Update: EK to upgauge DXB-IAH to Airbus A388 again

GamingPolaris · Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:13 pm

There has been internal speculation/rumor in EK at IAH that the beast will be returning. Thoughts?

AAvgeek744 · Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:19 pm

So you work for EK? If not, what is your source for internal speculation?

yellowtail · Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:24 pm

having family in the oil industry in Houston, I can tell you that they are beginning to see an uptick and to travel more. Some J travel privileges are being restored (thank god!), so (anecdotally) perhaps the EKs of the world are seeing some travel demand returning.

thomasphoto60 · Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:33 pm

AAvgeek744 wrote:
So you work for EK? If not, what is your source for internal speculation?

Agree, what is your source?

KTPAFlyer · Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:41 pm

I have also heard from people who work the EK flight @ IAH that it will be upgauged to an A388.

AAvgeek744 · Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:42 pm

I would be curious to know if there were any way to know how many rumors on a.net come to fruition? They have to send those Whalebuses somewhere, a return to IAH might be in the cards.

yycdel · Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:51 pm

How's the SEA flight doing? Wasn't it 2x 777 before the electronics ban? I wonder if they will send 1x 388 here

hohd · Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:52 pm

AI is considering IAH or DFW for its next expansion to USA, which I don't think is a good idea due to the long distance from DEL. If EK brings back 388, this should discourage AI from even thinking about it. Also with the laptop ban gone, EK may be thinking ahead.

thomasphoto60 · Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:29 pm

AAvgeek744 wrote:
I would be curious to know if there were any way to know how many rumors on a.net come to fruition? They have to send those Whalebuses somewhere, a return to IAH might be in the cards.

Man, I've on this forum since it launched and if I had a dollar for every rumor that did not come to pass (especially regarding IAH), I would have many, many dollars :cheerful:

GamingPolaris · Tue Aug 15, 2017 11:40 pm

AAvgeek744 wrote:
So you work for EK? If not, what is your source for internal speculation?

I've talked to people who work for EK at IAH. There's been speculation for about a week or so.

LAX772LR · Wed Aug 16, 2017 12:04 am

yycdel wrote:
How's the SEA flight doing? Wasn't it 2x 777 before the electronics ban? I wonder if they will send 1x 388 here

Very unlikely.

They carry a crap-ton of cargo in those 777s on that specific, both of which offer far move volume than an A380.
Add to that the increased difficulty in maneuvering an A380 at SEA.

airzona11 · Wed Aug 16, 2017 12:40 am

LAX772LR wrote:
yycdel wrote:
How's the SEA flight doing? Wasn't it 2x 777 before the electronics ban? I wonder if they will send 1x 388 here

Very unlikely.

They carry a crap-ton of cargo in those 777s on that specific, both of which offer far move volume than an A380.
Add to that the increased difficulty in maneuvering an A380 at SEA.

Great point. Those flights give EK a very unique advantage for time sensitive cargo into the ME/Surrounding area.

LAX772LR · Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:38 am

airzona11 wrote:
Great point. Those flights give EK a very unique advantage for time sensitive cargo into the ME/Surrounding area.

From what I understand, much of that cargo is actually Boeing parts/products, so not only is it revenue for EK, but it's a savings for them as well, being the transporter of what they (and others) in the region need.

LAXdude1023 · Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:05 am

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GamingPolaris wrote:
AAvgeek744 wrote:
So you work for EK? If not, what is your source for internal speculation?

I've talked to people who work for EK at IAH. There's been speculation for about a week or so.

That's the same thing as simply making it up.

Ammad · Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:22 am

airzona11 wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
yycdel wrote:
How's the SEA flight doing? Wasn't it 2x 777 before the electronics ban? I wonder if they will send 1x 388 here

Very unlikely.

They carry a crap-ton of cargo in those 777s on that specific, both of which offer far move volume than an A380.
Add to that the increased difficulty in maneuvering an A380 at SEA.

Great point. Those flights give EK a very unique advantage for time sensitive cargo into the ME/Surrounding area.

But EK now have daily 777 flight to DXB, down from double daily.

Planeflyer · Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:50 am

Oil industry travel will not be in business class except for high up types anytime soon.

We need to see 80$ oil forvthisvto happen and we'll see $30 oil before we see $80.

Downstream business is booming in la & Texas as a result of low oil and nat gas BI this does not generate near the travel opportunities as most of the supply base is domestic.

Net net iah international travel will not be aided by petrol in the next 5-10 years

LAX772LR · Wed Aug 16, 2017 4:34 am

Ammad wrote:
airzona11 wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
Very unlikely.

They carry a crap-ton of cargo in those 777s on that specific, both of which offer far move volume than an A380.
Add to that the increased difficulty in maneuvering an A380 at SEA.

Great point. Those flights give EK a very unique advantage for time sensitive cargo into the ME/Surrounding area.

But EK now have daily 777 flight to DXB, down from double daily.

Single 777 still gives more cargo than an A380.

emiratesdriver · Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:15 am

Planeflyer wrote:
Oil industry travel will not be in business class except for high up types anytime soon.

We need to see 80$ oil forvthisvto happen and we'll see $30 oil before we see $80.

Downstream business is booming in la & Texas as a result of low oil and nat gas BI this does not generate near the travel opportunities as most of the supply base is domestic.

Net net iah international travel will not be aided by petrol in the next 5-10 years

Would be super surprised, the 380 needs a full premium cabin at premium yields to make this work, the IAH loads of late don't justify this, forward bookings I have no idea.

airzona11 · Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:42 pm

Even tho price of oil is low, it has been there long enough for it to stabilize even normalize. Houston regardless of the price, is a hub for all things oil and everything down stream from there. Hope to see the A380 back.

LAX772LR wrote:
airzona11 wrote:
Great point. Those flights give EK a very unique advantage for time sensitive cargo into the ME/Surrounding area.

From what I understand, much of that cargo is actually Boeing parts/products, so not only is it revenue for EK, but it's a savings for them as well, being the transporter of what they (and others) in the region need.

Great way to earn business that would otherwise go to FedEX/UPS/other cargo operators. NonStop = fastest to that region. Boeing/Suppliers keep the belly full. The 77W now and future 77X have such a valuable role in the EK fleet not only for passenger economics but also below deck cargo.

chrisnh · Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:08 pm

With all the cities that EK had to retrench from, it will be interesting to see what happens when a city (BOS/SEA/ORD, for example) has too much demand for one 77W but not enough for two. What's their option aside from swapping the 77W for an A380?

Jayafe · Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:14 pm

EK will have in a few years A350s/787s to play with in such scenarios...

Sooner787 · Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:16 pm

Can we start up the EK to resume 380 service to DFW rumors?

Sooner787 · Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:42 pm

BTW..... a quick check of SABRE thru 1 Dec still shows a 77W on the IAH-DXB route

Irehdna · Wed Aug 16, 2017 6:05 pm

The only way I see this possible is if the 77W on DXB-IAH is weight-restricted. EK 77Ws are rather dense, and the route is one of the longest 77W flights operated today. Through why can't they operate 77L on the route? Lack of equipment?

LAX772LR · Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:41 pm

Irehdna wrote:
The only way I see this possible is if the 77W on DXB-IAH is weight-restricted.

Of course it is.

No aircraft between USA and DXB is flying a MZFW. They're all somewhat "weight restricted"

Ammad · Thu Aug 17, 2017 12:18 am

LAX772LR wrote:
Irehdna wrote:
The only way I see this possible is if the 77W on DXB-IAH is weight-restricted.

Of course it is.

No aircraft between USA and DXB is flying a MZFW. They're all somewhat "weight restricted"

Even for Most eastern routes, Like BOS?

LAX772LR · Thu Aug 17, 2017 12:28 am

Ammad wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
Irehdna wrote:
The only way I see this possible is if the 77W on DXB-IAH is weight-restricted.

No aircraft between USA and DXB is flying a MZFW. They're all somewhat "weight restricted"

Even for Most eastern routes, Like BOS?

Nope.

Range at MZFW for a 351T 77W is just over 5700nm... exactly the distance of DXB-BOS.

The "problem" is that it doesn't take into account the hot conditions at DXB, winds, etc. No way they could get that on the westbound for those reasons, and BOS doesn't have the runway length for them to do so on the eastbound according to ACAPS charts.

sq421 · Thu Aug 17, 2017 6:01 pm

Irehdna wrote:
The only way I see this possible is if the 77W on DXB-IAH is weight-restricted. EK 77Ws are rather dense, and the route is one of the longest 77W flights operated today. Through why can't they operate 77L on the route? Lack of equipment?

Yes, lack of equipment. They have only A388 & B77Ws

Airlinepilot129 · Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:40 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
Ammad wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
No aircraft between USA and DXB is flying a MZFW. They're all somewhat "weight restricted"

Even for Most eastern routes, Like BOS?

Nope.

Range at MZFW for a 351T 77W is just over 5700nm... exactly the distance of DXB-BOS.

The "problem" is that it doesn't take into account the hot conditions at DXB, winds, etc. No way they could get that on the westbound for those reasons, and BOS doesn't have the runway length for them to do so on the eastbound according to ACAPS charts.

Not to mention it's usually hot and humid on the other end in Houston for most of the year as well.

LAX772LR · Thu Sep 21, 2017 3:57 am

sq421 wrote:
Irehdna wrote:
Through why can't they operate 77L on the route? Lack of equipment?

Yes, lack of equipment. They have only A388 & B77Ws

You're both assuming too much:
EK often feels that a restricted 77W is still a more profitable proposition than a full 77L.

When they switched LAX from 77Ls to 77Ws, they initially restricted the 77W by 30 seats... yet that still left them with more than 50 additional seats (over a full 77L) that they could sell.

So yes, there's more 77Ws than 77Ls, but availability isn't always the reason they choose to swap them out.

sq421 · Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:21 am

LAX772LR wrote:
sq421 wrote:
Irehdna wrote:
Through why can't they operate 77L on the route? Lack of equipment?

Yes, lack of equipment. They have only A388 & B77Ws

You're both assuming too much:
EK often feels that a restricted 77W is still a more profitable proposition than a full 77L.

When they switched LAX from 77Ls to 77Ws, they initially restricted the 77W by 30 seats... yet that still left them with more than 50 additional seats (over a full 77L) that they could sell.

So yes, there's more 77Ws than 77Ls, but availability isn't always the reason they choose to swap them out.

Fair point... what i meant to imply was EK has more 77Ws than 77Ls on their fleet and those are ones they can deploy. But I get your reason and probably that's the reason their fleet is structured that way

FoxtrotSierra · Thu Sep 21, 2017 6:55 am

Sooner787 wrote:
Can we start up the EK to resume 380 service to DFW rumors?

Yes, especially now that AA has cut ties with EY and QR.

chrisnh · Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:38 am

LAX772LR wrote:
yycdel wrote:
How's the SEA flight doing? Wasn't it 2x 777 before the electronics ban? I wonder if they will send 1x 388 here

Very unlikely.

They carry a crap-ton of cargo in those 777s on that specific, both of which offer far move volume than an A380.
Add to that the increased difficulty in maneuvering an A380 at SEA.

That’s supposedly standing in the way of Boston getting it, notwithstanding the A380 gates there and EK’s very own (and nice) lounge.

aircountry · Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:00 pm

Update, its coming back to IAH again is June 21, 2018. https://www.emirates.com/media-centre/e ... o-houston#

Irehdna · Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:24 pm

Emirates has been restoring capacity. IIRC MCO is also going back to daily soon.

lightsaber · Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:41 pm

aircountry wrote:
Update, its coming back to IAH again is June 21, 2018. https://www.emirates.com/media-centre/e ... o-houston#

Wow... It took some time, but we have tardy vindication.

Lightsaber

xwb777 · Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:11 pm

aircountry wrote:
Update, its coming back to IAH again is June 21, 2018. https://www.emirates.com/media-centre/e ... o-houston#

June 1 not June 21

migair54 · Wed Feb 21, 2018 4:37 pm

Good to see the whale doing the IAH flight, I wonder if EK will now re start some of the cancelled flights or maybe a new destinations with the spare plane, lately EK is adding a lot of new flights, it's a big expansion going on right now.
I'd love to see ATL or DTW in the network soon.

toxtethogrady · Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:19 pm

No rumor. Article in the Houston Chronicle confirms it...
https://www.chron.com/business/bizfeed/ ... 628669.php

No word on the aircraft returning to DFW, but that could be in the works, too...

toxtethogrady · Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:06 pm

I was going to go with Leeham... :duck:

jetero · Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:10 pm

toxtethogrady wrote:
No rumor. Article in the Houston Chronicle confirms it...
https://www.chron.com/business/bizfeed/ ... 628669.php

No word on the aircraft returning to DFW, but that could be in the works, too...

Yeah, who would take the primary source of the Emirates press release posted earlier over the Chronicle?

COflyerBOS · Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:35 pm

LOL at this thread, especially the guy saying we'd see $30 oil before we got close to $80. Brent is trading over $65 today and has been slowly trending up (up $25 since the end of 2015).

WaywardMemphian · Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:24 pm

COflyerBOS wrote:
LOL at this thread, especially the guy saying we'd see $30 oil before we got close to $80. Brent is trading over $65 today and has been slowly trending up (up $25 since the end of 2015).

We will see if this rally has legs when the US production numbers explode this summer.

Summary

Growing U.S. shale oil poses a very real threat to higher oil prices.

The rig count has reached its highest point in almost three-years.

DUCs are a climbing and major shale oil companies have boosted capex to grow production.

Activity in the Permian Basin is expanding at a significant pace.

The Permian Basin has spare productive capacity that is second only to Saudi Arabia.

https://seekingalpha.com/article/414910 ... side-crude

jetero · Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:08 pm

COflyerBOS wrote:
LOL at this thread, especially the guy saying we'd see $30 oil before we got close to $80. Brent is trading over $65 today and has been slowly trending up (up $25 since the end of 2015).

I'm sure he made a killing predicting the 2014 crash right on the money.

wenders825 · Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:03 am

I'm sure DFW will come back. surprised EK hasn't tried to capitalize on EY's exit, and I think QR is going to stick it out at DFW. while they don't codeshare with AA anymore, I'm sure they'll continue interlining since they're both oneworld. but QR is evening and EK is morning, I see room for both

aircountry · Thu Feb 22, 2018 6:02 am

xwb777 wrote:
aircountry wrote:
Update, its coming back to IAH again is June 21, 2018. https://www.emirates.com/media-centre/e ... o-houston#

June 1 not June 21

sorry my mistake for the date and you are correct the date.

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