FBWFTW wrote:RDUDDJI wrote:FBWFTW wrote:As someone who has seen first hand the dirty, underhanded LIES along with all the breaking of labor law that corporations do to keep their employees from forming unions, I’ll ask the naysayers-WHAT ARE THEY AFRAID OF? Oh right, they’re afraid of their employees having a VOICE which the B6 FA’s and ground guys currently do NOT have. Hopefully B6 will not sink to this level here:
Read this:
https://apps.nlrb.gov/link/document.asp ... 4582282b52Realize that stuff like this happens DAILY around the country and then tell me you’re STILL on the side of the corporations. If you are at that point, you’re either blind, not very bright OR making 6 figures in an office with a view.
Believe in “this day and age” joining a union is one of the only protections you have against an employer who wants a “direct relationship” with you so they can tell you “NO!” directly and there’s not a bloody thing you can do about it.
Do you prefer paying a union to tell you "NO!"? (Another one crying about the dues... Good lord the think arbitration and lawyers are free)
Unions can say anything they want (NOT TRUE-see NLRA section 8B), corporations are controlled by rule of law (AND THEY BEND THOSE LAWS TO THEIR ADVANTAGE AND HAVE THE $$$$ TO DO IT.) Unions can promise anything they like (also NOT true see above) but in reality, they'll have to negotiate with the company (VERY TRUE-that’s the WHOLE POINT of organizing, to get to negotiations and a fair contract with the company-what’s the issue with that hmm?) Like I said, I've been on both sides (clearly not in a long time) The employees will have A COLLECTIVE voice once they vote to unionize Said thugs will then screw over their members every chance they get to make another $. (you’re WAY out of line here-maybe your shi**y union leadership did some bad stuff-but don’t generalize)
Ejemplo: I was involved in a termination review years ago where a bad employee (who was hated by his peers) was on his last step towards being fired. He was found sitting in the boarding area watching tv (twice) while he was supposed to be working on the ramp. This was common behavior and something his RAT COWORKERS reported to management INSTEAD OF THEIR SHOP STEWARD WHO WOULD HAVE REAMED THE GUY A NEW ONE because they were tired of carrying his slack. During his termination review, the union offered to give away thousands of $ of overtime pay as payment for grievances in return for letting him keep his job(this part is unacceptable and DOES NOT happen in my union) The company took the deal. Talk about a bad deal for everyone, the union just screwed over it's good employees (the ones with legitimate grievances), to keep one dues paying POS member around and the company just let a POS employee keep their job to save some $, much to the chagrin of his peers. But the story didn't end there: A few weeks later this same guy ran a bag cart into a widebody that did so much damage (holes that you could see through) the aircraft was out of service for over a month.
A Union will promise the B6 FAs the world (unions can’t promise anything but negotiations and there is no “starting from scratch” on the company’s side either-read the law) but the fact is, their track record is of destroying jobs (just look at the manufacturing industry where GENERAL F*****G MOTORS PROPOSED TO THE UNION THAT THEY WOULD PAY PEOPLE $$$ AND BENEFITS NOT TO WORK-WHAT UNION SAYS NO TO THAT??!?), not making people rich (you CLEARLY have never met a Teamster from New England) Meanwhile some Union management just chartered a jet to go to the superbowl (this actually happened in our union-ALSO unacceptable and they should’ve been voted or dragged out-don’t give excuses, why didn’t YOU run for office then?) That seems like a really good use of union dues is to pay people to advocate for you.
You obviously didn’t read the case, you really should. I also fixed your post up a little bit.
BTW-so you’re calling me a thug? I may resemble that remark when corporations screw over workers who are looking for a collective voice. You’re also WRONG in generalizing ALL unions because I’ll legit bet you a trip to an A320 simulator that not all unions are like this (cause they’re NOT.) If you’re talking about TWU, then say so. Don’t generalize all unions.
You are clearly a bitter bitter man against unions albeit for some valid reasons-personally, I’d Like to show a few of your union’s “leaders” what a “union thug” really is) and I would like to invite you (not kidding) to one of MY union meetings to see what a GOOD union does for its members. A union is only as good as it’s members make it-clearly those in charge of your union should’ve been tossed out and unless you ran for office or DID something about it (and I don’t mean going to management) you stood idly by which the B6 FA’s aren’t doing right now-they’re organizing and an organized workforce makes a company TREMBLE IN FEAR! But WHY??? People want to work there, they merely want a legally binding set of work rules and wages along with grievance machinery in the event of a problem-so why are the companies so afraid???
I actually would have loved to go to a good union's meetings, but alas I have retired from the airline business. As I've said many times here, unions weren't always greedy and they were valuable in the creation of workplace rules (60 years ago). Additionally, I can see why a professional* group (i.e. pilots) would benefit from a union. Entry level jobs notsomuch. A union for entry level jobs, means that those jobs are going to be much more likely to be outsourced or automated. Just look at the number of mainline rampers nowadays compared to just 15 years ago. Half as many? When unions got greedy, they lost their edge. Nowadays for an entry level job, there's little to no benefit to the employee and negative benefit to the company. Not surprisingly union membership is down almost 80% since the 70's.
*When I say professional, I mean a profession that requires many years of training and/or experience.
No, I'm not going to read some pages long link. I really don't care that much. I will capitulate that companies do shady shit, of course, but it pales in comparison to the shady stuff that goes on in a Union campaign. I had an engineer I worked with at one of the Southern car plants. When the UAW was trying to get in there, they sent people to his house...to HIS HOUSE. That's not thug behavior? Ironically, he wasn't even eligible to vote, but he did report it to the NLRB and the plant management.
Yeah, I'm not going to deconstruct all the stuff you inserted into my post. To be clear, I never called you a thug, but the fact that you used the term "Rat" (who says that?) makes me wonder...
FWIW: In that particular situation, the employees
had complained to their stewards (who also didn't like the guy), but they didn't do anything about it so they took it to management.
