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"To mark the start of a new daily service from London Gatwick to New York City, low-cost airline, Norwegian Air Shuttle is challenging European travelers to explore the Big Apple in just one day.  If you should take the airline up on the challenge, you’ll be left with 14 hours to explore all the major sights in this famous East Coast city."

"The new service departs London Gatwick in the early morning, arriving into New York JFK between 8.50am to 10 am.  Your return red-eye flight takes off at 11 pm, landing back into Gatwick at 11 am the following day.  Norwegian describes their new schedule as being" “perfect for a weekend break.”

DY LGW-JFK early AM schedule:

Monday, Tuesday & Friday 05:50AM -->08:50AM
Thursday 06:45AM -->09:45AM
Saturday 05:35AM -->08:35AM
Sunday 07:00 -->10:00AM
Daily LGW-JFK PM Schedule 17:05 -->20:05

DY JFK-LGW AM schedule:

Daily 11:15AM -->11:15PM
Daily JFK-LGW PM Schedule 22:00 -->11:00AM

How many 787-8s and -9s has DY taken delivery of this year so far,
and how many more are to be delivered.

How many flights a day between AA and BA are offered to LHR on similar schedules
and how many from Virgin and Delta in the same market.

That would be cool if they ran a tour bus service across the city. Like a hop-on hop-off thing they do in most touristy areas. Pretty cool idea, disregarding the fact that you will be spending more time on a plane than on the ground.

AA/BA don't have anything that leaves LHR that early. The earliest departure from LHR appears to be an 8:30am BA flight. AA and BA each do have one daytime (non-redeye) flight from JFK to LHR

The earliest VS/DL departure from LHR is 9:05am. VS does run one daytime (non-redeye) flight JFK-LHR.

Now *YOU* (yes, you) can see the amazing customs and TSA facilities of JFK Terminal 1, conveniently 17 miles ... or a 2 hour ride by car which you don't time for ... from where YOU really want to be.

Make sure to use your hashtags when you post to social media.

stlgph wrote:

Now *YOU* (yes, you) can see the amazing customs and TSA facilities of JFK Terminal 1, conveniently 17 miles ... or a 2 hour ride by car which you don't time for ... from where YOU really want to be.

Arrive JFK at 08:50
Immigration queue 1 hour (typically lesser), out of terminal 10:00
AirTrain to Jamaica, connect to LIRR to Penn Station according to Google Maps 52 min (I do this every time I land at JFK, and it is accurate) 11:00

For your return flight, assuming you don't have checked baggage on a day trip and already have boarding pass on mobile, arriving 90 min before flight is more than enough, so your target is to reach JFK by 21:30
So, leave Penn Station at 20:00 (LIRR->AirTrain + 30 min buffer just in case)

11:00 to 20:00 is pretty good available time to be "where YOU really want to be". You can easily cover Times Square, Grand Central, Central Park, going up to one out of Empire State/WTC/Rockefeller, Wall Street Bull, Staten Island Ferry for views of Statue of Liberty and downtown, and heck if you feel adventurous even a short trip to Intrepid Museum!

Can even get a full day spotting at Teterboro with those times

One slight problem... how to get to Gatwick that early? Fine if you live in London, but if you live anywhere else those flights are way too early. You need a feeder flight to Gatwick in the middle of the night to make the connection to the early flight to New York.

For that reason for me those flights are out of the question, there's no way I can get in Gatwick that early. They're saying Europeans, but they forget that Europe is bigger than London. I live in the Netherlands, my local airport is Amsterdam. Norwegian doesn't fly Amsterdam - Gatwick, not even during the daytime let alone at night. The flights out of Gatwick are useless to me.

KiloRomeoDelta wrote:

stlgph wrote:

Now *YOU* (yes, you) can see the amazing customs and TSA facilities of JFK Terminal 1, conveniently 17 miles ... or a 2 hour ride by car which you don't time for ... from where YOU really want to be.

Arrive JFK at 08:50
Immigration queue 1 hour (typically lesser), out of terminal 10:00
AirTrain to Jamaica, connect to LIRR to Penn Station according to Google Maps 52 min (I do this every time I land at JFK, and it is accurate) 11:00

For your return flight, assuming you don't have checked baggage on a day trip and already have boarding pass on mobile, arriving 90 min before flight is more than enough, so your target is to reach JFK by 21:30
So, leave Penn Station at 20:00 (LIRR->AirTrain + 30 min buffer just in case)

11:00 to 20:00 is pretty good available time to be "where YOU really want to be". You can easily cover Times Square, Grand Central, Central Park, going up to one out of Empire State/WTC/Rockefeller, Wall Street Bull, Staten Island Ferry for views of Statue of Liberty and downtown, and heck if you feel adventurous even a short trip to Intrepid Museum!

You don't really do Terminal 1 or NY public transportation often, do you?

And if they have a 6 hour delay, which isnt that unusual,you will have less 6 hours in NYC..you will probably not even be able to go to the city, since you will have to be at the airport 2-3 hours before departure....ohhhh, did I mention rebooking or passenger service ?? not at Norwegian...

If you can afford to fly to NYC for shopping, you can afford to spend the night. This idea is stupid. No wonder their financial results are so poor...

Seems like such intelligent aircraft utilization.

No, not really.

sas931 wrote:

And if they have a 6 hour delay, which isnt that unusual,you will have less 6 hours in NYC..you will probably not even be able to go to the city, since you will have to be at the airport 2-3 hours before departure....ohhhh, did I mention rebooking or passenger service ?? not at Norwegian...

To be fair, many criticize LCC's rebooking/passenger services but some of my worst service/rebooking has been with AA, DL, and UA.

Apparently only your money cares to them, not your plans, other flights you have to catch, or your schedule.

I live in London and have done far more than my fair share of day trips. I've done London-Heraklion-London in a day trip, and have just done a London-Berlin-London day trip yesterday (got home from Berlin about 20 mins ago, having left home 21 hours ago) but London-NYC-London seems just a bit too far to contemplate for a day (or rather, a day+night) trip. Would give awfully good bragging rights though when walking into the office on Monday morning to the question 'how was your weekend ?'

AirbusMDCFAN wrote:

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"To mark the start of a new daily service from London Gatwick to New York City, low-cost airline, Norwegian Air Shuttle is challenging European travelers to explore the Big Apple in just one day.  If you should take the airline up on the challenge, you’ll be left with 14 hours to explore all the major sights in this famous East Coast city."

"The new service departs London Gatwick in the early morning, arriving into New York JFK between 8.50am to 10 am.  Your return red-eye flight takes off at 11 pm, landing back into Gatwick at 11 am the following day.  Norwegian describes their new schedule as being" “perfect for a weekend break.”

DY LGW-JFK early AM schedule:

Monday, Tuesday & Friday 05:50AM -->08:50AM
Thursday 06:45AM -->09:45AM
Saturday 05:35AM -->08:35AM
Sunday 07:00 -->10:00AM
Daily LGW-JFK PM Schedule 17:05 -->20:05

DY JFK-LGW AM schedule:

Daily 11:15AM -->11:15PM
Daily JFK-LGW PM Schedule 22:00 -->11:00AM

How many 787-8s and -9s has DY taken delivery of this year so far,
and how many more are to be delivered.

How many flights a day between AA and BA are offered to LHR on similar schedules
and how many from Virgin and Delta in the same market.

Hmm, I'm not feeling that!. Sounds like a non-revers dream though, nice quick turn around (if they can get - well whatever their premium cabin is). Honestly someone else already said it above. If you can afford to fly to NYC from the UK, you can afford one night of hotel.

It is a good evolution.
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4+ hours in an airport, 18+ on a plane, 12+ running around NYC like a chicken with you head cut off, trying to sleep in a 17" wide 787 seat..

Sounds like a nightmare.

LAXLHR wrote:

AirbusMDCFAN wrote:

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If you can afford to fly to NYC from the UK, you can afford one night of hotel.

I sort of disagree, they are marketing towards the people who WANT to be that rich but aren't.

Its a typical kind of marketing gimmick to get news about their route. I imagine the departues and the slots were cheaper to obtain at those hours.

I sympathize with those who can't get to Gatwick easily. Perhaps you could fly to Gatwick, spend a day/night there and then fly off for one day in NYC.

Maybe in my younger days I would have done this. I think I'm just too old now. lol.

Contrary to popular belief, not all hotels in NYC are that expensive.

But it you want to take your chance on a really good screw out of 700 bucks, you'll get better results with an escort.

Varsity1 wrote:

4+ hours in an airport, 18+ on a plane, 12+ running around NYC like a chicken with you head cut off, trying to sleep in a 17" wide 787 seat..

Sounds like a nightmare.

Sounds like a typical UA flight after they cancel a flight out of EWR two days in a row.

KiloRomeoDelta wrote:

For your return flight, assuming you don't have checked baggage on a day trip and already have boarding pass on mobile, arriving 90 min before flight is more than enough, so your target is to reach JFK by 21:30
So, leave Penn Station at 20:00 (LIRR->AirTrain + 30 min buffer just in case)

Yeah - that's given Norwegian even has mobile boarding pass out of JFK. Last time I flew with them they did not. And one more - after you pay for your meal/bags it will be more than BA. I wouldn't fly them again if there is a BA ticket available for comparable amount.

PatrickZ80 wrote:

One slight problem... how to get to Gatwick that early? Fine if you live in London, but if you live anywhere else those flights are way too early. You need a feeder flight to Gatwick in the middle of the night to make the connection to the early flight to New York.

For that reason for me those flights are out of the question, there's no way I can get in Gatwick that early. They're saying Europeans, but they forget that Europe is bigger than London. I live in the Netherlands, my local airport is Amsterdam. Norwegian doesn't fly Amsterdam - Gatwick, not even during the daytime let alone at night. The flights out of Gatwick are useless to me.

I flew from NYC to AMS with Norwegian via LGW. I booked separate tickets on Norwegian and EasyJet. Would try my best to avoid this sorts of things again.

Very dumb idea. To go to NY from Europe is a still a big deal. Why do it in this rushed and tiresome manner ?
Wouldn't be fun at all !!
Count me out.

sas931 wrote:

And if they have a 6 hour delay, which isnt that unusual,you will have less 6 hours in NYC..you will probably not even be able to go to the city, since you will have to be at the airport 2-3 hours before departure....ohhhh, did I mention rebooking or passenger service ?? not at Norwegian...

If they have a 6 hours delay, yes. However, that rarely happens. Every time I flew Norwegian the plane was perfectly on time, never once had a delay with them. Of course it can happen, but not just with Norwegian. It can happen with any airline.

anrec80 wrote:

Yeah - that's given Norwegian even has mobile boarding pass out of JFK. Last time I flew with them they did not. And one more - after you pay for your meal/bags it will be more than BA. I wouldn't fly them again if there is a BA ticket available for comparable amount.

You are aware that BA isn't that great anymore either? Lately there was an article about BA extending their buy-on-board program to their long haul fleet. Of course if you pay for your meal and bags it'll be more than BA, but here's the thing. You don't have to pay for it. You're only in New York for a day, so why bring any checked luggage? No pay for it either. And if you bring a couple of sandwiches in your hand luggage you don't have to pay for a meal. That's the way I did it when I flew with them. No luggage, no meals, just the basic fare.

anrec80 wrote:

I flew from NYC to AMS with Norwegian via LGW. I booked separate tickets on Norwegian and EasyJet. Would try my best to avoid this sorts of things again.

So do I, certainly at Gatwick where you pay the APD if you self-transfer. An arranged transfer could settle that, but then you need a feeder flight which doesn't exist. At other airports there's nothing wrong with a self-transfer.

A guy I know flew Eindhoven - Copenhagen - New York and back that way. Eindhoven - Copenhagen on Transavia and Copenhagen - New York on Norwegian. That's perfectly doable. From the Netherlands Copenhagen seems to be a better (cheaper) transfer airport than Gatwick.

PatrickZ80 wrote:

One slight problem... how to get to Gatwick that early?

Fly in the day before?

PatrickZ80 wrote:

For that reason for me those flights are out of the question, there's no way I can get in Gatwick that early. (...) I live in the Netherlands, my local airport is Amsterdam.

I also live in the Netherlands, about three hours away from Schiphol by public transport. Many flights there leave in the morning. Are those useless to me? No, I just travel to the airport the day before.

LON-AMS-LON a really nice day out just about the right distance to make the trip meaningful.

I think 2nd point within marketing as to weekends is key.

With the early morning and late night if you were to stay only one night in New York would get so much packed in. Could take a Friday off work have 2 full days in NYC and have Sunday at home to recover read fir work Monday morning.

Certainly better position than one flight leaving within2-3 hrs of other gives a traveller real choice.

I think 2nd point within marketing as to weekends is key.

With the early morning and late night if you were to stay only one night in New York would get so much packed in. Could take a Friday off work have 2 full days in NYC and have Sunday at home to recover read fir work Monday morning.

Certainly better position than one flight leaving within2-3 hrs of other gives a traveller real choice.

When Singapore Airlines flew from Amsterdam to New York they advertised a similar day trip. I remember a report from someone who did it. I believe their 747 left Amsterdam at 8 am and returned late pm from New York. This was probably twenty years ago. So nothing new here.

I think the interesting thing is now Norwegian has a daytime eastbound transatlantic flight. 11pm arrival to LGW is a little late, but it is another daytime option. I think people may choose this flight who don't like the short overnight red eye flight in economy. If you can't sleep on planes the daytime transatlantic is a good option. UA, AA, BA etc have been flying it for years.

I've taken the 8.30am BA flight to JFK and the day is really hard going by the time you get to the early evening New York time.

The only way this service would work if it was a form of reverse "Sleeper Service" that airlines operate in business class on the evening East Coast departures to LHR.

If you're going to fly to New York, book one of the ~30 flights a day at a civilised time, make time for New York and enjoy a relaxed journey from door to door.

Aer Lingus operated a morning flight to JFK for a few summer seasons recently, it departed DUB at 07:50 and arrived at 10:20 local time. It was also marketed as a day trip possibility but I think it was slightly tongue in cheek, doubt anybody actually used it for that purpose.

The flight used a 757 so wasn't a huge boost in capacity and apparently did well during the peak summer months but didn't return this year, possibly due to a lack of aircraft available.

stlgph wrote:

KiloRomeoDelta wrote:

stlgph wrote:

Now *YOU* (yes, you) can see the amazing customs and TSA facilities of JFK Terminal 1, conveniently 17 miles ... or a 2 hour ride by car which you don't time for ... from where YOU really want to be.

Arrive JFK at 08:50
Immigration queue 1 hour (typically lesser), out of terminal 10:00
AirTrain to Jamaica, connect to LIRR to Penn Station according to Google Maps 52 min (I do this every time I land at JFK, and it is accurate) 11:00

For your return flight, assuming you don't have checked baggage on a day trip and already have boarding pass on mobile, arriving 90 min before flight is more than enough, so your target is to reach JFK by 21:30
So, leave Penn Station at 20:00 (LIRR->AirTrain + 30 min buffer just in case)

11:00 to 20:00 is pretty good available time to be "where YOU really want to be". You can easily cover Times Square, Grand Central, Central Park, going up to one out of Empire State/WTC/Rockefeller, Wall Street Bull, Staten Island Ferry for views of Statue of Liberty and downtown, and heck if you feel adventurous even a short trip to Intrepid Museum!

You don't really do Terminal 1 or NY public transportation often, do you?

Have you seen Terminal 1 pre 10am???

Dead as a door nail.

Great time to transit.


Great to see JFK now has 4 daylight flights to Eurppe! Love, love, love the daylight flight to Europe!


AF tried and failed a few years ago with a daylight CDG

MartijnNL wrote:

PatrickZ80 wrote:

One slight problem... how to get to Gatwick that early?

Fly in the day before?

PatrickZ80 wrote:

For that reason for me those flights are out of the question, there's no way I can get in Gatwick that early. (...) I live in the Netherlands, my local airport is Amsterdam.

I also live in the Netherlands, about three hours away from Schiphol by public transport. Many flights there leave in the morning. Are those useless to me? No, I just travel to the airport the day before.

Indeed. Go to LGW any day at that early hour and there are tens of thousands of people catching very early flights. To be honest calling the Netherlands part of London Gatwick's catchment area is a bit of stretch, even by airport marketing terms! Those tens of thousands are from London and the South East of England, an area of 20 million residents.

As a schedule it sounds very time efficient for a "chuck a change of clothes in a backpack" weekend break.

The whole "New York in a day" thing is a marketing exercise just like Ryanair and the 1 Euro toilets. It isn't practical, but it's got you all talking about Norwegian and their flights.

It will even generate ticket sales from people who look at the flights, realise it will be a huge strain with the jetlag and stuff, then extend it out using the early start and late return to maximise a short break in NY. Bottom line is, it's captured the consumer's eyeballs.

This is a positive version of Ryanair going negative withe the charge for toilet access story. It's all about eyeballs on the product, all publicity is good publicity etc. Whilst the customer is on the website they will price up flights and if it's a good fare, then book it.

Channex757 wrote:

The whole "New York in a day" thing is a marketing exercise just like Ryanair and the 1 Euro toilets. It isn't practical, but it's got you all talking about Norwegian and their flights.

It will even generate ticket sales from people who look at the flights, realise it will be a huge strain with the jetlag and stuff, then extend it out using the early start and late return to maximise a short break in NY. Bottom line is, it's captured the consumer's eyeballs.

This is a positive version of Ryanair going negative withe the charge for toilet access story. It's all about eyeballs on the product, all publicity is good publicity etc. Whilst the customer is on the website they will price up flights and if it's a good fare, then book it.

some sanity in the conversation!

Super80Fan wrote:

Varsity1 wrote:

4+ hours in an airport, 18+ on a plane, 12+ running around NYC like a chicken with you head cut off, trying to sleep in a 17" wide 787 seat..

Sounds like a nightmare.

Sounds like a typical UA flight after they cancel a flight out of EWR two days in a row.

Maybe you should step back and ask yourself if you have anything to offer before you type. What you describe is not typical, and you're comparing it to what is scheduled on Norwegian. United has several flights a day from Newark to London and will add extra sections when necessary to accommodate. And this thread is not about United, maybe you should speak to someone about your unhealthy obsession.

JFK is not that far from midtown Manhattan.

Get mobile pass, complete your landing details while you are getting to the gates. After you get off the plane, it's probably 5 to 10 minutes through the mobile pass line CBP and another 10 minutes for the customs line. If you have global entry, you can get through customs in 5 minutes.

If you have checked in baggage at this point, may have to wait another 5 minutes for luggage to come out.

If not, get a uber or take air train into manhattan. From curb side using uber to Midtown depending on the time of the day is 30 minutes to an hour. Taking air train to Jamaica station and then E train into 53rd and lexington is about 60 to 75 minutes depending on which terminal you are coming from . From T8 is probably 60 minutes, from T1 is probably 75 minutes.

From there, plenty of options, can visit central park, watch a show, have dinner at restaurant row. And then take this back to airport and fly out.

Easily doable.

Channex757 wrote:

The whole "New York in a day" thing is a marketing exercise just like Ryanair and the 1 Euro toilets. It isn't practical, but it's got you all talking about Norwegian and their flights.

It will even generate ticket sales from people who look at the flights, realise it will be a huge strain with the jetlag and stuff, then extend it out using the early start and late return to maximise a short break in NY. Bottom line is, it's captured the consumer's eyeballs.

This is a positive version of Ryanair going negative withe the charge for toilet access story. It's all about eyeballs on the product, all publicity is good publicity etc. Whilst the customer is on the website they will price up flights and if it's a good fare, then book it.

This^^^^^^^^

It's a great way to get the most time in the city regardless how many days one chooses to stay. Nobody is going to do just one day unless it is just to say they did it, but it's a nice option.

Yakflyer wrote:

It's a great way to get the most time in the city regardless how many days one chooses to stay. Nobody is going to do just one day unless it is just to say they did it, but it's a nice option.

That's what they are aiming for. Saying you could even do it in a day is silly but then again, some will try!

A not inconsiderable number of tickets will get sold to people who do it on a dare, or a sponsored thing for charity. Go to NY, take a selfie in Times Square eating a hotdog, then straight back home on the redeye.

It's a bit of marketing genius that costs Norwegian practically nothing and gets the awareness of their arse crack of dawn flights out there, that do what Concorde used to do and gets you breakfast in New York and a full day to do stuff (well sort of anyway)

usflyer msp wrote:

If you can afford to fly to NYC for shopping, you can afford to spend the night. This idea is stupid. No wonder their financial results are so poor...

You could also say, if you can afford to fly to NYC (for any reason), you don't need to fly a LCC. And yet, lots of people do.
As for the hotel thing, have you seen NYC hotel prices? They can cost more than then the air fare Regardless, it's not about the cost. It's about the cool factor.

Day trips from LGW to NYC are totally doable - plenty of people on a budget who will want to take advantage of it. People underestimate many of Norwegian's decisions i.e. Stewart airport but it is all in the perception of value. If people see it as a good value they would do it.

PatrickZ80 wrote:

One slight problem... how to get to Gatwick that early? Fine if you live in London, but if you live anywhere else those flights are way too early. You need a feeder flight to Gatwick in the middle of the night to make the connection to the early flight to New York.

For that reason for me those flights are out of the question, there's no way I can get in Gatwick that early. They're saying Europeans, but they forget that Europe is bigger than London. I live in the Netherlands, my local airport is Amsterdam. Norwegian doesn't fly Amsterdam - Gatwick, not even during the daytime let alone at night. The flights out of Gatwick are useless to me.

To be honest most of Virgin and BA's flights to the caribbean also make it difficult for people to connect at LGW same day. Hence why a lot of people actually overnight at a hotel in LGW the night before and both airlines have services like twilight check in.

OSUk1d wrote:

Super80Fan wrote:

Varsity1 wrote:

4+ hours in an airport, 18+ on a plane, 12+ running around NYC like a chicken with you head cut off, trying to sleep in a 17" wide 787 seat..

Sounds like a nightmare.

Sounds like a typical UA flight after they cancel a flight out of EWR two days in a row.

Maybe you should step back and ask yourself if you have anything to offer before you type. What you describe is not typical, and you're comparing it to what is scheduled on Norwegian. United has several flights a day from Newark to London and will add extra sections when necessary to accommodate. And this thread is not about United, maybe you should speak to someone about your unhealthy obsession.

This ^^^^ . Some of the folks on here are just straight mental!

New York City really shines at night, and it's a different atmosphere. I'd recommend staying a night or two in a hotel if anyone's considering this. A day trip will be very stressful.

Varsity1 wrote:

4+ hours in an airport, 18+ on a plane, 12+ running around NYC like a chicken with you head cut off, trying to sleep in a 17" wide 787 seat..

Sounds like a nightmare.

18 hours? Not good on geography? Or not good on math...

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NAX7015
LGW-JFK avg 7 hours,

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NAX7014
JFK-LGW avg 6 hours,

Total = 13 hours of flying

295 pax on board the inbound service to LGW last night (landed 20 or so mins early). Is the evening flight (7014?) everyday does anyone know?

Cheers

Ben

CrawleyBen wrote:

295 pax on board the inbound service to LGW last night (landed 20 or so mins early). Is the evening flight (7014?) everyday does anyone know?

Cheers

Ben

Yes, the very first post says both JFK-LGW flights are daily.

bluefltspecial wrote:

Varsity1 wrote:

4+ hours in an airport, 18+ on a plane, 12+ running around NYC like a chicken with you head cut off, trying to sleep in a 17" wide 787 seat..

Sounds like a nightmare.

18 hours? Not good on geography? Or not good on math...

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NAX7015
LGW-JFK avg 7 hours,

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NAX7014
JFK-LGW avg 6 hours,

Total = 13 hours of flying

Right. I'm sure boarding, taxiing, deplaning, and immigration on both ends are done in a matter of seconds.

Short on sleep after a TATL redeye, 14-18 hours is splitting hairs.

Maybe I missed it, but exactly how cheap ARE these flights?