777Mech wrote:

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

Delta this weekend uploaded the new routes as well as made a number of equipment changes for Summer 2018. Although the deployment changes are reflected below, please take these with a grain of salt. DL is still fine tuning things and there will be definite changes (such as the JFK-LHR flights and JFK-LAX/SFO flights). Nonetheless some interesting info:

B744 [C48W42Y286]
2017 - 7 frames (5/7 required)
2018 - 0 frames (all retired)
(-) DTW-ICN/NRT/PVG, HNL-NRT

A359 [C32W48Y226]
2017 - 0 frames
2018 - 8* frames (7/8 required)
(+) ATL-ICN, DTW-ICN/NRT/PEK
* The actual number of A359s in service should be around 11 by mid-Summer depending on delivery & induction schedules which will likely result in additional flights migrating to A359 (most probably from 77L routes below).

A333 [C34W32Y227] (incl. 10x HGW version but schedule not segregated)
2017 - 31 frames (30/31 required)
2018 - 31 frames (29/31 required)
(-) ATL-AMS (3x), BOS-AMS (1x), DTW-CDG, HNL-KIX/NGO, JFK-LAX, MSP-HNL, SEA-CDG
(+) ATL-BCN/LHR (1x), DTW-AMS (2x), JFK-BCN/CDG/TLV

B772LR [C37W38Y218]
2017 - 10 frames (9/10 required)
2018 - 10 frames (12/10 required)*
(-) ATL-ICN/LAX
(+) ATL-AMS/PVG, DTW-PVG, LAX-AMS/CDG
* Current schedule doesn't add up for 77L fleet. Most likely pending route re-allocation to A359 and/or other types. I'm anticipating ATL-NRT to transfer to A359 by the time ATL-PVG re-starts in July but i could be wrong; nonetheless, by then, there should be plenty of A359s on property.

B772ER [C37W36Y218]
2017 - 8 frames (8/8 required)
2018 - 8 frames (7/8 required)
(-) JFK-BCN/CDG/TLV
(+) SEA-CDG/HKG

B764 [C40W28Y178]
2017 - 21 frames (20/21 required)
2018 - 21 frames (20/21 required)
(-) ATL-BCN/FRA/STR/ZRH, JFK-FRA
(+) JFK-CPH/LAX(3x)/SFO*
* Planned re-introduction of 764 domestic coast-to-coast service. These could well end up going back to 763 service but for now, DL is anticipating putting its 764 service coast-to-coast.

11x A332 [C34W32Y168]
2017 - 11 frames (11/11 needed)
2018 - 11 frames (11/11 needed)
(-) DTW-AMS(2x)/FRA/PEK, SEA-HKG, SLC-AMS
(+) ATL-AMS(2x)/LHR/LOS, DTW-LHR, JFK-LOS/ZRH

B763ER High-J Configuration [C36W32Y143] including 7x with crew rest [C36W29Y143]
2017 - 36 frames (35/36 required)
2018 - XX frames (27/XX required)*
(-) ATL-BRU/LHR(3x)/LOS, DTW-LHR(1x), JFK-SFO(1x)/ZRH, MCO-GRU, NRT-PDX/PVG, RDU-CDG
(+) ATL-FRA/STR, DTW-CDG/FRA, JFK-FRA**
* It is rumoured that Delta will be modifying a number of 763ER High-J to 763ER Low-J during the slow winter season. This is to reflect demand as well as counter balance the retirement of certain (2x at the latest count) 763ER Low-J scheduled during Winter 2017-18.
** looks like FRA is migrating exclusively to 763ER.

B763ER Low-J Configuration [C26W29Y171]
2017 - 22 frames (22/22 required)
2018 - XX frames (29/XX required)*
(-) HNL-SEA, JFK-AGP/CPH/DKR/LAX(2x)/SFO(2x)/SNN/SVO
(+) ATL-BRU/LIS/ZRH, BOS-AMS, DTW-CDG, HNL-KIX/NGO/NRT, IND-CDG, MCO-AMS/GRU, MSP-HNL, NRT-PDX, PIT-CDG, RDU-CDG, SLC-AMS
* Obviously there remains some cleaning up to do in the 763ER schedules. The High-J/Low-J don't add individually and they barely do when added together and removing the 2 scheduled retiring frames.

B763 Domestic Configuration [C30W28Y203]
2017 - 3 frames (3/3 required)
2018 - 0 frames (retired)
(-) ATL-ANC/SAN/SLC-HNL/SFO

I had a bit of time and compared what was put together vs current schedule. Actually schedule is holding tightly together to my surprise.

These are the changes made since then:
ATL-AMS: 2x 332 replaced by 2x 333
ATL-EZE: 764 replaced by 333
ATL-GIG: 333 replaced by 764
ATL-SCL: 763HJ replaced by 763LJ
EWR-AMS: removed from scheduled (was 763LJ)
JFK-LHR: 2x 763HJ replaced by 2x 332

So basically, after netting things out, the schedule is seeing:
2x additional daily 333s
0.5x additional 763LJ
3.5x less 763HJ

This results in a fully committed schedule for the 333, High J 763s go to a 24 frame requirement and Low J 763s go to 30 frame requirement. Thus the schedule is taking shape. For things to work out, one expects one route to transfer from 77L to 359 in July and for 13-14 763ER-high J frames to be converted to low J frames.

Fwiw there should be 14 76L frames that that will get the Z mod by the end of 2018. With 10 done by the start of the summer schedule. I'm not sure how many 76Ls are in the fleet currently.

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

amadorE175 wrote:

I didn't see JFK-ACC on the list of aircraft usage above. Based on the list it looks like the 767 fleet is stretched as is. Does JFK-ACC stay 767?

JFK-ACC stays 763-low J next summer. It wasn't listed because there is no change to aircraft usage.

Narfish641 wrote:

N662US is at COS. Might be retired.

FSDan wrote:

There really don't need to be any domestic repositioning flights (which as an avgeek is kind of too bad). .

Midwestindy wrote:

FSDan wrote:

There really don't need to be any domestic repositioning flights (which as an avgeek is kind of too bad). .

Correct me if I am wrong, but there will have to be some domestic repositioning on the IND-CDG flight because there is no CDG-IND leg on May 24th only a IND-CDG leg...

Narfish641 wrote:

N662US is at COS. Might be retired.

777Mech wrote:

Narfish641 wrote:

N662US is at COS. Might be retired.

6302 is done for. Seats are needed from that ship to perform the 76L to Z mod that's coming up.

777Mech wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

FSDan wrote:

There really don't need to be any domestic repositioning flights (which as an avgeek is kind of too bad). .

Correct me if I am wrong, but there will have to be some domestic repositioning on the IND-CDG flight because there is no CDG-IND leg on May 24th only a IND-CDG leg...

There will be a positioning ferry that usually occurs before the inaugural but after that, the aircraft will do a scissor routing from CDG like the RDU flight does.

Midwestindy wrote:

777Mech wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

Correct me if I am wrong, but there will have to be some domestic repositioning on the IND-CDG flight because there is no CDG-IND leg on May 24th only a IND-CDG leg...

There will be a positioning ferry that usually occurs before the inaugural but after that, the aircraft will do a scissor routing from CDG like the RDU flight does.

Yeah that is what I meant

AA737-823 wrote:

777Mech wrote:

Narfish641 wrote:

N662US is at COS. Might be retired.

6302 is done for. Seats are needed from that ship to perform the 76L to Z mod that's coming up.

They're taking seats from a 747 and putting them in a 767?
Didn't realize the seat tracks lined up.
Someone else said it was a military charter...

Narfish641 wrote:

Quick question, does anyone know the current Domestic Widebody routes that take place other than SEA and SAN?

gsg013 wrote:

I just booked onto DL 1878 EWR-ATL on Saturday October 28th It is a 767-300ER Low J configured plane.

Not 100% why but I think I remember either EWR-CDG or to AMS going to 6 weekly instead of daily possibly to rotate the plane back to ATL after it returns from Europe.

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

+ unscheduled upgrade on ATL-SJU route (764 replaces 739); hurricane Maria relief

cokepopper wrote:

gsg013 wrote:

I just booked onto DL 1878 EWR-ATL on Saturday October 28th It is a 767-300ER Low J configured plane.

Not 100% why but I think I remember either EWR-CDG or to AMS going to 6 weekly instead of daily possibly to rotate the plane back to ATL after it returns from Europe.

I believe It is swapping out the CDG- EWR flight (going from the 76Z to the 75S)

Sightseer wrote:

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

+ unscheduled upgrade on ATL-SJU route (764 replaces 739); hurricane Maria relief

This has been quite frequent for something unscheduled. Any idea how long the 764 service will continue?

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

+ unscheduled upgrade on BOS-SFO route (763ER-low J replaces 752)

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

Aircraft change effective 10/20:
+ unscheduled additional JFK-LHR flight (operated by 763ER-high J); temporary replacement for a VS rotation
+ unscheduled upgrade on BOS-SFO route (763ER-low J replaces 752)
+ unscheduled upgrade on SEA-DTW route (332 replaces 752)
+ unscheduled upgrade on DTW-AMS route (333 replaces 332)
+ unscheduled ATL-BOS ferry flight (operated by 763ER-low J); aircraft repositioning
<> unscheduled aircraft swap on JFK-SFO route (763ER-high J replaces 763ER-low J)

Seasonal adjustments:
- MCO-GRU decreases from 6x weekly to 5x weekly effective 10/20 (operated by 764)

Other:
+ SEA-EWR NFL charter carrying the Seahawks to the Meadowlands (operated by 764)
+ ATL-SVN-SSC-HHN-XJD-KWI military charter (operated by 772)

LAX772LR wrote:

Oh, and that "Airbus C-Series" that they just bought too.

scbriml wrote:

LAX772LR wrote:

Oh, and that "Airbus C-Series" that they just bought too.

What do they say about many a true word spoken in jest?

jubguy3 wrote:

I have a question about ATL-SLC-HNL. Isn't the 763 fleet close to the end of retirement? What aircraft will serve that flight after it is retired?

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

jubguy3 wrote:

I have a question about ATL-SLC-HNL. Isn't the 763 fleet close to the end of retirement? What aircraft will serve that flight after it is retired?

ATL-SLC-HNL is transferring to the 333 effective 10/28

jubguy3 wrote:

I have one more question... do you know what a/c delta uses for SLC-Europe? AMS, CDG, LHR. I know KLM uses the 789 and Delta uses some combination of 767 and A330 and I figured that you have access to the data? Thanks!

ADM94 wrote:

jubguy3 wrote:

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

ATL-SLC-HNL is transferring to the 333 effective 10/28

Oh that's exciting. I love seeing the 333 in SLC, especially considering the capacity it will bring (more seats than delta's 777).

I have one more question... do you know what a/c delta uses for SLC-Europe? AMS, CDG, LHR. I know KLM uses the 789 and Delta uses some combination of 767 and A330 and I figured that you have access to the data? Thanks!

Delta is back to only 767-300ERs to Europe from SLC now. The AMS flight was on a 332 for the spring/summer, but is back to the 763 (76Z low-J config) for the fall/winter. CDG is also on a low-J 763, and LHR uses a high-J 763. Not sure how much longer the KLM flight will be going, but I know it's seasonal.

jubguy3 wrote:

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

jubguy3 wrote:

I have a question about ATL-SLC-HNL. Isn't the 763 fleet close to the end of retirement? What aircraft will serve that flight after it is retired?

ATL-SLC-HNL is transferring to the 333 effective 10/28

Oh that's exciting. I love seeing the 333 in SLC, especially considering the capacity it will bring (more seats than delta's 777).

I have one more question... do you know what a/c delta uses for SLC-Europe? AMS, CDG, LHR. I know KLM uses the 789 and Delta uses some combination of 767 and A330 and I figured that you have access to the data? Thanks!

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

jubguy3 wrote:

I have one more question... do you know what a/c delta uses for SLC-Europe? AMS, CDG, LHR. I know KLM uses the 789 and Delta uses some combination of 767 and A330 and I figured that you have access to the data? Thanks!

SLC-LHR: 763ER-High J
SLC-CDG: 763ER-Low J
SLC-AMS: 763ER-Low J (was 332 last summer 2017 but scheduled to remain 763 summer 2018)

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

jubguy3 wrote:

I have a question about ATL-SLC-HNL. Isn't the 763 fleet close to the end of retirement? What aircraft will serve that flight after it is retired?

ATL-SLC-HNL is transferring to the 333 effective 10/28

FSDan wrote:

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

jubguy3 wrote:

I have a question about ATL-SLC-HNL. Isn't the 763 fleet close to the end of retirement? What aircraft will serve that flight after it is retired?

ATL-SLC-HNL is transferring to the 333 effective 10/28

Interestingly, it's showing as a domestic 767-300 for next summer (before this week it was loaded as a 757). Are there any rumors of a 763 or two being converted to domestic configuration, or that the retirement dates of the 76As have been deferred? It seems weird that they'd move back to a 767 on this route after having had it loaded as a 757.

FSDan wrote:

Are there any rumors of a 763 or two being converted to domestic configuration, or that the retirement dates of the 76As have been deferred? It seems weird that they'd move back to a 767 on this route after having had it loaded as a 757.

Narfish641 wrote:

FSDan wrote:

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

ATL-SLC-HNL is transferring to the 333 effective 10/28

Interestingly, it's showing as a domestic 767-300 for next summer (before this week it was loaded as a 757). Are there any rumors of a 763 or two being converted to domestic configuration, or that the retirement dates of the 76As have been deferred? It seems weird that they'd move back to a 767 on this route after having had it loaded as a 757.

If you checked Deltas website, and didn't check the seating chart, it could be the ER variant.

FSDan wrote:

I did check the seatmap, fully expecting it to be a 76Z since there are plenty of 76Zs rotating through HNL. However, it's currently showing 30 F seats in a 2-2-2 configuration.