Frontier Announcing Multiple New Routes

AirFiero · Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:26 am

KLMatSJC wrote:
The website is now updated. Can't booked it yet. This is what I have found:

SJC-COS 4x weekly
SJC-ATL 5x weeklyc
SJC-CVG 3x weekly

All begin around the first week of April.

No DTW.

Holy (bleep). SJC is on FIRE! :candle:

Those are some very interesting choices. But I'm having trouble seeing the market.

Midwestindy · Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:30 am

KLMatSJC wrote:
The website is now updated. Can't booked it yet. This is what I have found:

SJC-COS 4x weekly
SJC-ATL 5x weekly
SJC-CVG 3x weekly

All begin around the first week of April.

No DTW.

Interesting, furthermore I am seeing connections through MCO, CLE, AUS, and CVG and I can even connect through OKC, MSP, and MCI on some flights.

KLMatSJC · Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:14 am

Midwestindy wrote:
KLMatSJC wrote:
The website is now updated. Can't booked it yet. This is what I have found:

SJC-COS 4x weekly
SJC-ATL 5x weekly
SJC-CVG 3x weekly

All begin around the first week of April.

No DTW.

through MCO

Are you seeing a SJC-MCO flight? I looked at it earlier, but I couldn't find that.

Midwestindy · Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:17 am

COS-SEA
COS-SAT
COS-MSP

Appear

Midwestindy · Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:18 am

KLMatSJC wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
KLMatSJC wrote:
The website is now updated. Can't booked it yet. This is what I have found:

SJC-COS 4x weekly
SJC-ATL 5x weekly
SJC-CVG 3x weekly

All begin around the first week of April.

No DTW.

through MCO

Are you seeing a SJC-MCO flight? I looked at it earlier, but I couldn't find that.

Sorry I meant there were a lot of connections through MCO in general, not necessarily SJC-MCO-XXX

LAX772LR · Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:36 am

AirFiero wrote:
WOW, SJC is seeing a boom in new service. Very impressive.

Well, domestically.

Internationally isn't looking so rosy, with the loss of Lufthansa* and most of their Asian services getting pulled back/downgauged.

*I've got a bridge to sell to anyone who actually believes that a flight with only 18J and average loads in the 40s, is coming back "seasonally"

KLMatSJC · Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:12 am

Midwestindy wrote:
COS-SEA
COS-SAT
COS-MSP

Appear

I looked for stuff out of COS, but the only thing I could find was SJC. It still isn't showing up for me.

zackary747 · Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:34 am

Anything for IND yet? Still haven't seen anything.

zackary747 · Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:11 am

The SDF-DEN flight hasn't been added yet, so they are still getting things in the schedule. (SDF was the previous announcement to be added in the schedule at this time)

flymco753 · Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:20 pm

My colleague said that DTW shouldn't get any routes out of this expansion, I think he also said no ISP as planned too.

Midwestindy · Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:26 pm

http://www.postandcourier.com/business/ ... 76857.html
CHS routes will be announced as well...

usairways85 · Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:00 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
http://www.postandcourier.com/business/frontier-airlines-to-outline-new-charleston-flights-tuesday/article_ff59c92a-9caf-11e7-b14c-fbe36f976857.html
CHS routes will be announced as well...

It looks like PHL will get back on the F9 expansion train after I believe only gaining SJU service in the past 6-12 months

knope2001 · Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:05 pm

Finding some interesting red-eyes from the west coast to Denver. Some days it appears the only SFO-DEN flight leaves at 12:59am and arrives Denver at 4:41am Quite the move to up utilization, though the typical overnight gives a buffer so bad delays one day don't spill into the next. Those have to be among the shortest redeye flights flown in the US.

cvgComair · Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:05 pm

usairways85 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
http://www.postandcourier.com/business/frontier-airlines-to-outline-new-charleston-flights-tuesday/article_ff59c92a-9caf-11e7-b14c-fbe36f976857.html
CHS routes will be announced as well...

It looks like PHL will get back on the F9 expansion train after I believe only gaining SJU service in the past 6-12 months

CVG-PHL is going daily A321, pretty significant upgrade.

jetmatt777 · Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:12 pm

OKC-SAN is loaded.

SANFan · Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:21 pm

jetmatt777 wrote:
OKC-SAN is loaded.

...and SAN-TUL as well (starting next April as promised.)

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Midwestindy · Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:23 pm

CHS-ORD/PHL/DEN added

Midwestindy · Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:46 pm

http://www.lanereport.com/81403/2017/09 ... ose-calif/

loisencroach · Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:54 pm

FAT finally loaded to DEN and one-stop to ORD

N292UX · Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:15 pm

Watch DL announce CVG-SJC with either an E175 or 738

flyfresno · Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:20 pm

KLMatSJC wrote:
The website is now updated. Can't booked it yet. This is what I have found:

SJC-COS 4x weekly
SJC-ATL 5x weekly
SJC-CVG 3x weekly

All begin around the first week of April.

No DTW.

No DTW, but the latter two adds are still a bit of a swipe at big papa D.

flyfresno · Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:22 pm

loisencroach wrote:
FAT finally loaded to DEN and one-stop to ORD

Tu Th Su?! And $245 one way to ORD? Are they trying to fail? UA has fares below that, and SWA from OAK-MDW is usually under $200 for a NS. Also, should be Su Mo Th Fr if anything...

loisencroach · Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:04 pm

flyfresno wrote:
loisencroach wrote:
FAT finally loaded to DEN and one-stop to ORD

Tu Th Su?! And $245 one way to ORD? Are they trying to fail? UA has fares below that, and SWA from OAK-MDW is usually under $200 for a NS. Also, should be Su Mo Th Fr if anything...

On top of that....no connections in DEN other than ORD? I'm thinking this will be the third failed attempt at FAT. They were better off launching this from BFL or SCK.

BMcD · Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:19 pm

COS is gaining San Antonio, Minneapolis, San Jose and Seattle (4 route announcements!). The briefing is still going on at COS.

knope2001 · Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:20 pm

For those less familiar with how Frontier rollouts typically go, know that it' not uncommon for plenty of odd things to be out there at first:

--Odd fares, or no fare available.
--Schedules may be out there but navigation may be odd. For example a new flight might operate 7 days per week and you can inquiry on any individual day. But when you inquire on a particular date the alternate date tabs may say NA on some or all other days of the week.
--Connecting itineraries may not be immediately available in all cases.
--Sometimes they only publish Discount Den club fares first and don't release regular fares for days, During that period you won't find the flight on Expedia, for example.

So if something doesn't seem right take it with a grain of salt, check other sources or other examples if applicable, and be patient.

flyfresno · Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:24 pm

knope2001 wrote:
For those less familiar with how Frontier rollouts typically go, know that it' not uncommon for plenty of odd things to be out there at first:

--Odd fares, or no fare available.
--Schedules may be out there but navigation may be odd. For example a new flight might operate 7 days per week and you can inquiry on any individual day. But when you inquire on a particular date the alternate date tabs may say NA on some or all other days of the week.
--Connecting itineraries may not be immediately available in all cases.
--Sometimes they only publish Discount Den club fares first and don't release regular fares for days, During that period you won't find the flight on Expedia, for example.

So if something doesn't seem right take it with a grain of salt, check other sources or other examples if applicable, and be patient.

This is a good point, let's hope for better seeing as the start date is 8+ months away!

flyfresno · Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:26 pm

loisencroach wrote:
flyfresno wrote:
loisencroach wrote:
FAT finally loaded to DEN and one-stop to ORD

Tu Th Su?! And $245 one way to ORD? Are they trying to fail? UA has fares below that, and SWA from OAK-MDW is usually under $200 for a NS. Also, should be Su Mo Th Fr if anything...

On top of that....no connections in DEN other than ORD? I'm thinking this will be the third failed attempt at FAT. They were better off launching this from BFL or SCK.

Top unserved markets out of FAT that wouldn't be backtracking from DEN: ORD, MSP, IAD/BWI/DCA, MCO, JFK/LGA/EWR. Hopefully they will hit at least 3 more of these with connections, but the ORD add is nice.

Midwestindy · Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:31 pm

COS gets SAT, MSP, SEA, and SJC

Edit: didn't see this was already posted

Jshank83 · Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:34 pm

BMcD wrote:
COS is gaining San Antonio, Minneapolis, San Jose and Seattle (4 route announcements!). The briefing is still going on at COS.

Nice to see COS getting some love.

AirFiero · Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:35 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
AirFiero wrote:
WOW, SJC is seeing a boom in new service. Very impressive.

Well, domestically.

Internationally isn't looking so rosy, with the loss of Lufthansa* and most of their Asian services getting pulled back/downgauged.

*I've got a bridge to sell to anyone who actually believes that a flight with only 18J and average loads in the 40s, is coming back "seasonally"

It is a seasonal reduction until it isn't. London appears safe for now.

As for "most of Asian getting pulled or down gauged" that's not even remotely correct. Tokyo is still daily, Beijing was cut by, what, one day a week (as it was in at least three other markets including CHICAGO) and Shanghai is still the same I believe.

Anyway, there was a huge surge of brand new international service all at once. I'm not surprised that adjustments needed to be made to find the right level of service.

SANFan · Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:40 pm

I'm wondering if lots of these routes were ones previously (generally) announced a month or 2 ago during the explosion-announcement, but now we are seeing start dates and service details for them, or are most of these brand new announcements? (E.g., SAN-OKC/TUL were previously 'generically' announced but without specific information of start dates, freq, equip, etc. Today, we have dates and specifics.)

I have lots of trouble keeping track of routes on F9 and wish I could find a way beyond the booking engine, to figure out schedules. Between seasonality, less-than-daily freq, and constant changes, how does one really keep track of what flights operate to what destinations in a given month? Phew!

BTW, I really think this thread's title should be changed to be all-encompassing; otherwise, it's just a matter of time before a bunch more F9-threads are started...

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Jshank83 · Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:42 pm

^agree about new title.

ucdtim17 · Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:44 pm

As an OAK partisan, nice to see expansion at SJC I'm not jealous of

BMcD · Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:47 pm

And good to see COS get some love again and get some new service. Beautiful airport and quick to get through. Maybe we can open the WestPac side that was built/never used if we keep this up?

phluser · Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:12 pm

cvgComair wrote:
usairways85 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
http://www.postandcourier.com/business/frontier-airlines-to-outline-new-charleston-flights-tuesday/article_ff59c92a-9caf-11e7-b14c-fbe36f976857.html
CHS routes will be announced as well...

It looks like PHL will get back on the F9 expansion train after I believe only gaining SJU service in the past 6-12 months

CVG-PHL is going daily A321, pretty significant upgrade.

That's a lot of ULCC capacity for this market pair which historically has high fares and little reason for leisure travel. Plus there is a fare war just 100 miles south on CVG-BWI, with $49/$59 WGA on Southwest pretty much the second week of October to the end of Southwest's booking calendar. But there might be connections out of CVG that now F9 is relying on.

SteveXC500 · Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:13 pm

Wow. $34 OW MSP-COS. Starts April 9th. Mon/Wed/Fri/Sat only A320

jetmechanicdave · Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:27 pm

My bad...I did this on my phone...darn auto correct. Topic header is fixed.

n471wn · Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:09 pm

I agree that COS is so badly underutilized and if I were F9 I would take more and more flights out of Denver--the population footprint justifies this

flyfresno · Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:12 pm

Is there still any service between Minneapolis and Colorado Springs on Delta?

lavalampluva · Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:15 pm

flyfresno wrote:
Is there still any service between Minneapolis and Colorado Springs on Delta?

No

mandargb · Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:33 pm

I thought they already had SJC-DEN.
I have relatives who travelled DFW-DEN-SJC 3/4 years ago.
Had they discontinued it ?

Frontier14 · Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:56 pm

mandargb wrote:
I thought they already had SJC-DEN.
I have relatives who travelled DFW-DEN-SJC 3/4 years ago.
Had they discontinued it ?

F9 use to fly the route, but it was discontinued after the bankruptcy filing. Hope it works out.

Frontier 14

OslPhlWasChi · Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:14 pm

cvgComair wrote:
usairways85 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
http://www.postandcourier.com/business/frontier-airlines-to-outline-new-charleston-flights-tuesday/article_ff59c92a-9caf-11e7-b14c-fbe36f976857.html
CHS routes will be announced as well...

It looks like PHL will get back on the F9 expansion train after I believe only gaining SJU service in the past 6-12 months

CVG-PHL is going daily A321, pretty significant upgrade.

Not including the restart of other seasonal routes (AUS, IAH, MCI, MKE, BNA, SAT),notable shifts for PHL as of April 8, 2018 include:
- CLT from 4x weekly A319 to daily A319
- CVG upgauged to daily A321 (seasonal route)
- RSW from daily A319 to 3x weekly A319
- MSY goes to 3x weekly A319 (Wasn't this up to a daily A321 at one point?)
- MIA return to daily A319 from 3x weekly A321
- MCO goes from 2x daily A321 & 1x daily A319 to 3x daily A321
- TPA goes from daily A321 to 4x weekly A319

Meaning, RDU, PBI, and UST do not appear to be loaded in S18.

Did I miss others?

AWACSooner · Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:23 pm

I gotta ask...with their rapid expansion...where are the planes coming from?

SANFan · Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:33 pm

jetmechanicdave wrote:
My bad...I did this on my phone...darn auto correct. Topic header is fixed.

Thank you sir -- much better!

bb

loisencroach · Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:56 pm

lavalampluva wrote:
flyfresno wrote:
Is there still any service between Minneapolis and Colorado Springs on Delta?

No

That is surprising

atypical · Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:02 pm

I am still trying to figure out where F9 is cutting for these new routes in lieu of getting a bunch of new aircraft.

717atOGG · Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:12 pm

Any news on SEA-CVG? In this article it doesn't mention the route, but when I search it up on Frontier, the booking dates are only available a few times a week, but the flights aren't nonstop. I'm curious to see what they'll do about this route.
Article: https://amp.cincinnati.com/amp/681021001

mariner · Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:20 pm

OslPhlWasChi wrote:
Meaning, RDU, PBI, and UST do not appear to be loaded in S18.

They appear to have shifted PBI completely to TTN and, interestingly, it is shown as bookable on the website throughout the booking window at the moment, taking it to August.

I'll be intrigued to see if that holds, because even MIA is shown as seasonal (end of April).

atypical wrote:
I am still trying to figure out where F9 is cutting for these new routes in lieu of getting a bunch of new aircraft.

They're getting a bunch of new aircraft, mostly A320Neo's. They also have 20 x A319Neo on order, but they won't start coming in until later next year.

mariner

usairways85 · Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:21 pm

OslPhlWasChi wrote:
cvgComair wrote:
usairways85 wrote:
It looks like PHL will get back on the F9 expansion train after I believe only gaining SJU service in the past 6-12 months

CVG-PHL is going daily A321, pretty significant upgrade.

Not including the restart of other seasonal routes (AUS, IAH, MCI, MKE, BNA, SAT),notable shifts for PHL as of April 8, 2018 include:
- CLT from 4x weekly A319 to daily A319
- CVG upgauged to daily A321 (seasonal route)
- RSW from daily A319 to 3x weekly A319
- MSY goes to 3x weekly A319 (Wasn't this up to a daily A321 at one point?)
- MIA return to daily A319 from 3x weekly A321
- MCO goes from 2x daily A321 & 1x daily A319 to 3x daily A321
- TPA goes from daily A321 to 4x weekly A319

Meaning, RDU, PBI, and UST do not appear to be loaded in S18.

Did I miss others?

I thought PHL-CLT/RDU were daily 321's in the summer? So it's rather large downgrade to lose RDU and CLT to go 321>319
PHL-AUS/IAH are on 321's.
PHL-MCI is a 320, not sure what this has been.

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