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El pasajero, que viajaba junto a su familia hacia la ciudad estadounidense en el vuelo 1302 que despegó de Ezeiza a las 23.29, se sintió mal y fue al baño donde se descompuso y poco después murió pese a las tareas de reanimación practicadas por un médico que se encontraba a bordo, señalaron a Télam las fuentes de la compañía.
Kilgen wrote:Unfortunately, the passenger was already dead before the plane landed at PTY:El pasajero, que viajaba junto a su familia hacia la ciudad estadounidense en el vuelo 1302 que despegó de Ezeiza a las 23.29, se sintió mal y fue al baño donde se descompuso y poco después murió pese a las tareas de reanimación practicadas por un médico que se encontraba a bordo, señalaron a Télam las fuentes de la compañía.
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/2065825-muri ... ba-a-miami
alasizon wrote:I don't see 30 minutes as that long of a response time, especially for a non-standard operation.
AerolineasAR343 wrote:Well that's sad. I guess this is the first AR death since that episode in 92 with the cholera contaminated shrimp that was packed in Lima. Coincidentally that flight was also going to the US, although it was LAX.
alasizon wrote:I don't see 30 minutes as that long of a response time, especially for a non-standard operation.
dcajet wrote:Kilgen wrote:Unfortunately, the passenger was already dead before the plane landed at PTY:El pasajero, que viajaba junto a su familia hacia la ciudad estadounidense en el vuelo 1302 que despegó de Ezeiza a las 23.29, se sintió mal y fue al baño donde se descompuso y poco después murió pese a las tareas de reanimación practicadas por un médico que se encontraba a bordo, señalaron a Télam las fuentes de la compañía.
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/2065825-muri ... ba-a-miami
I know that is what the press reported in Buenos Aires, but both pilots and cabin crew on the flight report otherwise and blame the episode on "inadequate emergency response" by the PTY authorities.
Hubo intentos para reanimarlo, pero no funcionaron. Desde el vuelo alertaron al personal del aeropuerto panameño de lo que pasaba y en la pista un grupo de paramédicos recibió al pasajero. No confirmaron si falleció arriba del avión o después del aterrizaje. Por una cuestión de confidencialidad, tampoco difundieron el nombre de la víctima.
OA940 wrote:alasizon wrote:I don't see 30 minutes as that long of a response time, especially for a non-standard operation.
You are aware that even 5 minutes is much in an emergency, right? Medical staff at an airport should be prepared at all times. A heart attack, a GSW, a crash, they all need urgent attention, and a flight attendant can't do much (not that I'm implying that GSW's happen on planes, but the response times should be similar). Half an hour is completely unacceptable.
jetblueguy22 wrote:OA940 wrote:alasizon wrote:I don't see 30 minutes as that long of a response time, especially for a non-standard operation.
You are aware that even 5 minutes is much in an emergency, right? Medical staff at an airport should be prepared at all times. A heart attack, a GSW, a crash, they all need urgent attention, and a flight attendant can't do much (not that I'm implying that GSW's happen on planes, but the response times should be similar). Half an hour is completely unacceptable.
Why would they be prepared and ready to go when no flights are operating or scheduled to operate? Costs at airports and on airlines get atrocious because we want everything available all the time. How many times has this happened at this airport before? I'd be willing to bet very few times.
I'm all for having services available for saving a life. But we expect a massive response party whenever something goes wrong, but go for the cheapest option so we can save some money. Pick one. It's nothing different than any other place where regular services are limited because it is the middle of the night.
OA940 wrote:jetblueguy22 wrote:OA940 wrote:
You are aware that even 5 minutes is much in an emergency, right? Medical staff at an airport should be prepared at all times. A heart attack, a GSW, a crash, they all need urgent attention, and a flight attendant can't do much (not that I'm implying that GSW's happen on planes, but the response times should be similar). Half an hour is completely unacceptable.
Why would they be prepared and ready to go when no flights are operating or scheduled to operate? Costs at airports and on airlines get atrocious because we want everything available all the time. How many times has this happened at this airport before? I'd be willing to bet very few times.
I'm all for having services available for saving a life. But we expect a massive response party whenever something goes wrong, but go for the cheapest option so we can save some money. Pick one. It's nothing different than any other place where regular services are limited because it is the middle of the night.
I mean, I see the point, but still, what if there was a plane crash? Or a bomb in the terminal? I'm just saying that an airport the size of PTY should have at least something in the form of emergency services nearby in case this happens. I mean the plane would've needed a while to descend from cruising altitude, aka a good time to get someone out there.
Summa767 wrote:Does AR carry defibrillators onboard its aircraft, and the A330s in particular, and if so, was this used onboard?
That might be the most critical issue.
alasizon wrote:OA940 wrote:jetblueguy22 wrote:Why would they be prepared and ready to go when no flights are operating or scheduled to operate? Costs at airports and on airlines get atrocious because we want everything available all the time. How many times has this happened at this airport before? I'd be willing to bet very few times.
I'm all for having services available for saving a life. But we expect a massive response party whenever something goes wrong, but go for the cheapest option so we can save some money. Pick one. It's nothing different than any other place where regular services are limited because it is the middle of the night.
I mean, I see the point, but still, what if there was a plane crash? Or a bomb in the terminal? I'm just saying that an airport the size of PTY should have at least something in the form of emergency services nearby in case this happens. I mean the plane would've needed a while to descend from cruising altitude, aka a good time to get someone out there.
My original point was that there are emergency services available, that does not mean that there is a trained door operator, available airstairs, etc for the emergency responders to use on their own. So they likely had to wait for someone from one of the ground handlers to come in to park the aircraft (and more than likely more than one since you'd need a wingwalker). It sounds like the event happened at a gate and not a remote pad which is why it suggests to me that airstairs and/or someone that knew how to open the A330 door were not available.
alasizon wrote:OA940 wrote:jetblueguy22 wrote:Why would they be prepared and ready to go when no flights are operating or scheduled to operate? Costs at airports and on airlines get atrocious because we want everything available all the time. How many times has this happened at this airport before? I'd be willing to bet very few times.
I'm all for having services available for saving a life. But we expect a massive response party whenever something goes wrong, but go for the cheapest option so we can save some money. Pick one. It's nothing different than any other place where regular services are limited because it is the middle of the night.
I mean, I see the point, but still, what if there was a plane crash? Or a bomb in the terminal? I'm just saying that an airport the size of PTY should have at least something in the form of emergency services nearby in case this happens. I mean the plane would've needed a while to descend from cruising altitude, aka a good time to get someone out there.
My original point was that there are emergency services available, that does not mean that there is a trained door operator, available airstairs, etc for the emergency responders to use on their own. So they likely had to wait for someone from one of the ground handlers to come in to park the aircraft (and more than likely more than one since you'd need a wingwalker). It sounds like the event happened at a gate and not a remote pad which is why it suggests to me that airstairs and/or someone that knew how to open the A330 door were not available.
MalevTU134 wrote:Summa767 wrote:Does AR carry defibrillators onboard its aircraft, and the A330s in particular, and if so, was this used onboard?
That might be the most critical issue.
Why, you have a diagnosis of this gentleman who died? I mean, you are sure he didn't suffer from a stroke, a ruptured aorta aneurysm, hypoglycaemia,...?
El Ministerio de Salud (MINSA), desmintió este lunes que el sujeto de origen argentino, fallecido recientemente, perdiera la vida a causa de ineficiencias sanitarias en el Aeropuerto Internacional de Tocumen.
El pasajero que viajaba en un avión de Aerolíneas Argentinas, que había despegado desde el aeropuerto de Ezeiza y se dirigía a Miami, falleció en pleno vuelo y murió durante el vuelo.
Ante los hechos, los sobrecargos brindaron los primeros auxilios al pasajero y posteriormente el equipo de salud de Panamá, subió al avión una vez este aterrizó para atender el incidente.
Kilgen wrote:The Panamanian Health Ministry is reporting the same as what El Clarín and La Nación of Argentina has been reporting. That the Emergency Response Team boarded the plane as soon as it landed and that the passenger died before the plane landed.El Ministerio de Salud (MINSA), desmintió este lunes que el sujeto de origen argentino, fallecido recientemente, perdiera la vida a causa de ineficiencias sanitarias en el Aeropuerto Internacional de Tocumen.
El pasajero que viajaba en un avión de Aerolíneas Argentinas, que había despegado desde el aeropuerto de Ezeiza y se dirigía a Miami, falleció en pleno vuelo y murió durante el vuelo.
Ante los hechos, los sobrecargos brindaron los primeros auxilios al pasajero y posteriormente el equipo de salud de Panamá, subió al avión una vez este aterrizó para atender el incidente.
http://laestrella.com.pa/panama/naciona ... o/24024489
Summa767 wrote:
I am still interested to know if AR carries defibrillators on its aircraft.
dcajet wrote:Kilgen wrote:The Panamanian Health Ministry is reporting the same as what El Clarín and La Nación of Argentina has been reporting. That the Emergency Response Team boarded the plane as soon as it landed and that the passenger died before the plane landed.El Ministerio de Salud (MINSA), desmintió este lunes que el sujeto de origen argentino, fallecido recientemente, perdiera la vida a causa de ineficiencias sanitarias en el Aeropuerto Internacional de Tocumen.
El pasajero que viajaba en un avión de Aerolíneas Argentinas, que había despegado desde el aeropuerto de Ezeiza y se dirigía a Miami, falleció en pleno vuelo y murió durante el vuelo.
Ante los hechos, los sobrecargos brindaron los primeros auxilios al pasajero y posteriormente el equipo de salud de Panamá, subió al avión una vez este aterrizó para atender el incidente.
http://laestrella.com.pa/panama/naciona ... o/24024489
I guess at this point it does not really matter, but it doesn't say anywhere on that article that the emergency services boarded the plane right after it landed. It does say the pax died while in flight.
Let me repeat this one more time: the on duty flight and cabin crew on board that morning have said to the Argentinean authorities that assistance took far longer to arrive to the aircraft than expected at an airport of the caliber of PTY.
Translating from Spanish:and later the health team of Panama, boarded the plane once it landed to attend the incident. I did not translate the text previously, as you brought a link in Spanish.y posteriormente el equipo de salud de Panamá, subió al avión una vez este aterrizó para atender el incidente.
alasizon wrote:I don't see 30 minutes as that long of a response time, especially for a non-standard operation.