ true. But two others have been built for the testing program and will go to SQ at a later time. This is also true for one UA aircraft. All will need major refurbishment obviously after Boeing is done with them so no idea when delivery will take place. Wonder if SQ and UA fleet sequencing will reflect these as the first built?


According to the 787 blog it will be the second one delivered. This one being LN622 is likely to join the flight test program. LN656 is tentatively scheduled to be the first delivered to SQ in March but that may change. LN656 is due to enter final assembly late November/early December
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Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:43 pm

iahcsr wrote:
JAAlbert wrote:
Stitch wrote:
The first 787-10 for SQ has emerged from the CHS FAL and it is in SQ colors, so it's clear that at least some of the fleet will be operated by SQ (and I expect most, if not all, will be).

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My, that 787-10 is a good looking plane!

This will be the first -10 delivered to SQ true. But two others have been built for the testing program and will go to SQ at a later time. This is also true for one UA aircraft. All will need major refurbishment obviously after Boeing is done with them so no idea when delivery will take place. Wonder if SQ and UA fleet sequencing will reflect these as the first built?

No, this is the first production 787-10, but not the first 787-10 for SQ.

The first 787-10 for SQ should be LN656, explained here by NYC777 in his blog:

http://nyc787.blogspot.com/2017/10/boeing-rolls-out-first-production-787.html

From the information in NYC777's spreadsheet, the 787-10 production list up till the first delivery is as below (sorted by delivery date):
LN656 ZC004 60253 (9V-SCA)* SQ RR 3/1/2018 787-10 #5,4th RR, Tentatively 1st SQ delivery
LN622 ZC003 60254 9V-SCB* SQ RR 4/30/2018 787-10 #4, 3rd RR, Tentatively 2nd SQ delivery
And the test flight planes
LN565 ZC002 60257 N565ZC/9V- Boeing/SQ RR 8/1/2018 787-10 #3, 2nd RR
LN528 ZC001 60256 N528ZC/9V- Boeing/SQ RR 10/10/2018 787-10 #1, 1st RR
LN548 ZC036 40929 N548ZC/N Boeing/UA GE 12/17/2018 787-10 #2, 1st GE

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Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:46 pm

Can Silk should get SQ A330s and resume some ex-SQ routes and maybe even take over Athens and Jeddah as well.
 
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Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:58 pm

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Can Silk should get SQ A330s and resume some ex-SQ routes and maybe even take over Athens and Jeddah as well.

The SQ A330s are all leased, and are not expected to stay in the fleet in the medium term; many of them have left the fleet for other airlines. I don't think SQ or its subsidiaries would have a say about where these planes can go, and would have a negotiate new deals with the lessors if they decide to extend the lease on these.

Furthermore Silkair is now specifically meant to be SQ's narrowbody "full-service" subsidiary, doesn't make sense for them to operate routes deemed too low-yielding that can be operated by Scoot (eg ATH and JED).
 
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Thu Oct 05, 2017 4:09 pm

Coal wrote:
cheeken wrote:
airbazar wrote:
For comparison, this region, the ASEAN region is a a region of 625 million people. By contrast, the EU is a region with a population of 511 million people, and North America is a region with a population of 565 million people. Still think this is too much for SIA?


The problem is, of these 625 million people, a large majority of them are poor and cannot afford flights, or if they can, not very frequently...

But no, I don't think it's too much for SIA...they probably have the numbers to support their flights...ASEAN alone doesn't have that many SIA destinations to begin with, they're mostly operated by silkair!

But wealth is growing at an incredibly rapid pace. People talk a lot about the competition from Lionair and Air Asia. And yet, e.g. SQ still flies 8x daily SIN-CGK (9x daily on some days, but the restriction is from CGK), primarily on 773As, which have 50 J seats. I fly this route twice a week, and I can tell you the flights are packed. I pay about S$1,000 for full fare Y, while saver fares are around S$500-600, for a flight that is barely over one hour long. These 773As also have long haul F, and that, plus the 50 regional J seats always go full.


Also totally different target markets. SIA is flooded with corporate contracts while Air Asia and more so Lion are targeting those on a budget and new time fliers.

SIN-CGK on SIA was 900 USD in Y a few months ago. Lion Air was 21 USD.
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Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:50 am

Antarius wrote:
Coal wrote:
cheeken wrote:

The problem is, of these 625 million people, a large majority of them are poor and cannot afford flights, or if they can, not very frequently...

But no, I don't think it's too much for SIA...they probably have the numbers to support their flights...ASEAN alone doesn't have that many SIA destinations to begin with, they're mostly operated by silkair!

But wealth is growing at an incredibly rapid pace. People talk a lot about the competition from Lionair and Air Asia. And yet, e.g. SQ still flies 8x daily SIN-CGK (9x daily on some days, but the restriction is from CGK), primarily on 773As, which have 50 J seats. I fly this route twice a week, and I can tell you the flights are packed. I pay about S$1,000 for full fare Y, while saver fares are around S$500-600, for a flight that is barely over one hour long. These 773As also have long haul F, and that, plus the 50 regional J seats always go full.


Also totally different target markets. SIA is flooded with corporate contracts while Air Asia and more so Lion are targeting those on a budget and new time fliers.

SIN-CGK on SIA was 900 USD in Y a few months ago. Lion Air was 21 USD.

Indeed. Get on an SQ flight on Monday mornings to CGK, KUL, BKK, or RGN. It's the consultant express ;)
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Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:55 am

JAAlbert wrote:
Stitch wrote:
The first 787-10 for SQ has emerged from the CHS FAL and it is in SQ colors, so it's clear that at least some of the fleet will be operated by SQ (and I expect most, if not all, will be).

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My, that 787-10 is a good looking plane!


100% agree. Best looking widebody out there. 77W bumped to 2nd place... :)
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Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:05 am

Antarius wrote:
Coal wrote:
Antarius wrote:

Also totally different target markets. SIA is flooded with corporate contracts while Air Asia and more so Lion are targeting those on a budget and new time fliers.

SIN-CGK on SIA was 900 USD in Y a few months ago. Lion Air was 21 USD.

Indeed. Get on an SQ flight on Monday mornings to CGK, KUL, BKK, or RGN. It's the consultant express ;)


I wonder how long that will last.. lets be honest - SIN-CGK is like an hour something. 900 USD is f***ing ridiculous.

I knew a couple of smaller companies that had SQ and their equivalents as corporate travel, but if you booked elsewhere, the difference was split between the company and you. So in my example, you fly Lion Air for 21 USD, you pocket 440 USD. Wonder if this will eventually expand in the region given the LCC downward pressure.

I pay that much for SQ. It gives me a lot of flexility. There have been so many times on a Friday evening going to the airport in Jakarta with unpredictable traffic that I missed my flight but automatically was put on the next flight. Not sure it'd be that easy with JT. Also, for people like me who have to travel every single week, I think it'd be unacceptable to have to fly an LCC when SQ is available.
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Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:06 am

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Coal wrote:
Antarius wrote:

Also totally different target markets. SIA is flooded with corporate contracts while Air Asia and more so Lion are targeting those on a budget and new time fliers.

SIN-CGK on SIA was 900 USD in Y a few months ago. Lion Air was 21 USD.

Indeed. Get on an SQ flight on Monday mornings to CGK, KUL, BKK, or RGN. It's the consultant express ;)


I wonder how long that will last.. lets be honest - SIN-CGK is like an hour something. 900 USD is f***ing ridiculous.

I knew a couple of smaller companies that had SQ and their equivalents as corporate travel, but if you booked elsewhere, the difference was split between the company and you. So in my example, you fly Lion Air for 21 USD, you pocket 440 USD. Wonder if this will eventually expand in the region given the LCC downward pressure.

Although interestingly with Lionair and Batik, combined they have the same frequency as SQ (9x daily). But then again, 738/A320 vs. 773A, and yet SQ still manages to charge that much. CGK is for sure a cash cow.
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Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:39 am

Coal wrote:
Antarius wrote:
Coal wrote:
Indeed. Get on an SQ flight on Monday mornings to CGK, KUL, BKK, or RGN. It's the consultant express ;)


I wonder how long that will last.. lets be honest - SIN-CGK is like an hour something. 900 USD is f***ing ridiculous.

I knew a couple of smaller companies that had SQ and their equivalents as corporate travel, but if you booked elsewhere, the difference was split between the company and you. So in my example, you fly Lion Air for 21 USD, you pocket 440 USD. Wonder if this will eventually expand in the region given the LCC downward pressure.

Although interestingly with Lionair and Batik, combined they have the same frequency as SQ (9x daily). But then again, 738/A320 vs. 773A, and yet SQ still manages to charge that much. CGK is for sure a cash cow.


With the comparison of USD900 for SQ and USD21 for Lion it is deliberately taking 2 extremes: one 100% full fare, full flexibility, peak hours including taxes and charges and the other is 100% off peak non-changeable non-refundable limited seats and no fees and taxes included. In reality, off peak Lion is about USD$150, GK USD$180 and SQ USD$200 if all are off peak, non-changeable, non-refundable, limited seat availability and fees and taxes included.There is a difference but it is not big and my family almost always takes the SQ option because SQ includes seat selection and the others don't. If you fly at a specific time for business, price is no longer the primary consideration.
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Re: Singapore Airlines Boeing 787-10

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The SIA 787-10 will feature a new regional business class, expected to be lie-flat & direct aisle access:

https://centreforaviation.com/insights/ ... ive-375194
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Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:31 am

KarelXWB wrote:
The SIA 787-10 will feature a new regional business class, expected to be lie-flat & direct aisle access:

https://centreforaviation.com/insights/ ... ive-375194

https://www.ausbt.com.au/singapore-airl ... irbus-a350

The seats will also be on medium-haul configured A350s.

CX can hopefully take notes and come up with a similar product.
 
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Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:40 am

KarelXWB wrote:
The SIA 787-10 will feature a new regional business class, expected to be lie-flat & direct aisle access:

https://centreforaviation.com/insights/ ... ive-375194


Interesting, I’m not sure it would be lie flat. If it was and one didnt have to get up to turn the seat flat would it not be better than the current seat albeit not as wide?
 
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Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:04 am

maortega15 wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
The SIA 787-10 will feature a new regional business class, expected to be lie-flat & direct aisle access:

https://centreforaviation.com/insights/ ... ive-375194

https://www.ausbt.com.au/singapore-airl ... irbus-a350

The seats will also be on medium-haul configured A350s.

CX can hopefully take notes and come up with a similar product.


That article is 18 months old. Are SQ still doing a regional A350? Or will they be all long haul? The 78J will be all regional as they don't have the range for long haul, compared to the A359.
 
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Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:22 pm

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100% agree. Best looking widebody out there. 77W bumped to 2nd place... :)


I think she just hugs the ground too much.

A little taller gear would make her look much better
 
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Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:55 am

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airbazar wrote:
For comparison, this region, the ASEAN region is a a region of 625 million people. By contrast, the EU is a region with a population of 511 million people, and North America is a region with a population of 565 million people. Still think this is too much for SIA?


The problem is, of these 625 million people, a large majority of them are poor and cannot afford flights, or if they can, not very frequently...

But no, I don't think it's too much for SIA...they probably have the numbers to support their flights...ASEAN alone doesn't have that many SIA destinations to begin with, they're mostly operated by silkair!


Just to add to this discussion... ASEAN is also highly separated by the ocean, so for routes like CGK to BKK, MNL to SIN, KUL to SGN, etc, flying is largely the only option.

Also, in comparison to MH, GA, maybe TG, SQ has more routes to Europe, NA, and Australia, and comparable, if not better, to East Asia.

Scoot is still expanding and quite a good competitor to the neighboring AirAsia, while SQ seems like it has its target market well-cornered. The number of incoming planes seems huge, but I think it covers the demand well.
 
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Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:01 am

Some great photos posted in the 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43:

First 787-10 in Singapore Airlines livery has rolled out of paint, 9V-SCB

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https://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/sta ... 8236786690

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Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:47 am

VirginFlyer wrote:
Some great photos posted in the 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43:

First 787-10 in Singapore Airlines livery has rolled out of paint, 9V-SCB

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https://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/sta ... 8236786690

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Re: Singapore Airlines Boeing 787-10

Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:56 am

SuperTwin wrote:
JAAlbert wrote:
Stitch wrote:
The first 787-10 for SQ has emerged from the CHS FAL and it is in SQ colors, so it's clear that at least some of the fleet will be operated by SQ (and I expect most, if not all, will be).

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Image Courtesy of https://twitter.com/AirlineFlyer/status ... 5530125312


My, that 787-10 is a good looking plane!


100% agree. Best looking widebody out there. 77W bumped to 2nd place... :)


I think the 777-9 will look refined over the 777-300ER. Looking forward to that!

But the 787-10! My lord! I'm having trouble figuring out whether the -9 or -10 is better looking :P
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Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:01 am

Oh how much better it would look with a taller gear like the 777.
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Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:14 am

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For comparison, this region, the ASEAN region is a a region of 625 million people. By contrast, the EU is a region with a population of 511 million people, and North America is a region with a population of 565 million people. Still think this is too much for SIA?

Statistics can mislead - how many of those 625 million people have income levels high enough to enable them to fly? Right now, many of them are on subsistence living. The GDP per capita in ASEAN is far lower than that of the EU and North America!
 
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Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:17 am

Take a look at the finished product here: https://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/sta ... 8236786690

I believe the B787-10 will mostly replace their A330-300s whereas the A350-900s will replace their B777-200ERs.
 
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Re: Singapore Airlines Boeing 787-10

Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:06 am

What a great looking plane! With A350s and now 78Xs, SQ is getting the classic refresh. Would love to fly them some day.
 
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Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:16 am

Continental767 wrote:
VirginFlyer wrote:

My god she is a BEAUTY :cloudnine:


My thoughts exactly!

How long before delivery should SQ announce the config (or how long before do they usually do it, given past example, such as the 359/388 etc.)?
 
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Re: Singapore Airlines Boeing 787-10

Fri Oct 13, 2017 6:14 am

i agree with the comments that it is one good looking aircraft BUT SQ still have that boring colour scheme ! Time for a change? 325i
 
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Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:03 am

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i agree with the comments that it is one good looking aircraft BUT SQ still have that boring colour scheme ! Time for a change? 325i

To each their own I guess - I find the SQ scheme elegant and timeless, with some decent minor updates since the 1970s.

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Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:52 am

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I believe the B787-10 will mostly replace their A330-300s whereas the A350-900s will replace their B777-200ERs.


SQ expressed plans that A350 Regional will replace the A330s, and 787-10 will replace the regional 777s.
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Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:59 am

I guess I have been too hard on SQ and their fleet plans.

I was thinking about it and realised the following:

At the peak of each fleet there were
34 A333
58 772
12 773
104

On order are
60 A359 (std version)
49 78J
109

So it makes sense and seems very reasonable.

I stand corrected about my earlier opinion, by myself. Awkward...
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Re: Singapore Airlines Boeing 787-10

Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:03 pm

VirginFlyer wrote:
Some great photos posted in the 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43:

First 787-10 in Singapore Airlines livery has rolled out of paint, 9V-SCB

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https://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/sta ... 8236786690

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