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The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BVT/HVN)

Sat Sep 23, 2017 6:10 pm

Would there be interest for a dedicated post for everything related to New England airports outside of BOS? I recall there was a similar thread years ago and I think it's about time we started another one.

Please post anything airline/airport related outside of Boston including monthly passenger stats. Lets keep this post active and updated folks!
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BVT/HVN)

Sat Sep 23, 2017 6:10 pm

I just made an HVN thread a few days ago but this should probably be fine as well.
Although I do not live in New England, I really want to see HVN get the runway lengthened and see them get more flights/airlines.
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BVT/HVN)

Sat Sep 23, 2017 6:19 pm

Hartford Bradley International (BDL) July 2017 Passenger Stats:

July 2017 Total Passengers by Airline

Southwest- 145,142
American- 143,190
Delta- 117,395
jetBlue- 74,958
United- 63,419
Spirit- 24,657
Aer Lingus- 9,702
Air Canada- 6,636
Norwegian- 3,906
oneJet- 356

July 2017 Total- 591,015 +9.4%
July 2016 Total- 540,200

Through July 2017- 3,709,658 +6.5%
Through July 2016- 3,484,011

International (all carriers) July 2017- 21,898

Of note, Aer Lingus had a 88% load factor in July. Delta's CUN flight posted healthy loads in the 90's, Norwegian was 81%, AA LAX flight was at 94% and UA's SFO flight was 87%. I believe BDL saw more international passengers this July than ever before.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BVT/HVN)

Sat Sep 23, 2017 6:32 pm

uconn99 wrote:
Hartford Bradley International (BDL) July 2017 Passenger Stats:

July 2017 Total Passengers by Airline

Aer Lingus- 9,702

Of note, Aer Lingus had a 88% load factor in July.


I just edited the quote to highlight the portion I'm replying to - hope you don't mind. I find it quite interesting that Aer Lingus flies to BDL - I honestly had no idea that it had one transatlantic service, let alone two (Norwegian). An impressive load factor too.
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BVT/HVN)

Sat Sep 23, 2017 6:38 pm

Great idea for a thread. I am a BOS homer and have lived here for a few years, but I did grow up near PWM (and thus have a soft spot for it).
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BVT/HVN)

Sat Sep 23, 2017 6:44 pm

KLDC10 wrote:
uconn99 wrote:
Hartford Bradley International (BDL) July 2017 Passenger Stats:

July 2017 Total Passengers by Airline

Aer Lingus- 9,702

Of note, Aer Lingus had a 88% load factor in July.


I just edited the quote to highlight the portion I'm replying to - hope you don't mind. I find it quite interesting that Aer Lingus flies to BDL - I honestly had no idea that it had one transatlantic service, let alone two (Norwegian). An impressive load factor too.


Aer Lingus flys BDL-DUB seasonally 4x per week and May-September daily. The flight started in September of 2016 and after a few months of low loads it appears to be really taking off now. I flew the flight in July, full both way in business class.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BVT/HVN)

Sat Sep 23, 2017 6:51 pm

Thread title should be fixed, should be BTV, not BVT, but good idea for the thread
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BVT/HVN)

Sat Sep 23, 2017 6:58 pm

bendytendy wrote:
Thread title should be fixed, should be BTV, not BVT, but good idea for the thread
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BVT/HVN)

Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:13 pm

SEATS-----PASSENGERS-----CARRIER_NAME----ORIGIN----DEST----MONTH---Load Factor
3894------2575-----Aer Lingus Plc----DUB------BDL-------3-----66.1%
2832------1392----- Aer Lingus Plc----DUB-----BDL--------2-----49.2%
3186------1890-----Aer Lingus Plc----DUB------BDL-------1-----59.3%

DOT--DUB-BDL March-January 2017
ATL BWI BOS CLT MDW ORD CVG DFW DAL DAB DEN DTW FLL RSW GNV BDL HNL IAH IND MCI LAS LAX SDF MEM MIA MKE MSP BNA EWR HVN MSY JFK LGA MCO SFB PHX PHL PVD RDU RAP RIC SLC STL CPS PIE SEA TPA DCA IAD
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BVT/HVN)

Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:07 pm

BDL Spirit LF Apr-Jun
BDL-MYR-88.9%
BDL-MCO-84.0%
BDL-FLL-88.7%

UA
BDL-SFO-68.5%

DL
BDL-MCO-92.6%

Any others you want posted?

AA HVN-PHL is at 75.6% for the year....
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BVT/HVN)

Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:11 pm

MHT continues to languish, although the continued growth pains at Logan could end up benefiting MHT (mostly with respect to cargo).
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BVT/HVN)

Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:41 pm

Allegiant is starting its PVD flights next week. Has anyone heard of their plans for late winter into spring? Hoping they consider MYR, SAV, and JAX. For next summer, AUS would be interesting too.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BVT/HVN)

Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:02 pm

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Allegiant is starting its PVD flights next week. Has anyone heard of their plans for late winter into spring? Hoping they consider MYR, SAV, and JAX. For next summer, AUS would be interesting too.


G4 is due for some route announcements in the coming weeks, however, I would be surprised if they announced new routes from PVD so soon after they start service. But if I were a betting man I would say G4 would open up PVD-SFB next...

G4 is planning an international push beginning in 2018 also....

http://www.anna.aero/2016/04/20/allegia ... al-growth/
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... t-for-2018
http://aviationweek.com/awincommercial/ ... e-launches
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BVT/HVN)

Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:08 pm

bendytendy wrote:
Thread title should be fixed, should be BTV, not BVT, but good idea for the thread


Thanks for pointing out the typo, is there a way for me to fix that?
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BVT/HVN)

Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:29 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
BDL Spirit LF Apr-Jun
BDL-MYR-88.9%
BDL-MCO-84.0%
BDL-FLL-88.7%

UA
BDL-SFO-68.5%

DL
BDL-MCO-92.6%

Any others you want posted?

AA HVN-PHL is at 75.6% for the year....


Where are you getting your numbers from?

I am showing the SFO flight to be much better-

June SFO-BDL-SFO 4,459 passengers out of 5,632 seats for a 79% load
July SFO-BDL-SFO 6,901 passengers out of 7,936 seats for a 87% load

The flight didnt start until June 9th. I am basing my numbers on 128 seats per flight, June would have had 44 flights and July would have had 62 based on no cancellations.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BVT/HVN)

Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:46 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
SEATS-----PASSENGERS-----CARRIER_NAME----ORIGIN----DEST----MONTH---Load Factor
3894------2575-----Aer Lingus Plc----DUB------BDL-------3-----66.1%
2832------1392----- Aer Lingus Plc----DUB-----BDL--------2-----49.2%
3186------1890-----Aer Lingus Plc----DUB------BDL-------1-----59.3%

DOT--DUB-BDL March-January 2017


I have the following for the Dublin route:

January- 1,665 out, 1,921 in = 56%
February- 1,398 out, 1,342 in = 48%
March- 2,786 out, 2,568 in= 84%
April- 4,017 out, 3,391 in (not sure when seasonal went to daily, but loads should be in 80's)
May- 4,839 out, 4,589 in= 86%
June- 4,804 out, 4,934 in= 92%
July- 5,175 out, 4,527 in= 88%

January-July 24,684 out, 23,272 in= approx. 75-80% overall load factor. Not sure when the switch to daily occurred in April. All of these numbers don't take into account any cancellations.
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BVT/HVN)

Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:47 pm

uconn99 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
BDL Spirit LF Apr-Jun
BDL-MYR-88.9%
BDL-MCO-84.0%
BDL-FLL-88.7%

UA
BDL-SFO-68.5%

DL
BDL-MCO-92.6%

Any others you want posted?

AA HVN-PHL is at 75.6% for the year....


Where are you getting your numbers from?

I am showing the SFO flight to be much better-

June SFO-BDL-SFO 4,459 passengers out of 5,632 seats for a 79% load
July SFO-BDL-SFO 6,901 passengers out of 7,936 seats for a 87% load

The flight didnt start until June 9th. I am basing my numbers on 128 seats per flight, June would have had 44 flights and July would have had 62 based on no cancellations.


Better to just stick with the T100 data, mostly for the sake of accuracy and the fact that they come from the Departement of Transportation: https://www.transtats.bts.gov/DL_SelectFields.asp

I only did the BDL-SFO leg numbers and not the combined SFO-BDL numbers
June BDL-SFO 1945 pax out of 2838 seats 68.5%Load
June SFO-BDL 2396 pax out of 3048 seats 78.6% Load
4341 out of 5886 comes out to a 73.75% average load both ways
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BVT/HVN)

Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:48 pm

thanks for starting this thread. let's not forget BGR and PSM in the mix as well. FYI I have a blog that documents the updates from enilria's OAG thread each week for these airports, so we will be able to keep track of the changes as they get posted.
http://awhitelocks.wixsite.com/newenglandaero/blog, click on the tag OAG to pull up those posts over the others.
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BVT/HVN)

Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:52 pm

VS4ever wrote:
thanks for starting this thread. let's not forget BGR and PSM in the mix as well. FYI I have a blog that documents the updates from enilria's OAG thread each week for these airports, so we will be able to keep track of the changes as they get posted.
http://awhitelocks.wixsite.com/newenglandaero/blog, click on the tag OAG to pull up those posts over the others.


That was an overlook on my part. This thread can be related to any airport outside of BOS Logan.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BVT/HVN)

Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:53 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
uconn99 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
BDL Spirit LF Apr-Jun
BDL-MYR-88.9%
BDL-MCO-84.0%
BDL-FLL-88.7%

UA
BDL-SFO-68.5%

DL
BDL-MCO-92.6%

Any others you want posted?

AA HVN-PHL is at 75.6% for the year....


Where are you getting your numbers from?

I am showing the SFO flight to be much better-

June SFO-BDL-SFO 4,459 passengers out of 5,632 seats for a 79% load
July SFO-BDL-SFO 6,901 passengers out of 7,936 seats for a 87% load

The flight didnt start until June 9th. I am basing my numbers on 128 seats per flight, June would have had 44 flights and July would have had 62 based on no cancellations.


Better to just stick with the T100 data, mostly for the sake of accuracy and the fact that they come from the Departement of Transportation: https://www.transtats.bts.gov/DL_SelectFields.asp

I only did the BDL-SFO leg numbers and not the combined SFO-BDL numbers
June BDL-SFO 1945 pax out of 2838 seats 68.5%Load
June SFO-BDL 2396 pax out of 3048 seats 78.6% Load
4341 out of 5886 comes out to a 73.75% average load both ways


I am using the numbers supplied by the Connecticut Airport Authority, are their numbers not accurate? They have always been in the past and iv'e been receiving monthly numbers since 2005. My math could be wrong as well.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BVT/HVN)

Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:01 pm

uconn99 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
uconn99 wrote:

Where are you getting your numbers from?

I am showing the SFO flight to be much better-

June SFO-BDL-SFO 4,459 passengers out of 5,632 seats for a 79% load
July SFO-BDL-SFO 6,901 passengers out of 7,936 seats for a 87% load

The flight didnt start until June 9th. I am basing my numbers on 128 seats per flight, June would have had 44 flights and July would have had 62 based on no cancellations.


Better to just stick with the T100 data, mostly for the sake of accuracy and the fact that they come from the Departement of Transportation: https://www.transtats.bts.gov/DL_SelectFields.asp

I only did the BDL-SFO leg numbers and not the combined SFO-BDL numbers
June BDL-SFO 1945 pax out of 2838 seats 68.5%Load
June SFO-BDL 2396 pax out of 3048 seats 78.6% Load
4341 out of 5886 comes out to a 73.75% average load both ways


I am using the numbers supplied by the Connecticut Airport Authority, are their numbers not accurate? They have always been in the past and iv'e been receiving monthly numbers since 2005. My math could be wrong as well.


Can you post a link, so I can see where the discrepancy is?
ATL BWI BOS CLT MDW ORD CVG DFW DAL DAB DEN DTW FLL RSW GNV BDL HNL IAH IND MCI LAS LAX SDF MEM MIA MKE MSP BNA EWR HVN MSY JFK LGA MCO SFB PHX PHL PVD RDU RAP RIC SLC STL CPS PIE SEA TPA DCA IAD
 
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Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:21 pm

uconn99 wrote:
http://www.bradleyairport.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/July-2017-Passenger-Numbers.pdf


Okay, there are a few discrepancies..... UA didn't only run the A319 on that route, they also swapped it out with a A320 and a B738 on multiple occasions, so the seat number is more than likely off. For June BDL-SFO enplanements, DOT has 1945 pax, the airport has 2,009. For deplanements, the DOT has 2,396 and the airport has 2,450 has pax. Which all and all isn't a big difference, but it will sway the numbers.

I think the Connecticut Airport Authority numbers are good for estimating, but if you want actual LFs I think DOT numbers are the better choice because you get exact frequencies and a/c type.
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Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:24 pm

Is there an easy way to get the DOT numbers for each route? The website you posted above has a ton of information and navigating so far seems difficult.
 
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Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:26 pm

What are the chances of DL doing an additional mid day ATL-MHT run? Wasn't this done in the past? Did DL do any mainline on DTW-MHT this summer like they did last summer?

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Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:40 pm

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Is there an easy way to get the DOT numbers for each route? The website you posted above has a ton of information and navigating so far seems difficult.


Sorry, I keep forgetting the link doesn't work

Try this one: https://www.transtats.bts.gov/Tables.as ... 20Carriers

If you are looking for Domestic Data (updated through June)- Click Download in the "T-100 Domestic Segment (U.S. Carriers)" box
Then filter geography to the particular state you are looking at (in this case Connecticut) and filter year and month accordingly as well
Then under summaries select all the specific info you would like to know about

For International Data (updated through March)-https://www.transtats.bts.gov/Tables.asp?DB_ID=111&DB_Name=Air%20Carrier%20Statistics%20%28Form%2041%20Traffic%29-%20All%20Carriers&DB_Short_Name=Air%20Carriers

Click Download in the "T-100 International Segment (All Carriers)" box, and then follow the same steps you did for Domestic Data
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Sun Sep 24, 2017 12:42 am

or you could look here :), i've collated them through Feb for right now as I am in the middle of updating March. I don't go to June like the T-100's do because I combine International with Domestic to get a total. http://awhitelocks.wixsite.com/newengla ... nglandt100, needed for the likes of PVD and BDL with a bit of excel trickery, you can actually get a route by route analysis by airline and aircraft type pretty quickly, let me know if you want me to show you how
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Sun Sep 24, 2017 12:58 am

Awesome feed!
As an Eagle/Republic flight attendant some of my favorite routes to work are PHL-BTV, PHL-BGR, PHL-PVD, PHL-PWM, PHL-MHT, DCA-MHT, DCA-BGR, DCA-PVD, DCA-PWM, DCA-BTV, CLT-MHT, CLT-PWM, CLT-BGR, CLT-BTV. It's been great to run the E75 during the weekends on LGA-BGR! And we know they love when the seasons start to change and E75 come into town instead of the usual CRJ.
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Sun Sep 24, 2017 1:35 am

Thank you so much for including New Haven in this thread! Things are looking up a bit here (AA replacing the old rattletrap Dash 8s with CRJ). Yes, I know a CRJ200 isn't much, but it a great start!

HVN is the only coastal CT airport that still has a chance. Bridgeport and Groton-New London are pretty much lost causes now as far scheduled air service (especially since BDRs passenger terminal has been torn down!), but fingers are crossed for HVN. Its my hometown airport and is where I worked for many years during its heyday in the 80and 90s.

We are SO hoping for the momentum to continue here!
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BVT/HVN)

Sun Sep 24, 2017 2:01 am

Midwestindy wrote:
uconn99 wrote:
Is there an easy way to get the DOT numbers for each route? The website you posted above has a ton of information and navigating so far seems difficult.


Sorry, I keep forgetting the link doesn't work

Try this one: https://www.transtats.bts.gov/Tables.as ... 20Carriers

If you are looking for Domestic Data (updated through June)- Click Download in the "T-100 Domestic Segment (U.S. Carriers)" box
Then filter geography to the particular state you are looking at (in this case Connecticut) and filter year and month accordingly as well
Then under summaries select all the specific info you would like to know about

For International Data (updated through March)-https://www.transtats.bts.gov/Tables.asp?DB_ID=111&DB_Name=Air%20Carrier%20Statistics%20%28Form%2041%20Traffic%29-%20All%20Carriers&DB_Short_Name=Air%20Carriers

Click Download in the "T-100 International Segment (All Carriers)" box, and then follow the same steps you did for Domestic Data


Thanks for that info, I will take a look.
 
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Sun Sep 24, 2017 2:04 am

VS4ever wrote:
or you could look here :), i've collated them through Feb for right now as I am in the middle of updating March. I don't go to June like the T-100's do because I combine International with Domestic to get a total. http://awhitelocks.wixsite.com/newengla ... nglandt100, needed for the likes of PVD and BDL with a bit of excel trickery, you can actually get a route by route analysis by airline and aircraft type pretty quickly, let me know if you want me to show you how


Wow! Very impressive, let me take a look and I will be back with questions im sure! I am a numbers geek so this is an early Christmas present for me.
 
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Sun Sep 24, 2017 2:07 am

F27500 wrote:
Thank you so much for including New Haven in this thread! Things are looking up a bit here (AA replacing the old rattletrap Dash 8s with CRJ). Yes, I know a CRJ200 isn't much, but it a great start!

HVN is the only coastal CT airport that still has a chance. Bridgeport and Groton-New London are pretty much lost causes now as far scheduled air service (especially since BDRs passenger terminal has been torn down!), but fingers are crossed for HVN. Its my hometown airport and is where I worked for many years during its heyday in the 80and 90s.

We are SO hoping for the momentum to continue here!


A few years ago I flew from PHL to ROA on a Dash-8. The next time I took the same flight, it was on a CRJ-200, what a difference, quicker, quieter, no vibrations and quicker deplaning due to not having to wait for the prop to be tethered. As far as Bridgeport and Groton-New London, the runways are too short with no chance of extending them.The judge in the HVN case should be giving his ruling soon and I feel it will be in Tweeds favor as the state's law conflict with interstate commerce laws and others. HVN is far more convenient for me than BDL as my destinations are in and around New Haven.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BVT/HVN)

Sun Sep 24, 2017 2:11 am

Midwestindy wrote:
uconn99 wrote:
http://www.bradleyairport.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/July-2017-Passenger-Numbers.pdf


Okay, there are a few discrepancies..... UA didn't only run the A319 on that route, they also swapped it out with a A320 and a B738 on multiple occasions, so the seat number is more than likely off. For June BDL-SFO enplanements, DOT has 1945 pax, the airport has 2,009. For deplanements, the DOT has 2,396 and the airport has 2,450 has pax. Which all and all isn't a big difference, but it will sway the numbers.

I think the Connecticut Airport Authority numbers are good for estimating, but if you want actual LFs I think DOT numbers are the better choice because you get exact frequencies and a/c type.


Wouldn't the discrepancy between the DOT and BDL simply be the non-rev pax?
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BVT/HVN)

Sun Sep 24, 2017 3:25 am

Dominion301 wrote:
Wouldn't the discrepancy between the DOT and BDL simply be the non-rev pax?


I've had that confirmed by the BOS person who runs the numbers for Logan that this is the base difference between airport reports and DOT, although some airports do show the non-revs separately to get a closer number.

On balance the DOT numbers should be broadly accurate for the rev pax, but they are far from perfect. They are only as good as the info provided and in some cases, that's not great. Although unrelated for this particular thread, one example is QR who basically say everything they fly is a 772 or 773, when we know fine well they fly the 359 at least to BOS (until next month), so those numbers are off, plus there are times when folks don't report. I have to file a request for DY for example into the DOT because they are missing 3 months from 2014.

So use the DOT numbers as guides not gospel, they are directionally correct, but also include positioning flights and cargo carriers, so i always remove 0 pax flights from my calcs, for the big guys it won't make a difference, for the likes of 9K and KS it likely will remove some real flights that just didn't carry anyone. But ain't nothing you can do about that to be honest, so as long as you understand that, the T-100's are very useful data. My calcs go back to 2014 right now, i would like to go back further and get a 5 year comparative, but the number of reports i do already take long enough to compile as it is and i haven't even finished all the ones i want to work on yet.
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BVT/HVN)

Sun Sep 24, 2017 11:37 am

Elsewhere here there is a thread stating Norwegian just got unfettered rights into the U.S. which is something I thought they had already. In any event, it will be interesting to see what it means for PVD and BDL.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BVT/HVN)

Sun Sep 24, 2017 2:34 pm

Curious about BDL as it is my home airport and has seen quite the uptick in passengers. What new service could possibly be seen? I know a lot of people are wishing for London, Paris, or the possibility of the return of Amsterdam. With Dublin seemingly doing very well, a lot of people are also hoping for service to Shannon a day or two a week. Any input!

Also HVN.....could Delta's C-Series arriving in the future be helpful in giving the airport a boost....especially with the short runway?
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BVT/HVN)

Sun Sep 24, 2017 2:46 pm

Starting December 15, 2017, AA is up gauging their morning PWM-CLT flight from A319 to A321.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BVT/HVN)

Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:04 pm

CairnterriAIR wrote:
Curious about BDL as it is my home airport and has seen quite the uptick in passengers. What new service could possibly be seen? I know a lot of people are wishing for London, Paris, or the possibility of the return of Amsterdam. With Dublin seemingly doing very well, a lot of people are also hoping for service to Shannon a day or two a week. Any input!

Also HVN.....could Delta's C-Series arriving in the future be helpful in giving the airport a boost....especially with the short runway?


The CS100 was cleared to operate at London city airport with its 4900 foot runway. HVN has a steep approach on runway 20 rendering the runway length 5250 feet. Should work and both DTW and ATL would be under 900 miles. The federal judge should issue his ruling soon, its been 2 months since the trial.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BVT/HVN)

Sun Sep 24, 2017 9:06 pm

uconn99 wrote:
Is there an easy way to get the DOT numbers for each route? The website you posted above has a ton of information and navigating so far seems difficult.


This site uses T-100 data but IMHO is much easier to use. Just input the route segment and month/year and it returns with airline(s), number of flights, passengers, number of seats. LF, payload/cargo/mail in a simple easy to read format.

http://www.aviationdb.com/Aviation/F4SDetailQuery.shtm

The only downside is it appears to be a couple months behind the Transtats site.
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BVT/HVN)

Mon Sep 25, 2017 2:13 pm

The patriots 767 can now be seen at PVD... it flew in late Saturday night and currently parked on taxiway V (parallel to the terminal). Best spot to see it is near the airline belly cargo building just south of the terminal
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BVT/HVN)

Mon Sep 25, 2017 2:26 pm

flyPIT wrote:
uconn99 wrote:
Is there an easy way to get the DOT numbers for each route? The website you posted above has a ton of information and navigating so far seems difficult.


This site uses T-100 data but IMHO is much easier to use. Just input the route segment and month/year and it returns with airline(s), number of flights, passengers, number of seats. LF, payload/cargo/mail in a simple easy to read format.

http://www.aviationdb.com/Aviation/F4SDetailQuery.shtm

The only downside is it appears to be a couple months behind the Transtats site.


Interesting site, however I can already see some limitations to it. First as you point out, it's 2 months behind on International Data and 6 months on Domestic, probably because they use the combined database for the info. Two, each query can only produce one-way information, so in order to get a true sense of the route metrics you have to run each route twice by month. (unless you want to pay for it of course), so if you are doing an analysis of say BDL, you could get a global number or an inbound/outbound number on a route very easily. But to figure out something more detailed, you would need to run somewhere in the region of 60-70 queries just to get 1 month worth of info. 3. Anything more complex you have to pay for. Not sure what the DOT would think about that as its publicly accessible information. 4. If they are using the standard uncleaned database, you will get positioning flights and diverts included along with charters, which can distort the numbers a bit.
Let's just say I've gone through enough of this data myself to figure out where the pitfalls generally are, but even i miss them from time to time and some of them are impossible to figure out. Say someone flies to MCO and FLL and diverts one to TPA, no way of telling which flight that is without a lot of digging in other databases. That said, for simple run of the mill data, it's not bad as a quick resource and I like the filtering ability, might have to figure out how to do that on my own information.
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BVT/HVN)

Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:06 pm

WNflyer1523 wrote:
I just made an HVN thread a few days ago but this should probably be fine as well.
Although I do not live in New England, I really want to see HVN get the runway lengthened and see them get more flights/airlines.


You and I and thousands of area travelers have been waiting years for HVN to become the regional airport for southern Connecticut. Its a shame the state continues to try to sabotage commercial airline service at HVN and ignore the needs of area fliers who are subjected to long drives to out of state airports, BDL being almost in Massachusetts, and in the process, making the area less attractive to the business community. A vibrant HVN means more jobs, airport and non-airport related jobs. A win win situation for travelers and local businesses.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BVT/HVN)

Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:36 pm

cheapgreek wrote:
WNflyer1523 wrote:
I just made an HVN thread a few days ago but this should probably be fine as well.
Although I do not live in New England, I really want to see HVN get the runway lengthened and see them get more flights/airlines.


You and I and thousands of area travelers have been waiting years for HVN to become the regional airport for southern Connecticut. Its a shame the state continues to try to sabotage commercial airline service at HVN and ignore the needs of area fliers who are subjected to long drives to out of state airports, BDL being almost in Massachusetts, and in the process, making the area less attractive to the business community. A vibrant HVN means more jobs, airport and non-airport related jobs. A win win situation for travelers and local businesses.


The NIMBY's living around the airport (who chose to buy a home and live next to an airport) need to be dialed back as well. They have put up more of a stink then anybody else.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BVT/HVN)

Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:28 pm

uconn99 wrote:
Hartford Bradley International (BDL) July 2017 Passenger Stats:

July 2017 Total Passengers by Airline

Southwest- 145,142
American- 143,190
Delta- 117,395
jetBlue- 74,958
United- 63,419
Spirit- 24,657
Aer Lingus- 9,702
Air Canada- 6,636
Norwegian- 3,906
oneJet- 356


Thanks for sharing these numbers. I'd love to see the numbers for other New England airports.

Something that jumped out at me is how B6 has overtaken UA at BDL. UA used to run multiple daily DC-10s to ORD. I guess they hit reverse gear in the face of B6 and WN in New England. UA is also very thin at PVD and MHT.

The other thing that jumps out at me is how B6 has a gold mine in New England with their name recognition. They started late at BDL and quickly grew to half the size of market leading WN. I think F9 jumped into PVD after B6 hesitated at adding flights. I would expect the B6 numbers to also be strong at BTV, PWM, and PVD. I'm curious. Why is B6 not yet at MHT? WN carries almost 2 million people a year, so it's not a small market. I think I saw somewhere that B6 has said, "when" and not "if" when it comes to serving MHT.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BVT/HVN)

Tue Sep 26, 2017 8:47 pm

bomber996 wrote:
What are the chances of DL doing an additional mid day ATL-MHT run? Wasn't this done in the past? Did DL do any mainline on DTW-MHT this summer like they did last summer?

Peace :box:

Yes DL did have twice daily to ATL a few summers ago second flight was on a A319. They put a B717 on some DTW fights. ATL has been on a MD90 now for about a month.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BVT/HVN)

Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:03 pm

LotsaRunway wrote:
I'd love to see the numbers for other New England airports.


PVD: http://www.pvdairport.com/documents/pas ... 202017.pdf (1,780 pax for first month of D8 operations)
MHT: https://www.flymanchester.com/sites/def ... 2017_0.pdf WN down 4.7%, YTD, Total down 3.4%
PWM: Do not publish monthly info. T-100 only
ORH: Massport does not report separately. T-100 only.
BTV: Only have Feb 17 data on site: Enplaned: http://www.btv.aero/images/CYENPLAN_2017FEB.pdf Deplaned: http://www.btv.aero/images/DEPLANE_2017FEB.pdf -
PSM: http://www.peasedev.org/documents/PDABOARDPKT92117.pdf (page 7 is about all you get), otherwise T-100
BGR: http://www.flybangor.com/assets/Decembe ... 102017.pdf (only has 2016 published),

I have March numbers from T-100 for all the above on a site, and might move them up to June if I can confirm 0 international so I can have a meaningful comparison (International runs 3 months behind, so it would be off to compare the two together)
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BVT/HVN)

Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:45 pm

LotsaRunway wrote:
uconn99 wrote:
Hartford Bradley International (BDL) July 2017 Passenger Stats:

July 2017 Total Passengers by Airline

Southwest- 145,142
American- 143,190
Delta- 117,395
jetBlue- 74,958
United- 63,419
Spirit- 24,657
Aer Lingus- 9,702
Air Canada- 6,636
Norwegian- 3,906
oneJet- 356


Thanks for sharing these numbers. I'd love to see the numbers for other New England airports.

Something that jumped out at me is how B6 has overtaken UA at BDL. UA used to run multiple daily DC-10s to ORD. I guess they hit reverse gear in the face of B6 and WN in New England. UA is also very thin at PVD and MHT.

The other thing that jumps out at me is how B6 has a gold mine in New England with their name recognition. They started late at BDL and quickly grew to half the size of market leading WN. I think F9 jumped into PVD after B6 hesitated at adding flights. I would expect the B6 numbers to also be strong at BTV, PWM, and PVD. I'm curious. Why is B6 not yet at MHT? WN carries almost 2 million people a year, so it's not a small market. I think I saw somewhere that B6 has said, "when" and not "if" when it comes to serving MHT.


WN handled 1,178,377 passengers in 2016 at MHT, flat growth from 2015. Not sure if there is room at MHT for jetBlue with BOS right down the road, maybe in the future.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BVT/HVN)

Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:48 pm

Would love to see F9 enter BTV. With NK and G4 in PBG, F9 really is only LLC option for BTV that would make sense, other than WN, but I don't see WN entering BTV just yet.
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BVT/HVN)

Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:14 pm

Looks like RIAC did not include Delta in their PVD market share pie chart ?
 
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Re: The Rest of New England (BDL/PVD/MHT/PWM/ORH/BVT/HVN)

Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:39 pm

Rhodylee wrote:
Looks like RIAC did not include Delta in their PVD market share pie chart ?


I noticed that as well.

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