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2017 NFL Charters (Airlines/Flight Numbers)

Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:07 am

With the 2017 upon us and the changes on-going with airlines dropping certain team charters, I figured it's time to start getting flight info, airlines, equipment and flight numbers for the teams.

    Arizona/PHX -- Dropped by AAL
    Atlanta/ATL -- DAL
    Baltimore/BWI -- Dropped by AAL
    Buffalo/BUF -- UAL
    Carolina/CLT -- AAL
    Chicago/ORD -- UAL
    Cincinnati/CVG -- ??
    Cleveland/CLE -- UAL
    Dallas/DFW -- AAL
    Denver/DEN -- UAL
    Detroit/DTW -- UAL
    Green Bay/GRB -- DAL
    Houston/IAH -- UAL
    Indianapolis/IND -- Dropped by AAL
    Jacksonville/JAX -- GTI
    Kansas City/MCI -- UAL
    LA Chargers/LAX -- DAL
    LA Rams/LAX -- UAL
    Miami/MIA -- BSK
    Minnesota/MSP -- DAL
    New England/PVD -- Private
    New Orleans/MSY -- UAL
    NY Giants/EWR -- UAL
    NY Jets/EWR -- UAL
    Oakland/OAK - HAL
    Philadelphia/PHL -- AA
    Pittsburgh/PIT -- BSK
    San Francisco/SJC -- UAL
    Seattle/SEA -- DAL
    Tampa Bay/TPA -- ??
    Tennessee/BNA -- ??
    Washington/IAD -- UAL
 
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Re: 2017 NFL Charters (Airlines/Flight Numbers)

Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:49 am

Ten - UAL
Buf/Det - have not seen them back on the UAL sked
 
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:40 am

 
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:10 pm

CapitalAvGeek wrote:


They'll be traveling back to their pre-season camp in/near Lewisburg after the game tonight and will then return to Houston on 18 August ahead of the Patriots game:

http://footballcharters.blogspot.com/20 ... eason.html

JOEL
 
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Re: 2017 NFL Charters (Airlines/Flight Numbers)

Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:50 pm

The Philadelphia Eagles just arrived at Green Bay for tomorrow's game, using American Airlines' A330-200 N281AY:

http://footballcharters.blogspot.com/20 ... eason.html

JOEL
 
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Re: 2017 NFL Charters (Airlines/Flight Numbers)

Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:40 pm

UA2541 will be the callsign for the New Orleans Saints, shortly off to their first pre-season assignment, away at the Cleveland Browns with a B757-300:

http://footballcharters.blogspot.com/20 ... eason.html
 
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Re: 2017 NFL Charters (Airlines/Flight Numbers)

Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:27 am

The San Francisco 49ers will travel as UA2540, using a B767-400/ER out of SJC today for their away game at the Kansas City Chiefs:

http://footballcharters.blogspot.com/20 ... eason.html
 
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Re: 2017 NFL Charters (Airlines/Flight Numbers)

Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:34 pm

Tampa Bay - DAL8876 - B752 - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8876
Pittsburgh - BSK385 - B738 - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BSK385
 
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Re: 2017 NFL Charters (Airlines/Flight Numbers)

Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:10 pm

xcoaster1 wrote:
Cincinnati/CVG -- ??

Cincinnati uses Delta for their charters
 
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Re: 2017 NFL Charters (Airlines/Flight Numbers)

Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:47 pm

mailmover wrote:
Tampa Bay - DAL8876 - B752 - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8876


The same jet will then proceed to Buffalo and take the Minnesota Vikings back to MSP from there:

http://footballcharters.blogspot.com/20 ... ugust.html
 
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Re: 2017 NFL Charters (Airlines/Flight Numbers)

Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:08 pm

mailmover wrote:
Tampa Bay - DAL8876 - B752 - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8876
Pittsburgh - BSK385 - B738 - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BSK385


Pittsburgh is also BSK384 - B738 - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BSK384

One B738 is definitely not enough for a football team and all that comes along with them.
 
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Re: 2017 NFL Charters (Airlines/Flight Numbers)

Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:52 pm

Not sure whose these are, but DAL operated 3-752's on charter out of CVG today:

KCVG-KBUF – DL B752 – http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8874
KCVG-KMKE – DL B752 – https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8885
KCVG-KBUR – DL B752 – https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8891
 
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Re: 2017 NFL Charters (Airlines/Flight Numbers)

Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:33 pm

cvgComair wrote:
Not sure whose these are, but DAL operated 3-752's on charter out of CVG today:

KCVG-KMKE – DL B752 – https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8885

MLB Reds to MKE for game tomorrow.


cvgComair wrote:

MLB Padres, after playing Reds, back to LA to play the Dodgers tomorrow.
 
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Re: 2017 NFL Charters (Airlines/Flight Numbers)

Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:06 am

A330-200 N291AY of American Airlines is about to leave PHL towards GRB in order to pick up the Eagles after their game at Lambeau Field:

http://footballcharters.blogspot.com/20 ... eason.html
 
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Re: 2017 NFL Charters (Airlines/Flight Numbers)

Fri Aug 11, 2017 1:24 am

cvgComair wrote:
Not sure whose these are, but DAL operated 3-752's on charter out of CVG today:

KCVG-KBUF – DL B752 – http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8874
KCVG-KMKE – DL B752 – https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8885
KCVG-KBUR – DL B752 – https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8891



DL8876 brought the Tampa Bay Bucs to Cincy for the Bengals pre season game. DL8874 is heading to Buffalo to pick up the Vikings to take them back to MSP after tonight’s game.
 
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Re: 2017 NFL Charters (Airlines/Flight Numbers)

Fri Aug 11, 2017 2:20 am

Very interesting. Flightaware has DL8863 as TWO A321s on the way back to ATL from FLL tonight.
 
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Re: 2017 NFL Charters (Airlines/Flight Numbers)

Fri Aug 11, 2017 2:22 am

CapitalAvGeek wrote:

I know the Jags are bad, but are you sure they're shipping up as cargo on Atlas Air?

edit: yes, I know Atlas does passenger flights too...but it's still funny.
 
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Re: 2017 NFL Charters (Airlines/Flight Numbers)

Fri Aug 11, 2017 3:43 am

Surprised Atlas flew the Jags on a 747 to boot, will the transport them permanently?
 
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Re: 2017 NFL Charters (Airlines/Flight Numbers)

Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:01 pm

Tennessee - UA2542 - B764 - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL2542
 
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Re: 2017 NFL Charters (Airlines/Flight Numbers)

Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:01 pm

Strange to see the Falcons use the A321. They normally use the 777-200LR.
 
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Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:16 pm

The Chicago Bears will fly to Arizona (PHX) this week, using a United B764, callsign UA2539:

http://footballcharters.blogspot.com/20 ... -2017.html
 
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Re: 2017 NFL Charters (Airlines/Flight Numbers)

Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:58 pm

Patriots don't have the new planes yet....departed KPVD this afternoon on a Delta 752 as flight 8878 Going to West Virginia for a few days of practice with Houston before the game on Saturday.
 
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Re: 2017 NFL Charters (Airlines/Flight Numbers)

Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:37 am

Tampa Bay Buccaneers arrived at the Jacksonville Jaguars on Sunday already with Delta:

http://footballcharters.blogspot.com/20 ... eason.html
 
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Re: 2017 NFL Charters (Airlines/Flight Numbers)

Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:42 pm

Apparently the Bills needed two planes for their trip to PHL.
Both flights arrived within an hour of each other.

BUF - DL8865 - MD90 - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8865
BUF - DL8866 - B752 - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8866

BAL - OY400 - B762 - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/OAE400
CAR - AA9446 -B763 - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9446
 
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Re: 2017 NFL Charters (Airlines/Flight Numbers)

Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:23 pm

The Colts are now with Delta and also using two planes for their trip to Dallas.

IND - DL8871 - B752 - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8871
IND - DL8872 - B752 - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8872
 
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Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:07 pm

As is Green Bay.

GRB - DL8869 - B752 - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8869
GRB - DL8870 - MD90 - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8870
 
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Re: 2017 NFL Charters (Airlines/Flight Numbers)

Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:21 pm

mailmover wrote:
Apparently the Bills needed two planes for their trip to PHL.
Both flights arrived within an hour of each other.

BUF - DL8865 - MD90 - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8865
BUF - DL8866 - B752 - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8866


For the return trip the MD-90 will be replaced with an A320:

http://footballcharters.blogspot.com/20 ... -2017.html
 
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Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:57 pm

Kansas City - UA2543 - B753 - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL2543
 
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Re: 2017 NFL Charters (Airlines/Flight Numbers)

Sun Aug 20, 2017 1:12 am

The Baltimore Ravens are chartering with Omni Air International.
 
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Sun Aug 20, 2017 5:48 pm

NY Giants - UA2537 - B764 - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL2537
 
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Sun Aug 20, 2017 5:57 pm

That Blogspot blog about football charters keeps showing that it contains malware, and thus Chrome won't let me access it...
 
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Sun Aug 20, 2017 10:35 pm

wjcandee wrote:
That Blogspot blog about football charters keeps showing that it contains malware, and thus Chrome won't let me access it...


Same for me.

As per Firefox... "Deceptive Site! This web page at footballcharters.blogspot.com has been reported as a deceptive site and has been blocked based on your security preferences."
The blog does have good info. But once I click on anything I get new windows popping up trying to install stuff. Not sure if blogger is aware of it.
 
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Re: 2017 NFL Charters (Airlines/Flight Numbers)

Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:19 am

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The Baltimore Ravens are chartering with Omni Air International.


That makes sense. For the relatively-flew flights involved per season per team, I was surprised that all one team could come up with was Miami Air. Don't get me wrong, they are an excellent and flexible charter operator accustomed to dealing with Important People and catering to their every whim. It just seemed like Atlas and Omni had some Seriously Sizeable pax aircraft that were better fits and should find their way to at least a few of the AA-Orphaned Teams, like when World flew the Bills around on a very-nice MD11.

Also, I'm still a little perplexed as to why the Patriots would do a 125 operation when safer, more-experienced, better-trained, better-supervised pilots, f/as, and maintenance were available from ATI, Omni, and Atlas to crew and maintain their aircraft, not to mention dispatch, etc. That would be a vastly-safer arrangement, and I can only assume that arrogance, ego and know-it-all-y-ness were involved in their decision to reinvent the wheel. The 25-cent word is probably "hubris". Sometimes with folks like this, a paranoia about privacy enters into the decisions as well, and most show-biz/sports people really aren't sufficiently-knowledgable about what they're purchasing to understand that there's a reason most people do it differently; the desire to be special or private overrides good judgment. In some sense, this is exactly what killed Joan Rivers -- doing surgery at a "special" "private" surgicenter that didn't have the kind of rules, policies and safeguards that would have been present at one of the 4 or 5 World Class hospitals in her home town of NYC, where the procedure wouldn't have gone sideways, and there would have been people who could fix it if it did. It's also what killed the publisher of the Philadelphia Inquirer -- a private aviation department where the guy's beloved and trusted pilots had long-ago stopped bothering to use checklists or get top-notch recurrent training on their aircraft, so when something initially-inconsequential went wrong in a very-forgiving location, they still ended up killing everyone.
 
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Re: 2017 NFL Charters (Airlines/Flight Numbers)

Mon Aug 21, 2017 2:03 am

wjcandee wrote:
Also, I'm still a little perplexed as to why the Patriots would do a 125 operation when safer, more-experienced, better-trained, better-supervised pilots, f/as, and maintenance were available from ATI, Omni, and Atlas to crew and maintain their aircraft, not to mention dispatch, etc. That would be a vastly-safer arrangement, and I can only assume that arrogance, ego and know-it-all-y-ness were involved in their decision to reinvent the wheel


I am quite aware of Part 125 operations and have wondered why they chose the Part 125 route myself. However, how do you come to the conclusion of an this operation is substandard when it has not even started yet. I do not think the Part 125 is sustainable for no more hours than the aircraft will be used for the team and I suspect they will keep records and training to shift to 121 easily when they chose that route.

Their operation is going to be highly regulated by the insurance carrier when you are conveying a football team with a $167M salary cap plus coaches and support personnel the insurance company is going to have some pretty tall requirements one would guess for that type of financial exposure.


Okie
 
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Mon Aug 21, 2017 5:07 am

Okie: Any in-house operation is there to please the master. The get-there-itis for a football team has to be gargantuan. Throw in the egos of the people involved, and the pressure to get 'er done is more than you can expect non-union employees of the "charter" (if you will) to resist. Throw in brand-new people, policies and procedures, and it's going to have a safety level and safety culture far below that of an Atlas, ATI or Omni, much less a DL. There's no way around that.

And indeed given that the NBA has a deal with DL in which DL is basically the CMI operator of an NBA-owned subfleet, there's no reason to think that DL or another major wouldn't be willing to do the same for the 2 Pats planes -- especially given that they are a type widely-flown and maintained by DL. The NBA did it the right way, and put safety first. The Pats did not.

Now, is this likely to cause an accident? Accidents are extremely-rare and require a whole lot of stuff to go wrong in sequence. Which is why NASA says that looking at fatal accidents is a statistically-invalid way of judging "safety" of a carrier, because as a data point they don't reveal much. So I suppose much of this is theoretical, but for all the reasons I discuss above and in an earlier post, Part 125 is just a dumdumdumdumdum way to go from purely a safety perspective.

This whole operation reeks of ego and hubris first, everything else second.
 
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Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:13 pm

Great point--total hubris and arrogance, frankly.

And the Pats were on another DL 752 from LWB-IAH and on their return home. Wonder when these paperweights will actually operate.
 
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Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:44 pm

mailmover wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
That Blogspot blog about football charters keeps showing that it contains malware, and thus Chrome won't let me access it...


Same for me.

As per Firefox... "Deceptive Site! This web page at footballcharters.blogspot.com has been reported as a deceptive site and has been blocked based on your security preferences."
The blog does have good info. But once I click on anything I get new windows popping up trying to install stuff. Not sure if blogger is aware of it.


I have now removed any script that I deemed potentially responsible for that issue and hope to get the blog unlisted asap. Thank you for making me aware of the issue!
 
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Re: 2017 NFL Charters (Airlines/Flight Numbers)

Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:48 pm

wjcandee wrote:
cfichad wrote:
The Baltimore Ravens are chartering with Omni Air International.


That makes sense. For the relatively-flew flights involved per season per team, I was surprised that all one team could come up with was Miami Air. Don't get me wrong, they are an excellent and flexible charter operator accustomed to dealing with Important People and catering to their every whim. It just seemed like Atlas and Omni had some Seriously Sizeable pax aircraft that were better fits and should find their way to at least a few of the AA-Orphaned Teams, like when World flew the Bills around on a very-nice MD11.



Atlas is flying the Cardinals and Jags..
 
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Re: 2017 NFL Charters (Airlines/Flight Numbers)

Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:57 am

I am shocked that the Dolphins and Steelers are using Miami Air, I suspect they will be chartering two planes per trip because a 737-800 is too small for an NFL team. Just my 2 cents.
 
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Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:13 am

910A wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
cfichad wrote:
The Baltimore Ravens are chartering with Omni Air International.


That makes sense.


Atlas is flying the Cardinals and Jags..


And there you go. Omni can do the Ravens in a 767-300 or even a 777. Atlas can do the Cardinals and Jags in a 767-300 or (as they just did with the Jags) one of 3 747-400 pax birds they have available for charter. It appears that for both the Cardinals and Jags recently, Atlas used the second Sonair aircraft. That's a sweet layout: 10 in FC suites, 143 in Business Class, 36 Y, but even the Y is nice. They distinguish between "business" and "premium economy" on the Houston Express, but IIRC, it's service only; the seats are the same nice huge-legroom business seats.

The players and coaches should be very happy with that airplane. It's one heck of an upgrade from an AA 767.
 
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Tue Aug 22, 2017 2:46 pm

Are the Redskins still using UA this year and what type of aircraft are they using?
 
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Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:48 pm

cfichad wrote:
I am shocked that the Dolphins and Steelers are using Miami Air, I suspect they will be chartering two planes per trip because a 737-800 is too small for an NFL team. Just my 2 cents.


The Dolphins used two Miami Air 738s indeed on Sunday to get to Philly. Same happened with the Steelers away at the Giants already ...

JOEL
 
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Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:41 pm

An American A330-300, N270AY, is currently getting on the move from PHL to CLT, where it will pick up the Panthers for the trip to Jacksonville. Callsign is AAL9710 for the ferry flight and AAL9476 from Charlotte to Jacksonville.
 
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Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:35 pm

Joelatbsl wrote:
cfichad wrote:
I am shocked that the Dolphins and Steelers are using Miami Air, I suspect they will be chartering two planes per trip because a 737-800 is too small for an NFL team. Just my 2 cents.


The Dolphins used two Miami Air 738s indeed on Sunday to get to Philly. Same happened with the Steelers away at the Giants already ...

JOEL


Green Bay used an MD-90 and 752 for GRB-IAD for the Redskins preseason game last week as well.
 
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Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:43 pm

I have a question. Once the NFL teams get a charter plane, do they stay with that specific aircraft, or does it switch around? I was just curious to find out.
 
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Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:58 pm

wjcandee wrote:
Okie: Any in-house operation is there to please the master. The get-there-itis for a football team has to be gargantuan. Throw in the egos of the people involved, and the pressure to get 'er done is more than you can expect non-union employees of the "charter" (if you will) to resist. Throw in brand-new people, policies and procedures, and it's going to have a safety level and safety culture far below that of an Atlas, ATI or Omni, much less a DL. There's no way around that.

And indeed given that the NBA has a deal with DL in which DL is basically the CMI operator of an NBA-owned subfleet, there's no reason to think that DL or another major wouldn't be willing to do the same for the 2 Pats planes -- especially given that they are a type widely-flown and maintained by DL. The NBA did it the right way, and put safety first. The Pats did not.

Now, is this likely to cause an accident? Accidents are extremely-rare and require a whole lot of stuff to go wrong in sequence. Which is why NASA says that looking at fatal accidents is a statistically-invalid way of judging "safety" of a carrier, because as a data point they don't reveal much. So I suppose much of this is theoretical, but for all the reasons I discuss above and in an earlier post, Part 125 is just a dumdumdumdumdum way to go from purely a safety perspective.

This whole operation reeks of ego and hubris first, everything else second.




wjcandee- I welcome a private conversation with you regarding your perception that CFR125 Operations are unsafe. As I have been a Director of Maintenance for many years in 125 and we hold ourselves to a 121 Standard on many different Flight and Tech Ops levels.
 
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Re: 2017 NFL Charters (Airlines/Flight Numbers)

Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:38 pm

n801dm wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
Okie: Any in-house operation is there to please the master. The get-there-itis for a football team has to be gargantuan. Throw in the egos of the people involved, and the pressure to get 'er done is more than you can expect non-union employees of the "charter" (if you will) to resist. Throw in brand-new people, policies and procedures, and it's going to have a safety level and safety culture far below that of an Atlas, ATI or Omni, much less a DL. There's no way around that.

And indeed given that the NBA has a deal with DL in which DL is basically the CMI operator of an NBA-owned subfleet, there's no reason to think that DL or another major wouldn't be willing to do the same for the 2 Pats planes -- especially given that they are a type widely-flown and maintained by DL. The NBA did it the right way, and put safety first. The Pats did not.

Now, is this likely to cause an accident? Accidents are extremely-rare and require a whole lot of stuff to go wrong in sequence. Which is why NASA says that looking at fatal accidents is a statistically-invalid way of judging "safety" of a carrier, because as a data point they don't reveal much. So I suppose much of this is theoretical, but for all the reasons I discuss above and in an earlier post, Part 125 is just a dumdumdumdumdum way to go from purely a safety perspective.

This whole operation reeks of ego and hubris first, everything else second.




wjcandee- I welcome a private conversation with you regarding your perception that CFR125 Operations are unsafe. As I have been a Director of Maintenance for many years in 125 and we hold ourselves to a 121 Standard on many different Flight and Tech Ops levels.


It's all just a disguise for hating on the Patriots, as the haters always do. Nothing more.

Now...on to the 6th...
 
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Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:01 pm

Narfish641 wrote:
I have a question. Once the NFL teams get a charter plane, do they stay with that specific aircraft, or does it switch around? I was just curious to find out.


You mean once an aircraft from a carrier like DL flies them on a particular ship, do they use that same ship the whole season? Nope. They don't necessarily even use the same type of aircraft (767, 777, etc.) the whole season. The airline rotates an appropriate ship out of service on the mainline, brings it in to the pickup point, picks up the team, delivers the team that day, and puts the aircraft back in mainline service. On Sunday night, they do the same thing.

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Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos