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FLYKTPA wrote:I wonder if they will add nonstop SJC- MCO, TPA, CLE and CVG service?
dc10lover wrote:If only Frontier Airlines can be like EasyJet or RyanAir. They would be so successful.
Midwestindy wrote:FLYKTPA wrote:I wonder if they will add nonstop SJC- MCO, TPA, CLE and CVG service?
Wouldn't that cannibalize their SFO-CLE/CVG/MCO routes?
BayAreaFlyer wrote:It appears SJC-AUS, SJC-CVG, SJC-MCO and SJC-COS will be announced.
BayAreaFlyer wrote:It appears SJC-AUS, SJC-CVG, SJC-MCO and SJC-COS will be announced.
klm617 wrote:Hopefully we will see SJC-DTW added it's a badly need link in the Detroit market.
ERJ170 wrote:klm617 wrote:Hopefully we will see SJC-DTW added it's a badly need link in the Detroit market.
Why is SJC-DTW badly needed? What connection is there between Motor City and Silicon Valley?
ERJ170 wrote:klm617 wrote:Hopefully we will see SJC-DTW added it's a badly need link in the Detroit market.
Why is SJC-DTW badly needed? What connection is there between Motor City and Silicon Valley?
787fan8 wrote:Major tech growth with The development of autonomous vehicles and automobile advancement with technology, it's also the largest O&D market not currently served from DTW since SNA joined the ranks, IIRC PDEW averages around 175 per day, so in the summer it gets up to 200, and even than it could be growing since UA and NK added Bay Area service to SFO and OAK. I don't think this is for F9 though, it should be on DL.ERJ170 wrote:klm617 wrote:Hopefully we will see SJC-DTW added it's a badly need link in the Detroit market.
Why is SJC-DTW badly needed? What connection is there between Motor City and Silicon Valley?
Don't feed the troll my friend. It might bite back.
ERJ170 wrote:When you have a large automobile customer base that is willing to pay a premium yes.Which would require a nonstop flight for that?
Midwestindy wrote:I pointed out that'd be a route for DL.Since when are major F500 companies developing advanced technology, sending their employees on F9?
Midwestindy wrote:Since when are major F500 companies developing advanced technology, sending their employees on F9?
mariner wrote:Midwestindy wrote:Since when are major F500 companies developing advanced technology, sending their employees on F9?
I didn't think that was the implication.
We're dealing with the ULCC market here. It's different.
mariner
nickflightx wrote:Frontier recently announced that they will be returning to SJC with 4 routes. Denver, Las Vegas, Austin, and San Antonio.
Denver starts Oct 5th, but it looks like Frontier is already here to stay for the long run! SJC just sent out a media advisory saying Frontier will be announcing cities (plural) from SJC. Announcement will happen Tuesday morning at 8:30 AM PST. Pretty surprising they are announcing more before they even start!
Any ideas on what they are announcing?
lavalampluva wrote:I think F9 is finding out that there are greener pastures outside of DEN. They're just missing one piece of the puzzle.
bluefltspecial wrote:I'm curious if they will return to SMF, operating costs have finally dropped there with the new terminal. Right now WN has a good share of the traffic with higher fares that would be good pickings for F9.
Midwestindy wrote:Lets end this conversation regarding F9 adding SJC-DTW. 1. It's not a smart move for F9. 2. Companies will pay a premium to fly a higher degree of service (i.e. DL) 3. F9's recent lack of interest at DTW comes to show any growth that will happen will not be singular, but rather in expansion, and if it comes down to it, would be one of the last routes they add if it came down to it, but it won't so the final verdict is, SJC-DTW on DL. That is all.I was referring to DTW people, who suggested that a F9 nonstop DTW-SJC was needed due to the tech connection between the two areas.
flymco753 wrote:Midwestindy wrote:Lets end this conversation regarding F9 adding SJC-DTW. 1. It's not a smart move for F9. 2. Companies will pay a premium to fly a higher degree of service (i.e. DL) 3. F9's recent lack of interest at DTW comes to show any growth that will happen will not be singular, but rather in expansion, and if it comes down to it, would be one of the last routes they add if it came down to it, but it won't so the final verdict is, SJC-DTW on DL. That is all.I was referring to DTW people, who suggested that a F9 nonstop DTW-SJC was needed due to the tech connection between the two areas.
BoeingGuy wrote:flymco753 wrote:Midwestindy wrote:Lets end this conversation regarding F9 adding SJC-DTW. 1. It's not a smart move for F9. 2. Companies will pay a premium to fly a higher degree of service (i.e. DL) 3. F9's recent lack of interest at DTW comes to show any growth that will happen will not be singular, but rather in expansion, and if it comes down to it, would be one of the last routes they add if it came down to it, but it won't so the final verdict is, SJC-DTW on DL. That is all.I was referring to DTW people, who suggested that a F9 nonstop DTW-SJC was needed due to the tech connection between the two areas.
NW did fly SJC-DTW some years ago. I could see DL resuming it more likely now that SJC service is growing. While they are at it, SJC could use JFK, BOS and IAD on one of the network carriers too.
flymco753 wrote:Lets end this conversation regarding F9 adding SJC-DTW. 1. It's not a smart move for F9
flymco753 wrote:2. Companies will pay a premium to fly a higher degree of service (i.e. DL)
flymco753 wrote:3. F9's recent lack of interest at DTW comes to show any growth that will happen will not be singular, but rather in expansion, and if it comes down to it, would be one of the last routes they add if it came down to it, but it won't so the final verdict is, SJC-DTW on DL. That is all.
mariner wrote:I don't think it's smart for F9 at this time to add SJC-DTW because there's so many short/medium range markets from SJC that would be better utilized with those aircraft, CVG and CLE make sense because they're hubs, but DTW doesn't in my opinion at least for F9 it doesn't. There could be co-existence but the companies in both areas would probably prefer DL and their services. The SJC-DTW route is majorily business travel, at least we can assume because it's tech meeting auto. I think with the reduction in MCO service with F9 and skipping over DTW during the mass TPA expansion, it's show how little value F9 truly has in DTW which isn't a bad thing because DTW is littered with NK flights, which is also not a bad thing, but NK comes up swinging, when F9 had the double daily MCO-DTW loaded NK immediately responded with 4x daily.flymco753 wrote:Lets end this conversation regarding F9 adding SJC-DTW. 1. It's not a smart move for F9
I'm not sure who decided it's not a smart move. In Post #19 you made the case for it being a route that should go to Delta. I'm not sure why it should go to Delta - first in, first served, I say, although there may be room for both. There are several routes where Frontier and Delta co-exist.flymco753 wrote:2. Companies will pay a premium to fly a higher degree of service (i.e. DL)
Which is why Frontier doesn't try to attract premium passengers. Bill Franke, who owns the airline, believes there is a huge untapped market out there of "lower end" pax - steerage - LOL.
flymco753 wrote:3. F9's recent lack of interest at DTW comes to show any growth that will happen will not be singular, but rather in expansion, and if it comes down to it, would be one of the last routes they add if it came down to it, but it won't so the final verdict is, SJC-DTW on DL. That is all.
Frontier is starting DTW-MIA in two or three weeks.
mariner
flymco753 wrote:I don't think it's smart for F9 at this time to add SJC-DTW because there's so many short/medium range markets from SJC that would be better utilized with those aircraft, CVG and CLE make sense because they're hubs, but DTW doesn't in my opinion at least for F9 it doesn't. There could be co-existence but the companies in both areas would probably prefer DL and their services. The SJC-DTW route is majorily business travel, at least we can assume because it's tech meeting auto. I think with the reduction in MCO service with F9 and skipping over DTW during the mass TPA expansion, it's show how little value F9 truly has in DTW which isn't a bad thing because DTW is littered with NK flights, which is also not a bad thing, but NK comes up swinging, when F9 had the double daily MCO-DTW loaded NK immediately responded with 4x daily.
AirFiero wrote:BoeingGuy wrote:flymco753 wrote:Lets end this conversation regarding F9 adding SJC-DTW. 1. It's not a smart move for F9. 2. Companies will pay a premium to fly a higher degree of service (i.e. DL) 3. F9's recent lack of interest at DTW comes to show any growth that will happen will not be singular, but rather in expansion, and if it comes down to it, would be one of the last routes they add if it came down to it, but it won't so the final verdict is, SJC-DTW on DL. That is all.
NW did fly SJC-DTW some years ago. I could see DL resuming it more likely now that SJC service is growing. While they are at it, SJC could use JFK, BOS and IAD on one of the network carriers too.
DL had a hub there. I have to think the SJC-DTW market would need hub traffic at DTW.
Does DL still have a hub there?
mariner wrote:Hey it doesn't hurt to disagree, I'm actually glad we had an intelligent conversation about it. Normally I root for DTW on routes but for SJC or COS on F9, I am not rooting or counting on it. If anything, it'd be expecting the TPA route that F9 forgot to add to DTW, but added smaller O&D markets like CMH, IND, MKE and MSP.flymco753 wrote:I don't think it's smart for F9 at this time to add SJC-DTW because there's so many short/medium range markets from SJC that would be better utilized with those aircraft, CVG and CLE make sense because they're hubs, but DTW doesn't in my opinion at least for F9 it doesn't. There could be co-existence but the companies in both areas would probably prefer DL and their services. The SJC-DTW route is majorily business travel, at least we can assume because it's tech meeting auto. I think with the reduction in MCO service with F9 and skipping over DTW during the mass TPA expansion, it's show how little value F9 truly has in DTW which isn't a bad thing because DTW is littered with NK flights, which is also not a bad thing, but NK comes up swinging, when F9 had the double daily MCO-DTW loaded NK immediately responded with 4x daily.
Sure, there's a lot of short/medium routes, but I'm pretty glad they've started some longer ones, too. Your rule would cut out PHL-SJU and I think that would be a pity. Lots of tears - LOL.
As to SJC-DTW, I have no idea if they're starting it or not, I'm not even sure there will be an announcement this week - I can't find any mention of it anywhere, except here.
Assuming the OP is right and there is an announcement, I've been following Frontier for much too long to rule out anywhere, and surely not DTW. It's a long route, but they fly longer and it goes against the recent philosophy of not flying from cold places to cold places in winter, unless they're resorts for skiing. That may be changing with this big expansion. Other than that, my only puzzle is that they may be announcing it now - IF they do - when to me its an ideal route for the warmer months.
My puzzle with this thread is that there seems to be some underground war going on about DTW.
mariner
Midwestindy wrote:
COS airport twitter, likely COS-SEA or COS-SJC if not both....
flymco753 wrote:Hey it doesn't hurt to disagree, I'm actually glad we had an intelligent conversation about it. Normally I root for DTW on routes but for SJC or COS on F9, I am not rooting or counting on it. If anything, it'd be expecting the TPA route that F9 forgot to add to DTW, but added smaller O&D markets like CMH, IND, MKE and MSP.
WesternA318 wrote:AirFiero wrote:BoeingGuy wrote:
NW did fly SJC-DTW some years ago. I could see DL resuming it more likely now that SJC service is growing. While they are at it, SJC could use JFK, BOS and IAD on one of the network carriers too.
DL had a hub there. I have to think the SJC-DTW market would need hub traffic at DTW.
Does DL still have a hub there?
You're thinking of SLC, a couple hundred miles East.
loisencroach wrote:What is the gate situation at COS? I'm wondering if there will ever be a need for the old Western Pacific concourse that is now being used as administrative offices.
AirFiero wrote:loisencroach wrote:Are hubs dependent on O/D which COS presumably would lack?
adamblang wrote:AirFiero wrote:loisencroach wrote:Are hubs dependent on O/D which COS presumably would lack?
O&D traffic is cheaper to transport than connecting traffic. So more O&D = more cost-efficient hub. You don't *need* a lot of O&D but it's a good move to set up your hub in a place that can provide a lot of O&D.
AirFiero wrote:So do we think COS lacks that base for O/D?
Midwestindy wrote:Since when are major F500 companies developing advanced technology, sending their employees on F9?
mariner wrote:flymco753 wrote:Hey it doesn't hurt to disagree, I'm actually glad we had an intelligent conversation about it. Normally I root for DTW on routes but for SJC or COS on F9, I am not rooting or counting on it. If anything, it'd be expecting the TPA route that F9 forgot to add to DTW, but added smaller O&D markets like CMH, IND, MKE and MSP.
Sure, it doesn't hurt to disagree. Its almost bound to happen when it has to do with airline routes that haven't yet been announced.
The fact that the announcement is coming from COS and not SJC changes things
mariner