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BTVB6Flyer wrote:PIE-BNA starting 6/14/2018.
2x weekly, year round.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/a ... _166976326
jgcotter wrote:Allegiant A320 N240NV is en route from to GSO to PIE for entry into active service. 31 x A320 on property now at Allegiant.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N240NV
jgcotter wrote:Allegiant A319 N319NV is en route from GSO to LAS for entry into active service. 30 x A319 on property now at Allegiant.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N319NV
lightsaber wrote:jgcotter wrote:Allegiant A319 N319NV is en route from GSO to LAS for entry into active service. 30 x A319 on property now at Allegiant.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N319NV
I find your updates facinating.
So:
Qty 32 A320 at G4
Qty 31 MD-80
Qty 30 A319.
Wow.... Soon we will see the MD-80 as the least common type in the fleet. The US built A320 are starting assembly. A319s are available fairly cheap, at almost scrap value for the era Allegiant buys.
My question is when does G4 buy NEOs? I am of the opinion that they have matured to the point where their network could support 12 to 15 NEOs more profitable than CEOs as well as the new CEOs on order. Just to be clear, I believe over the next 20 years their aircraft purchases should mostly be used. I simply believe in today's environment they could get a good enough deal to make even more profit with a limited quantity of NEOs, find enough routes where the new CEOs are more profitable than the used A320s in the fleet, and continue buying used A319 and A320s at the right pricing.
But not for delivery prior to 2021.
I also believe they would be offered differal terms safe enough to eliminate risk.
Lightsaber
FATFlyer wrote:Allegiant plans to retire the MDs in November.
At the end of 2018 the fleet is planned to be 82 aircraft:
32 A319s (156 seat configuration)
27 A320s (186 seat configuration)
23 A320s (177 seat configuration)
At the end of 2019 the fleet is planned to be at 100 aircraft:
37 A319s (156 seat configuration)
38 A320s (186 seat configuration)
25 A320s (177 seat configuration)
727LOVER wrote:FATFlyer wrote:Allegiant plans to retire the MDs in November.
At the end of 2018 the fleet is planned to be 82 aircraft:
32 A319s (156 seat configuration)
27 A320s (186 seat configuration)
23 A320s (177 seat configuration)
At the end of 2019 the fleet is planned to be at 100 aircraft:
37 A319s (156 seat configuration)
38 A320s (186 seat configuration)
25 A320s (177 seat configuration)
Thanx for that.
OK, now I assume that most deliveries this year will be to get the MD-80s out the door.
So next year with 18 aircraft coming, I'm hoping SRQ will get quite an expansion.
Sean-SAN- wrote:lightsaber wrote:jgcotter wrote:Allegiant A319 N319NV is en route from GSO to LAS for entry into active service. 30 x A319 on property now at Allegiant.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N319NV
I find your updates facinating.
So:
Qty 32 A320 at G4
Qty 31 MD-80
Qty 30 A319.
Wow.... Soon we will see the MD-80 as the least common type in the fleet. The US built A320 are starting assembly. A319s are available fairly cheap, at almost scrap value for the era Allegiant buys.
My question is when does G4 buy NEOs? I am of the opinion that they have matured to the point where their network could support 12 to 15 NEOs more profitable than CEOs as well as the new CEOs on order. Just to be clear, I believe over the next 20 years their aircraft purchases should mostly be used. I simply believe in today's environment they could get a good enough deal to make even more profit with a limited quantity of NEOs, find enough routes where the new CEOs are more profitable than the used A320s in the fleet, and continue buying used A319 and A320s at the right pricing.
But not for delivery prior to 2021.
I also believe they would be offered differal terms safe enough to eliminate risk.
Lightsaber
I think Maury personally said during a past earnings call that there'll be no more brand new aircraft purchases. I personally think it would be awesome to get a subfleet of 321LR's to do PIE/SFB to western Europe 2x weekly... it's within the range of the new LR and would be ideal fleet utilization.
Sean-SAN- wrote:I think Maury personally said during a past earnings call that there'll be no more brand new aircraft purchases. I personally think it would be awesome to get a subfleet of 321LR's to do PIE/SFB to western Europe 2x weekly... it's within the range of the new LR and would be ideal fleet utilization.
FATFlyer wrote:
Yes they are simply trying to get the MDs retired this year. They sped up the retirement plan, it was originally going to another 12-18 months out.
Allegiant will actually finish 2018 with 7 fewer aircraft than at the end of 2017. But they have been able to get increased utilization out of the A319s/A320sj compared to the MDs. That should eliminate/minimize any impact the smaller fleet might have on this winter's schedule.
The 18 aircraft being added in 2019 does look like a very large growth year for the company.
F9Animal wrote:I am surprised G4 hasnt kicked tires on the 321. I am bummed out that the 757 didn't do well for them, and Hawaii was a flop. But yes, the 321 seems to be doing good for Spirit and Frontier. I wouldn't be surprised if we dont see some 321's in G4's future.
On a side note, it seems that G4 is doing better with staying out of the spotlight on mechanical and emergency landings lately. Is the reduction of MD-80 flying key to this? I am looking forward to seeing posts about the last G4 MD-80 flight. I might have to arrange a flight on one before they are gone.
deltadudejg wrote:I am as well curious to see where G4 goes with SRQ, they are one of the more expensive airports to operate out of in Florida in terms of PFC, they are somewhere around the $10 mark where Tampa I believe was at about $6 or $7 and PIE is almost $2. As many airports would SRQ gave Allegiant an incentive to fly into there and only time will tell what the airline will do once those incentives are up.
lightsaber wrote:Sean-SAN- wrote:
I speculate it is just too early for the A321. Not enough are on the secondary market to depress pricing. Due to the lower CASM vs. smaller Airbus aircraft, they should be retaining value more. I speculate that G4 needs to buy a batch of them for fleet commonality.
Possibly if G4 does buy new, A321NEO? OK, in all seriousness, despite CFM having a better ramp than Pratt, I think perhaps some late A321CEOs would be attractive. In my opinion the used A321 market isn't mature enough for G4.
Lightsaber
Sean-SAN- wrote:lightsaber wrote:jgcotter wrote:Allegiant A319 N319NV is en route from GSO to LAS for entry into active service. 30 x A319 on property now at Allegiant.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N319NV
I find your updates facinating.
So:
Qty 32 A320 at G4
Qty 31 MD-80
Qty 30 A319.
Wow.... Soon we will see the MD-80 as the least common type in the fleet. The US built A320 are starting assembly. A319s are available fairly cheap, at almost scrap value for the era Allegiant buys.
My question is when does G4 buy NEOs? I am of the opinion that they have matured to the point where their network could support 12 to 15 NEOs more profitable than CEOs as well as the new CEOs on order. Just to be clear, I believe over the next 20 years their aircraft purchases should mostly be used. I simply believe in today's environment they could get a good enough deal to make even more profit with a limited quantity of NEOs, find enough routes where the new CEOs are more profitable than the used A320s in the fleet, and continue buying used A319 and A320s at the right pricing.
But not for delivery prior to 2021.
I also believe they would be offered differal terms safe enough to eliminate risk.
Lightsaber
I think Maury personally said during a past earnings call that there'll be no more brand new aircraft purchases.
FWAERJ wrote:deltadudejg wrote:I am as well curious to see where G4 goes with SRQ, they are one of the more expensive airports to operate out of in Florida in terms of PFC, they are somewhere around the $10 mark where Tampa I believe was at about $6 or $7 and PIE is almost $2. As many airports would SRQ gave Allegiant an incentive to fly into there and only time will tell what the airline will do once those incentives are up.
However, it should be noted that the only reason why SRQ's fees are so high are because of the WN/FL merger. Before that happened, SRQ was cheaper for an airline to operate out of than TPA. They only raised the fees after FL left to cover the costs of operating the airport's pax ops.
But I, too, will be interested to see where G4 takes SRQ. Their decision to do it and CHS in a test-market fashion from the three Midwestern bases (CVG, IND, PIT) was a smart one that minimizes risk to the airline. G4 can see how things develop on SRQ/CHS to IND/PIT/CVG before committing to an Airbus at each base the same way that consumer product manufacturers test products in test markets. If SRQ and CHS don't work for G4, they don't have to close any bases even after pulling out - which G4 is never afraid to do if a route doesn't work. And I can see G4 doing other, similar test market routes from CVG/IND/PIT.
heretothere wrote:Sean-SAN- wrote:lightsaber wrote:I find your updates facinating.
So:
Qty 32 A320 at G4
Qty 31 MD-80
Qty 30 A319.
Wow.... Soon we will see the MD-80 as the least common type in the fleet. The US built A320 are starting assembly. A319s are available fairly cheap, at almost scrap value for the era Allegiant buys.
My question is when does G4 buy NEOs? I am of the opinion that they have matured to the point where their network could support 12 to 15 NEOs more profitable than CEOs as well as the new CEOs on order. Just to be clear, I believe over the next 20 years their aircraft purchases should mostly be used. I simply believe in today's environment they could get a good enough deal to make even more profit with a limited quantity of NEOs, find enough routes where the new CEOs are more profitable than the used A320s in the fleet, and continue buying used A319 and A320s at the right pricing.
But not for delivery prior to 2021.
I also believe they would be offered differal terms safe enough to eliminate risk.
Lightsaber
I think Maury personally said during a past earnings call that there'll be no more brand new aircraft purchases.
Apparently that's not the case as G4 ordered one more new 320 in April:
http://www.airbus.com/aircraft/market/o ... eries.html
WeatherPilot wrote:I wonder if the 4 MD-82's that ValueJet used were ever used by G4.
WeatherPilot wrote:I wonder if the 4 MD-82's that ValueJet used were ever used by G4.
lightsaber wrote:
I'm amazed by the higher Airbus utilization rate. For that implies the CASM is low enough to take the RASM hit of not flying at prefered times.
TYSflyer wrote:Question for those more in the know about Allegiant? I was perusing the recent schedule extension for G4. Starting in early November most all of the G4 flights from TYS appear to originate and end in TYS. The only exceptions I have found are busy travel days around holidays. It appears there are 2 frames running the schedule from TYS. However, there has been no mention of a new base here. What are your all’s thoughts? A scheduling error, temporary base or permanent base that has yet to be announced?
TYSflyer wrote:Question for those more in the know about Allegiant? I was perusing the recent schedule extension for G4. Starting in early November most all of the G4 flights from TYS appear to originate and end in TYS. The only exceptions I have found are busy travel days around holidays. It appears there are 2 frames running the schedule from TYS. However, there has been no mention of a new base here. What are your all’s thoughts? A scheduling error, temporary base or permanent base that has yet to be announced?
william wrote:TYSflyer wrote:Question for those more in the know about Allegiant? I was perusing the recent schedule extension for G4. Starting in early November most all of the G4 flights from TYS appear to originate and end in TYS. The only exceptions I have found are busy travel days around holidays. It appears there are 2 frames running the schedule from TYS. However, there has been no mention of a new base here. What are your all’s thoughts? A scheduling error, temporary base or permanent base that has yet to be announced?
Per this pilot forum, TYS starts this November with two planes. Scroll to the middle.
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/alle ... ses-2.html
Midwestindy wrote:TYSflyer wrote:Question for those more in the know about Allegiant? I was perusing the recent schedule extension for G4. Starting in early November most all of the G4 flights from TYS appear to originate and end in TYS. The only exceptions I have found are busy travel days around holidays. It appears there are 2 frames running the schedule from TYS. However, there has been no mention of a new base here. What are your all’s thoughts? A scheduling error, temporary base or permanent base that has yet to be announced?
TYS is supposed to be the next G4 base, starting in November with 2 a/c. Hasn't been announced yet, but probably will be soon.
deltadudejg wrote:From what I've been told is LAS will be all Airbus somewhere between this month and the end of next. With that I'm hoping to see LAS-PIE/SFB they could use to for fleet rotation. With the addition of PIE-BNA, we are dropping PIE-MSY due to low load factors. There have been a good mix of rumors though on their next plans to grow. Albeit not verifiable and clearly both ends of the spectrum but originally there was supposed to remain a steady growth like they have been but more recently I had heard that route expansion and additional aircraft to PIE would be held where it is, most likely due to our construction. I am as well curious to see where G4 goes with SRQ, they are one of the more expensive airports to operate out of in Florida in terms of PFC, they are somewhere around the $10 mark where Tampa I believe was at about $6 or $7 and PIE is almost $2. As many airports would SRQ gave Allegiant an incentive to fly into there and only time will tell what the airline will do once those incentives are up.