Turkish Aviation September 2017

TK105 · Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:34 pm

Tkfan wrote:
On another news, Turkish Airlines inaugurated its new Taining Center, almost doubling its capacities.

I think the most important part of this news is that Ankara based government owned Havelsan has provided the 737-800NG simulators for TK's new training center. This is a major achievement for future.

Tkfan · Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:54 pm

TK105 wrote:
Tkfan wrote:
On another news, Turkish Airlines inaugurated its new Taining Center, almost doubling its capacities.

I think the most important part of this news is that Ankara based government owned Havelsan has provided the 737-800NG simulators for TK's new training center. This is a major achievement for future.

Nice catch, I was focused on the building. Very nice indeed. Luftnasa has also a very nice Training Center in Frankfurt.

Last month Havelsan delivered also a helicopter simulator to Qatar Air Forces. Seems they can produce simulators for various Air Vehicles.
http://www.havelsan.com.tr/M/mobile/ice ... kuvvetleri’ne-ilk-urunu-teslim-etti?d=haber

mercure1 · Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:14 am

TK office in Athens attacked by anarchist

http://greece.greekreporter.com/2017/09 ... in-athens/
http://greece.greekreporter.com/2017/09 ... in-athens/

aldrigsomandre · Thu Sep 14, 2017 2:45 am

mercure1 wrote:
TK office in Athens attacked by anarchist

http://greece.greekreporter.com/2017/09 ... in-athens/
http://greece.greekreporter.com/2017/09 ... in-athens/

This is very sad to see. Parts of this world are headed in a very backwards and racist direction. It's the 17th year of the 21st century and we are still dealing with this crap..

TK773ER · Fri Sep 15, 2017 7:44 am

Lately a lot of rumours regarding TK ordering A350, 787 and 747 8.i It has been mentioned in the past but wait TK is coming to Sydney again this time in 2018 same article mentions Mexico City as well although no sure when ? Now i don't know if this is coming from the horses mouth or A** here is the link http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/sydney ... sCatID=396

Selamlar

leftyboarder · Fri Sep 15, 2017 2:02 pm

TK Jan-Aug 2017 results:

2016 2017 Change (%)
Landings 314,661 310,197 -1.4%
ASK ('000) 114,504,911 114,335,326 -0.1%
RPK('000) 85,051,724 89,660,847 5.4%
LF (%) 74.3% 78.4% 4.1 pt
Pax 42,318,319 44,879,472 6.1%
Int to Int Transfer 14,046,267 13,963,820 -0.6%
Cargo & Mail (Ton) 561,278 709,944 26.5%
Utilisation 12:10 11:39 -4.2%

I don't see a reflection of the stellar performances DHMI has been reporting yet.

LAXintl · Fri Sep 15, 2017 2:36 pm

AtlasGlobal plans a bunch of new routes for Spring 2018 - Rostov-on-Don, St Petersburg, Madrid, Barcelona, Berlin and Munich.

Tkfan · Fri Sep 15, 2017 3:03 pm

leftyboarder wrote:

I don't see a reflection of the stellar performances DHMI has been reporting yet.

"For the connoisseur, even flies sounds like music"

Turkish Airlins August 17 results

Landings 47.314 +5.3%
ASK 17.1 bln +2.6%
RPK 14.4 bln +10.1%
LF 84.3% +5.7 Pp
Pax 7.4 mil +14.3%
IntTr 2.2 mil -2.0%
Cargo 94.332t +18.0%
Util. 13:08 +2.7%

Take some more "Drums&Zurna", or better "Mehter"???

Tkfan · Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:23 pm

Pegasus also published its August Performance

August 2017 (Jan-Aug 17)
Pax 2.79 mil +16.3% (18.14 mil +14.4%)
Cycles 17.186 +10.8% (116.973 +5.8%)
Seats 3.17 mil 11.4% (21.64 mil +6.5%)
LF 87.8% +3.7pp (83.8% +5.8pp)
Util. 13.4h +3% (13.8h +11.1%)

Kudos for all Airlines, Airports and DHMI for a successful August :thumbsup:

mercure1 · Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:50 pm

Great results for August.

While not directly related to airlines, but certainly an indication of things to come Moodys upped its forecast GDP growth rate for Turkey following 5.1 growth in Q2. Turkey actually forecast to have the top economic growth of any G20 nation excluding China and India.

B747forever · Sat Sep 16, 2017 1:30 am

I just flew on TK's sole 737-700. TC-JKO is kind of unique in the TK fleet! Anyone know the story behind this bird, and why TK only has one 737-700 in their fleet?

I also visited the TK IST lounge for the first time during my layover. Wow, what an impressive lounge. Puts so many other lounges to shame. Has TK said anything about their lounge at the new Istanbul airport?

ist2014 · Sat Sep 16, 2017 5:59 am

737-700s have been leased during phaseout of 737-400, all have been picked from secondhand market (amexico etc) for both TK and anadolujet for 3-5 years for the period till arrival of ordered 321s and 738s
I think TK keeps single 737 becuase of high penalty of early return othetwise it does not make sense

leftyboarder · Sat Sep 16, 2017 6:01 am

Tkfan wrote:
Pegasus also published its August Performance

August 2017 (Jan-Aug 17)
Pax 2.79 mil +16.3% (18.14 mil +14.4%)
Cycles 17.186 +10.8% (116.973 +5.8%)
Seats 3.17 mil 11.4% (21.64 mil +6.5%)
LF 87.8% +3.7pp (83.8% +5.8pp)
Util. 13.4h +3% (13.8h +11.1%)

Kudos for all Airlines, Airports and DHMI for a successful August

I was talking about TK YTD stats, not August only.

kaitak · Sat Sep 16, 2017 7:21 am

For an airline of that size, maintaining load factor of 78% is pretty impressive. And a 6% increase in pax numbers is pretty good too

I don't put much trust in the 748i rumours, but it will certainly be interesting to see which of the 787/350 TK goes for. That said, I suspect politics will dictate this order to a considerable extent, as it is likely to be a large one.

ist2014 · Sat Sep 16, 2017 7:34 am

Mix of 788/789/787-1000 is bet fit for Tk, based on list price 787 is better bit we never know discounts

Tkfan · Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:47 am

leftyboarder wrote:

I was talking about TK YTD stats, not August only.

Whats wrong with them??
You dont need to like TK but you can still be fair and objective. You seem to forget that in the first quarter TK laid almost 10% of its capacities off.

If you want to say it could be better by showing Pegasus performance, than do not forget that a Legacy Carrier is not and cannot be as flexibel as LCCs.
Compare what is comparable. TK grewed faster than its European Peers.

B747forever · Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:59 am

ist2014 wrote:
737-700s have been leased during phaseout of 737-400, all have been picked from secondhand market (amexico etc) for both TK and anadolujet for 3-5 years for the period till arrival of ordered 321s and 738s
I think TK keeps single 737 becuase of high penalty of early return othetwise it does not make sense

Thanks.

It makes sense to keep the bird and not terminate any obligations and pay penalties.

leftyboarder · Sat Sep 16, 2017 1:37 pm

Tkfan wrote:
leftyboarder wrote:

I was talking about TK YTD stats, not August only.

Whats wrong with them??
You dont need to like TK but you can still be fair and objective. You seem to forget that in the first quarter TK laid almost 10% of its capacities off.

If you want to say it could be better by showing Pegasus performance, than do not forget that a Legacy Carrier is not and cannot be as flexibel as LCCs.
Compare what is comparable. TK grewed faster than its European Peers.

Who's talking about likes hates? These are corporations, not pet animals. We can be proud of their success or embarrassed of their customer service but I do not like or hate corporations, sorry. That's why I tend to be more objective than those who like or love these corporations and tend to look away when things aren't going so well. I of course would want TK to perform better, but a lot of people confuse two things: "saying things aren't that perfect at TK" is not the same as "wishing things to be not perfect at TK". I am clearly doing the first, not the second. I hope things are indeed getting better and these miraculous numbers aren't just a result of Russian tourist boom. A slow rise in RPK vs a rapid pax increase points to more short haul pax parried than before.

And I wasn't quoting your PC post for a specific reason, this forum for some reason doesn't let one quote a previous post of a poster.

Tkfan · Sat Sep 16, 2017 2:28 pm

leftyboarder wrote:

Who's talking about likes hates? These are corporations, not pet animals. We can be proud of their success or embarrassed of their customer service but I do not like or hate corporations, sorry. That's why I tend to be more objective than those who like or love these corporations and tend to look away when things aren't going so well. I of course would want TK to perform better, but a lot of people confuse two things: "saying things aren't that perfect at TK" is not the same as "wishing things to be not perfect at TK". I am clearly doing the first, not the second. I hope things are indeed getting better and these miraculous numbers aren't just a result of Russian tourist boom. A slow rise in RPK vs a rapid pax increase points to more short haul pax parried than before.

And I wasn't quoting your PC post for a specific reason, this forum for some reason doesn't let one quote a previous post of a poster.

Honest and objective criticism is always valuable, but it would be more honest and more objective if you considered the circumstances TK had in this time frame. I.e. its capacity cuts in 1Q17, electronics ban for almost 3 month to USA and UK, probably bound to agreements of 5 A332 for Russian Charter etc pp.

PAX numbers growing faster than RPK is also not necessarily a bad sign. TKs bread&butter business is short-/medium haul. And dont forget TKs huge Domestic and also growing network.

leftyboarder wrote:

I don't see a reflection of the stellar performances DHMI has been reporting yet.

Adding DHMI to your comment is not necessarily helping.

Tkfan · Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:08 pm

https://youtu.be/ut33xxbSG7Y

The most recent video of New Istanbul Airport. With views of interior, baggage sorter system, ATC tower and runways.

In the Video the CEO says ground-breaking was on May 1, 2015. Their speed is insane!

globetrotter94 · Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:33 pm

Tkfan wrote:
https://youtu.be/ut33xxbSG7Y

The most recent video of New Istanbul Airport. With views of interior, baggage sorter system, ATC tower and runways.

In the Video the CEO says ground-breaking was on May 1, 2015. Their speed is insane!

Wow!!! Very impressive

... Only ~2 years to clear all those mine pits and take construction to its current level? Will it beat BER to opening :stirthepot:

? Fingers crossed...

Tkfan · Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:41 am

globetrotter94 wrote:
Tkfan wrote:
https://youtu.be/ut33xxbSG7Y

The most recent video of New Istanbul Airport. With views of interior, baggage sorter system, ATC tower and runways.

In the Video the CEO says ground-breaking was on May 1, 2015. Their speed is insane!

Wow!!! Very impressive ... Only ~2 years to clear all those mine pits and take construction to its current level? Will it beat BER to opening ? Fingers crossed...

I think he meant ground-breaking or laying foundation of the Terminal Building.

Afaik there where extensive groundworks and testing before that. The tender was in 2013 and none of the consortiums knowed the area exactly as it was kept secret.
There were also major changes made to the masterplan and this was very disputed at that time. Official land handover and official construction works start was in 2015 I think.

As for BER... a new official opening date will be announced after the elections, in October.
Both maybe can open simultaneously in 4Q18.
But if they will be operational, we will see... BER having the edge as everything is completed.

radiopolitic · Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:05 pm

Turkish pilots recalled to plug gaps in depleted air force

OA260 · Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:35 pm

radiopolitic wrote:
Turkish pilots recalled to plug gaps in depleted air force

More here :

Turkish pilots recalled to plug gaps in depleted air force

Decree mandates return after Erdogan’s purge leaves holes in fighter jet ranks

As a busy summer flying passengers around the world drew to a close, most Turkish Airlines pilots were looking forward to a relaxed autumn. Instead, the government dropped a bombshell.

An emergency decree published late last month announced that scores of former fighter jet pilots face a mandatory recall — or risk losing their licences. Between 200 and 300 civilian pilots, many of whom work for the national flag carrier, could now be summoned back to fill a shortage in the air force created by President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s purge of the military after last year’s failed putsch, analysts and pilots say.

https://www.ft.com/content/ecdb3ff0-993 ... e3f882dd7b

aldrigsomandre · Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:56 am

A Reuters article regarding TK in Africa.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-turk ... SKCN1BN1CZ

bahadir · Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:50 am

mafaky wrote:
BTW, does anyone have the idea if the upper deck of a 748 can be equipped with 3+3 Economy Seat rows? Or will it be limited to an absurd 2+3 Y Seats rows?

Our pax 747s (all coach ones) have 3+3 seating.

bahadir · Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:54 am

MalevTU134 wrote:
Not sure about the 748, but the 741, 742, 743 and 744 (don't know about the 747SP) have all flown with 3+3 on upper deck for various airlines. Would the 748 frame be narrower??

No.. why would you think a variant would have a narrower cross section? Show me an airliner that has that!

globetrotter94 · Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:04 am

Tkfan wrote:
globetrotter94 wrote:
Tkfan wrote:
https://youtu.be/ut33xxbSG7Y

The most recent video of New Istanbul Airport. With views of interior, baggage sorter system, ATC tower and runways.

In the Video the CEO says ground-breaking was on May 1, 2015. Their speed is insane!

Wow!!! Very impressive ... Only ~2 years to clear all those mine pits and take construction to its current level? Will it beat BER to opening ? Fingers crossed...

I think he meant ground-breaking or laying foundation of the Terminal Building.

Afaik there where extensive groundworks and testing before that. The tender was in 2013 and none of the consortiums knowed the area exactly as it was kept secret.
There were also major changes made to the masterplan and this was very disputed at that time. Official land handover and official construction works start was in 2015 I think.

As for BER... a new official opening date will be announced after the elections, in October.
Both maybe can open simultaneously in 4Q18.
But if they will be operational, we will see... BER having the edge as everything is completed.

I see, but surely groundwork could not have started before 2013 or '14, so still, all that progress in only 3-4 years.

AFAIK re. BER, everything may be completed, but it is still suffering from systems problems such as ventilation, alarm, and emergency warning systems; hence, the lack of a definitive opening date--at least that is my understanding.

bahadir · Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:10 am

Flew BRU-IST on Business last week. It was one of the new 321s with sharklets. (sorry I was tired after flying non stop for 3 days).
The food choice and the service was mediocre at best. The wide regular business class seat was extremely uncomfortable. The service was weird as well. The purser whisked away the food as I was eating. I guess I have been pretty spoiled with Asian flights of Asiana, Korean, Shanghai (yes, they are not bad at all), Cathay Dragon and Cathay business class service.

IST airport is a zoo. This morning flew IST-ZRH on my favorite flight (TK 1907 - reference to the Fenerbahce futball team). They only had 4 security lanes open on the international departures. The floors were not clean. Besides the overcrowding issue, there is this low light, heavy air issue at the terminal. I think TAV has given up on this building already.

AirbusA343 · Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:21 pm

TK seems to have been sending their 77W to some really random places recently. Ljubljana, Lyon and Marseille have all seen 77Ws this week. Obviously there's some reasoning to that. I'm guessing there was some sort of event in Ljubljana because they upgauged some of their 738 flights to A321s and there were some additional flights too.

Tkfan · Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:45 pm

AirbusA343 wrote:
TK seems to have been sending their 77W to some really random places recently. Ljubljana, Lyon and Marseille have all seen 77Ws this week. Obviously there's some reasoning to that. I'm guessing there was some sort of event in Ljubljana because they upgauged some of their 738 flights to A321s and there were some additional flights too.

Ljubljana I guess were Basketball fans due to the Finals in Istanbul.

Lyon and Marseille might be Pilgrimers, the Hajjis are returning.

TK787 · Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:13 pm

http://www.kokpit.aero/thy-boeing-787-9-aliyor
Kokpit.aero also reports that TK is about to order 40 x 787-900. Just like rumors earlier this month and Turkish Fleet News' article on it few days ago, all roads lead to 787. Yeay!! Let's see 40 firm, any options, all -900s?
From what I can gather, with the EU-Turkish relations the way they are, TK (as usual politically motivated) moves towards Boeing and I guess it will use tonights dinner between the Turkish and the US president as a platform to announce the deal. I have a feeling many strings (political and military) attached to this deal.
Whatever the case, I'll be happy that my username is a reality after 11 years and will be looking forward to flying in one of those between JFK-IST

My prediction is that they will have 42C 231Y seating on the 789.

ist2014 · Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:33 pm

It will be a long night
Does anybody know why TK is not considering 788 and even 781 and focus is on 789

Tkfan · Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:38 pm

ist2014 wrote:
It will be a long night
Does anybody know why TK is not considering 788 and even 781 and focus is on 789

788 has no advantage over 789. No 788 were ordered after 789 EIS.
There is also no need for 781 as A333 is perfectly suitable for the mission.

AirbusA343 · Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:51 pm

I wonder if the plane crash at Ataturk had anything to do with the thunderstorm earlier? Also thanks tkfan for clearing up that question yesterday!
Also regarding the 787s I hope if they are ordered they will free up some A330s which in turn would appear on some routes operated by A321s atm which would then cascade the A321s to some 737 routes. The 737s are really killing me here in DUB!

TK787 · Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:55 pm

AirbusA343 wrote:
I wonder if the plane crash at Ataturk had anything to do with the thunderstorm earlier?

From what I can see from the early reports it seems like a landing gear issue. After takeoff Pilot called the tower, mentioned landing gear problems and returned to IST for landing and gear collapsed. 35R is closed. Captain lost his life, RIP.

AirbusA343 · Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:03 pm

TK787 wrote:
AirbusA343 wrote:
I wonder if the plane crash at Ataturk had anything to do with the thunderstorm earlier?

From what I can see from the early reports it seems like a landing gear issue. After takeoff Pilot called the tower, mentioned landing gear problems and returned to IST for landing and gear collapsed. 35R is closed. Captain lost his life, RIP.

What a tragedy

. TK departures are normal right now but obviously some really bad arrivals delays. The flight from Malaga has been holding for a hour now. I assume this means departure delays later due to a lack of aircraft on the ground and quite a few diversions.

Just an update, IST is now taking in aircraft. I guess the delays won't be as bad as they could have been then, luckily for the pax.

TK787 · Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:04 pm

It is a mess over the skies around IST. I have never seen it like this. Also down to one runway, there are now 10 planes in line to take off. Tower tells pilots to take into account, only one take off every two minutes, pushback accordingly.

BOEING777EK · Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:09 pm

Lets hope that the new airport can handle the capacity needed for TK and other International operators for IST

TK787 · Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:18 pm

And now this from flightaware:
https://flightaware.com/squawks/view/1/ ... ing_787_9s
"Turkish Airlines is expected to sign up for at least 10 Boeing 787-9s this weekend, with options for up to 30 more, and plans to finally start flights from Istanbul to Australia."

Tkfan · Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:21 pm

TK787 wrote:
It is a mess over the skies around IST. I have never seen it like this. Also down to one runway, there are now 10 planes in line to take off. Tower tells pilots to take into account, only one take off every two minutes, pushback accordingly.

Must be Murphys Law. One of the 17/35 Runways is closed for a week until September 23th for some work.

So all take-offs and landings on 05/23.

LAXintl · Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:32 pm

Tkfan wrote:
So all take-offs and landings on 05/23.

They are using 35R for departures and 05 for landings.

BOEING777EK · Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:50 pm

The A350-1000 or ULR would of been a better choice for TK. At least Airbus could of discounted the -1000 price only for TK.

Tkfan · Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:56 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Tkfan wrote:
So all take-offs and landings on 05/23.

They are using 35R for departures and 05 for landings.

Yes, seems to be open again 35R.
17R/35L is closed due to overhaul works until September 23th.
http://m.airkule.com/haber/PARALEL-PIST-BAKIMDA/28259

BOEING777EK wrote:
The A350-1000 or ULR would of been a better choice for TK. At least Airbus could of discounted the -1000 price only for TK.

A359 and -1000 still in the run.

My bet is 789 and 359+351

LAXintl · Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:44 pm

Congrats TK787 for your name hopefully finally becoming reality.

Now we need to figure out how to get you invited to the factory to delivery celebrations!

AirAY · Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:05 pm

This was also leaked earlier this month on "Turkish Aviation" thread.
Could this be finally true and my username after 11 years become a reality ?? (Fingers crossed)

From Turkish Fleet News' Facebook page few minutes ago:
"Turkish Airlines selected its new WB Fleet
TK has choices Boeing's Dreamliner for its new Longhaul Fleet. Around 10 Boeing 787-9 would be ordered."

On our thread: https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1374197

This was first on this thread, but first of all out of this site: https://de-de.facebook.com/trfleetnews/

TK787 · Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:54 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Congrats TK787 for your name hopefully finally becoming reality.

Now we need to figure out how to get you invited to the factory to delivery celebrations!

At last, at last, at last. WOW!!!! Very big day for me and for Turkish Aviation.
That is a huge order and you know all, I have been waiting for this for all these years.
Yes, "LAXintl", you can pull any/all of your strings to get me on that delivery celebration/first flight/whatever

wing wrote:
Turkish Airlines will purchase B787.

And let's not forget, a week ago, you heard it here first folks.
#82 of this months' thread from a.net member "wing", which I had the pleasure of having dinner two nights ago here in NYC.

We have been hearing this for many many years. Here is a personal message I got on June 20th, 2011 from a.net member "PanAm DC10":
"Your username will become reality by the end of this year. Best Regards"

I am sure this piece of news will give us many many months worth of talking points, dreams, speculations. I can't wait

Congratulations TK, Congratulations Boeing. Happy Flights and Safe Landings to all.

Now, I celebrate

TK105 · Fri Sep 22, 2017 6:14 am

Very good news. Congrats to TK, Boeing and TK787.

After the DC10 and A343 experiences, I think TK only goes for models that are matured and proven. We can say, B789 is a timely decision, in this regard. B789 will give important additional capabilies for TK. I also expect TK to order A359, A339neo and B779 for wb fleet of 2020s.

ankaraflyjet · Fri Sep 22, 2017 6:43 am

Great choice, I am so happy that right a/c is selected, this will have good financial results for TK and long haul expansion will be done profitably, needless to say YVR IST is the ideal route for this air craft...of course there is many more in North America, Far East etc.

globetrotter94 · Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:51 am

TK787 wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Congrats TK787 for your name hopefully finally becoming reality.

Now we need to figure out how to get you invited to the factory to delivery celebrations!

At last, at last, at last. WOW!!!! Very big day for me and for Turkish Aviation.
That is a huge order and you know all, I have been waiting for this for all these years.
Yes, "LAXintl", you can pull any/all of your strings to get me on that delivery celebration/first flight/whatever

wing wrote:
Turkish Airlines will purchase B787.

And let's not forget, a week ago, you heard it here first folks.
#82 of this months' thread from a.net member "wing", which I had the pleasure of having dinner two nights ago here in NYC.

We have been hearing this for many many years. Here is a personal message I got on June 20th, 2011 from a.net member "PanAm DC10":
"Your username will become reality by the end of this year. Best Regards"

I am sure this piece of news will give us many many months worth of talking points, dreams, speculations. I can't wait
Congratulations TK, Congratulations Boeing. Happy Flights and Safe Landings to all.

Now, I celebrate

A 2nd congrats on your username becoming reality!

Personally (for selfish reasons), I am hoping that induction of Dreamliners will make the dropped Istanbul-Osaka, Japan route economically viable again!

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