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New Zealand Aviation Thread - September 2017

Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:17 am

Welcome to the September edition of the New Zealand Aviation Thread. Please continue to add your comments below. Link to August edition viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1369937
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - September 2017

Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:47 am

Thanks for new thread.
I have a question to ask about Air New Zealand.
They seem to have 4 B789s on order are these to replace older B77Es or for expansion to new destinations or for increasing frequencies on current routes?
 
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Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:46 pm

TheGeordielad wrote:
Thanks for new thread.
I have a question to ask about Air New Zealand.
They seem to have 4 B789s on order are these to replace older B77Es or for expansion to new destinations or for increasing frequencies on current routes?

The 4 are for expansion. The 77E replacement order will be announced FY18.
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Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:07 pm

aerorobnz wrote:
TheGeordielad wrote:
Thanks for new thread.
I have a question to ask about Air New Zealand.
They seem to have 4 B789s on order are these to replace older B77Es or for expansion to new destinations or for increasing frequencies on current routes?

The 4 are for expansion. The 77E replacement order will be announced FY18.

Thank you is it between the 777X,B7810 or a350?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - September 2017

Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:27 pm

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Thank you is it between the 777X,B7810 or a350?

It's between the 777X and A350. The 787-10 is not in the contest. In effect what will be decided is the 77E and 77W replacement. So, the 777-8 / 777-9 versus the A359 / A35K.

The 777-8 is not available until 2022 at the earliest and Air NZ has options to lease a 789 in 2019 and another in 2020. However, if Air NZ decided to go for the A350 they could start off with the A359ULR from 2019 if Airbus found say three or four early delivery slots to swing the order. That would make any further 789s after 2018 unnecessary.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - September 2017

Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:25 am

I see PR is operating an A321 on their MNL-CNS-AKL service today. Is this a one off or has there been any upgauge I missed?
 
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I see PR is operating an A321 on their MNL-CNS-AKL service today. Is this a one off or has there been any upgauge I missed?

It has happened a number of times sporadically, seems ADHOC rather than any particular schedule.
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Fri Sep 01, 2017 4:28 am

NZ28 AKL-IAH (ZK-OKH) has just departed. Only three Air NZ AKL-IAH flights were affected. The Sun flight diverted to LAX and the Mon and Thu flights were cancelled. No flights on Tue and Wed as IAH is five weekly.

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Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:07 am

Just noticed NZ28 AKL-IAH on Wed 29 Nov and Tue 05 Dec will be a 77W. Any particular reason for the extra premium seats? The daily 789 is from Fri 08 Dec.

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Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:14 am

VA plans to operate AKL-APW 5 weekly from mid November

http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/0 ... -to-samoa/
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Do we have any idea as to when in-flight wifi will be installed and on which aircraft? I read that it will rolled out on the Tasman firstly so does this mean the international A320s will be first?

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VA plans to operate AKL-APW 5 weekly from mid November

http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/0 ... -to-samoa/


Does anyone know how much has changed, compared to there current flights operated under the Virgin Soma name?
 
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Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:44 am

zkncj wrote:
qf789 wrote:
VA plans to operate AKL-APW 5 weekly from mid November

http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/0 ... -to-samoa/


Does anyone know how much has changed, compared to there current flights operated under the Virgin Soma name?


The routes flown as Virgin Samoa are in the article:

"Virgin Samoa, 49 per cent held by Virgin Australia, 49 per cent by the Samoan government and two per cent by Samoa-based tourism company Grey Investment Group, currently has three flights a week on the Sydney-Apia route, a once weekly flight on Brisbane-Apia and six flights a week on Auckland-Apia."

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - September 2017

Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:53 am

PA515 wrote:
NZ28 AKL-IAH (ZK-OKH) has just departed. Only three Air NZ AKL-IAH flights were affected. The Sun flight diverted to LAX and the Mon and Thu flights were cancelled. No flights on Tue and Wed as IAH is five weekly.

PA515


Saturday was cancelled after originally being delayed.

[quote="PA515"]Just noticed NZ28 AKL-IAH on Wed 29 Nov and Tue 05 Dec will be a 77W. Any particular reason for the extra premium seats? The daily 789 is from Fri 08 Dec.

PA515[/quote

Probably after the final 77W returns from refit and fitting in a bit of maintenance on the 772 fleet before the summer peak kicks off around DEC 10th. It happened last year at some point a couple of times possibly about the same time.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - September 2017

Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:38 pm

Interesting little article on innacuracy of departure cards.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/ ... nt-numbers

Statistics New Zealand said it was working on a new measure which combined the accuracy of the new data method while using modelling so that the figures were kept up-to-date.

It aimed to reduce the reliance on departure cards.

"Requiring departing travellers to fill in cards is viewed as a burden on traveller movements through airports, and on the operational public services staff who have to collect and process these," Statistics New Zealand said.

It sounds like longer term they may even get rid of them. Pretty sure that will make a few people here happy. :p
 
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Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:40 pm

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It sounds like longer term they may even get rid of them. Pretty sure that will make a few people here happy. :p

Good. They're stupid. Much of the info is already held by the airlines and filling it out before departure is such a ridiculous waste of time. You should be able to fill them in online before your flight, or even better at checkin the agent should hand you one with all the details known already pre-filled in digitally.

Departure/arrival cards are one of the many reasons I prefer travelling short-haul flying around Europe as compared to AU/NZ international. I've done loads of flying around Scandinavia, Germany, France, Spain etc in the last months and it's all seamless without all that pointless paperwork that has to be filled out. No customes/MAF/MPI too.
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Fri Sep 01, 2017 7:31 pm

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ZaphodHarkonnen wrote:
It sounds like longer term they may even get rid of them. Pretty sure that will make a few people here happy. :p

Good. They're stupid. Much of the info is already held by the airlines and filling it out before departure is such a ridiculous waste of time. You should be able to fill them in online before your flight, or even better at checkin the agent should hand you one with all the details known already pre-filled in digitally.

Departure/arrival cards are one of the many reasons I prefer travelling short-haul flying around Europe as compared to AU/NZ international. I've done loads of flying around Scandinavia, Germany, France, Spain etc in the last months and it's all seamless without all that pointless paperwork that has to be filled out. No customes/MAF/MPI too.


Departure cards shouldn't be required at all - are there now any countries after than New Zealand that still require them?

I find the departure process for New Zealand to behind the times, and if they we're living an Cold War dream making it hard of people to leave the country. The fact that Australia is now ditched them proves that they are an waste time.

Why can't it be like the USA/UK we're post security you go straight to the gate, no required to add another que.
 
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Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:50 pm

zkojq wrote:
ZaphodHarkonnen wrote:
It sounds like longer term they may even get rid of them. Pretty sure that will make a few people here happy. :p

Good. They're stupid. Much of the info is already held by the airlines and filling it out before departure is such a ridiculous waste of time. You should be able to fill them in online before your flight, or even better at checkin the agent should hand you one with all the details known already pre-filled in digitally.

Departure/arrival cards are one of the many reasons I prefer travelling short-haul flying around Europe as compared to AU/NZ international. I've done loads of flying around Scandinavia, Germany, France, Spain etc in the last months and it's all seamless without all that pointless paperwork that has to be filled out. No customes/MAF/MPI too.


Agree they are a pain and very pleased Oz have stopped their use outbound, I have traveled a lot to Oz over the last 5-6 years and always complete all 4 arrival/departure cards before leaving home, makes it much easier.....
 
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Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:58 am

http://www.customs.govt.nz/news/resourc ... e-card.pdf

Looking at the current New Zealand Departure card this afternoon - surely they already have 90% of this information digitally?, and its just an matter of departments talking to each other?

1. Flight Number: Don't airlines submit there passengers lists to Customs?
2. Departure Date: Wouldn't customs system record this when you use the SmartGate or have your passport scanned at an counter? Pretty bad if they don't already know this infomation.
3. Nationality on Password: Again wouldn't this be read digital off your passport when being proccessed?
4. Passport Number: same as above
7. Days away from New Zealand: Simple can't there system do the math? e.g. Arrival Date - Departure date = days away without asking.
11. What Country we're you born: Again wouldn't this be read digital off your passport when being proccessed? - shouldn't they already know this.
12. Your address in New Zealand: Surely they should already have this on record?
 
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Sat Sep 02, 2017 5:44 am

UA to use 77W on SFO-AKL flights, frequency will be adjusted accordingly

29OCT17 – 17DEC17 6 weekly instead of 7 weekly (Day x1 from SFO, Day x3 from AKL)
18DEC17 – 22MAR18 7 weekly instead of 10 weekly

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... f-01sep17/
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UA to use 77W on SFO-AKL flights, frequency will be adjusted accordingly

29OCT17 – 17DEC17 6 weekly instead of 7 weekly (Day x1 from SFO, Day x3 from AKL)
18DEC17 – 22MAR18 7 weekly instead of 10 weekly

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... f-01sep17/


Pretty impressive - wonder if the SYD services will get to see the 77W too? Shows AKL-SFO is very seasonal, since they didn't end up operating at all during the middle of winter.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - September 2017

Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:25 am

qf789 wrote:
UA to use 77W on SFO-AKL flights, frequency will be adjusted accordingly

29OCT17 – 17DEC17 6 weekly instead of 7 weekly (Day x1 from SFO, Day x3 from AKL)
18DEC17 – 22MAR18 7 weekly instead of 10 weekly

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... f-01sep17/


Not bad considering they only have 14 with 4 77W's on order and it runs for 5 months of the year. Seems to me to make sense to me to use larger gauge than increase. Cheaper to i'd say.
 
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Sat Sep 02, 2017 5:08 pm

qf789 wrote:
UA to use 77W on SFO-AKL flights, frequency will be adjusted accordingly

29OCT17 – 17DEC17 6 weekly instead of 7 weekly (Day x1 from SFO, Day x3 from AKL)
18DEC17 – 22MAR18 7 weekly instead of 10 weekly
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... f-01sep17/


Will NZ be using the 77E in greater frequency as a capacity offset?
 
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Sat Sep 02, 2017 10:05 pm

zkojq wrote:
ZaphodHarkonnen wrote:
It sounds like longer term they may even get rid of them. Pretty sure that will make a few people here happy. :p

Good. They're stupid. Much of the info is already held by the airlines and filling it out before departure is such a ridiculous waste of time. You should be able to fill them in online before your flight, or even better at checkin the agent should hand you one with all the details known already pre-filled in digitally.

Departure/arrival cards are one of the many reasons I prefer travelling short-haul flying around Europe as compared to AU/NZ international. I've done loads of flying around Scandinavia, Germany, France, Spain etc in the last months and it's all seamless without all that pointless paperwork that has to be filled out. No customes/MAF/MPI too.


You realise that you are comparing apples with oranges? The EU is practically one country ("domestic market"), and therefore no border controls are in place when flying within the Schengen area. It is like a "domestic" flight, even if you are flying between countries. You don't need a departure card to get from AKL to CHC either (maybe a visa though, haha).

Having said that, I agree that the departure cards are not necessary. Heck, even arrival cards are not necessary - the EU doesn't have those either...
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - September 2017

Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:03 pm

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It sounds like longer term they may even get rid of them. Pretty sure that will make a few people here happy. :p


They don't bother me. I've no idea if the cards - arrival or departure - help keep us safe, but every day I give thanks that I live in here in NZ, pretty much free of terror attacks, unlike the Schengen countries.

if those in charge of security say we'd be fine without them, I'd accept that, but until they do I'll just shrug - or not even think about them. They're not arduous to fill in.

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Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:37 pm

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if those in charge of security say we'd be fine without them, I'd accept that, but until they do I'll just shrug - or not even think about them. They're not arduous to fill in.mariner

Agreed - yes, it's a bit of a pain, but it's a pinprick compared with so many of the other inconveniences that you suffer while travelling!
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - September 2017

Sun Sep 03, 2017 2:40 am

zkncj wrote:
http://www.customs.govt.nz/news/resources/documents/nz-passenger-departure-card.pdf

Looking at the current New Zealand Departure card this afternoon - surely they already have 90% of this information digitally?, and its just an matter of departments talking to each other?

1. Flight Number: Don't airlines submit there passengers lists to Customs?
2. Departure Date: Wouldn't customs system record this when you use the SmartGate or have your passport scanned at an counter? Pretty bad if they don't already know this infomation.
3. Nationality on Password: Again wouldn't this be read digital off your passport when being proccessed?
4. Passport Number: same as above
7. Days away from New Zealand: Simple can't there system do the math? e.g. Arrival Date - Departure date = days away without asking.
11. What Country we're you born: Again wouldn't this be read digital off your passport when being proccessed? - shouldn't they already know this.
12. Your address in New Zealand: Surely they should already have this on record?


Just a thought, this largely is for statistical purposes I believe.

Just so you know, some people depart on one passport and arrive on another, for example, I know many Brits leave NZ to the UK on their UK passport but will return on their NZ password. When you arrive back customs really have no idea you left. Remember in that case your UK passport isn't linked to your NZ one.

No idea why question 10 is important to anyone.
 
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NZ6 wrote:
zkncj wrote:
http://www.customs.govt.nz/news/resources/documents/nz-passenger-departure-card.pdf

Looking at the current New Zealand Departure card this afternoon - surely they already have 90% of this information digitally?, and its just an matter of departments talking to each other?

1. Flight Number: Don't airlines submit there passengers lists to Customs?
2. Departure Date: Wouldn't customs system record this when you use the SmartGate or have your passport scanned at an counter? Pretty bad if they don't already know this infomation.
3. Nationality on Password: Again wouldn't this be read digital off your passport when being proccessed?
4. Passport Number: same as above
7. Days away from New Zealand: Simple can't there system do the math? e.g. Arrival Date - Departure date = days away without asking.
11. What Country we're you born: Again wouldn't this be read digital off your passport when being proccessed? - shouldn't they already know this.
12. Your address in New Zealand: Surely they should already have this on record?


Just a thought, this largely is for statistical purposes I believe.

Just so you know, some people depart on one passport and arrive on another, for example, I know many Brits leave NZ to the UK on their UK passport but will return on their NZ password. When you arrive back customs really have no idea you left. Remember in that case your UK passport isn't linked to your NZ one.

No idea why question 10 is important to anyone.


It's mainly used for Statistical purposes but the other reason is that when you depart the country, Customs computer systems are still behind the times it doesn't communicate to Statistics for the info they need hence the departure card. The system is however clever enough to recognise if you have different passports along as it's under the exact same name/DOB. With regards to the questions,

1- Yes this information is provided by the airline after the flight departs, however, it's a matter of computer systems not playing nicely together and statistics cannot see this directly.
2- This one is a bit unnecessary, but it's mainly there for ease of sorting e.g flight departing late at night/early in the morning to distinguish what day it's from. If you can imagine EK435 which can have upwards of 400 people on it with it departing daily the chances of getting cards muddled from each day. I guess it just confirms which day its from.
3- Same as Q1
4- Same as Q1
7- The system cannot calculate the days itself, in theory, it could though.
11- Immigration would know this for sure, however, this isn't relevant to be stored with Customs or Statistics so they ask for it. The passport scanners will only read the passport issue country but not country born. Again, the downside to using an anceient system.
12- Nope Customs or Statistics will not have this on file unless you have been interacted with by Customs e.g in the search area.

However, the other time the cards are used is when their is a major outage with the Customs systems and enable the data to be inputted later on.

I think NZ needs to scrap the departure cards, however, this cannot be done until Customs upgrade their computer systems to be able to communicate to Statistics with the relevant information. Then comes problems, with people not aware of what information is released to what agency, where the card is pretty clear whats being given.
 
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Sun Sep 03, 2017 4:41 am

Somebody was busy this afternoon! Check out flight NZ6257, using NZE
 
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Somebody was busy this afternoon! Check out flight NZ6257, using NZE

Interesting. I wonder what that was for? A photoshoot? Some sort of Fathers' Day event? An advert for the Green Party (Love New Zealand is their campaign slogan)?

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NZ6 wrote:
zkncj wrote:
http://www.customs.govt.nz/news/resources/documents/nz-passenger-departure-card.pdf

Looking at the current New Zealand Departure card this afternoon - surely they already have 90% of this information digitally?, and its just an matter of departments talking to each other?

1. Flight Number: Don't airlines submit there passengers lists to Customs?
2. Departure Date: Wouldn't customs system record this when you use the SmartGate or have your passport scanned at an counter? Pretty bad if they don't already know this infomation.
3. Nationality on Password: Again wouldn't this be read digital off your passport when being proccessed?
4. Passport Number: same as above
7. Days away from New Zealand: Simple can't there system do the math? e.g. Arrival Date - Departure date = days away without asking.
11. What Country we're you born: Again wouldn't this be read digital off your passport when being proccessed? - shouldn't they already know this.
12. Your address in New Zealand: Surely they should already have this on record?


Just a thought, this largely is for statistical purposes I believe.

Just so you know, some people depart on one passport and arrive on another, for example, I know many Brits leave NZ to the UK on their UK passport but will return on their NZ password. When you arrive back customs really have no idea you left. Remember in that case your UK passport isn't linked to your NZ one.

No idea why question 10 is important to anyone.

The 2 passport thing doesn't really matter. For the most part the NZ customs system works it out which why there is no requirement here to use one passport over the other (unlike many other countries).
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - September 2017

Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:29 am

Hi VirginFlyer, Take a look at this link! re NZ6257
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health ... -birthdays
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - September 2017

Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:33 am

Do you think there is any chance that as HND traffic builds we could see NH at AKL? With NZ t=doing NRT and NH doing KUL and a joint venture type of operation? I had the good fortune of flying NH business from KUL to the US and back a couple of months ago and it was really good. Be nice to see premium service another carrier at AKL
 
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Do you think there is any chance that as HND traffic builds we could see NH at AKL? With NZ t=doing NRT and NH doing KUL and a joint venture type of operation? I had the good fortune of flying NH business from KUL to the US and back a couple of months ago and it was really good. Be nice to see premium service another carrier at AKL

I love NH, it is my #1 airline in the aerorobnz flown carriers version of skytrax airline rankings, but I see more likelihood of JL. They have expanded Australasia and also NH is a high yield carrier which won't do well in such a patchy market as AKL. it might happen with NH but I think they would rather have NZ do the yard work
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So will that be for Samoa Air? A modest increase in trans-tasman flying? Or are we about to go to war with NZ and expand NZ overseas operations?
 
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Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:39 am

zkncj wrote:
http://www.customs.govt.nz/news/resources/documents/nz-passenger-departure-card.pdf

Looking at the current New Zealand Departure card this afternoon - surely they already have 90% of this information digitally?, and its just an matter of departments talking to each other?

Exactly; its a truly pointless excercise (other than keeping the guy/girl who personally takes your card* as you walk thorough immigration employed).

zkeoj wrote:
You realise that you are comparing apples with oranges? The EU is practically one country ("domestic market"), and therefore no border controls are in place when flying within the Schengen area. It is like a "domestic" flight, even if you are flying between countries. You don't need a departure card to get from AKL to CHC either (maybe a visa though, haha).

....maybe NZ/AUS and some other Pacific nations should form a similar arrangement.

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I've no idea if the cards - arrival or departure - help keep us safe, but every day I give thanks that I live in here in NZ, pretty much free of terror attacks, unlike the Schengen countries.

On my last intra-ER flight, my passport was checked no less than seven times, end to end. :roll:

*seriously, that's got to be the most boring job around.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - September 2017

Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:43 am

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VA is recruiting shortly in CHC and AKL - https://www.eventbrite.com.au/e/virgin- ... s270129_01


They've been recruiting for a wee while. Its just an info day for experienced pilots. JQ and QF had one recently as did EK AKL and CHC
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - September 2017

Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:49 am

777ER wrote:
VA is recruiting shortly in CHC and AKL - https://www.eventbrite.com.au/e/virgin- ... s270129_01

That's because they have been short of crews for some time. It might mean growth but I think it is more just buying some operational flexibility.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - September 2017

Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:02 am

NZ321 wrote:
Do you think there is any chance that as HND traffic builds we could see NH at AKL? With NZ t=doing NRT and NH doing KUL and a joint venture type of operation? I had the good fortune of flying NH business from KUL to the US and back a couple of months ago and it was really good. Be nice to see premium service another carrier at AKL

JL maybe but not NH they can code on NZ.
Ideally NZ would prefer to drop NRT and just fly to HND but slots are very hard to come by.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - September 2017

Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:27 am

Zkpilot wrote:
NZ321 wrote:
Do you think there is any chance that as HND traffic builds we could see NH at AKL? With NZ t=doing NRT and NH doing KUL and a joint venture type of operation? I had the good fortune of flying NH business from KUL to the US and back a couple of months ago and it was really good. Be nice to see premium service another carrier at AKL

JL maybe but not NH they can code on NZ.
Ideally NZ would prefer to drop NRT and just fly to HND but slots are very hard to come by.

Did I not read somewhere that NZ was required to maintain NRT services as part of the deal over HND?

And doesn't NZ codeshare with JL (long history) on its Tokyo services, rather than NH? This would suggest that NH is a more likely new entrant to AKL than JL. If, indeed, the market could accommodate a new entrant.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - September 2017

Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:51 am

DavidByrne wrote:
Zkpilot wrote:
NZ321 wrote:
Do you think there is any chance that as HND traffic builds we could see NH at AKL? With NZ t=doing NRT and NH doing KUL and a joint venture type of operation? I had the good fortune of flying NH business from KUL to the US and back a couple of months ago and it was really good. Be nice to see premium service another carrier at AKL

JL maybe but not NH they can code on NZ.
Ideally NZ would prefer to drop NRT and just fly to HND but slots are very hard to come by.

Did I not read somewhere that NZ was required to maintain NRT services as part of the deal over HND?

And doesn't NZ codeshare with JL (long history) on its Tokyo services, rather than NH? This would suggest that NH is a more likely new entrant to AKL than JL. If, indeed, the market could accommodate a new entrant.


Yes, I think it was from the investors call it was mentioned that HND slots were given to NZ provided NRT flights are maintained.

One of Luxon's first few tasks when he joined NZ was switching their codeshare partnership from JL to NH at a time when JL nearly bankrupted and NH overtook JL as the primary airline of Japan. It also made sense as both are in Star Alliance.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - September 2017

Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:55 pm

http://nyc787.blogspot.com has updated the 787 delivery schedule to L/N 769

The two Air NZ 789s for 2018 delivery and the first for Air Tahiti Nui are:
L/N 749 (ZB012 c/n 38182) Everett -- due 10 Sep 2018 -- ZK-NZN? -- owned
L/N 750 (ZB908 c/n 39297) Charleston -- due 18 Sep 2018 -- F-O??? -- leased from ALC
L/N 751 (ZB997 c/n 39296) Everett -- due 13 Sep 2018 -- ZK-NZQ? -- leased from ALC

Both Air NZ 789s one behind the other on the Everett assembly line and delivered three days apart. Air NZ has previously had at least a month between deliveries.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - September 2017

Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:24 am

PA515 wrote:
http://nyc787.blogspot.com has updated the 787 delivery schedule to L/N 769

The two Air NZ 789s for 2018 delivery and the first for Air Tahiti Nui are:
L/N 749 (ZB012 c/n 38182) Everett -- due 10 Sep 2018 -- ZK-NZN? -- owned
L/N 750 (ZB908 c/n 39297) Charleston -- due 18 Sep 2018 -- F-O??? -- leased from ALC
L/N 751 (ZB997 c/n 39296) Everett -- due 13 Sep 2018 -- ZK-NZQ? -- leased from ALC

Both Air NZ 789s one behind the other on the Everett assembly line and delivered three days apart. Air NZ has previously had at least a month between deliveries.

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Is NZQ because NZO is taken, and NZP was a crashed aircraft? I thought NZN was a Charleston aircraft
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - September 2017

Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:57 am

xiaotung wrote:
DavidByrne wrote:
Zkpilot wrote:
JL maybe but not NH they can code on NZ.
Ideally NZ would prefer to drop NRT and just fly to HND but slots are very hard to come by.

Did I not read somewhere that NZ was required to maintain NRT services as part of the deal over HND?

And doesn't NZ codeshare with JL (long history) on its Tokyo services, rather than NH? This would suggest that NH is a more likely new entrant to AKL than JL. If, indeed, the market could accommodate a new entrant.


Yes, I think it was from the investors call it was mentioned that HND slots were given to NZ provided NRT flights are maintained.

One of Luxon's first few tasks when he joined NZ was switching their codeshare partnership from JL to NH at a time when JL nearly bankrupted and NH overtook JL as the primary airline of Japan. It also made sense as both are in Star Alliance.

Yeah I mentioned a couple of months ago that NZ was required to maintain daily NRT plus carry on with KIX in order to get HND slots. Ideally though they would just prefer HND.
Correct, no more JL codeshare it's NH now. NZ still allows certain JL domestic add-ons to their tickets.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - September 2017

Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:39 am

LamboAston wrote:
NZQ because NZO is taken, and NZP was a crashed aircraft? I thought NZN was a Charleston aircraft

Applying the same logic as NZA (taken) and NZB (written off). Just the 2017 789s ZK-NZL and NZM are Charleston aircraft.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - September 2017

Thu Sep 07, 2017 3:32 am

Surely a bit of a dig by Air NZ, but a funny video none the less.

https://youtu.be/Q-3e4Lgf4ts
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - September 2017

Thu Sep 07, 2017 6:41 am

MH adjusts schedule for AKL from mid Jan 18

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... e-changes/
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - September 2017

Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:14 am

ZK-MVQ on delivery as SXI1737. Presently over southern Serbia and about to enter Bulgaria.
This time routing TLS - TZX - AAN instead of the usual TLS - HBE - AAN.
http://flightradar24.com/SXI1737/ec4a4f8

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