What's next for Allegiant? - discussion thread

jgcotter · Fri Mar 02, 2018 6:10 am

Allegiant A319 N312NV just ferried GSO to AZA to begin active service.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N312NV

jgcotter · Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:09 am

Allegiant A319 N337NV just ferried GYR to AZA to begin active service.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N337NV

ctrabs0114 · Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:30 pm

Looks like G4's ferry flights to the US from Airbus run STN (London Stanstead)-KEF-BGR (Bangor)-GSO with refueling stops at KEF and BGR. Is GSO a major base for G4?

rajincajun01 · Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:06 pm

GSO is a maintenance base for several carriers. AS uses it as well. They frequently fly to RDU, DTW, etc and then ferry over to GSO.

jgcotter · Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:58 pm

Allegiant MD-80 N404NV is en route from LAS to VCV for retirement. 34 MD-80s on property now at Allegiant.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N404NV

jgcotter · Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:59 pm

Allegiant MD-83 N406NV is en route from SFB to VCV for retirement. 33 MD-80s on property now at Allegiant.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N406NV

NWADTWE16 · Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:55 pm

Their season ops for this particular snow-bird season at PGD have been nothing short of extra-ordinary. Has to be their largest operation to date for the small airport. I can tell there are way more birds around too, and by that I mean the ones transported by G4 not the planes themselves. Posted an update on their huge, controversial project down here as well.

jgcotter · Sat Mar 31, 2018 11:01 pm

Allegiant MD-80 N427NV is en route from LAS to VCV for retirement. 32 MD-80s on property now at Allegiant.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N427NV

BTVB6Flyer · Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:54 pm

PIE-BNA starting 6/14/2018.

2x weekly, year round.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/a ... _166976326

TYSflyer · Tue Apr 03, 2018 1:26 pm

BTVB6Flyer wrote:
PIE-BNA starting 6/14/2018.

2x weekly, year round.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/a ... _166976326

They are also adding:
BNA-SYR
MYR-MCI

southwest1675 · Tue Apr 03, 2018 1:28 pm

I'm curious to see if Southwest will respond to G4 entering the Nashville market.

Jshank83 · Tue Apr 03, 2018 1:33 pm

BNA-SYR is an interesting one.

jgcotter · Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:34 am

Allegiant A320 N258NV just ferried SAL to SFB to begin active service.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N258NV

klm617 · Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:30 am

Detroit City Airport fits perfectly into the Allegiant business plan and that's where they need to go next.

UWPAviation · Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:26 pm

I'm curious to see if southwest and frontier will respond with Allegiant in Milwaukee.

Both frontier and southwest fly to virtually every destination Allegiant is serving and has been flying to those areas for years now. I mean Pheonix has southwest, frontier and American flying there. Now Allegiant? It will be interesting to see how they do.

jgcotter · Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:23 pm

Allegiant A320 N240NV is en route from to GSO to PIE for entry into active service. 31 x A320 on property now at Allegiant.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N240NV

jgcotter · Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:14 pm

jgcotter wrote:
Allegiant A320 N240NV is en route from to GSO to PIE for entry into active service. 31 x A320 on property now at Allegiant.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N240NV

Correction; 32 x A320 on property now at Allegiant.

jgcotter · Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:19 pm

Allegiant A319 N316NV is en route from GSO to PIE for entry into active service. 29 x A319 on property now at Allegiant.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N316NV

jgcotter · Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:04 pm

Allegiant MD-83 N865GA just landed from LAS to VCV for retirement. 31 x MD-80 on property now at Allegiant.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N865GA

jgcotter · Fri May 04, 2018 9:51 pm

Allegiant A319 N319NV is en route from GSO to LAS for entry into active service. 30 x A319 on property now at Allegiant.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N319NV

dc10lover · Fri May 04, 2018 11:18 pm

Pasco, Washington to Phoenix - Mesa has been the larger A320 while Las Vegas has been an MD80. Probably soon to be returned and replaced by an A319.

lightsaber · Fri May 04, 2018 11:58 pm

jgcotter wrote:
Allegiant A319 N319NV is en route from GSO to LAS for entry into active service. 30 x A319 on property now at Allegiant.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N319NV

I find your updates facinating.
So:
Qty 32 A320 at G4
Qty 31 MD-80
Qty 30 A319.

Wow.... Soon we will see the MD-80 as the least common type in the fleet. The US built A320 are starting assembly. A319s are available fairly cheap, at almost scrap value for the era Allegiant buys.

My question is when does G4 buy NEOs? I am of the opinion that they have matured to the point where their network could support 12 to 15 NEOs more profitable than CEOs as well as the new CEOs on order. Just to be clear, I believe over the next 20 years their aircraft purchases should mostly be used. I simply believe in today's environment they could get a good enough deal to make even more profit with a limited quantity of NEOs, find enough routes where the new CEOs are more profitable than the used A320s in the fleet, and continue buying used A319 and A320s at the right pricing.

But not for delivery prior to 2021.

I also believe they would be offered differal terms safe enough to eliminate risk.

Lightsaber

727LOVER · Sat May 05, 2018 3:00 am

How many deliveries for the rest of this year & next year?

FATFlyer · Sat May 05, 2018 4:34 am

Allegiant plans to retire the MDs in November.

At the end of 2018 the fleet is planned to be 82 aircraft:
32 A319s (156 seat configuration)
27 A320s (186 seat configuration)
23 A320s (177 seat configuration)

At the end of 2019 the fleet is planned to be at 100 aircraft:
37 A319s (156 seat configuration)
38 A320s (186 seat configuration)
25 A320s (177 seat configuration)

Sean-SAN- · Sat May 05, 2018 4:54 am

lightsaber wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
Allegiant A319 N319NV is en route from GSO to LAS for entry into active service. 30 x A319 on property now at Allegiant.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N319NV

I find your updates facinating.
So:
Qty 32 A320 at G4
Qty 31 MD-80
Qty 30 A319.

Wow.... Soon we will see the MD-80 as the least common type in the fleet. The US built A320 are starting assembly. A319s are available fairly cheap, at almost scrap value for the era Allegiant buys.

My question is when does G4 buy NEOs? I am of the opinion that they have matured to the point where their network could support 12 to 15 NEOs more profitable than CEOs as well as the new CEOs on order. Just to be clear, I believe over the next 20 years their aircraft purchases should mostly be used. I simply believe in today's environment they could get a good enough deal to make even more profit with a limited quantity of NEOs, find enough routes where the new CEOs are more profitable than the used A320s in the fleet, and continue buying used A319 and A320s at the right pricing.

But not for delivery prior to 2021.

I also believe they would be offered differal terms safe enough to eliminate risk.

Lightsaber

I think Maury personally said during a past earnings call that there'll be no more brand new aircraft purchases. I personally think it would be awesome to get a subfleet of 321LR's to do PIE/SFB to western Europe 2x weekly... it's within the range of the new LR and would be ideal fleet utilization.

william · Sat May 05, 2018 5:24 am

I think it will just a matter of time before AUS-Mesa is announced. Connecting the dots.

727LOVER · Sat May 05, 2018 12:29 pm

FATFlyer wrote:
Allegiant plans to retire the MDs in November.

At the end of 2018 the fleet is planned to be 82 aircraft:
32 A319s (156 seat configuration)
27 A320s (186 seat configuration)
23 A320s (177 seat configuration)

At the end of 2019 the fleet is planned to be at 100 aircraft:
37 A319s (156 seat configuration)
38 A320s (186 seat configuration)
25 A320s (177 seat configuration)

Thanx for that.

OK, now I assume that most deliveries this year will be to get the MD-80s out the door.
So next year with 18 aircraft coming, I'm hoping SRQ will get quite an expansion.

FATFlyer · Sat May 05, 2018 4:29 pm

727LOVER wrote:
FATFlyer wrote:
Allegiant plans to retire the MDs in November.

At the end of 2018 the fleet is planned to be 82 aircraft:
32 A319s (156 seat configuration)
27 A320s (186 seat configuration)
23 A320s (177 seat configuration)

At the end of 2019 the fleet is planned to be at 100 aircraft:
37 A319s (156 seat configuration)
38 A320s (186 seat configuration)
25 A320s (177 seat configuration)

Thanx for that.

OK, now I assume that most deliveries this year will be to get the MD-80s out the door.
So next year with 18 aircraft coming, I'm hoping SRQ will get quite an expansion.

Yes they are simply trying to get the MDs retired this year. They sped up the retirement plan, it was originally going to another 12-18 months out.

Allegiant will actually finish 2018 with 7 fewer aircraft than at the end of 2017. But they have been able to get increased utilization out of the A319s/A320sj compared to the MDs. That should eliminate/minimize any impact the smaller fleet might have on this winter's schedule.

The 18 aircraft being added in 2019 does look like a very large growth year for the company.

F9Animal · Sat May 05, 2018 4:42 pm

Sean-SAN- wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
Allegiant A319 N319NV is en route from GSO to LAS for entry into active service. 30 x A319 on property now at Allegiant.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N319NV

I find your updates facinating.
So:
Qty 32 A320 at G4
Qty 31 MD-80
Qty 30 A319.

Wow.... Soon we will see the MD-80 as the least common type in the fleet. The US built A320 are starting assembly. A319s are available fairly cheap, at almost scrap value for the era Allegiant buys.

My question is when does G4 buy NEOs? I am of the opinion that they have matured to the point where their network could support 12 to 15 NEOs more profitable than CEOs as well as the new CEOs on order. Just to be clear, I believe over the next 20 years their aircraft purchases should mostly be used. I simply believe in today's environment they could get a good enough deal to make even more profit with a limited quantity of NEOs, find enough routes where the new CEOs are more profitable than the used A320s in the fleet, and continue buying used A319 and A320s at the right pricing.

But not for delivery prior to 2021.

I also believe they would be offered differal terms safe enough to eliminate risk.

Lightsaber

I think Maury personally said during a past earnings call that there'll be no more brand new aircraft purchases. I personally think it would be awesome to get a subfleet of 321LR's to do PIE/SFB to western Europe 2x weekly... it's within the range of the new LR and would be ideal fleet utilization.

I am surprised G4 hasnt kicked tires on the 321. I am bummed out that the 757 didn't do well for them, and Hawaii was a flop. But yes, the 321 seems to be doing good for Spirit and Frontier. I wouldn't be surprised if we dont see some 321's in G4's future.

On a side note, it seems that G4 is doing better with staying out of the spotlight on mechanical and emergency landings lately. Is the reduction of MD-80 flying key to this? I am looking forward to seeing posts about the last G4 MD-80 flight. I might have to arrange a flight on one before they are gone.

lightsaber · Sat May 05, 2018 5:29 pm

Sean-SAN- wrote:
I think Maury personally said during a past earnings call that there'll be no more brand new aircraft purchases. I personally think it would be awesome to get a subfleet of 321LR's to do PIE/SFB to western Europe 2x weekly... it's within the range of the new LR and would be ideal fleet utilization.

I'm not allowed an alternate universe?

In all seriousness, I think there is a business case. If Allegiant wants to be sensible and keep debt low... sheesh! Following a successful business strategy... sheesh, don't they know my power as an armchair CEO? :banghead:

FATFlyer wrote:

Yes they are simply trying to get the MDs retired this year. They sped up the retirement plan, it was originally going to another 12-18 months out.

Allegiant will actually finish 2018 with 7 fewer aircraft than at the end of 2017. But they have been able to get increased utilization out of the A319s/A320sj compared to the MDs. That should eliminate/minimize any impact the smaller fleet might have on this winter's schedule.

The 18 aircraft being added in 2019 does look like a very large growth year for the company.

I'm amazed by the higher Airbus utilization rate. For that implies the CASM is low enough to take the RASM hit of not flying at prefered times.

F9Animal wrote:
I am surprised G4 hasnt kicked tires on the 321. I am bummed out that the 757 didn't do well for them, and Hawaii was a flop. But yes, the 321 seems to be doing good for Spirit and Frontier. I wouldn't be surprised if we dont see some 321's in G4's future.

On a side note, it seems that G4 is doing better with staying out of the spotlight on mechanical and emergency landings lately. Is the reduction of MD-80 flying key to this? I am looking forward to seeing posts about the last G4 MD-80 flight. I might have to arrange a flight on one before they are gone.

I speculate it is just too early for the A321. Not enough are on the secondary market to depress pricing. Due to the lower CASM vs. smaller Airbus aircraft, they should be retaining value more. I speculate that G4 needs to buy a batch of them for fleet commonality.

Possibly if G4 does buy new, A321NEO?

OK, in all seriousness, despite CFM having a better ramp than Pratt, I think perhaps some late A321CEOs would be attractive. In my opinion the used A321 market isn't mature enough for G4.

Lightsaber

Sean-SAN- · Sat May 05, 2018 7:42 pm

Allegiant mgmt has also said in public statements that the 321 is too big for current operations, which may or may not be true.. the 757 often went out full and was great for charters. But it might not be worth the hassle of adding an additional fleet type. However, if they had a subfleet of 321LR's for Florida-Western Europe, they could also rotate them on domestic legs as well.

deltadudejg · Sat May 05, 2018 8:25 pm

From what I've been told is LAS will be all Airbus somewhere between this month and the end of next. With that I'm hoping to see LAS-PIE/SFB they could use to for fleet rotation. With the addition of PIE-BNA, we are dropping PIE-MSY due to low load factors. There have been a good mix of rumors though on their next plans to grow. Albeit not verifiable and clearly both ends of the spectrum but originally there was supposed to remain a steady growth like they have been but more recently I had heard that route expansion and additional aircraft to PIE would be held where it is, most likely due to our construction. I am as well curious to see where G4 goes with SRQ, they are one of the more expensive airports to operate out of in Florida in terms of PFC, they are somewhere around the $10 mark where Tampa I believe was at about $6 or $7 and PIE is almost $2. As many airports would SRQ gave Allegiant an incentive to fly into there and only time will tell what the airline will do once those incentives are up.

FWAERJ · Sat May 05, 2018 8:49 pm

deltadudejg wrote:
I am as well curious to see where G4 goes with SRQ, they are one of the more expensive airports to operate out of in Florida in terms of PFC, they are somewhere around the $10 mark where Tampa I believe was at about $6 or $7 and PIE is almost $2. As many airports would SRQ gave Allegiant an incentive to fly into there and only time will tell what the airline will do once those incentives are up.

However, it should be noted that the only reason why SRQ's fees are so high are because of the WN/FL merger. Before that happened, SRQ was cheaper for an airline to operate out of than TPA. They only raised the fees after FL left to cover the costs of operating the airport's pax ops.

But I, too, will be interested to see where G4 takes SRQ. Their decision to do it and CHS in a test-market fashion from the three Midwestern bases (CVG, IND, PIT) was a smart one that minimizes risk to the airline. G4 can see how things develop on SRQ/CHS to IND/PIT/CVG before committing to an Airbus at each base the same way that consumer product manufacturers test products in test markets. If SRQ and CHS don't work for G4, they don't have to close any bases even after pulling out - which G4 is never afraid to do if a route doesn't work. And I can see G4 doing other, similar test market routes from CVG/IND/PIT.

jgcotter · Sat May 05, 2018 10:10 pm

Allegiant MD-88 N412NV just landed from SFB to VCV for retirement. 30 x MD-80 on property now at Allegiant.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N412NV

spinkid · Sat May 05, 2018 10:44 pm

lightsaber wrote:
Sean-SAN- wrote:

I speculate it is just too early for the A321. Not enough are on the secondary market to depress pricing. Due to the lower CASM vs. smaller Airbus aircraft, they should be retaining value more. I speculate that G4 needs to buy a batch of them for fleet commonality.

Possibly if G4 does buy new, A321NEO? OK, in all seriousness, despite CFM having a better ramp than Pratt, I think perhaps some late A321CEOs would be attractive. In my opinion the used A321 market isn't mature enough for G4.

Lightsaber

I was thinking the same thing. There just aren't enough A321's on the second hand market that are priced right for G4. They got a very good deal on the new Airbus planes that were "end of the line". They seem quite happy to buy used and fly them as much as they can like they did with the MD-80's for as long as they could.

heretothere · Sat May 05, 2018 11:20 pm

Sean-SAN- wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
Allegiant A319 N319NV is en route from GSO to LAS for entry into active service. 30 x A319 on property now at Allegiant.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N319NV

I find your updates facinating.
So:
Qty 32 A320 at G4
Qty 31 MD-80
Qty 30 A319.

Wow.... Soon we will see the MD-80 as the least common type in the fleet. The US built A320 are starting assembly. A319s are available fairly cheap, at almost scrap value for the era Allegiant buys.

My question is when does G4 buy NEOs? I am of the opinion that they have matured to the point where their network could support 12 to 15 NEOs more profitable than CEOs as well as the new CEOs on order. Just to be clear, I believe over the next 20 years their aircraft purchases should mostly be used. I simply believe in today's environment they could get a good enough deal to make even more profit with a limited quantity of NEOs, find enough routes where the new CEOs are more profitable than the used A320s in the fleet, and continue buying used A319 and A320s at the right pricing.

But not for delivery prior to 2021.

I also believe they would be offered differal terms safe enough to eliminate risk.

Lightsaber

I think Maury personally said during a past earnings call that there'll be no more brand new aircraft purchases.

Apparently that's not the case as G4 ordered one more new 320 in April:

http://www.airbus.com/aircraft/market/o ... eries.html

deltadudejg · Sun May 06, 2018 12:20 am

FWAERJ wrote:
deltadudejg wrote:
I am as well curious to see where G4 goes with SRQ, they are one of the more expensive airports to operate out of in Florida in terms of PFC, they are somewhere around the $10 mark where Tampa I believe was at about $6 or $7 and PIE is almost $2. As many airports would SRQ gave Allegiant an incentive to fly into there and only time will tell what the airline will do once those incentives are up.

However, it should be noted that the only reason why SRQ's fees are so high are because of the WN/FL merger. Before that happened, SRQ was cheaper for an airline to operate out of than TPA. They only raised the fees after FL left to cover the costs of operating the airport's pax ops.

But I, too, will be interested to see where G4 takes SRQ. Their decision to do it and CHS in a test-market fashion from the three Midwestern bases (CVG, IND, PIT) was a smart one that minimizes risk to the airline. G4 can see how things develop on SRQ/CHS to IND/PIT/CVG before committing to an Airbus at each base the same way that consumer product manufacturers test products in test markets. If SRQ and CHS don't work for G4, they don't have to close any bases even after pulling out - which G4 is never afraid to do if a route doesn't work. And I can see G4 doing other, similar test market routes from CVG/IND/PIT.

Completely agree with you. Let's not forget that SRQ also built a shiny brand new control tower. :bigthumbsup:

WeatherPilot · Sun May 06, 2018 12:32 am

I wonder if the 4 MD-82's that ValueJet used were ever used by G4.

lightsaber · Sun May 06, 2018 1:13 am

heretothere wrote:
Sean-SAN- wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
I find your updates facinating.
So:
Qty 32 A320 at G4
Qty 31 MD-80
Qty 30 A319.

Wow.... Soon we will see the MD-80 as the least common type in the fleet. The US built A320 are starting assembly. A319s are available fairly cheap, at almost scrap value for the era Allegiant buys.

My question is when does G4 buy NEOs? I am of the opinion that they have matured to the point where their network could support 12 to 15 NEOs more profitable than CEOs as well as the new CEOs on order. Just to be clear, I believe over the next 20 years their aircraft purchases should mostly be used. I simply believe in today's environment they could get a good enough deal to make even more profit with a limited quantity of NEOs, find enough routes where the new CEOs are more profitable than the used A320s in the fleet, and continue buying used A319 and A320s at the right pricing.

But not for delivery prior to 2021.

I also believe they would be offered differal terms safe enough to eliminate risk.

Lightsaber

I think Maury personally said during a past earnings call that there'll be no more brand new aircraft purchases.

Apparently that's not the case as G4 ordered one more new 320 in April:

http://www.airbus.com/aircraft/market/o ... eries.html

Judging by the number of CEOs sold, both engine vendors are hedging NEO engine production by planning more CEOs.

I'm sure the no more new was part of price and terns negotiations.

It is mind blowing how long the new CEOs will probably fly for G4. 30+ years is a reasonable estimate. The first dozen years in high utilization. The next dozen in moderate utilization. The final years as peaking aircraft.

I wouldn't expect a NEO order in 2018, but I remain convinced that G4 has a good business case to buy 12 to 15 NEO A320. But only for the right price.

I won't be surprised is a handful more new CEOs are purchased too. I wonder if G4 took puts like Delta did with the 739. With a put option, the vendor can force a sale, but usually at a nice 15% to 20% further discount.

Lightsaber

deltadudejg · Sun May 06, 2018 1:39 am

WeatherPilot wrote:
I wonder if the 4 MD-82's that ValueJet used were ever used by G4.

According to what AirFleets shows, they werent.

http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Valu ... y-md80.htm

jgcotter · Sun May 06, 2018 2:43 am

WeatherPilot wrote:
I wonder if the 4 MD-82's that ValueJet used were ever used by G4.

No, they weren’t.

viewtopic.php?t=159103

FATFlyer · Sun May 06, 2018 4:50 am

lightsaber wrote:

I'm amazed by the higher Airbus utilization rate. For that implies the CASM is low enough to take the RASM hit of not flying at prefered times.

This February management presentation put the MD utilization at about 5 blockhours per day, the Airbus fleet at about 7.
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External.File?item=UGFyZW50SUQ9Njg3OTc2fENoaWxkSUQ9Mzk4MjU4fFR5cGU9MQ==&t=1
Lots of numbers in the presentation.

jgcotter · Wed May 16, 2018 11:16 pm

Allegiant MD-83 N869GA is en route from SFB to VCV for retirement. 29 x MD-80 on property now at Allegiant.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N869GA

jgcotter · Fri May 18, 2018 1:56 am

Allegiant A319 N335NV is en route from GYR to LAS for entry into active service. 31 x A319 on property now at Allegiant.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N335NV

TYSflyer · Fri May 18, 2018 3:44 pm

Question for those more in the know about Allegiant? I was perusing the recent schedule extension for G4. Starting in early November most all of the G4 flights from TYS appear to originate and end in TYS. The only exceptions I have found are busy travel days around holidays. It appears there are 2 frames running the schedule from TYS. However, there has been no mention of a new base here. What are your all’s thoughts? A scheduling error, temporary base or permanent base that has yet to be announced?

Midwestindy · Fri May 18, 2018 3:51 pm

TYSflyer wrote:
Question for those more in the know about Allegiant? I was perusing the recent schedule extension for G4. Starting in early November most all of the G4 flights from TYS appear to originate and end in TYS. The only exceptions I have found are busy travel days around holidays. It appears there are 2 frames running the schedule from TYS. However, there has been no mention of a new base here. What are your all’s thoughts? A scheduling error, temporary base or permanent base that has yet to be announced?

TYS is supposed to be the next G4 base, starting in November with 2 a/c. Hasn't been announced yet, but probably will be soon.

william · Fri May 18, 2018 3:59 pm

TYSflyer wrote:
Question for those more in the know about Allegiant? I was perusing the recent schedule extension for G4. Starting in early November most all of the G4 flights from TYS appear to originate and end in TYS. The only exceptions I have found are busy travel days around holidays. It appears there are 2 frames running the schedule from TYS. However, there has been no mention of a new base here. What are your all’s thoughts? A scheduling error, temporary base or permanent base that has yet to be announced?

Per this pilot forum, TYS starts this November with two planes. Scroll to the middle.

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/alle ... ses-2.html

TYSflyer · Fri May 18, 2018 4:28 pm

william wrote:
TYSflyer wrote:
Question for those more in the know about Allegiant? I was perusing the recent schedule extension for G4. Starting in early November most all of the G4 flights from TYS appear to originate and end in TYS. The only exceptions I have found are busy travel days around holidays. It appears there are 2 frames running the schedule from TYS. However, there has been no mention of a new base here. What are your all’s thoughts? A scheduling error, temporary base or permanent base that has yet to be announced?

Per this pilot forum, TYS starts this November with two planes. Scroll to the middle.

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/alle ... ses-2.html

Midwestindy wrote:
TYSflyer wrote:
Question for those more in the know about Allegiant? I was perusing the recent schedule extension for G4. Starting in early November most all of the G4 flights from TYS appear to originate and end in TYS. The only exceptions I have found are busy travel days around holidays. It appears there are 2 frames running the schedule from TYS. However, there has been no mention of a new base here. What are your all’s thoughts? A scheduling error, temporary base or permanent base that has yet to be announced?

TYS is supposed to be the next G4 base, starting in November with 2 a/c. Hasn't been announced yet, but probably will be soon.

Thank you both. I am quite excited about this. Midwestindy, do you notice a lot of idol time for their aircraft at their base in IND? Right now, if schedule holds true at TYS, there will be no flying on Tuesday and only 1 flight on Wednesday in January. Granted this is during their low season. Maybe they do maintenance these days?

freakyrat · Fri May 18, 2018 5:23 pm

deltadudejg wrote:
From what I've been told is LAS will be all Airbus somewhere between this month and the end of next. With that I'm hoping to see LAS-PIE/SFB they could use to for fleet rotation. With the addition of PIE-BNA, we are dropping PIE-MSY due to low load factors. There have been a good mix of rumors though on their next plans to grow. Albeit not verifiable and clearly both ends of the spectrum but originally there was supposed to remain a steady growth like they have been but more recently I had heard that route expansion and additional aircraft to PIE would be held where it is, most likely due to our construction. I am as well curious to see where G4 goes with SRQ, they are one of the more expensive airports to operate out of in Florida in terms of PFC, they are somewhere around the $10 mark where Tampa I believe was at about $6 or $7 and PIE is almost $2. As many airports would SRQ gave Allegiant an incentive to fly into there and only time will tell what the airline will do once those incentives are up.

SBN-LAS which is one of Allegiant's longest routes is now operating with an Airbus A319 and now SBN-IWA is sometimes upgraded to an A320 from an A319. the SFB flight is the only one left on an MD80 and both SBN and MYR are working to get seasonal service started between the two as there is a demand for the route.

csweet · Fri May 18, 2018 6:16 pm

Are there any new routes scheduled to be announced in the near future?

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