Air Canada adds daily YUL-NRT

Noise · Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:42 pm

Big news coming out of Montreal

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2017-08 ... nouncement

C010T3 · Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:46 pm

Is that an annual thing now?

bmacleod · Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:03 pm

AC has YUL - Europe mostly covered so I'm thinking it's either Asia or South America.

Noise · Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:17 pm

Africa, perhaps.

raylee67 · Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:19 pm

Beirut? Tunis? Making Algiers year-round? Also Tokyo seems to be sorely missing from YUL. If PEK (by Air China) and PVG turn out to be successful, NRT may be the logical next-step for further Asia expansion.

edmaircraft · Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:24 pm

Maybe Beirut will finally happen...or is that wishful thinking?

GSP psgr · Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:30 pm

Beirut? Tokyo/Narita? Plus some Air Canada Express routes thrown in for good measure (DTW, ATL, PIT, CLE)?

chrisa330 · Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:34 pm

BEY was rejected by the Canadian Gov't a couple of months ago for the 2nd time. Doubtful it's that.

Given the nature of the announcement, I can't imagine it's just one route either.

msycajun · Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:40 pm

I hope whatever it is includes some US destinations. There are so many cities connected to YYZ that have nothing to YUL.

Could be completely unrelated or wishful thinking on my part, but AC had made a request recently to relocate from Concourse D, using UA gates, to C here at MSY. The only logical reason for such a move would be if they wanted to add an RON as D is usually full with those but has plenty of space for the current schedule of morning and afternoon turns to YYZ.

yegbey01 · Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:42 pm

BEY is very doubtful....

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/thomas-woo ... _23025036/

EI121 · Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:15 pm

I wonder if YUL-DUB could be a possibility...?

NichCage · Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:35 pm

Honestly, if the Canadian government is scared of Air Canada flying to Beirut, then make the flight have Israeli like security. Passengers need to be questioned before they check in and when they are checking in. Baggage is put through a detector to find any bombs or anything suspicious. That would ensure that no passengers flying to Beirut would be planning to do any terrorists actions. Just an idea I have.

Noise · Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:37 pm

Anything is possible; new domestic flights, new USA flights, new intercontinental flights...but given that Dakar was listed as a possible destination from YUL with the 787 I'm going to guess it's a new flight to Dakar.

Noise · Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:38 pm

NichCage wrote:
Honestly, if the Canadian government is scared of Air Canada flying to Beirut, then make the flight have Israeli like security. Passengers need to be questioned before they check in and when they are checking in. Baggage is put through a detector to find any bombs or anything suspicious. That would ensure that no passengers flying to Beirut would be planning to do any terrorists actions. Just an idea I have.

When a terrorist group, Hezbollah, controls the airport and the area around it...it's hard to have that type of security.

sixtyseven · Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:39 pm

Wouldn't be surprised if its some trans Atlantic 737 routes. YUL will be the ETOPS base for the MAX.

Dominion301 · Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:06 pm

sixtyseven wrote:
Wouldn't be surprised if its some trans Atlantic 737 routes. YUL will be the ETOPS base for the MAX.

Could be. One or more of YUL-DUB/MAN/GLA + anywhere in France not already served, would seem logical for that. I'm also hoping that the MAX brings back year-round service to YOW-FRA by 2018 or 2019 (763 summer, 738 winter).

If AC are hyping this up, it must involve at least two widebody international routes for it to be 'major'. NRT seems like a given. HKG?

As mentioned, Dakar is definitely possible.

Skywatcher · Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:17 pm

AC already has Montreal so well covered it's hard to predict.

My guess is Dakar keeping in mind the "Francophonie" North American transfer mini-hub theme.

Maybe Bogota?
I would also agree with a prior post that stated PIT/CLE/DTW/ATL are missing. PHL and DFW were added this year already.

greenair727 · Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:28 pm

^I truly hope YUL-CLE is part of this announcement. I just flew YUL-CLE and what should be a 60-minute trip took 7 hrs by schedule due to a required connection, but actually 19 hours as my connection was cx and I had to spend the night in the connecting city. These two major cities should have direct flights!

Skywatcher · Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:22 pm

When CLE was a Continental hub there were 3 x daily RJ's on the route. Now nothing by anybody. When PIT was a USAir hub it was the same. Now Nothing. CVY as well.
Did all those connecting passengers go to ORD/ATL/DTW/MSP? I doubt it since frequencies have been relatively stable in those markets for years while trans-border from YUL climbs in total every year for the last number of years. Maybe the traffic has switched to YYZ?
I suppose yields and load factors have improved. Maybe to the point where an AC expansion in those markets is warranted?

slcdeltarumd11 · Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:10 pm

I bet its Asia or Africa related. Will be fun to see.

kamloops · Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:12 pm

YUL-HKG, maybe

tofur · Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:15 pm

Let me toss my hat in to the ring as well.

Montreal-Dakar Senegal Airbus 333
Montreal-Tunis Tunisia Airbus 333

Casablanca and Algiers moving to mainline AC year round service.

Or if you tend to go for the 737MAX opportunities.....

Montreal to Lisbon Portugal
Montreal to smaller cities in France; Bordeaux, Nantes, Toulouse.

Montreal is a very unique market.This of course is all for speculation and fun.

AAvgeek744 · Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:37 pm

tofur wrote:
Let me toss my hat in to the ring as well.

Montreal-Dakar Senegal Airbus 333
Montreal-Tunis Tunisia Airbus 333

Casablanca and Algiers moving to mainline AC year round service.

Or if you tend to go for the 737MAX opportunities.....

Montreal to Lisbon Portugal
Montreal to smaller cities in France; Bordeaux, Nantes, Toulouse.

Montreal is a very unique market, somehow I do not see service to England or Scotland on the 737MAX. I could be wrong of course but this is all speculation and fun.

I can see the logic of some YUL-secondary cities in France. However, those would be more oriented for rouge, no? I know TS flies to a couple smaller French cities seasonally.

Whiteguy · Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:59 pm

sixtyseven wrote:
Wouldn't be surprised if its some trans Atlantic 737 routes. YUL will be the ETOPS base for the MAX.

I doubt you'll see MAX ETOPs routes this early, maybe in the winter for next summer/fall. Initial routes will probably be local domestic flight for training and ETOPs certification, same as WS has already announced.

StrandedAtMKG · Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:55 pm

Noise wrote:
Big news coming out of Montreal

https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2017-08 ... nouncement

Slightly off-topic-ish: since it's in a Francophone city, shouldn't "Le Westin Hotel" be "Le Ouestin?"

/joking

Thenoflyzone · Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:21 am

Someone on another forum has confirmed it's Tokyo.

yowza · Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:39 am

Thenoflyzone wrote:
Someone on another forum has confirmed it's Tokyo.

Care to share a link or DM if you don't want to post?

YOWza

Thenoflyzone · Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:54 pm

YUL-NRT schedule effective 1 June 2018.

AC005 YUL 1405 - 1550+1 NRT 788 D
AC006 NRT 1730 - 1630 YUL 788 D

bmacleod · Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:07 pm

Thenoflyzone wrote:
Someone on another forum has confirmed it's Tokyo.

Thenoflyzone wrote:
YUL-NRT schedule effective 1 June 2018.

AC005 YUL 1405 - 1550+1 NRT 788 D
AC006 NRT 1730 - 1630 YUL 788 D

Let's not jump the gun here until the news is official - if it is YUL-NRT.....

But that's what I was thinking - mentioned in my earlier post - Asia or South America....

runway23 · Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:12 pm

Thenoflyzone wrote:
YUL-NRT schedule effective 1 June 2018.

AC005 YUL 1405 - 1550+1 NRT 788 D
AC006 NRT 1730 - 1630 YUL 788 D

Isn't AC5/6 YYZ-NRT ? The flight times match YYZ also.

bmacleod · Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:16 pm

Announcement maybe delayed due to storm damage across Montreal...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/your-photos-storm-wreaks-havoc-across-montreal-1.4257920

runway23 · Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:22 pm

Perhaps anecdotal or simply a system error, but many ME operated AC codeshares on GVA-BEY have been 0'd out. Would point towards AC starting YUL-BEY.

Dominion301 · Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:34 pm

runway23 wrote:
Thenoflyzone wrote:
YUL-NRT schedule effective 1 June 2018.

AC005 YUL 1405 - 1550+1 NRT 788 D
AC006 NRT 1730 - 1630 YUL 788 D

Isn't AC5/6 YYZ-NRT ? The flight times match YYZ also.

Looking at 01JUN18 there are no nonstop YYZ-NRT flights. YYZ-HND only on a 77W. YUL-NRT replacing the YYZ slot makes total sense.

bmacleod wrote:
Announcement maybe delayed due to storm damage across Montreal...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/your-photos-storm-wreaks-havoc-across-montreal-1.4257920

AC re-confirmed it's still on for 1030: http://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/up ... 87963.html

I guess the only question is whether more than NRT will be announced. I have a feeling there will be something else.

N415XJ · Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:38 pm

Although it's a one in a billion chance, I'm still holding out a tiny bit of hope that the government reversed their stance on BEY service. As a Detroit resident, connecting at YUL via Windsor or DTW would be much more convenient than going through Europe or, god forbid, Dubai.

runway23 · Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:57 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
runway23 wrote:
Thenoflyzone wrote:
YUL-NRT schedule effective 1 June 2018.

AC005 YUL 1405 - 1550+1 NRT 788 D
AC006 NRT 1730 - 1630 YUL 788 D

Isn't AC5/6 YYZ-NRT ? The flight times match YYZ also.

Looking at 01JUN18 there are no nonstop YYZ-NRT flights. YYZ-HND only on a 77W. YUL-NRT replacing the YYZ slot makes total sense.

bmacleod wrote:
Announcement maybe delayed due to storm damage across Montreal...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/your-photos-storm-wreaks-havoc-across-montreal-1.4257920

AC re-confirmed it's still on for 1030: http://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/up ... 87963.html

I guess the only question is whether more than NRT will be announced. I have a feeling there will be something else.

OK, AC5/6 was showing in the GDS as YYZ but now shows as flight cancelled. There seems to be some truth that YUL-NRT is being announced and is replacing YYZ-NRT

raylee67 · Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:17 pm

runway23 wrote:

OK, AC5/6 was showing in the GDS as YYZ but now shows as flight cancelled. There seems to be some truth that YUL-NRT is being announced and is replacing YYZ-NRT

That sucks. YYZ-NRT is an Asian flight that is relatively easy to get a reward ticket on business class, with onward connection across Asia on ANA.

Although this makes perfect business sense. Now I hope to see more non-stop flights from Calgary to Asia, which the 787 would be perfect to open those routes.

jnev3289 · Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:30 pm

runway23 wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
runway23 wrote:

Isn't AC5/6 YYZ-NRT ? The flight times match YYZ also.

Looking at 01JUN18 there are no nonstop YYZ-NRT flights. YYZ-HND only on a 77W. YUL-NRT replacing the YYZ slot makes total sense.

bmacleod wrote:
Announcement maybe delayed due to storm damage across Montreal...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/your-photos-storm-wreaks-havoc-across-montreal-1.4257920

AC re-confirmed it's still on for 1030: http://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/up ... 87963.html

I guess the only question is whether more than NRT will be announced. I have a feeling there will be something else.

OK, AC5/6 was showing in the GDS as YYZ but now shows as flight cancelled. There seems to be some truth that YUL-NRT is being announced and is replacing YYZ-NRT

It would be pretty underwhelming if they make all this hullabaloo and their announcement is a flight switching origins. There has to be more right?

Dominion301 · Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:45 pm

According to the press release, they're still operating YYZ-NRT daily. It might have been temporarily pulled to give the YYZ flights new flight numbers and to load it back up at the same time as YUL-NRT while it was being kept a secret.

caribb · Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:20 pm

This is great news. YUL is having a banner year. I guess Hong Kong and Seoul are the only logical top tier cities that are left in eastern Asia to get a link to Montréal. I can't see it happening for a few years though. All this (China & Japan) need to take root and grow first.

aemoreira1981 · Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:21 pm

NichCage wrote:
Honestly, if the Canadian government is scared of Air Canada flying to Beirut, then make the flight have Israeli like security. Passengers need to be questioned before they check in and when they are checking in. Baggage is put through a detector to find any bombs or anything suspicious. That would ensure that no passengers flying to Beirut would be planning to do any terrorists actions. Just an idea I have.

The problem is that Air Canada would need its employees at the BEY station as well, as well as all ramp services there.

That said, with the 787-9 in the fleet, is there any need for the 77L or 77W in Air Canada's fleet anymore? If they get the 787-10, those could replace the 77Ws, of which many have been sold and leased back. To Hong Kong could be done with a B789 without any significant penalty, and services to Australia from YVR can also be done with a B789 without penalty (AC36 is done with a B788, often one that then continues on from YVR to EWR). If MF can fly FOC to JFK with a B789, AC can fly a B789 from SYD to YVR nonstop (about 30 minutes shorter). AC could rationalize a fleet around the 737 MAX, A330, and 787, or just the 737 MAX and 787.

jbs2886 · Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:30 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
NichCage wrote:
Honestly, if the Canadian government is scared of Air Canada flying to Beirut, then make the flight have Israeli like security. Passengers need to be questioned before they check in and when they are checking in. Baggage is put through a detector to find any bombs or anything suspicious. That would ensure that no passengers flying to Beirut would be planning to do any terrorists actions. Just an idea I have.

The problem is that Air Canada would need its employees at the BEY station as well, as well as all ramp services there.

That said, with the 787-9 in the fleet, is there any need for the 77L or 77W in Air Canada's fleet anymore? If they get the 787-10, those could replace the 77Ws, of which many have been sold and leased back. To Hong Kong could be done with a B789 without any significant penalty, and services to Australia from YVR can also be done with a B789 without penalty (AC36 is done with a B788, often one that then continues on from YVR to EWR). If MF can fly FOC to JFK with a B789, AC can fly a B789 from SYD to YVR nonstop (about 30 minutes shorter). AC could rationalize a fleet around the 737 MAX, A330, and 787, or just the 737 MAX and 787.

You do realize a 77W holds about 150 more than a 789 in Air Canada's fleet? Air Canada has routes that need that capacity. Fleet "rationalization" isn't everything.

whywhyzee · Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:35 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
NichCage wrote:
Honestly, if the Canadian government is scared of Air Canada flying to Beirut, then make the flight have Israeli like security. Passengers need to be questioned before they check in and when they are checking in. Baggage is put through a detector to find any bombs or anything suspicious. That would ensure that no passengers flying to Beirut would be planning to do any terrorists actions. Just an idea I have.

The problem is that Air Canada would need its employees at the BEY station as well, as well as all ramp services there.

That said, with the 787-9 in the fleet, is there any need for the 77L or 77W in Air Canada's fleet anymore? If they get the 787-10, those could replace the 77Ws, of which many have been sold and leased back. To Hong Kong could be done with a B789 without any significant penalty, and services to Australia from YVR can also be done with a B789 without penalty (AC36 is done with a B788, often one that then continues on from YVR to EWR). If MF can fly FOC to JFK with a B789, AC can fly a B789 from SYD to YVR nonstop (about 30 minutes shorter). AC could rationalize a fleet around the 737 MAX, A330, and 787, or just the 737 MAX and 787.

As the previous post said, capacity is the issue. Places like LHR, FRA, CDG, FRA, HKG and PEK need the capacity of the triple and larger. YYZ-LHR for example is 4x daily 77W's in the high season according to my last check.

Thenoflyzone · Wed Aug 23, 2017 6:12 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
According to the press release, they're still operating YYZ-NRT daily. It might have been temporarily pulled to give the YYZ flights new flight numbers and to load it back up at the same time as YUL-NRT while it was being kept a secret.

YYZ-NRT non stop is gone.

The flight will now route via YYC. Mainline B763.

kcinh · Wed Aug 23, 2017 6:40 pm

runway23 wrote:
Thenoflyzone wrote:
YUL-NRT schedule effective 1 June 2018.

AC005 YUL 1405 - 1550+1 NRT 788 D
AC006 NRT 1730 - 1630 YUL 788 D

Isn't AC5/6 YYZ-NRT ? The flight times match YYZ also.

AC 001/002 is YYZ-NRT

chrisa330 · Wed Aug 23, 2017 6:58 pm

kcinh wrote:
AC 001/002 is YYZ-NRT

For now. AC001/002 will be moving to the YYZ-HND flight instead.

LAX772LR · Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:06 pm

Maybe I missed it, but seems sorta odd that there's not one mention of ANA partnership/cooperation in any of this.

airzona11 · Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:21 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
NichCage wrote:
Honestly, if the Canadian government is scared of Air Canada flying to Beirut, then make the flight have Israeli like security. Passengers need to be questioned before they check in and when they are checking in. Baggage is put through a detector to find any bombs or anything suspicious. That would ensure that no passengers flying to Beirut would be planning to do any terrorists actions. Just an idea I have.

The problem is that Air Canada would need its employees at the BEY station as well, as well as all ramp services there.

That said, with the 787-9 in the fleet, is there any need for the 77L or 77W in Air Canada's fleet anymore? If they get the 787-10, those could replace the 77Ws, of which many have been sold and leased back. To Hong Kong could be done with a B789 without any significant penalty, and services to Australia from YVR can also be done with a B789 without penalty (AC36 is done with a B788, often one that then continues on from YVR to EWR). If MF can fly FOC to JFK with a B789, AC can fly a B789 from SYD to YVR nonstop (about 30 minutes shorter). AC could rationalize a fleet around the 737 MAX, A330, and 787, or just the 737 MAX and 787.

The 777 isn't really an odd-ball in their fleet. No doubt they use the cargo capacity of the 77L and the pax capacity of the 77W. The 777s arent as efficient as the 787s but they certainly are not "inefficient." Longer term it is possible, but ~25 young 777s is a lot of birds to replace. When the market goes through a dip, that is a lot of new metal to pay for.

It might be interesting to see if they transition larger planes to Rouge, that is something that is not out of the realm. Although the A333 seems to be a logical Rouge plane if that were to happen.

slcdeltarumd11 · Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:39 pm

This is the kind of route the 788 was designed for. Hope it works out! Feed on both sides, it should.

WesternA318 · Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:40 pm

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edmaircraft wrote:
Maybe Beirut will finally happen...or is that wishful thinking?

Lord, one could wish!

Noise · Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:01 pm

How long until we see YUL-HKG nonstop?

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