I wonder if Pakistani passport holder need a visa to transit via Iran. I wonder if

I wonder if Pakistani passport holder need a visa to transit via Iran. I wonder if Mahan Air and other Iranian carriers get traffic from Pakistan to Europe etc.

Iran is strange. Indians don't even need a visa to travel there yet Pakistanis can't even transfer there without a visa.

TryToFlySomeday wrote:

LH658 wrote:

CanadaFair wrote:

Iran's Kish Air launched once weekly service to Islamabad last week.from Tehran an A321 was used, aviationiran source, in July Mahan resumed Lahore.

These Iranian carriers, always on and off. I wonder if Pakistani need visa to transit in Iran?

According to my aunt and uncle, Pakistanis need visa to go to anywhere except a few select countries such as Afghanistan.

Afghanistan is not visa free for Pakistanis. Below is the full list.


Country Visa requirement Notes (excluding departure fees)
Antigua and Barbuda Electronic Entry Visa[7]
Sri Lanka Electronic Travel Authorization[179][180][181] 30 days; Visa on Arrival is issued provided the traveler has applied for the Electronic Travel Authorization (ETA) online prior to traveling and holds return or onward tickets.
Uganda eVisa / Visa on arrival[201] May apply online.[202]
Kenya eVisa / Visa on arrival[98] 3 months
Kyrgyzstan eVisa[103]
Lesotho eVisa[107][108]
Malaysia eVisa[117][118] 30 days
Myanmar eVisa[134] 28 days. eVisa holders must arrive via Yangon, Nay Pyi Taw or Mandalay airports.
Azerbaijan eVisa[13] 30 days[14]
Rwanda eVisa[158] 30 days
Saint Kitts and Nevis eVisa[159]
São Tomé and Príncipe eVisa[164] Visa is obtained online.[165]
Bahrain eVisa[16] 14 days to 1 Year Multiple entry Visa.[17][18] Visa is not required for holders of valid visa or residence permit issued by GCC countries.
Tajikistan eVisa[188] E-visa holders can enter through all border points.[189]
Zambia eVisa[214]
Zimbabwe eVisa[215]
Gabon eVisa[69] Electronic visa holders must arrive via Libreville International Airport.
Ivory Coast eVisa[93] 3 months; eVisa holders must arrive via Port Bouet Airport.
Micronesia Visa not required[127] 30 days
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines Visa not required[161] 1 month
Trinidad and Tobago Visa not required[195] 30 days
Vanuatu Visa not required[209] 30 days
Dominica Visa not required[56] 6 months
Haiti Visa not required[81] 3 months
Samoa Entry Permit on arrival[162] 60 days
Seychelles Visitor's Permit on arrival[169] 3 months
Cambodia Visa on arrival/[36]
Madagascar Visa on arrival[115] 90 days
Maldives Visa on arrival[119] 30 days
Mauritania Visa on arrival[123] Available at Nouakchott–Oumtounsy International Airport.
Mozambique Visa on arrival[133] 30 days
Nepal Visa on arrival[137]
Palau Visa on arrival[145] 30 days
Qatar Visa on arrival[153][154][155] 30 days. May also apply online.Under following Conditions.
Must have Valid Passport upto 6 months,5000 QAR or Valid credit Card,Return tickets and Cretificate of Vaccination of Polio.

Tanzania Visa on arrival[190][191]
Togo Visa on arrival[193] 7 days
Tuvalu Visa on arrival[200] 1 month
Cape Verde Visa on arrival[39]
Comoros Visa on arrival[45] 45 days
Djibouti Visa on arrival[55]
East Timor Visa on arrival[58] 30 days
Guinea-Bissau Visa on arrival[79] 90 days

CaliguyNYC wrote:

PerfectGriffin wrote:

Iran is strange. Indians don't even need a visa to travel there yet Pakistanis can't even transfer there without a visa.

Actually how many indians would overstay in Iran - almost none. How many Pakistanis might...I think that is more plausible. Also don't Iran and Pakistan have Shia Sunni tensions?

I know for fact 2 Pakistan, Prime Minister were Shia, and 1 President.

CaliguyNYC wrote:

PerfectGriffin wrote:

Iran is strange. Indians don't even need a visa to travel there yet Pakistanis can't even transfer there without a visa.

Actually how many indians would overstay in Iran - almost none. How many Pakistanis might...I think that is more plausible. Also don't Iran and Pakistan have Shia Sunni tensions?

Short answer is "No" Real tension or skirmishes with Iran on western border. In fact Iran was the first country who accepted Pakistan as Independent nation back in 1947.

So what else is new regarding aviation in Pakistan?

PAKISTAN INTL Cockpit Action (incl Boeing 737, 747, 777)

http://www.worldairroutes.com/pia.html

PIA will be adding a new flight to LHR on Wednsdays from Novemebr 8th.
LHR - ISB 1955 (New flight) Incresed from 4-5 weekly.
LHR - LHE 1750
LHR - KHI 1745

Also from Novemebr, ISB-MAN-ISB will be flying daily. Increased from 5 weekly

MAN-ISB has been daily for most of this year, it dropped to 6 weekly only fairly recently.

Nice to see more PAK-UK traffic

https://twitter.com/aftabgilani73?ref_s ... 6004924416

this guy has pics of New Islamabad airport, and renovated Faisalabad, Quetta, and Peshawar airport.

Wow Pakistan is doing some renovations to tier 2 city airports? Never expected this! Woot woot to them!

LH658 wrote:

https://twitter.com/aftabgilani73?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html%23914122286004924416

this guy has pics of New Islamabad airport, and renovated Faisalabad, Quetta, and Peshawar airport.

The new Islamabad Airport/Terminal looks great!!

https://propakistani.pk/2017/04/27/pict ... ke-go-wow/

Are similar plans/projects made for Lahore and Karachi too??

Tkfan wrote:

LH658 wrote:

https://twitter.com/aftabgilani73?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html%23914122286004924416

this guy has pics of New Islamabad airport, and renovated Faisalabad, Quetta, and Peshawar airport.

The new Islamabad Airport/Terminal looks great!!

https://propakistani.pk/2017/04/27/pict ... ke-go-wow/

Are similar plans/projects made for Lahore and Karachi too??

Karachi gotten new clear window jet bridges last time I was there this year. Lahore working on a expansion, I don't when it will start. Though Lahore airport usually spacious, and clean. Just need's more amenities.

I just hope the new ISB airport opens on time this time

LH658 wrote:

Tkfan wrote:

LH658 wrote:

https://twitter.com/aftabgilani73?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html%23914122286004924416

this guy has pics of New Islamabad airport, and renovated Faisalabad, Quetta, and Peshawar airport.

The new Islamabad Airport/Terminal looks great!!

https://propakistani.pk/2017/04/27/pict ... ke-go-wow/

Are similar plans/projects made for Lahore and Karachi too??

Karachi gotten new clear window jet bridges last time I was there this year. Lahore working on a expansion, I don't when it will start. Though Lahore airport usually spacious, and clean. Just need's more amenities.

Adelte Group was doing that. And this project is finished.
https://twitter.com/ADELTE/status/833963462460133376

PIA New York is now just once weekly and not bookable from November.

There's a whole new thread dedicated to PIA cancelling their New York flights.

http://gulfnews.com/news/asia/pakistan/ ... PIA ending there flights to JFK.

It's official now:

According to DAWN News channel:

PIA is ending New York flights from January 1, 2018.

Initially, the airline's twice-a-week flights operated every Wednesday and Saturday for New York will be reduced to once-a-week flight from October 17, 2017. The once-a-week service will be operated every Saturday.

Between October 17 and December 31, passengers with Wednesday PIA flight bookings will be offered seat adjustment in Saturdays flights.

After January 1, passengers with PIA flights bookings will be offered seat adjustment in flights operated by other airlines.

Passengers not accepting booking adjustment in other flights can get their ticket refunded.

Kuwait's Jazeera is to restart Lahore, the route was operated in summer 2010.

Wataniya is also planning to add Pakistan.

China Airlines going 4 weekly to daily for Karachi and Islamabad to Beijing. Triangular route.

Ammad wrote:

China Airlines going 4 weekly to daily for Karachi and Islamabad to Beijing. Triangular route.

Use to be PEK to Chengdu to Karachi on a320, and Islamabad had it own flight. Now it, a332 PEK to ISB to KHI. Surprise Lahore hasn't gotten any love from the Chinese carriers, I know Shaheen Air has been flying to Guangzhou for sometime seem like they are doing well, Malindo Air and Thai seem to enjoy that route. I believe the 737 Max will be flown to Lahore by Malindo Air.

PIA owns a hotel in NYC, the crew usually stays there. I wonder if PIA will sell that hotel. Unfortunately some routes are flown cause of the politicians demand it.
The new PM use to manage Air Blue, I wonder he trying to grow Air Blue. I know he rejected the funds for PIA, and now this.

LH658 wrote:

Ammad wrote:

China Airlines going 4 weekly to daily for Karachi and Islamabad to Beijing. Triangular route.

PIA owns a hotel in NYC, the crew usually stays there. I wonder if PIA will sell that hotel. Unfortunately some routes are flown cause of the politicians demand it.
The new PM use to manage Air Blue, I wonder he trying to grow Air Blue. I know he rejected the funds for PIA, and now this.

PIA Owns New york Roosevelt hotel in Manhattan, it's approximate value is more than 2 Billion$ and the Hotel is expensive enough that PIA crew is not staying in it.

Air blue have no capability to operate trans Atlantic flights, Hence new PM supporting Airblue is kind of baseless assumption.

Ammad wrote:

LH658 wrote:

Ammad wrote:

China Airlines going 4 weekly to daily for Karachi and Islamabad to Beijing. Triangular route.

PIA owns a hotel in NYC, the crew usually stays there. I wonder if PIA will sell that hotel. Unfortunately some routes are flown cause of the politicians demand it.
The new PM use to manage Air Blue, I wonder he trying to grow Air Blue. I know he rejected the funds for PIA, and now this.

PIA Owns New york Roosevelt hotel in Manhattan, it's approximate value is more than 2 Billion$ and the Hotel is expensive enough that PIA crew is not staying in it.

Air blue have no capability to operate trans Atlantic flights, Hence new PM supporting Airblue is kind of baseless assumption.

Multiple airlines around the world own hotels, or have a share, they house there crew there. That would make sense then, housing the crew else where. I am not saying Air Blue will start that, but you didn't understand what I wrote above. Some flights are flown by force, by politicians. The new PM didn't approve the funding, that PIA needed, nor he continued the JFK flight. Adviser for aviation told the, PM this isn't profitable flight, I am sure the other administration knew darn well, but they kept it cause of corrupt reasons. Maybe he wants his former work to succeed.

LH658 wrote:

Multiple airlines around the world own hotels, or have a share, they house there crew there. That would make sense then, housing the crew else where. I am not saying Air Blue will start that, but you didn't understand what I wrote above. Some flights are flown by force, by politicians. The new PM didn't approve the funding, that PIA needed, nor he continued the JFK flight. Adviser for aviation told the, PM this isn't profitable flight, I am sure the other administration knew darn well, but they kept it cause of corrupt reasons. Maybe he wants his former work to succeed.

Administration of Roosevelt hotel is outsourced and PIA is not getting any discount for it's crew member. PIA Crew is **not** staying in Roosevelt hotel as it is more expensive for them to be a customer of it's own hotel. It's strange but it is what it is.

You might need to understand what i said, Air blue is 13 year old and haven't have any serious route to even any European destination. N.A, is another story. In my opinion PM did the right thing by rejecting another bailout package for PIA. PIA need to put her house in order first. If JFK route is making losses, shut it down, and deploy the same Aircraft some where else. Which they are doing by going daily flight to ISB-MAN-ISB route from existing 5 weekly flight just after a week of JFK frequency reduction.

Any clue which US airline is codesharing with PK on LHR-USA routes?

Ammad wrote:

You might need to understand what i said, Air blue is 13 year old and haven't have any serious route to even any European destination. .

Airblue used to serve Manchester, Birmingham and Istanbul.

True, but would Airblue start a JFK flight before even touching LHR? I'd believe it when I see it.

TryToFlySomeday wrote:

Any clue which US airline is codesharing with PK on LHR-USA routes?

Probably AA, I know they had some baggage interline agreement. PK should align all there flights out of LHR with BA or IST with TK. It funny see how the Musharraf Administration PIA had more planes etc, as last 2 regime passed PIA has gone down hill. Is PIA still doing, PIA premier?

LH658 wrote:

TryToFlySomeday wrote:

Any clue which US airline is codesharing with PK on LHR-USA routes?

Probably AA, I know they had some baggage interline agreement. PK should align all there flights out of LHR with BA or IST with TK. It funny see how the Musharraf Administration PIA had more planes etc, as last 2 regime passed PIA has gone down hill. Is PIA still doing, PIA premier?

No PIA premiere is no longer running, the planes were returned to SriLankan.

TryToFlySomeday wrote:

LH658 wrote:

TryToFlySomeday wrote:

Any clue which US airline is codesharing with PK on LHR-USA routes?

Probably AA, I know they had some baggage interline agreement. PK should align all there flights out of LHR with BA or IST with TK. It funny see how the Musharraf Administration PIA had more planes etc, as last 2 regime passed PIA has gone down hill. Is PIA still doing, PIA premier?

No PIA premiere is no longer running, the planes were returned to SriLankan.

I thought they leased some planes from TK, as well.

None, as the deal was not beneficial for TK, just one A333 was leased from SriLankan.

Check how much money PIA loses. This article shows it:
https://www.khaleejtimes.com/business/a ... ing-routes

Maybe PIA should consider “pulling a pre-9W” and becoming a feeder for EY at AUH?

TryToFlySomeday wrote:

Check how much money PIA loses. This article shows it:
https://www.khaleejtimes.com/business/a ... ing-routes

Maybe PIA should consider “pulling a pre-9W” and becoming a feeder for EY at AUH?

Horrible Idea, route all your flights with Turkish, plus Turkish has a extensive USA network, and with Thai or Malaysian, going east bound, and with China Southern or Air China going to the North East.

Surprised Royal Jordanian hasn't tapped in to Pakistan, sending a A320, can get traffic from ORD, YUL, JFK, LHR, FRA and DTW.

http://www.mahan.aero/en/

Mahan Air is Starting IKA to Lahore in November, currently only has Mashhad to Lahore.

PIA restarting India routes.

http://www.indiatvnews.com/news/world-p ... nth-405242

TryToFlySomeday wrote:

I just hope the new ISB airport opens on time this time

Amazing to think ISB may actually open before BER Bradenburg

FoxtrotSierra wrote:

TryToFlySomeday wrote:

I just hope the new ISB airport opens on time this time

Amazing to think ISB may actually open before BER Bradenburg

Amazing indeed

Chances of A380 in Pakistan at the new ISB? The people in Pakistan are being a bit too optimistic over the thoughts of EK possibly doing A380 flights from ISB-DXB

https://fp.brecorder.com/2017/10/20171012225542/

I don't see Emirates operating A380 to Pakistan, Emirates and other Gulf carriers need frequency to Pakistan to get those pax to other places in Middle East, Africa, Asia/Oceania, Europe, and Americas. Also there no high demand for J or F. Why EK, QR, EY, GF, and Oman Air never fly aircraft with F in it. I don't even think Thai or Air China does either. I think BA was the only one. Cargo probably demand for leather goods, sporting goods, textiles, crops, medical goods, and etc. That's why ME3 also have the 777 for.

India is different bigger population, wealth group, I am sure tons of sports stars, bollywood, business people, and etc travel more to India so there is a demand.

New ISB is A380 capable which is good for diversion etc. Maybe during Hajj season or charter flights for Umrah etc you might see A380.

I think from what I read from another article is that, once the new ISB is open, Air Blue, Shaheen, PIA, IATA, CAA, and etc will shift there offices to the new ISB.

Just hoping the Pakistani can maintain what they have.

PIA is suspending US operations. And today i.e. 28th October-17 PK712 will be the last flight.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ap-bgy
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/pk712

PIA restarting KHI to MUM in December.

LH658 wrote:

I don't see Emirates operating A380 to Pakistan, Emirates and other Gulf carriers need frequency to Pakistan to get those pax to other places in Middle East, Africa, Asia/Oceania, Europe, and Americas. Also there no high demand for J or F.

1. If frequency is the problem, fly two A380's
2. If yield is the problem, fly a two-class config.

Emirates is the one airline flying the A380 that has both premium and high density configs and also has enough of each. Pakistan is one of the largest bread and butter markets for EK and the A380 flies to BOM, so it can just as easily fly to ISB. It is a question of when, not if. EK has smart people working for them and they can make any combination of 77W/A380 frequency/density work for them. The reason we haven't seen it yet is infrastructure, and ISB probably knew that they would only get one airline with the A380, and it will be Emirates no question. I'm guessing we'll see a one-off around opening time, and then soon after, an announcement of an A380 upgrade for one of the flights.

Pakistan market can barely fill up 777 business class on any of the ME3, I can see during Hajj and Umrah time that about it.

India has different market than, Pakistan. Bigger wealth populations, more tourist, more industries, and so on.

An A380 flight to ISB on EK is HIGHLY dependent on whether ISB airport opens on time.

TryToFlySomeday wrote:

An A380 flight to ISB on EK is HIGHLY dependent on whether ISB airport opens on time.

Agree 100%

Any news on who PK is codesharing with in America? Last time I remember I saw a UA/PK joint flight being offered from LAS to KHI via SFO and LHR on Google, so I’m starting to suspect UA. But again I may be wrong.