gsg013 wrote:

Do you guys actually think DL will actually buy some new 767's from boeing? I wonder what the pricing would be like.

No, many of their 767's have 10 to 15 more years left in them, and the MOM will probably be available by then if Delta is interested.

gsg013 wrote:

Do you guys actually think DL will actually buy some new 767's from boeing? I wonder what the pricing would be like.

I don't think that's going to happen. That being said, 7-10 years from now DL will need a fleet of ~30 airframes that have less seats than the 333 with a low J cabin to cover thin and leisure routes. 797 anyone?

Aircraft change effective 10/24:
+ unscheduled additional JFK-LHR flight (operated by 763ER-high J); temporary replacement for a VS rotation
+ unscheduled NRT-GUM rotation (operated by 763ER-high J)
+ unscheduled upgrade on JFK-ATL route (763ER-low J replaces 752)
+ unscheduled ATL-MSP ferry flight (operated by 77L); rescue flight
<> unscheduled aircraft swap on MSP-CDG route (77L replaces 772)
<> unscheduled aircraft swap on LAX-HND route (77L replaces 772)

Seasonal adjustments:
- JFK-NCE decreases from 7x weekly to 4x weekly effective 10/24 (operated by 764)

Other:
+ N173DZ (763ER-high J) exited maintenance in CAN (43 days)

Narfish641 wrote:

FSDan wrote:

I did check the seatmap, fully expecting it to be a 76Z since there are plenty of 76Zs rotating through HNL. However, it's currently showing 30 F seats in a 2-2-2 configuration.

That's really strange. Could be a minor glitch?
By the way, does anyone know if they will be converting the current 767s that are stored to a freighter, or to just scrap them? Some of those frames still have a bit of life in them, it could be possible?

The 767s will only retire when they reach the next heavy check. A lot of them are getting up there in hours as well, so I believe I'd be cost prohibitve to convert DL's 767s.

Whatever life is in those 767s, Delta will get it all.

777Mech wrote:

Narfish641 wrote:

FSDan wrote:

I did check the seatmap, fully expecting it to be a 76Z since there are plenty of 76Zs rotating through HNL. However, it's currently showing 30 F seats in a 2-2-2 configuration.

That's really strange. Could be a minor glitch?
By the way, does anyone know if they will be converting the current 767s that are stored to a freighter, or to just scrap them? Some of those frames still have a bit of life in them, it could be possible?

The 767s will only retire when they reach the next heavy check. A lot of them are getting up there in hours as well, so I believe I'd be cost prohibitve to convert DL's 767s.

Whatever life is in those 767s, Delta will get it all.

While DL does have many high-hour 763ERs, the non-ER frames getting retired only have 60,000 hours and 20,000 cycles on them so are relatively youthful. I don't know why they aren't getting converted (too low MTOW as non-ERs?) but apparently they are more needed as parts.

These are the 14 youngest planes, any chance these are the ones. The N1**DN's are getting up there in age, and although they have PW engines, I doubt DL will choose to save the 27yr old birds, rather than the 17yr old GE birds.
N1601
N1602
N1603
N1604R
N1605
N16065
N171DZ
N172DZ
N173DZ
N174DZ
N175DZ
N176DZ
N177DZ
N178DZ

Just a reminder probably one of the rarer domestic widebody rotations DL will fly is Saturday Night DL 1878 EWR-ATL on 767-300ER Low-J. (26J, 29W,171Y)

I will be hopping on that flight on my way home from New York.

jspams20 wrote:

These are the 14 youngest planes, any chance these are the ones?

I think so. I believe you will the following happen:
> N169-78DZ + N1602-065 (14 frames) converted from 76L to 76Z in 2018-19
> N1501P-56DL + N171-86DN + N394DL + N1200K-01P (15x 76L + 9x 76Z) retired in 2018-21 (to be replaced by 339)
Leaving us with the following post first batch of 339 deliveries:
> N1607B-13B (7x 76T) - High J
> N169-78DZ + N1602-065 + N187-199DN (27x 76Z) - Low J

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

> N1501P-56DL + N171-86DN + N394DL + N1200K-01P (15x 76L + 9x 76Z) retired in 2018-21 (to be replaced by 339)

If this is the right schedule, you might see a few of the early birds exceed 130,000 hours at retirement. That's pretty amazing; I don't think any other widebody frame except 747s has accumulated that many hours. (A few ex-NW DC-10s were close, but not quite that high.) Delta certainly got their money's worth out of the first 767-300ER order.

Makes conversion of lowish-cycle ~90,000 hour aircraft into freighters look like a good idea.

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

jspams20 wrote:

These are the 14 youngest planes, any chance these are the ones?

I think so. I believe you will the following happen:
> N169-78DZ + N1602-065 (14 frames) converted from 76L to 76Z in 2018-19
> N1501P-56DL + N171-86DN + N394DL + N1200K-01P (15x 76L + 9x 76Z) retired in 2018-21 (to be replaced by 339)
Leaving us with the following post first batch of 339 deliveries:
> N1607B-13B (7x 76T) - High J
> N169-78DZ + N1602-065 + N187-199DN (27x 76Z) - Low J

1501 is leaving the fleet next week, and 1503 early next year. The others ones I know of that are scheduled to retire within the next year is 182 and 183.

Aircraft change effective 10/25:
+ unscheduled additional JFK-LHR flight (operated by 763ER-high J); temporary replacement for a VS rotation
+ unscheduled upgrade on ATL-FLL route (763ER-low J replaces 752)
+ unscheduled SEA-LAX ferry flight (operated by 332)
+ unscheduled MSP-ATL ferry flight (operated by 77L)
+ unscheduled DTW-JFK ferry flight (operated by 333)
<> unscheduled aircraft swap on JFK-AMS route (763ER-high J replaces 763ER-low J)
- unscheduled downgrade on LAX-JFK route (332 replaces 333)

Other:
+ TLH-BOS NCAA Football charter bringing Florida State to Boston to play Boston College on Friday night (operated by 764)

777Mech wrote:

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

jspams20 wrote:

These are the 14 youngest planes, any chance these are the ones?

I think so. I believe you will the following happen:
> N169-78DZ + N1602-065 (14 frames) converted from 76L to 76Z in 2018-19
> N1501P-56DL + N171-86DN + N394DL + N1200K-01P (15x 76L + 9x 76Z) retired in 2018-21 (to be replaced by 339)
Leaving us with the following post first batch of 339 deliveries:
> N1607B-13B (7x 76T) - High J
> N169-78DZ + N1602-065 + N187-199DN (27x 76Z) - Low J

1501 is leaving the fleet next week, and 1503 early next year. The others ones I know of that are scheduled to retire within the next year is 182 and 183.

I flew on N182DN three years ago, JFK-FRA. It was a replacement aircraft for N178DN which went tech (they couldn't close a fuel line properly according to the captain). 182 arrived as a regular flight from MSP which I guess was also a repositioning flight after some maintenance. The crew still had enough hours to complete the 7-hour flight so it was wheels up shortly after 23:00. We arrived at the gate in FRA a little more than two and a half hours late.

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

+ unscheduled SEA-LAX ferry flight (operated by 332)
+ unscheduled MSP-ATL ferry flight (operated by 77L)
+ unscheduled DTW-JFK ferry flight (operated by 333)

I have a quick (and probably dumb) question : a ferry flight is a flight without passengers. So, why not taking the advantage of making a revenue flight ?

nicode wrote:

I have a quick (and probably dumb) question : a ferry flight is a flight without passengers. So, why not taking the advantage of making a revenue flight ?

These are generally last minute one-way flights. Mostly to rescue a stranded airplane at the other end. Putting together full sets of crews, catering, cargo etc... in that time frame simply doesn't work. Hence the "unscheduled" nature of things. There are, however, some scheduled ferry flights which do carry passengers. We'll see a few of those this weekend as schedule rolls over to winter flying. ATL-SEA, EWR-ATL, LAX-ATL and JFK-ATL are all scheduled passenger ferry flights this weekend. Long-term planned aircraft repositioning.

Aircraft change effective 10/26:
+ scheduled upgrade on SEA-PEK route (332 replaces 763ER-high J)
+ unscheduled additional JFK-LHR flight (operated by 763ER-high J); temporary replacement for a VS rotation
+ unscheduled upgrade on ATL-RDU route (763ER-high J replaces 752)
+ unscheduled upgrade on ATL-DTW route (763ER-low J replaces 739)
+ unscheduled upgrade on DTW-SEA route (332 replaces 739)
+ unscheduled upgrade on SEA-DTW route (333 replaces 739)
+ unscheduled upgrade on MSP-ATL-MSP route (333 replaces 753)
+ unscheduled JFK-DTW ferry flight (operated by 332)
+ unscheduled LAX-SEA ferry flight (operated by 333)
<> unscheduled aircraft swap on AMS-SLC-AMS route (763ER-high J replaces 763ER-low J)
<> unscheduled aircraft swap on JFK-SEA-NRT route (763ER-low J replaces 763ER-high J)
- scheduled downgrade on SEA-AMS route (763ER-high J replaces 332)

Seasonal adjustments:
+ 1/3x daily DTW-AMS routes flown by 332 is upgraded to 333 effective 10/26 (2x 332 + 2x 333)

777Mech wrote:

NateGreat wrote:

777Mech wrote:

FWIW the 777s will get the new D1 cabin starting in February 2018, and the first frame will not emerge until late May. The entire fleet should be done by the end of 2018. I'll have to check and see when the 764s will start getting the midlife.

What do you mean by "midlife?"

DL is calling the retrofit the "midlife" mods.

What’s in store for the “midlife?” Will the 767-300ER, A330-200, and A330-300 be getting that too?

NateGreat wrote:

777Mech wrote:

NateGreat wrote:

What do you mean by "midlife?"

DL is calling the retrofit the "midlife" mods.

What’s in store for the “midlife?” Will the 767-300ER, A330-200, and A330-300 be getting that too?

The midlife entails a heavy check and all new/updated interiors.

As for the Airbus, they haven't been scheduled yet as they do have newer interiors versus the 777 and 764, so I'm going to venture to say they'll get the D1 cabin after 2020.

The 763s on the other hand, I don't see them retrofitting them as they should start leaving the fleet next year and it wouldn't be cost effective to refit them.

Also on a side note, 1401 and 1402 have gotten a reprieve from retirement until after the summer schedule 2018. I'm going to assume that they'll stick to the ATL-SLC-HNL route until retirement.

There was news about DL70 (A333) ATL-AMS diverting to Goose Bay for engine vibrations.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/delta-flight-atlanta-makes-emergency-landing-newfoundland-engine/story?id=50755148

777Mech wrote:

Also on a side note, 1401 and 1402 have gotten a reprieve from retirement until after the summer schedule 2018. I'm going to assume that they'll stick to the ATL-SLC-HNL route until retirement.

Ah, that explains the switch of SLC-HNL back to a domestic 767 (re-loaded last weekend)!

777Mech wrote:

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

jspams20 wrote:

These are the 14 youngest planes, any chance these are the ones?

I think so. I believe you will the following happen:
> N169-78DZ + N1602-065 (14 frames) converted from 76L to 76Z in 2018-19
> N1501P-56DL + N171-86DN + N394DL + N1200K-01P (15x 76L + 9x 76Z) retired in 2018-21 (to be replaced by 339)
Leaving us with the following post first batch of 339 deliveries:
> N1607B-13B (7x 76T) - High J
> N169-78DZ + N1602-065 + N187-199DN (27x 76Z) - Low J

1501 is leaving the fleet next week, and 1503 early next year. The others ones I know of that are scheduled to retire within the next year is 182 and 183.

Do you know if 182 and 183 are sticking around through next summer?

FSDan wrote:

777Mech wrote:

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

I think so. I believe you will the following happen:
> N169-78DZ + N1602-065 (14 frames) converted from 76L to 76Z in 2018-19
> N1501P-56DL + N171-86DN + N394DL + N1200K-01P (15x 76L + 9x 76Z) retired in 2018-21 (to be replaced by 339)
Leaving us with the following post first batch of 339 deliveries:
> N1607B-13B (7x 76T) - High J
> N169-78DZ + N1602-065 + N187-199DN (27x 76Z) - Low J

1501 is leaving the fleet next week, and 1503 early next year. The others ones I know of that are scheduled to retire within the next year is 182 and 183.

Do you know if 182 and 183 are sticking around through next summer?

It looks as though 183 and 184 were swapped out actually, but both of them should stay past the summer.

Aircraft change effective 10/27:
+ unscheduled additional JFK-LHR flight (operated by 763ER-high J); temporary replacement for a VS rotation
+ unscheduled upgrade on ATL-DTW route (77L replaces 739)
+ unscheduled SLC-LHR ferry flight (operated by 763ER-low J)
<> unscheduled aircraft swap on JFK-LAX route (763ER-high J replaces 763ER-low J)
<> unscheduled aircraft swap on AMS-EWR-CDG route (763ER-high J replaces 763ER-low J)
<> unscheduled aircraft swap on JFK-SEA-NRT route (763ER-low J replaces 763ER-high J)
<> unscheduled aircraft swap on JFK-AMS route (772 replaces 333)
- scheduled downgrade on 2x DTW-AMS route (763ER-high J replaces 332)

Seasonal Adjustments:
<> 7x weekly NRT-SIN route switches from 763ER-high J to 763ER-low J effective 10/27
<> 7x weekly JFK-TLV route switches from 772 to 333 effective 10/27

Other:
+ N190DN (763ER-low J) exited AMA for painting (13 days)
+ LGB-PVD NFL charter bringing the Chargers to New England (operated by 764)
+ ATL-YYR-AMS rescue flight (operated by 77L); rescuing stranded passengers due to 333 engine problem day before

Aircraft change effective 10/28:
+ unscheduled additional JFK-LHR flight (operated by 763ER-high J); temporary replacement for a VS rotation
+ unscheduled additional BOS-ATL flight (operated by 333)
+ scheduled upgrade on EWR-ATL flight (763ER-low J replaces MD88)
+ scheduled upgrade on JFK-ATL route (772 replaces 752)
+ scheduled upgrade on LAX-ATL route (772 replaces 752)
+ unscheduled upgrade on ATL-DTW-ATL route (763ER-high J replaces 753/MD88)
+ unscheduled upgrade on SEA-NRT route (333 replaces 763ER-high J)
+ unscheduled upgrade on JFK-ATL (333 replaces 319)
+ unscheduled EWR-JFK ferry flight (operated by 763ER-low J)
<> scheduled aircraft swap on ATL-LAX route (333 replaces 77L)
<> unscheduled aircraft swap on ATL-NRT route (772 replaces 77L)

Seasonal adjustments:
+ Seasonal MSP-HNL flight resumed; 4x weekly operated by 333 effective 10/28 (772 exceptionally on 10/28)
+ Daily ATL-SLC-HNL flight upgraded from 763 to 333 effective 10/28
+ Daily JFK-SFO flight upgraded from 763ER-low J to 764 effective 10/28
+ Daily ATL-EZE flight upgraded from 764 to 333 effective 10/28
+ 4x weekly ATL-LOS flight upgraded from 763ER-high J to 332 effective 10/28
<> Daily CVG-CDG flight changes from 763ER-low J to 763ER-high J effective 10/28
<> Daily NRT-PVG flight changes from 763ER-high J to 763ER-low J effective 10/28
<> Daily JFK-BRU flight changes from 763ER-high J to 763ER-low J effective 10/28
<> Daily JFK-CDG flight changes from 772 to 333 effective 10/28
<> Daily MSP-CDG flight changes from 772 to 333 effective 10/28
<> Daily LAX-HND flight changes from 772 to 333 effective 10.28
- Daily ATL-FRA flight downgraded from 764 to 763ER-high J effective 10/28
- Daily JFK-FRA flight downgraded from 764 to 763ER-high J effective 10/28
- Daily DTW-FRA flight downgraded from 332 to 763ER-high J effective 10/28
- Daily JFK-MAD flight downgraded from 764 to 763ER-low J effective 10/28
- Daily PDX-AMS flight downgraded from 333 to 763ER-low J effective 10/28
- Daily ATL-CDG flight downgraded from 333 to 332 effective 10/28 (operated by 77L on 10/28 exceptionally)
- Daily DTW-CDG flight downgraded from 333 to 332 effective 10/28
- Daily SEA-CDG flight downgraded from 333 to 332 effective 10/28
- Daily JFK-FCO flight downgraded from 333 to 764 effective 10/28
- Daily ATL-GIG flight downgraded from 333 to 764 effective 10/28
- Daily ATL-FCO flight downgraded from 333 to 764 effective 10/28
- Daily DTW-PVG flight downgraded from 744 to 77L effective 10.28
- 6x weekly ATL-DUS flight downgraded from 764 to 763ER-high J effective 10/28
- JFK-AMS decreases from 14x weekly to 11x weekly effective 10/27 (also now 2x 763ER-low J vs. 1x 763ER-low & 1x 333)
- ATL-LHR decreases from 20x weekly to 17x weekly effective 10/28 (operated by 763ER-high J)
- SLC-CDG decreases from 7x weekly to 5x weekly effective 10/28 (operated by 763ER-low J)
- EWR-AMS decreases from 6x weekly to 4x weekly effective 10/28 (operated by 763ER-low J)
- SEA-AMS decreases from 13x weekly to 7x weekly effective 10/28 (1x 332 cxl, 1x 333 remains)
- DTW-AMS decreases from 26x weekly to 21x weekly effective 10/28 (332 service cxl, all 333 now)
- ATL-AMS decreases from 21x weekly to 14x weekly effective 10/28 (1x 333 & 1x 772)
- BOS-AMS decreases from 14x weekly to 7x weekly effective 10/28 (operated by 333)
- MSP-AMS decreases from 21x weekly to 7x weekly effective 10/28 (operated by 333)
- Seasonal DTW-MUC flight cancelled effective 10/28 (operated by 763ER-high J)
- Seasonal SLC-LHR flight cancelled effective 10/28 (was operated by 763ER-low J)
- Season EWR-CDG flight cancelled effective 10/27 (was operated by 763ER-low J)
- Seasonal JFK-PRG flight cancelled effective 10/28 (was operated by 764)
- Seasonal JFK-VCE flight cancelled effective 10.28 (was operated by 764)
- Season JFK-ATH flight cancelled effective 10/28 (was operated by 764)
- Seasonal ATL-DUB flight cancelled effective 10/28 (was operated by 333)
- Seasonal ATL-BCN flight cancelled effective 10/28 (was operated by 333)
- Seasonal DTW-FCO flight cancelled effective 10/28 (was operated by 333)

[quote="hkcanadaexpat"]Aircraft change effective 10/28:

- MSP-AMS decreases from 21x weekly to 7x weekly effective 10/28 (operated by 333)

Perhaps Typo:

- MSP-AMS decreases from 21x weekly to 14x weekly effective 10/28 (operated by A333 & B772)

- 16:09 MSP - 06:25 AMS Flight DL160 A333 daily
- 20:44 MSP - 10:50 AMS Flight DL162 B772 daily
- 22:30 MSP - 12:15 AMS Flight KL656 B789 Tue, Fri, Sun

In addition KLM maintains its 3x weekly service which changes from A332 to B789.

factsonly wrote:

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

Aircraft change effective 10/28:
- MSP-AMS decreases from 21x weekly to 7x weekly effective 10/28 (operated by 333)
Perhaps Typo:
- MSP-AMS decreases from 21x weekly to 14x weekly effective 10/28 (operated by A333 & B772)

Correct. Apologies

Aircraft change effective 10/29:
+ unscheduled additional JFK-LHR flight (operated by 763ER-high J); temporary replacement for a VS rotation
+ scheduled upgrade on ATL-SEA route (763ER-high J replaces 752)
+ unscheduled upgrade on ATL-SLC route (763 replaces 752)
+ unscheduled upgrade on 2x SLC-ATL route (763ER-high J replaces 321/752)
+ unscheduled upgrade on PVG-NRT route (332 replaces 763ER-low J)
+ unscheduled upgrade on JFK-LAX route (764 replaces 763ER-low J)
+ unscheduled upgrade on NRT-PVG route (333 replaces 763ER-low J)
<> unscheduled aircraft swap on NRT-SEA-NRT route (763ER-low J replaces 763ER-high J)
<> unscheduled aircraft swap on JFK-ZRH route (763ER-low J replaces 763ER-high J)
<> scheduled aircraft swap on HNL-SLC-ATL route (772 replaces 333)

Seasonal adjustments:
+ Daily JFK-SFO flight upgraded from 763ER-low J to 764 effective 10/29 (now 2x daily 764)
+ Double Daily JFK-LAX flights upgraded from 763ER-low to 764 effective 10/29
+ Daily ATL-LAX flight upgraded from narrowbody (mix) to 333 effective 10/29
<> SLC-CDG changes from 763ER-low J to 763ER-high J effective 10/29
<> JFK-ACC changes from 763ER-high J to 763ER-low J effective 10/29
<> ATL-ICN changes from 77L to 772 effective 10/29
- Daily JFK-SFO flight downgraded from 763ER-low J to 752 effective 10/29
- Daily JFK-LAX flight cancelled (was operated by 333) effective 10/29
- BOS-CDG decreases from 7x weekly to 5x weekly effective 10/29 (operated by 763ER-high J)
- ATL-BRU decreases from 5x weekly to 4x weekly effective 10/29 (operated by 763ER-high J)

Other:
+ N859NW (332) exited PVG maintenance (40 days)
+ GRK-BGR-NUE-HHN military charter (operated by 333)
+ BIF-BGR-NUE-KWI military charter (operated by 333)

jspams20 wrote:

These are the 14 youngest planes, any chance these are the ones. The N1**DN's are getting up there in age, and although they have PW engines, I doubt DL will choose to save the 27yr old birds, rather than the 17yr old GE birds.
N1601
N1602
N1603
N1604R
N1605
N16065
N171DZ
N172DZ
N173DZ
N174DZ
N175DZ
N176DZ
N177DZ
N178DZ

There is no N1601, and also should N169DZ be included on this list instead?

Keith2004 wrote:

DTW-AMS DL132/133 Was upgraded to A350

Will be upgraded to the A350 effective 03/31/2018.

audidudi wrote:

jspams20 wrote:

These are the 14 youngest planes, any chance these are the ones. The N1**DN's are getting up there in age, and although they have PW engines, I doubt DL will choose to save the 27yr old birds, rather than the 17yr old GE birds.
N1601
N1602
N1603
N1604R
N1605
N16065
N171DZ
N172DZ
N173DZ
N174DZ
N175DZ
N176DZ
N177DZ
N178DZ

There is no N1601, and also should N169DZ be included on this list instead?

my apologies. Yes.

777Mech wrote:

Also on a side note, 1401 and 1402 have gotten a reprieve from retirement until after the summer schedule 2018. I'm going to assume that they'll stick to the ATL-SLC-HNL route until retirement.

Any additional info as to why their keeping these two girls? They have already retired 1403 & 1404...

The b777-200 left Amsterdam to Detroit on dl9923 and onwards to atlanta. N706DN.
Was this an empty flight as well?

Aircraft change effective 10/30:
+ unscheduled upgrade on ATL-SLC-ATL route (763 replaces 752)
+ unscheduled upgrade on ATL-JFK route (763ER-low J replaces 752)
+ unscheduled upgrade on NRT-SEA route (332 replaces 763ER-high J)
+ unscheduled upgrade on DTW-CDG route (333 replaces 332)
- unscheduled downgrade on ATL-AMS route (332 replaces 333)

Seasonal adjustments:
- ATL-CDG route downgraded from 333 to 332 effective 10/30
- DTW-NRT route downgraded from 744 to 359 effective 10/30
- JFK-FCO route decreases from 7x weekly to 5x weekly effective 10/30 (operated by 764)
- ATL-MAD route decreases from 7x weekly to 5x weekly effective 10/30 (operated by 764)

Other:
+ Inaugural 359 commercial flight on DTW-NRT route (operated by N502DN)
+ GRK-BIF-HHN-KWI military charter (operated by 744)

redrooster3 wrote:

Any additional info as to why their keeping these two girls? They have already retired 1403 & 1404...

1403 was due for a heavy maintenance check. 1404 has heavy maintenance due next year but a smaller check due now. Both ships require an expensive Nitrogen Generation System installed to fly past December.

DL_Mech wrote:

redrooster3 wrote:

Any additional info as to why their keeping these two girls? They have already retired 1403 & 1404...

1403 was due for a heavy maintenance check. 1404 has heavy maintenance due next year but a smaller check due now. Both ships require an expensive Nitrogen Generation System installed to fly past December.

So I assume 1401 and 1402 have the NGS mod installed? I'm pleasantly surprised to hear that these birds will be around a few more months!

DL_Mech wrote:

redrooster3 wrote:

Any additional info as to why their keeping these two girls? They have already retired 1403 & 1404...

1403 was due for a heavy maintenance check. 1404 has heavy maintenance due next year but a smaller check due now. Both ships require an expensive Nitrogen Generation System installed to fly past December.

I thought the NGS upgrade was necessary for flying past December 26, 2018, well if Delta secured a waiver for both aircraft. Why do they require less extensive maintenance now than previously they needed heavy maintenance

As best I can tell, DTW-ICN will be the last route that DL flies the 747 on. I'm trying to book a seat on the last flight that leaves DTW and as best I can tell, that date is December 15th? Can anyone confirm that please? Thanks very much,

**** N503DN (359) has been formally delivered. Flying from TLS to MSP today 11/1 ****

Third 359 to join the fleet. Will undergo induction in MSP prior to entering service on DTW-ICN effective 11/18

DeSpringbokke wrote:

I thought the NGS upgrade was necessary for flying past December 26, 2018

The deadline is 12/26/2017 according to this:

http://www.faa.gov/other_visit/aviation_industry/airline_operators/airline_safety/info/all_infos/media/2014/InFO14004.pdf

This is the reason why UAL/DAL 747s and WN 737 classics are retiring this year.

DeSpringbokke wrote:

Why do they require less extensive maintenance now than previously they needed heavy maintenance

I don't understand what you are asking.

Aircraft change effective 10/31:
+ unscheduled additional JFK-LHR flight (operated by 764); temporary replacement for a VS rotation
+ unscheduled JFK-BOS ferry flight (operated by 763ER-high J); aircraft repositioning
+ unscheduled JFK-BOS ferry flight (operated by 763ER-low J); aircraft repositioning
+ unscheduled ATL-LHR ferry flight (operated by 332)
<> unscheduled aircraft swap on NRT-SIN route (763ER-high J replaces 763ER-low J)
<> unscheduled aircraft swap on JFK-ZRH route (763ER-low J replaces 763ER-high J)
<> unscheduled aircraft swap on BOS-LHR route (763ER-low J replaces 763ER-high J)

Seasonal adjustments:
- CVG-CDG route decreases from 7x weekly to 6x weekly effective 10/31 (operated by 763ER-high J)
- DTW-NGO route decreases from 5x weekly to 4x weekly effective 10/31 (operated by 332)
- ATL-FCO route decreases from 7x weekly to 5x weekly effective 10/31 (operated by 764)
- JFK-BCN route decreases from 7x weekly to 6x weekly effective 10/31 (operated by 764)
- ATL-STR route decreases from 7x weekly to 5x weekly effective 10/31 (operated by 764)

Other:
+ N174DZ (763ER-high J) exited CAN maintenance (44 days)
+ N813NW (333) ferried back YYR-ATL presumably with a new engine
+ AUS-HHN-KWI military charter (operated by 744)
+ GRK-BIF-HHN-XJD-KWI military charter (operated by 744)

Strange, seems like N140LL is flying to BUF to EWR in the next hour. Charter?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8865

Narfish641 wrote:

Strange, seems like N140LL is flying to BUF to EWR in the next hour. Charter?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8865

Bills at the Jets tomorrow night.

Sent from my SM-N920T using Tapatalk

In unrelated news, but definitely widebody related, DL flight 9933, N503DN, DL's 3rd 350, is hours away from touching down at MSP. Its on its delivery flight from TLS.

jumbojet wrote:

In unrelated news, but definitely widebody related, DL flight 9933, N503DN, DL's 3rd 350, is hours away from touching down at MSP. Its on its delivery flight from TLS.

DAL9933

Aircraft change effective 11/1:
+ scheduled additional JFK-LHR flight (operated by 764); temporary replacement for a VS rotation
+ scheduled additional ATL-LHR flight (operated by 764); temporary replacement for a VS rotation
+ unscheduled upgrade on SEA-CDG route (333 replaces 332)
<> unscheduled aircraft swap on JFK-LAX route (763ER-high J replaces 763ER-low J)
<> unscheduled aircraft swap on NRT-HNL-LAX route (763ER-high J replaces 763ER-low J)
<> unscheduled aircraft swap on DTW-FRA route (763ER-low J replaces 763ER-high J)

Other:
+ BUF-EWR NFL charter carrying the Bills to the Meadowlands to play the Jets on Thursday night (operated by 763)
+ COS-BIF-BGR-HHN-KWI-XJD military charter (operated by 333)

Now that Delta has launched the Airbus A350 on its flight from Detroit (DTW) to Tokyo Narita (NRT), Which routes could we possibly expect to see the A350 fly in the future? So far, they have plans to launch flights from Detroit to Seoul (ICN); Beijing (PEK); Amsterdam (AMS); and Shanghai (PVG), as well as flights from Atlanta (ATL) to Seoul (ICN), all in the next six months. I believe that, by that time, we will only have around 10 or so airframes out of the 25 on order. So my question is, would we see A350s being introduced to other big European markets out of Detroit, such as Paris (CDG) and London (LHR); A350s being introduced to other Asian markets out of Atlanta that are feasible range-wise, such as Tokyo and Beijing; A350s being introduced to big European markets out of Atlanta, such as Amsterdam, Paris, and London; or a combination? Keep in mind that all the currently existing and planned A350 routes are previously existing routes by Delta and Northwest.

Aircraft change effective 11/2:
+ scheduled additional JFK-LHR flight (operated by 764); temporary replacement for a VS rotation
+ scheduled additional ATL-LHR flight (operated by 764); temporary replacement for a VS rotation
+ unscheduled BOS-JFK ferry flight (operated by 763ER-high J); aircraft repositioning
+ unscheduled SEA-DTW ferry flight (operated by 332); aircraft repositioning
+ unscheduled ATL-JFK ferry flight (operated by 333); aircraft repositioning
<> unscheduled aircraft swap on LAX-JFK route (763ER-high J replaces 763ER-low)

Seasonal adjustments:
- JFK-MAD decreases from 7x weekly to 5x weekly effective 11/1 (operated by 763ER-low J)

Other:
+ ADW-ANC-OKO military/government/press charter (operated by 763ER-high J)
+ TCM-SEA-BIF-HHN military charter (operated by 744)

NateGreat wrote:

So my question is, would we see A350s being introduced to other big European markets out of Detroit, such as Paris (CDG) and London (LHR)...

In the absence of public information, try reasoning. Why would they? I mean, why would they use their most fuel efficient long-haul aircraft on shorter routes? They've got 332s and 333s if they want more capacity/newer business cabins than the 763s and 764s TATL. Maybe they see some airport pairs (JFK-LHR, ATL-LHR?) where they can get a big revenue premium with the Delta One Suites? AMS was rationalized (in another thread, pretty effectively, IIRC) as a utilization flight.

If DL ever decided to go LEFT out of BOS instead of RIGHT on their international non-stop runs, I could see it there (to Seoul for example, since KE is dragging its feet on returning).

I would look at almost all NRT flights to go to the A350 eventually with some HNL having a flight or two.