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aldrigsomandre wrote:Happy September! I hope everyone has a good month. Start of the Spring season for us here in Australia.
I ran into the bureau chief of TK here in Sydney, had a few dealings with him in the past for a completely unrelated matter, but we do know each other. He said that SYD and MEL flights are not possible at the moment, not without new aircraft. TK is concentrating on funneling passengers trough SG and TG, through Singapore and Bangkok, respectively. He said that Australia continues to be TK's biggest offline market.
MalevTU134 wrote:aldrigsomandre wrote:Happy September! I hope everyone has a good month. Start of the Spring season for us here in Australia.
I ran into the bureau chief of TK here in Sydney, had a few dealings with him in the past for a completely unrelated matter, but we do know each other. He said that SYD and MEL flights are not possible at the moment, not without new aircraft. TK is concentrating on funneling passengers trough SG and TG, through Singapore and Bangkok, respectively. He said that Australia continues to be TK's biggest offline market.
That means that of they can't make it nonstop from IST, they are not doing it?
Still amazes me how TK does not hesitate to look at markets like SJO (supposedly) and start markets like HAV and CCS, but not SYD, MEL or even PER. Or is it a lack of bilaterals with Australia?
LAXintl wrote:One of the issues on the kangaroo route is that for any travelers from large feed markets like the UK, a double stop in IST along with a SE Asian point would make the TK service ever less attractive.
LAXintl wrote:The competitive landscape of Kangaroo route is very different than Latin America. Also some of the Americas routes are triangle routings, not as negative of a double stop in both directions.
aldrigsomandre wrote:PER would not be a suitable market for TK as there aren't many Turks in PER and the mining boom has ended so many airlines are downsizing or ending their PER services.
Pe@rson wrote:aldrigsomandre wrote:PER would not be a suitable market for TK as there aren't many Turks in PER and the mining boom has ended so many airlines are downsizing or ending their PER services.
Not many Qataris or Emiratis either, yet there's a daily flight to Doha, up to 2x daily to Abu Dhabi, and 2x daily to Dubai.
Of course, it's majorly about connections.
Turkish also has a stronger European network, albeit less coordinated hub than DXB/AUH/DOH.
aldrigsomandre wrote:
As far as I understand it, with all the one-stop options available from Australia to Europe, TK is unable to launch a competitive offering. .
TK105 wrote:Thanks for the new thread and greetings from AYT.
Here during peak of holiday season everything is sold out and we had to pay a fortune to arrange a decent hotel room (we are paying 2000 TL/day !!!).
Obviously industry is back to earlier record days and I wonder what will be the results. I used to follow AEA (European Airlines Association) web site to compare legacy carriers of Europe and TK. But AEA stoped publishing this data sometime after TK passed AF and became the 2nd airline of Europe (now AEA itself is history by the way). All other sources only provide consolidated pax numbers of groups (I can not find LH only, but LH+LX+SN+OS+etc is published). Is there a source to follow this? Is TK now the biggest legacy carrier in Europe, or LH still is the biggest legacy airline in Europe?
What kind of agencies???
TK105 wrote:Thanks for the new thread and greetings from AYT.
Here during peak of holiday season everything is sold out and we had to pay a fortune to arrange a decent hotel room (we are paying 2000 TL/day !!!).
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dodgers702 wrote:As the year keeps coming to an end I keep wondering if TK will ever be able to start service to MEX as they have longed said that's a destination happening soon. I feel we may not even see it happening this year at all. I'm sure they need to do a technical stop somewhere along the way and just haven't been able to get approval for 5th freedom rights. Or could be that they cannot get the appropriate slots at the congested airport. I gues one day they may give me the surprise. Hopefully we can see it when MEX opens its new airport.
Tkfan wrote:dodgers702 wrote:As the year keeps coming to an end I keep wondering if TK will ever be able to start service to MEX as they have longed said that's a destination happening soon. I feel we may not even see it happening this year at all. I'm sure they need to do a technical stop somewhere along the way and just haven't been able to get approval for 5th freedom rights. Or could be that they cannot get the appropriate slots at the congested airport. I gues one day they may give me the surprise. Hopefully we can see it when MEX opens its new airport.
I recently saw an interview with TKs GM Ilker Ayci, saying next planned destinations are Denpasar and Cancun-Mexico City.
Now if QRs 15 B787 really start to arrive in October, its highly possible.
Unfortunately in Turkish:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=obYtCMWnqCk
aldrigsomandre wrote:Tkfan wrote:dodgers702 wrote:As the year keeps coming to an end I keep wondering if TK will ever be able to start service to MEX as they have longed said that's a destination happening soon. I feel we may not even see it happening this year at all. I'm sure they need to do a technical stop somewhere along the way and just haven't been able to get approval for 5th freedom rights. Or could be that they cannot get the appropriate slots at the congested airport. I gues one day they may give me the surprise. Hopefully we can see it when MEX opens its new airport.
I recently saw an interview with TKs GM Ilker Ayci, saying next planned destinations are Denpasar and Cancun-Mexico City.
Now if QRs 15 B787 really start to arrive in October, its highly possible.
Unfortunately in Turkish:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=obYtCMWnqCk
Was there a 787 with TK colours in that interview?
aldrigsomandre wrote:djxxa wrote:LJ wrote:KLM will reduce AMS-IST as of September 4th. Flights will be reduced to 1 daily after this date.
did that last year as well. winter schedule kind of thing?
I don't think it is possible for any European airline to compete with any Turkish airline on price and frequency. It is better to codeshare with a Turkish airline. It makes sense for Air France/KLM Group to codeshare with AtlasGlobal.
Tkfan wrote:And do you know if they are going to codeshare with Atlasglobal?
Forgot that KL already codeshares with Pegasus thus I doubt Atlasglobal will be codesharing with KL
Makes sense, especially if it is KL1610/1617. They also save costs for crew overnight.
The morning flight was good for US-connections, they can easily be transferred to AF as they keep their morning flight.
TK787 wrote:Really ?? How??? Bilaterals changed?? TK getting more slots??
This article suggests Onur Air is going to serve 4 Chinese cities in 2018:
http://www.kokpit.aero/cin-turkiye-turizm-yili (In Turkish only)
TK787 wrote:Really ?? How??? Bilaterals changed?? TK getting more slots??
This article suggests Onur Air is going to serve 4 Chinese cities in 2018:
http://www.kokpit.aero/cin-turkiye-turizm-yili (In Turkish only)
MeCe wrote:
TC-LNE grounded at BOS because of swissport tow truck hit the engine. Intake section severely damaged, inspection in progress. May be be engine change ? Too early to tell, but possible.
TK787 wrote:To follow up on the Turkey Tourism ad in New York Times from last week; nothing from Turkish Tourism this week inside the paper. So, it is not a repeating ad. I will keep you guys posted.
In contrast, inside New York Times there was a 66 page, full color free travel/culture/art magazine about Columbia (titled "Medellin on my mind").
TK787 wrote:This picture tells it all. See how big of a construction site Istanbul's new airport is.
It is that light colored spot on the Northern shores of Istanbul's Black Sea Coast:
By comparison, you can barely make IST and SAW in the same frame.
LAXintl wrote:In stock market filing on August 25th, I notice TK filed updated 2017 forecast.
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Amazing 21-23% EBITDAR
NichCage wrote:A question I want to ask is about how IST is doing when it comes to passenger numbers.
At some point I believe IST was handling more passengers than both AMS and FRA, but as a result of the terrorists attacks and security issues passengers numbers at IST dropped. Otherwise, it seems like IST has recovered, and TK is also doing well financially it seems. Both AMS and FRA are handling more passengers than IST, but would it be possible in the future to see IST overtake AMS, FRA, or even CDG?
TK787 wrote:To follow up on the Turkey Tourism ad in New York Times from last week; nothing from Turkish Tourism this week inside the paper. So, it is not a repeating ad. I will keep you guys posted.
In contrast, inside New York Times there was a 66 page, full color free travel/culture/art magazine about Columbia (titled "Medellin on my mind").
NichCage wrote:A question I want to ask is about how IST is doing when it comes to passenger numbers.
At some point I believe IST was handling more passengers than both AMS and FRA, but as a result of the terrorists attacks and security issues passengers numbers at IST dropped. Otherwise, it seems like IST has recovered, and TK is also doing well financially it seems. Both AMS and FRA are handling more passengers than IST, but would it be possible in the future to see IST overtake AMS, FRA, or even CDG?
aldrigsomandre wrote:Read this, my Turkish is worse off than I thought it was.
Another piece of TK and 747 news.
http://www.kokpit.aero/thy-boeing-747-8-icin-masada
TK787 wrote:aldrigsomandre wrote:Read this, my Turkish is worse off than I thought it was.
Another piece of TK and 747 news.
http://www.kokpit.aero/thy-boeing-747-8-icin-masada
My Turkish is in great shape I still don't get it.
Why would TK get 748 and replace frequency with capacity. I love that TK flies 3 x daily JFK-IST.
Why would TK go to 4 engines on long haul?
It must have been a quiet aviation news day for Ugur Cebeci.
I hope that TK will get 350/77X/787 combination one day, not the 748/380.
aldrigsomandre wrote:
Wouldn't the 747 make more sense if used to add capacity to slot constrained airports?