ScottB wrote:WN runs 34 daily departures from ONT to nine destinations including DAL & MDW -- a service pattern like that certainly wouldn't be significantly worse than what they have now and it'd be better than what they had a couple of years ago before B6 management decided to start using all their slots again.
Service to JFK, BOS and FLL are routes that WN simply cannot replicate out of LGB. The idea that flying to Dallas and a daily flight secondary airport in Chicago (between BUR and ONT) is equivalent to 4 daily transcon flights to major east coast destinations (including 2 to JFK) + 2 daily flights to Seattle and Austin each is laughable.
Outside of the new daily flight to FLL, the recent additions out of LGB were to bay area, additional frequencies to LAS, flights to reno, SMF and SLC. Saying that somehow the more exotic destinations were added as a result of using all the slots is completely false
If "a little thing called summer storms keep popping up every day" then it is positively moronic to schedule flights which have only 30 minutes (or less!) of leeway to avoid busting the curfew.
B6 at this point doesn't see much future in LGB. Isn't that pretty clear by now? it's called indifference.
And you think yields at ONT would stay where they currently are if B6 added a couple of dozen new daily flights in the same markets they serve from LGB? Good luck with that! WN won't just walk away from ONT and they have substantial advantages in schedule and frequent flyer loyalty.
"[O]ne gate and slacks in other gates" at BUR is simply inadequate for B6 to replicate the LGB operation. If they can't get aircraft to LGB before the curfew due to ATC/weather delays, you think they're going to be a better job slotting into the gaps in the schedules of other airlines? I don't. Other airlines aren't going to rush to turn their aircraft or tow RONs off the gate to let B6 park. And B6 used to operate something like three daily flights to JFK. They're down to one for a reason. Plus BUR isn't great for transcon flights due to performance limitations in certain wind conditions/runway configurations.
I said cut down on flights out of LGB. I didn't say stop flying out of LGB. Big difference. There is no reason to reward LGB with flights they wouldn't get otherwise. Just treat it like how WN treats LGB, which is another regional airport in LA. One flight to JFK + intra-california routes + LAS, that's all you need.
If you bothered reading the guy who posted the following
I agree. They have one dedicated gate at BUR with one daily to JFK right now. There are a few very underutilized shared gates that B6 could almost match their LGB ops and not be penalized with a curfew violation fine as the curfew at BUR is voluntary
If you go by 9 flights a day per gate with one that's dedicated + 2 or 3 with a lot of slack, that's easily 20+ flights a day, which would match their presence in LGB prior to the recent increase to utilize all the slots.
And guess what, they were profitable when they were flying 20 to 25 daily flights out of LGBs. Now they are not profitable anymore.
B6 gave it a try because they wanted to keep WN out and get the FIS built. That didn't work. Relationship with LGB has now soured. No reason to keep it up.
BUR is at a much better location and has enough gate space to get to 20+ flights a day. It's much higher yielding and closer to big money contract that they are already getting as a result of mint flight. They could even add a couple of mint flight to BUR out of JFK. JetSuiteX can keep expanding out of BUR.
Keep LGB to around 10 flights a day. If they actually put themselves on waiting list at SNA, they will get 3 slots. Avoid ONT like plague.
They are going to be at 20 to 25 flights a day out of LAX by this point next year assuming they continue to get 2 gates + 4 CUTE gates with a lot of slack.
That in total is about 60 flights a day out of LA basin.