Air Canada new livery update thread

AC853 · Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:43 pm

On the mainline fleet, I have only seen the new livery on B787 and A321. Does anyone know whether the A333 will be painted? Given impending retirement of the 767 fleet I wonder if they will get the new livery. Interestly, I have not seen any pictures of the new livery on 319 and 320 aircraft either.

kcinh · Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:22 pm

I haven't seen the new livery on the 77W either.

jmt18325 · Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:33 pm

AC853 wrote:
On the mainline fleet, I have only seen the new livery on B787 and A321. Does anyone know whether the A333 will be painted? Given impending retirement of the 767 fleet I wonder if they will get the new livery. Interestly, I have not seen any pictures of the new livery on 319 and 320 aircraft either.

The 319 is the first aircraft to go with the arrival of the 737 Max.

fightforlove · Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:41 pm

As much as the ice blue livery was a cool modern look when it came out, I like to see AC going back to their more traditional look with this new livery.

jmt18325 · Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:04 pm

jmt18325 wrote:
AC853 wrote:
On the mainline fleet, I have only seen the new livery on B787 and A321. Does anyone know whether the A333 will be painted? Given impending retirement of the 767 fleet I wonder if they will get the new livery. Interestly, I have not seen any pictures of the new livery on 319 and 320 aircraft either.

The 319 is the first aircraft to go with the arrival of the 737 Max.

To add to that - there will only be 5 767s left by the end of next year.

TheLion · Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:20 pm

Their new livery makes me sad tbh. It is not only completely unrepresentative of Canada, but also dull, lifeless and boring. And it looks out of date, being similar to their 90s livery. They didn't need to change what they had. Yet another livery #EpicFail.

briguychau · Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:23 pm

Nothing has been painted for the past 3 months or so since the fleet is at max utilization for the summer season. Expect more planes to be painted once the busy season dies down.

767333ER · Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:25 pm

This is what many of us are wondering. The A321s are not being retired which is why they have mostly been repainted. The A319s and A320s likely won't be because they will get retired. Ben Smith said that the 767s that aren't retiring should be operating well into the next decade so there is a chance the ones staying will be repainted, the A330s seem to be staying for now so there is a chance they do those as well. The 777s of course will be repainted. The 190s probably not. For the past couple of months they have halted repaints perhaps because of the busy season and the only new livery aircraft havering been added to the fleet are new deliveries. I'm curious to see when they start again and what they start repainting.

TheLion wrote:
Their new livery makes me sad tbh. It is not only completely unrepresentative of Canada, but also dull, lifeless and boring. And it looks out of date, being similar to their 90s livery. They didn't need to change what they had. Yet another livery #EpicFail.

Ok you don't like it, but that's not exactly what we are discussing here...

TheLion · Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:49 pm

767333ER wrote:
This is what many of us are wondering. The A321s are not being retired which is why they have mostly been repainted. The A319s and A320s likely won't be because they will get retired. Ben Smith said that the 767s that aren't retiring should be operating well into the next decade so there is a chance the ones staying will be repainted, the A330s seem to be staying for now so there is a chance they do those as well. The 777s of course will be repainted. The 190s probably not. For the past couple of months they have halted repaints perhaps because of the busy season and the only new livery aircraft havering been added to the fleet are new deliveries. I'm curious to see when they start again and what they start repainting.

TheLion wrote:
Their new livery makes me sad tbh. It is not only completely unrepresentative of Canada, but also dull, lifeless and boring. And it looks out of date, being similar to their 90s livery. They didn't need to change what they had. Yet another livery #EpicFail.

Ok you don't like it, but that's not exactly what we are discussing here...

Yes true. I'm just tired of hearing about it. The thread about it on here went on and on and on. It pains me to see it too.

skipness1E · Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:59 pm

The non retiring B767s are the Rouge ones though? The remaining Air Canada maxhijes are the oldest Canadian Airlines ones from 1991ish.

Whiteguy · Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:01 pm

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skipness1E wrote:
The non retiring B767s are the Rouge ones though? The remaining Air Canada maxhijes are the oldest Canadian Airlines ones from 1991ish.

No, Rouge is maxed out for widebodies or maybe one more.....some B763s are staying with mainline for a few more years...

Flightsimboy · Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:05 am

I can't wait to see the 777s. I did not like the new scheme when I saw pics of it but a dreamliner coming in to land looks amazing. The Rondelle is a nice touch on the belly and the engines. Those bandit cockpit windows are cool which can appear tinted against the late evening light and the light on the whole bird is magical. Of course I will miss the ice blue esp on the 777s.

AA737-823 · Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:14 am

TheLion wrote:
767333ER wrote:
This is what many of us are wondering. The A321s are not being retired which is why they have mostly been repainted. The A319s and A320s likely won't be because they will get retired. Ben Smith said that the 767s that aren't retiring should be operating well into the next decade so there is a chance the ones staying will be repainted, the A330s seem to be staying for now so there is a chance they do those as well. The 777s of course will be repainted. The 190s probably not. For the past couple of months they have halted repaints perhaps because of the busy season and the only new livery aircraft havering been added to the fleet are new deliveries. I'm curious to see when they start again and what they start repainting.

TheLion wrote:
Their new livery makes me sad tbh. It is not only completely unrepresentative of Canada, but also dull, lifeless and boring. And it looks out of date, being similar to their 90s livery. They didn't need to change what they had. Yet another livery #EpicFail.

Ok you don't like it, but that's not exactly what we are discussing here...

Yes true. I'm just tired of hearing about it. The thread about it on here went on and on and on. It pains me to see it too.

Clicking mouse buttons is a voluntary action; if it brings you "pain" to read it, then why did you click on it?
You're more than welcome to go derail someone else's thread.

DCA-ROCguy · Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:24 am

Whenever the A330 C-GFAF gets repainted, a certain Aeroclassics 1:400 diecast model that came out months ago will cease to be a fantasy model and either be proven accurate or inaccurate. I'm not buying until I find out.

Jim

george77300 · Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:40 am

As well as a few A321 & B787 aircraft painted there are also some regional jets in the new livery eg a CRJ (C-GJZS) is in the new livery.

george77300 · Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:42 am

And also some E-jets are painted such as the E175 (C-FRQN)

coolian2 · Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:49 am

TheLion wrote:
767333ER wrote:
This is what many of us are wondering. The A321s are not being retired which is why they have mostly been repainted. The A319s and A320s likely won't be because they will get retired. Ben Smith said that the 767s that aren't retiring should be operating well into the next decade so there is a chance the ones staying will be repainted, the A330s seem to be staying for now so there is a chance they do those as well. The 777s of course will be repainted. The 190s probably not. For the past couple of months they have halted repaints perhaps because of the busy season and the only new livery aircraft havering been added to the fleet are new deliveries. I'm curious to see when they start again and what they start repainting.

TheLion wrote:
Their new livery makes me sad tbh. It is not only completely unrepresentative of Canada, but also dull, lifeless and boring. And it looks out of date, being similar to their 90s livery. They didn't need to change what they had. Yet another livery #EpicFail.

Ok you don't like it, but that's not exactly what we are discussing here...

Yes true. I'm just tired of hearing about it. The thread about it on here went on and on and on. It pains me to see it too.

That's ironic.

Channex757 · Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:58 am

Maybe AC is now scheduling paint to coincide more with their maintenance schedules. Once the initial batch is done and out there to display the new branding, to save on money and time others such as the 77W will get sprayed as their checks come due off-season.

I like the new branding as it's more maintenance-friendly too. A dark belly is much less prone to staining and the toothpaste colours did tend to show up dirt easily.

ikolkyo · Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:05 am

TheLion wrote:
767333ER wrote:
This is what many of us are wondering. The A321s are not being retired which is why they have mostly been repainted. The A319s and A320s likely won't be because they will get retired. Ben Smith said that the 767s that aren't retiring should be operating well into the next decade so there is a chance the ones staying will be repainted, the A330s seem to be staying for now so there is a chance they do those as well. The 777s of course will be repainted. The 190s probably not. For the past couple of months they have halted repaints perhaps because of the busy season and the only new livery aircraft havering been added to the fleet are new deliveries. I'm curious to see when they start again and what they start repainting.

TheLion wrote:
Their new livery makes me sad tbh. It is not only completely unrepresentative of Canada, but also dull, lifeless and boring. And it looks out of date, being similar to their 90s livery. They didn't need to change what they had. Yet another livery #EpicFail.

Ok you don't like it, but that's not exactly what we are discussing here...

Yes true. I'm just tired of hearing about it. The thread about it on here went on and on and on. It pains me to see it too.

You say this then you go straight into a thread about it and start commenting...

767333ER · Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:34 pm

george77300 wrote:
And also some E-jets are painted such as the E175 (C-FRQN)

george77300 wrote:
As well as a few A321 & B787 aircraft painted there are also some regional jets in the new livery eg a CRJ (C-GJZS) is in the new livery.

The 4 CR9s in the new livey are new deliveries and the new livery E175s such as C-FRQN are exAeromexico Connect and are "new" deliveries to Sky Regional. As far as I know they haven't repainted any Express yet other than the B1900s that have been stripped of the Air Canada Express branding.

JannEejit · Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:43 pm

Just out of interest, how many (if any) new aircraft were delivered in ice blue livery after the new look reveal happened ?

767333ER · Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:02 pm

JannEejit wrote:
Just out of interest, how many (if any) new aircraft were delivered in ice blue livery after the new look reveal happened ?

I think there were only two in the mainline fleet and both 787-9s. There is C-FRSI delivered on 02/09/17, the day they unveiled the new livery and then there is C-FRSO delivered on 02/23/17 which I think was the last mainline aircraft delivered with it. There is also the new Jazz CRJ-900 C-FJZD which was delivered with it and is in service with it, the other four of the new CRJ-900s I think might have been delivered but repainted before entering into service.

flybynight · Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:25 pm

I will say the new colors are growing on me. I bet the 777's will look good. I haven't seen many planes with the new colors at YVR yet.

Whiteguy · Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:27 pm

767333ER wrote:
JannEejit wrote:
Just out of interest, how many (if any) new aircraft were delivered in ice blue livery after the new look reveal happened ?

I think there were only two in the mainline fleet and both 787-9s. There is C-FRSI delivered on 02/09/17, the day they unveiled the new livery and then there is C-FRSO delivered on 02/23/17 which I think was the last mainline aircraft delivered with it. There is also the new Jazz CRJ-900 C-FJZD which was delivered with it and is in service with it, the other four of the new CRJ-900s I think might have been delivered but repainted before entering into service.

The 5 CRJ-900s were all delivered in the blue livery back in Dec/Jan and sat in storage in YHZ. Like you said some were repainted prior to entry into service in April.

SaschaYHZ · Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:46 pm

I was wondering what was going on with the B1900s. Here in YHZ i've seen them stripped of titles so far and that's it....also interesting to see that they're no longer on the AC website....are they leaving the fleet? (Sorry that this is somewhat off topic, but maybe they're not geting repainted?)

Dominion301 · Wed Aug 23, 2017 6:06 pm

skipness1E wrote:
The non retiring B767s are the Rouge ones though? The remaining Air Canada maxhijes are the oldest Canadian Airlines ones from 1991ish.

YOW-FRA and YOW/YHZ-LHR will likely account for 3 of those 5 mainline 763s until AC decides what to replace them with. The other 2 would be for backup and likely a couple of YYZ-west rotations. YOW/YHZ-YYZ would be the other routes to keep rotating the birds through the YYZ base.

However, I'd imagine there will still be more than 5 763s at mainline by the end of 2018 given the rate of international growth at AC.

9252fly · Wed Aug 23, 2017 6:26 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
The non retiring B767s are the Rouge ones though? The remaining Air Canada maxhijes are the oldest Canadian Airlines ones from 1991ish.

YOW-FRA and YOW/YHZ-LHR will likely account for 3 of those 5 mainline 763s until AC decides what to replace them with. The other 2 would be for backup and likely a couple of YYZ-west rotations. YOW/YHZ-YYZ would be the other routes to keep rotating the birds through the YYZ base.

However, I'd imagine there will still be more than 5 763s at mainline by the end of 2018 given the rate of international growth at AC.

For the YOW and YHZ 763's,don't be surprised if they go MAX.

jmt18325 · Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:33 pm

SaschaYHZ wrote:
I was wondering what was going on with the B1900s. Here in YHZ i've seen them stripped of titles so far and that's it....also interesting to see that they're no longer on the AC website....are they leaving the fleet? (Sorry that this is somewhat off topic, but maybe they're not geting repainted?)

Sort of kind of leaving. They still plan to purchase capacity (for now), but they will not longer be branded Air Canada Express.

jmt18325 · Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:35 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
However, I'd imagine there will still be more than 5 763s at mainline by the end of 2018 given the rate of international growth at AC.

As of August 1st, 8 for December 31 2017 and 5 for December 31 2018 is still the plan. We'll have to see.

Of note, the plan also has 18 MAX aircraft joining the fleet, and only 10 A319s being retired in their place.

Topguncanada · Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:44 pm

YHZ-LHR will become a 737Max route..so no more 767 there starting in 2018.

richiemo · Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:03 pm

This change in livery from the most beautiful in the world to the most boring and tacky is a crime against humanity. There, I said it.

SaschaYHZ · Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:07 pm

Topguncanada wrote:
YHZ-LHR will become a 737Max route..so no more 767 there starting in 2018.

Seems kindof surprising since I've heard they do well with cargo.

SaschaYHZ · Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:12 pm

And back to the topic at hand, somewhat...I don't mind it. Saw it not too long ago as I was on one of the "new" E175s from YUL-YHZ and didn't mind it.

CarlosSi · Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:22 pm

Bummer, would've liked to see the 767 with the new colors, but it makes sense not to paint them if they're on their way out.

767333ER · Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:26 pm

richiemo wrote:
This change in livery from the most beautiful in the world to the most boring and tacky is a crime against humanity. There, I said it.

Ok, but that's not what we're discussing here; however, I'll bite. Most boring in the world you say? How about China Eastern, how about Fly Jamaica, how about JAL, how about Air France, and how about the 90's Air Canada livery to name a few?

SaschaYHZ wrote:
Topguncanada wrote:
YHZ-LHR will become a 737Max route..so no more 767 there starting in 2018.

Seems kindof surprising since I've heard they do well with cargo.

From what I heard cargo is the reason why they've switched unless they really can't wait to get rid of the ETOPS A319s or maybe move them to Rouge, but at any rate if the A319 isn't good enough for the cargo, the 737-8 is no better.

Whiteguy wrote:
The 5 CRJ-900s were all delivered in the blue livery back in Dec/Jan and sat in storage in YHZ. Like you said some were repainted prior to entry into service in April.

Ok, that's what I thought, thanks for clarifying.

Dominion301 · Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:00 pm

9252fly wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
The non retiring B767s are the Rouge ones though? The remaining Air Canada maxhijes are the oldest Canadian Airlines ones from 1991ish.

YOW-FRA and YOW/YHZ-LHR will likely account for 3 of those 5 mainline 763s until AC decides what to replace them with. The other 2 would be for backup and likely a couple of YYZ-west rotations. YOW/YHZ-YYZ would be the other routes to keep rotating the birds through the YYZ base.

However, I'd imagine there will still be more than 5 763s at mainline by the end of 2018 given the rate of international growth at AC.

For the YOW and YHZ 763's,don't be surprised if they go MAX.

In winter yes (in fact a MAX could bring back year-round YOW-FRA service), but when demand in summer is in the mid-80s on a 763, you'd sure be leaving behind a lot of pax on a MAX...not to mention cargo, especially out of YHZ.

Also YOW-LHR has too much O&D & gov't traffic (i.e. J class demand) to warrant anything less than a 763 at any time of the year.

tofur · Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:05 pm

richiemo wrote:
This change in livery from the most beautiful in the world to the most boring and tacky is a crime against humanity. There, I said it.

I must admit to not being thrilled seeing it in photographs for the first time. Now as I see the aircraft taxiing by, or parked next to an aircraft in the former colours, I quite like it.

My understanding is that the entire 777 and 787 fleets will have the new livery by summer 2018.

skipness1E · Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:29 pm

There's surely no way they can repaint the whole B77W/B77L/B788/B789 fleets by summer given they haven't startes yet?

tofur · Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:45 pm

skipness1E wrote:
There's surely no way they can repaint the whole B77W/B77L/B788/B789 fleets by summer given they haven't startes yet?

It does seem to be a rather aggressive project indeed. I am referencing an AC newsletter that said all 777/787 would be repainted by summer 2018.

The refurbishment of the 777 interiors and entertainment system went extremely fast. Of course we will just have to wait and see.

yycdel · Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:48 pm

jmt18325 wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
skipness1E wrote:

Of note, the plan also has 18 MAX aircraft joining the fleet, and only 10 A319s being retired in their place.

What about the A320s?
Also, has the configuration of the 737s been finalized?

tofur · Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:56 pm

yycdel wrote:
jmt18325 wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:

What about the A320s?
Also, has the configuration of the 737s been finalized?

Yes, 7M8 will be J16Y153 total 169 seats with ptv's, powerports, wifi.

jmt18325 · Thu Aug 24, 2017 12:43 am

yycdel wrote:
jmt18325 wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:

What about the A320s?
Also, has the configuration of the 737s been finalized?

There is no public fleet plan beyond December 31, 2018. There are no A320s scheduled to leave before then. By the end of this year, the fleet will remain stable with 2 767s leaving, and 2 Max 8s coming online.

767333ER · Thu Aug 24, 2017 12:46 am

tofur wrote:
yycdel wrote:
jmt18325 wrote:

What about the A320s?
Also, has the configuration of the 737s been finalized?

Yes, 7M8 will be J16Y153 total 169 seats with ptv's, powerports, wifi.

It sounds to me like it will have 30" pitch in Y then. I guess another reason to avoid them.

qfatwa · Thu Aug 24, 2017 12:50 am

This maybe the a summary of the current fleet in new livery, based on photographs and reports. Please correct if errors noted.
A321-200
GITY 452
GIUE 454
GIUF 455
GJVX 456
GJWD 457
GJWI 458
GJWN 459
GJWO 460
FJNX 464
FLKX 473

B787-8
GHPQ 801

B787-9
FRSR 848
FRTG 849
FRTU 850
FRTW 851

CRJ-900
C-FJZL 718
C-GJZS 719
C-GJZV 720
C-GJZW 721

jmt18325 · Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:06 am

767333ER wrote:
tofur wrote:
yycdel wrote:

What about the A320s?
Also, has the configuration of the 737s been finalized?

Yes, 7M8 will be J16Y153 total 169 seats with ptv's, powerports, wifi.

It sounds to me like it will have 30" pitch in Y then. I guess another reason to avoid them.

With the new slimline seats like those used at Westjet and on Rouge, that really isn't a problem at all. I'm 6'1" and 275 lbs.

Dominion301 · Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:22 pm

qfatwa wrote:
This maybe the a summary of the current fleet in new livery, based on photographs and reports. Please correct if errors noted.
A321-200
GITY 452
GIUE 454
GIUF 455
GJVX 456
GJWD 457
GJWI 458
GJWN 459
GJWO 460
FJNX 464
FLKX 473

B787-8
GHPQ 801

B787-9
FRSR 848
FRTG 849
FRTU 850
FRTW 851

CRJ-900
C-FJZL 718
C-GJZS 719
C-GJZV 720
C-GJZW 721

Don't forget the 2 or 3 E75s that have been painted too.

qfatwa · Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:27 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
qfatwa wrote:
This maybe the a summary of the current fleet in new livery, based on photographs and reports. Please correct if errors noted.
A321-200
GITY 452
GIUE 454
GIUF 455
GJVX 456
GJWD 457
GJWI 458
GJWN 459
GJWO 460
FJNX 464
FLKX 473

B787-8
GHPQ 801

B787-9
FRSR 848
FRTG 849
FRTU 850
FRTW 851

CRJ-900
C-FJZL 718
C-GJZS 719
C-GJZV 720
C-GJZW 721

Don't forget the 2 or 3 E75s that have been painted too.

Thankyou, I did forget!
FRQK 391
FRQM 392
FRQN 393
FRQP 394
FRQW 395

AC143 · Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:53 pm

tofur wrote:
richiemo wrote:
This change in livery from the most beautiful in the world to the most boring and tacky is a crime against humanity. There, I said it.

I must admit to not being thrilled seeing it in photographs for the first time. Now as I see the aircraft taxiing by, or parked next to an aircraft in the former colours, I quite like it.

My understanding is that the entire 777 and 787 fleets will have the new livery by summer 2018.

Exactly how I feel about it too! I don't like it the first time I saw it, partly because I really like the old one. But ever since I have been more and more liking it especially after I saw it live.

Dominion301 · Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:39 pm

AC143 wrote:
tofur wrote:
richiemo wrote:
This change in livery from the most beautiful in the world to the most boring and tacky is a crime against humanity. There, I said it.

I must admit to not being thrilled seeing it in photographs for the first time. Now as I see the aircraft taxiing by, or parked next to an aircraft in the former colours, I quite like it.

My understanding is that the entire 777 and 787 fleets will have the new livery by summer 2018.

Exactly how I feel about it too! I don't like it the first time I saw it, partly because I really like the old one. But ever since I have been more and more liking it especially after I saw it live.

The main thing I don't like about it is the orphaned rondelle on the bottom half of the fuselage. It seems so out of place instead of having it right beside AIR CANADA where's it's traditionally been when it's appeared on the fuselage.

767333ER · Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:53 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
AC143 wrote:
tofur wrote:

I must admit to not being thrilled seeing it in photographs for the first time. Now as I see the aircraft taxiing by, or parked next to an aircraft in the former colours, I quite like it.

My understanding is that the entire 777 and 787 fleets will have the new livery by summer 2018.

Exactly how I feel about it too! I don't like it the first time I saw it, partly because I really like the old one. But ever since I have been more and more liking it especially after I saw it live.

The main thing I don't like about it is the orphaned rondelle on the bottom half of the fuselage. It seems so out of place instead of having it right beside AIR CANADA where's it's traditionally been when it's appeared on the fuselage.

This was the part for me that took the most getting used to, but because I've seen it enough times now I guess I've kind of accepted that that's they way it is supposed to be. I also like the larger font as a result. It looks like a throwback to the old TCA livery that had their logo in a similar place away from the titles. That old livery even had a similar mask on it.

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