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Re: NFL's Patriots Buy Two 767s ?!?

Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:55 pm

Lets hope they have to repaint the tail within the next year :)

I once flew the B6 NY Jets plane out of PVD, for which the captain apologized and ensured us that the tires were properly inflated.

Thats going to be a nice sight on the ramp at PVD this fall, I wonder if they will keep it there all week or ferry it to an underutilized facility with excess apron like PSM CEF or OQU
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Re: NFL's Patriots Buy Two 767s ?!?

Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:22 am

MO11 wrote:
They are two ex-AA airplanes (N366 and N367, which will become N36NE and N225NE) . There are advertisements on the web for mechanics, flight attendants, etc.


Actually N366AA and N39367 were the former registrations.
 
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Re: NFL's Patriots Buy Two 767s ?!?

Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:29 am

TWA772LR wrote:
Makes sense, one for the team, and one for Bradys ego all the Super Bowl and AFC Championship trophies.

Fixed it for ya!

MR27122 wrote:
2018 New England Patriots Football Schedule

Will be exceptionally "low hours"

1) At Buffalo Bills New Era Field, Orchard Park, NY
2) At Chicago Bears Soldier Field, Chicago, IL
3) At Detroit Lions Ford Field, Detroit, MI
4) At Jacksonville JaguarsEverBank Field, Jacksonville, FL
5) At Miami Dolphins Hard Rock Stadium, Miami Gardens, FL
6) At New York Jets MetLife Stadium, East Rutherford, NJ
7) At Tennessee Titans Nissan Stadium, Nashville, TN
8) At AFC North Opponent TBD* Site TBD (Unless Melbourne AU is awarded an NFL franchise)


You're forgetting the trip to Super Bowl 52 in Minneapolis! :biggrin:
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Re: NFL's Patriots Buy Two 767s ?!?

Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:46 am

Revelation wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
Makes sense, one for the team, and one for Bradys ego all the Super Bowl and AFC Championship trophies.

Fixed it for ya!

MR27122 wrote:
2018 New England Patriots Football Schedule

Will be exceptionally "low hours"

1) At Buffalo Bills New Era Field, Orchard Park, NY
2) At Chicago Bears Soldier Field, Chicago, IL
3) At Detroit Lions Ford Field, Detroit, MI
4) At Jacksonville JaguarsEverBank Field, Jacksonville, FL
5) At Miami Dolphins Hard Rock Stadium, Miami Gardens, FL
6) At New York Jets MetLife Stadium, East Rutherford, NJ
7) At Tennessee Titans Nissan Stadium, Nashville, TN
8) At AFC North Opponent TBD* Site TBD (Unless Melbourne AU is awarded an NFL franchise)


You're forgetting the trip to Super Bowl 52 in Minneapolis! :biggrin:


The Patriots play Oakland in Mexico City.
 
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:00 am

Interesting rumour about Dynamic, given that the aircraft owner seems to have been advertising earlier this year for crews... Seemed like it was going to be an in-house operation.

The same company seems to own 183HK, which has a little sketchier a pedigree.
 
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:25 am

From Jon Ostrower's Twitter: Not the first time something from Seattle is owned by New England.
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:41 am

Team just uploaded this image to their Facebook page (they're calling them Airkrafts!):

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https://www.facebook.com/newenglandpatr ... 3k&fref=nf
 
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Re: NFL's Patriots Buy Two 767s ?!?

Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:59 am

Revelation wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
Makes sense, one for the team, and one for Bradys ego all the Super Bowl and AFC Championship trophies.

Fixed it for ya!

MR27122 wrote:
2018 New England Patriots Football Schedule

Will be exceptionally "low hours"

1) At Buffalo Bills New Era Field, Orchard Park, NY
2) At Chicago Bears Soldier Field, Chicago, IL
3) At Detroit Lions Ford Field, Detroit, MI
4) At Jacksonville JaguarsEverBank Field, Jacksonville, FL
5) At Miami Dolphins Hard Rock Stadium, Miami Gardens, FL
6) At New York Jets MetLife Stadium, East Rutherford, NJ
7) At Tennessee Titans Nissan Stadium, Nashville, TN
8) At AFC North Opponent TBD* Site TBD (Unless Melbourne AU is awarded an NFL franchise)


You're forgetting the trip to Super Bowl 52 in Minneapolis! :biggrin:


Minneapolis was awarded the Super Bowl 2 consecutive seasons in a row?
 
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Re: NFL's Patriots Buy Two 767s ?!?

Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:02 am

RobertS975 wrote:
Revelation wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
Makes sense, one for the team, and one for Bradys ego all the Super Bowl and AFC Championship trophies.

Fixed it for ya!

MR27122 wrote:
2018 New England Patriots Football Schedule

Will be exceptionally "low hours"

1) At Buffalo Bills New Era Field, Orchard Park, NY
2) At Chicago Bears Soldier Field, Chicago, IL
3) At Detroit Lions Ford Field, Detroit, MI
4) At Jacksonville JaguarsEverBank Field, Jacksonville, FL
5) At Miami Dolphins Hard Rock Stadium, Miami Gardens, FL
6) At New York Jets MetLife Stadium, East Rutherford, NJ
7) At Tennessee Titans Nissan Stadium, Nashville, TN
8) At AFC North Opponent TBD* Site TBD (Unless Melbourne AU is awarded an NFL franchise)


You're forgetting the trip to Super Bowl 52 in Minneapolis! :biggrin:


The Patriots play Oakland in Mexico City.


The Patriots play Oakland in Mexico City back-2-back seasons???? I doubt Mr. Kraft or Mr. Davis Jr wants to lose that amount of gate revenue.
 
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Re: NFL's Patriots Buy Two 767s ?!?

Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:12 am

MR27122 wrote:
Revelation wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
Makes sense, one for the team, and one for Bradys ego all the Super Bowl and AFC Championship trophies.

Fixed it for ya!

MR27122 wrote:
2018 New England Patriots Football Schedule

Will be exceptionally "low hours"

1) At Buffalo Bills New Era Field, Orchard Park, NY
2) At Chicago Bears Soldier Field, Chicago, IL
3) At Detroit Lions Ford Field, Detroit, MI
4) At Jacksonville JaguarsEverBank Field, Jacksonville, FL
5) At Miami Dolphins Hard Rock Stadium, Miami Gardens, FL
6) At New York Jets MetLife Stadium, East Rutherford, NJ
7) At Tennessee Titans Nissan Stadium, Nashville, TN
8) At AFC North Opponent TBD* Site TBD (Unless Melbourne AU is awarded an NFL franchise)


You're forgetting the trip to Super Bowl 52 in Minneapolis! :biggrin:


Minneapolis was awarded the Super Bowl 2 consecutive seasons in a row?


Superbowl 51 was in Feb 2017 in Houston.
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:30 am

Well, I sure hope all the tires are properly inflated. :duck:
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:34 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
MO11 wrote:
They are two ex-AA airplanes (N366 and N367, which will become N36NE and N225NE) . There are advertisements on the web for mechanics, flight attendants, etc.


Actually N366AA and N39367 were the former registrations.


As I pointed out above. But they are actually the current registrations; the new numbers are authorized but not yet in effect ("pending"). E.g. http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry ... Txt=n39367
 
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:16 am

MO11 wrote:
They are two ex-AA airplanes (N366 and N367, which will become N36NE and N225NE) . There are advertisements on the web for mechanics, flight attendants, etc.


A lot of ex-AA 763s are probably going to have second lives elsewhere. Impressive!
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:36 am

The other problem with using Dynamic as a Part 121 CMI provider is that it tanked last month. If the rumors are true (and I don't think they are likely to be), it was the right idea but the wrong operator. As I said above, Atlas and ATI come to mind: both are longstanding, profitable, solvent carriers; both have a bunch of 767 pilots available, they have flight attendants, they are certified to carry pax, and they have the kind of safety culture that you want flying around hundreds of millions of dollars of human capital.

They are trying to restructure, having been through like 3 CFOs in 4 years, 3 CEOs, etc. Ken Woolley (co-owner of Swift Air and KMW leasing) and Paul Kraus (of Jet Midwest) are the owners of the thing, and they're getting hammered from lawsuits over that fireball at JFK a while back (which I would have thought would be covered by insurance, but...). Woolley gave it a $6 million DIP loan to keep going in bankruptcy, but we'll see. There as WSJ Pro article about how the creditors think it's gonna liquidate, but time will tell.
 
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:57 am

Antarius wrote:
MR27122 wrote:
Revelation wrote:
Fixed it for ya!



You're forgetting the trip to Super Bowl 52 in Minneapolis! :biggrin:


Minneapolis was awarded the Super Bowl 2 consecutive seasons in a row?


Superbowl 51 was in Feb 2017 in Houston.


I've visited this site regularly for years. Thoughtful responses require thorough contemplation of what participants upon Airliners.net post. Exception being the flame-bait topics and/or repetitive threads regarding the same topic (i.e. When will NWA retire it's DC-9 fleet?).

The NFL is unique in so much as I--or any fan--if they wish, can search & know precisely which teams compete in the Regular season 5+ years out & what games are home/away (I'm referring to games outside of Division). Generally a "wild card" unknown w/ a TBD is always included due to the potential of a re-match due to circumstances from the previous season. For the 2018 NFL season, the Patriots have one of the lightest travel schedules ever, they're not scheduled to play an away game west of the Mississippi & the Super Bowl will be hosted @ the brand new Mercedes Benz Bowl in Atlanta GA.
 
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Re: NFL's Patriots Buy Two 767s ?!?

Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:58 am

MR27122 wrote:
Antarius wrote:
MR27122 wrote:

Minneapolis was awarded the Super Bowl 2 consecutive seasons in a row?


Superbowl 51 was in Feb 2017 in Houston.


I've visited this site regularly for years. Thoughtful responses require thorough contemplation of what participants upon Airliners.net post. Exception being the flame-bait topics and/or repetitive threads regarding the same topic (i.e. When will NWA retire it's DC-9 fleet?).

The NFL is unique in so much as I--or any fan--if they wish, can search & know precisely which teams compete in the Regular season 5+ years out & what games are home/away (I'm referring to games outside of Division). Generally a "wild card" unknown w/ a TBD is always included due to the potential of a re-match due to circumstances from the previous season. For the 2018 NFL season, the Patriots have one of the lightest travel schedules ever, they're not scheduled to play an away game west of the Mississippi & the Super Bowl will be hosted @ the brand new Mercedes Benz Bowl in Atlanta GA.


How do you know the Pats schedule for 2018 when they haven't even been released yet?
 
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:59 am

RobertS975 wrote:
Revelation wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
Makes sense, one for the team, and one for Bradys ego all the Super Bowl and AFC Championship trophies.

Fixed it for ya!

MR27122 wrote:
2018 New England Patriots Football Schedule

Will be exceptionally "low hours"

1) At Buffalo Bills New Era Field, Orchard Park, NY
2) At Chicago Bears Soldier Field, Chicago, IL
3) At Detroit Lions Ford Field, Detroit, MI
4) At Jacksonville JaguarsEverBank Field, Jacksonville, FL
5) At Miami Dolphins Hard Rock Stadium, Miami Gardens, FL
6) At New York Jets MetLife Stadium, East Rutherford, NJ
7) At Tennessee Titans Nissan Stadium, Nashville, TN
8) At AFC North Opponent TBD* Site TBD (Unless Melbourne AU is awarded an NFL franchise)


You're forgetting the trip to Super Bowl 52 in Minneapolis! :biggrin:


The Patriots play Oakland in Mexico City.


You're thinking the 2017 season. He listed the 2018 season. Notice how the AFC North team is TBD because it is based off the results of the 2017 season yet to be played. The NFL follows a rotating schedule. Also, the AFC East plays the NFC South this year, not the NFC North.

I'm guessing, like he did, these birds won't be ready this season. Shame.

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Re: NFL's Patriots Buy Two 767s ?!?

Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:08 am

Revelation wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
Makes sense, one for the team, and one for Bradys ego all the Super Bowl and AFC Championship trophies.

Fixed it for ya!

MR27122 wrote:
2018 New England Patriots Football Schedule

Will be exceptionally "low hours"

1) At Buffalo Bills New Era Field, Orchard Park, NY
2) At Chicago Bears Soldier Field, Chicago, IL
3) At Detroit Lions Ford Field, Detroit, MI
4) At Jacksonville JaguarsEverBank Field, Jacksonville, FL
5) At Miami Dolphins Hard Rock Stadium, Miami Gardens, FL
6) At New York Jets MetLife Stadium, East Rutherford, NJ
7) At Tennessee Titans Nissan Stadium, Nashville, TN
8) At AFC North Opponent TBD* Site TBD (Unless Melbourne AU is awarded an NFL franchise)


You're forgetting the trip to Super Bowl 52 in Minneapolis! :biggrin:


That is for the following season, not the one coming up next month. NE plays NFCS this year and NFCN next year (that list quoted has them going to Detroit and Chicago).

This season's road schedule:
Week 2 September 17th at New Orleans
Week 5 October 5th (TNF) at Tampa
Week 6 October 15th at NYJ
Week 10 November 12th at Denver
Week 11 November 19th vs. Raiders in Mexico City
Week 13 December 3rd at Buffalo
Week 14 December 11th (MNF) at Miami
Week 15 December 17th at Pittsburgh
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Re: NFL's Patriots Buy Two 767s ?!?

Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:34 am

Those are very nice planes! 300ERs.

I wonder if they will give them names? Bledsoe, Gronk, Brady, Faulk, Vinatieri, Bruschi,
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:57 am

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Those are very nice planes! 300ERs.

I wonder if they will give them names? Bledsoe, Gronk, Brady, Faulk, Vinatieri, Bruschi,

There's only 2. They'll be named Spygate and Deflategate. :biggrin:

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Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:35 am

I bet too for the team owners, the Kraft family, there have been tax considerations involved with owing the planes that make it economically viable. I wold also think these new aircraft could be used by companies, especially those based in Boston, when the need to move 100+ people for major corporate meetings.
 
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:37 am

TWA772LR wrote:
ODwyerPW wrote:
Those are very nice planes! 300ERs.

I wonder if they will give them names? Bledsoe, Gronk, Brady, Faulk, Vinatieri, Bruschi,

There's only 2. They'll be named Spygate and Deflategate. :biggrin:

Yes Revelation, I am a salty Texans fan!

That's OK, your team provided a nice warm up playoff game for us on the way to the Super Bowl last year! :-)

Helped us get ready for our fifth ring :-)

Might have been the high point for Brock Osweiler's career: 23 of 40 passes for 198 yards and a touchdown, with three interceptions.

How much did you end up paying to get rid of him?

Actually, there is a lot of support for the Texans around here, except of course when they play the Pats, because so many former Pats players and coaches and executives have ended up with the Texans. Some talk show hosts refer to them as the "Patriots South"...

ltbewr wrote:
I bet too for the team owners, the Kraft family, there have been tax considerations involved with owing the planes that make it economically viable. I wold also think these new aircraft could be used by companies, especially those based in Boston, when the need to move 100+ people for major corporate meetings.

I suppose, if they don't mind leaving out of PVD, or paying for ferry flights to BOS or BED or wherever.
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:47 am

You also have recall the Dallas basketball team has a beautiful 757 that they use for travel. I have been onboard it several times down at Love Field. It was/is on a 121 certificate, so it does get some work outside of the basket ball season. As I recall, it was a former Iberia airplane.
 
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:08 pm

chrisnh wrote:
sgbroimp wrote:
That team has a lot of money, I would have to think. Surprised they bought such old birds. Probably got a great deal.


I don't think it's any different than FedEx buying 'old birds.' The cycles will be few, including some rather short-haul segments (BUF, NYJ, IND, etc.) and that means their life spans will be pretty long.


When that plane lands in Indy, oh boy...the whole town might come out to boo them ;) (and be jealous)
 
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:21 pm

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RockIsland41 wrote:
wonder if Jerry Jones will get a 747 or two for his team?? :biggrin:


Figured he'd go A380.


Even the A380 won't accommodate Mr. Jones' ego. That will require a Super Guppy or Beluga. :rotfl:
 
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:31 pm

Bottom line is that unless these aircraft are on a Part 121 certificate the opportunities for outside work will be very limited as you cannot hold out for charter on a Part 125 certificate. There are some exceptions, but they are far and few between. Operating under the thumb of Massport is in and of itself, a huge burden. Would not think any other football teams would want be seen getting off these flying boards either?

Prediction: This team will use these airplanes for one or two seasons at the most, and then go back to using the likes of Delta, UA, or American. One significant AD will shove them over the edge, and one missed game would be a multi million dollar penalty from the NFL Wonder what kind of spares package they got with these two airplanes? What could go wrong? :o
 
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:37 pm

I'll have to take a ride to BUF if work and the weather cooperate.
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:39 pm

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Bottom line is that unless these aircraft are on a Part 121 certificate the opportunities for outside work will be very limited as you cannot hold out for charter on a Part 125 certificate. There are some exceptions, but they are far and few between. Operating under the thumb of Massport is in and of itself, a huge burden. Would not think any other football teams would want be seen getting off these flying boards either?

Prediction: This team will use these airplanes for one or two seasons at the most, and then go back to using the likes of Delta, UA, or American. One significant AD will shove them over the edge, and one missed game would be a multi million dollar penalty from the NFL Wonder what kind of spares package they got with these two airplanes? What could go wrong? :o

I agree about Part 121 and that they probably would be better off using a professional aviation firm to staff and manage the aircraft, but keep in mind the Pats already fly out of PVD and it isn't controlled by Massport. Also the whole point is that US/DL/AA are in general no longer willing to do NFL charters so there needs to be a Plan B. I think the Pats are probably a bit ahead of the curve and as you suggest they may get taught a few lessons, but in general they are quick learners. I would think in a few years they might decide to sub-lease the planes to a professional aviation firm with a contract that makes them available to the Pats and the Kraft Group as needed.
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:55 pm

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These guys would do well to hire an Atlas, ATI, or other Part 121 carrier to operate the aircraft, and not try to do it themselves. The safety culture of an established Part 121 carrier is leaps and bounds above anything that one can do in-house. Start with Get There Itis, and go from there. If I were the life insurer on any of these players, I would have serious questions and maybe a desire to raise my rates.


Dallas Mavericks and the Dallas Stars when they use the Mavs B767 utilize a professional crew from one of the above carriers. I'm sure these aircraft will be operated by a professional crew.
 
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:00 pm

In regards to Mr. Jones and his ego. The Dallas Cowboys will still be chartering from American Airlines.
 
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:05 pm

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Wonder if the Boston Red Sox, Celtics, or Bruins will be using them too.

Doubt it -- the ownership groups have no overlap at all, the seasons do overlap, etc.


Was thinking more along the lines of chartering them.


I do wonder if there is value in the two leagues (MLB & NFL) partnering on a JV that has 20-25 aircraft since only half the teams are away at any time. Even with season overlap, they could manage it down to needing to charter with an airline very little. Even with the MLB long schedule, teams generally play 2-3 game series. And the NFL teams largely travel during the weekend, although that has expanded with more Monday night and Thursday night games.
 
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:12 pm

freakyrat wrote:
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These guys would do well to hire an Atlas, ATI, or other Part 121 carrier to operate the aircraft, and not try to do it themselves. The safety culture of an established Part 121 carrier is leaps and bounds above anything that one can do in-house. Start with Get There Itis, and go from there. If I were the life insurer on any of these players, I would have serious questions and maybe a desire to raise my rates.


Dallas Mavericks and the Dallas Stars when they use the Mavs B767 utilize a professional crew from one of the above carriers. I'm sure these aircraft will be operated by a professional crew.


Mavs are using their own 757 and yes it was on a Part 121 (Pace) certificate for awhile. Not sure what has happened to it in the last two years. It's one thing ot operate an airliner with a profit in mind and another to operate one simply for convenience.

Almost forgot the Rockies which used a 727 for years on a 125 cert. They may have moved up to a 757 in the last couple of years, but I don't know
 
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:16 pm

Just for a point of reference, you need around 65+ seats for a MLB team. 30-35 seats for a NBAA team and 50 to 60 seats for a NFL team. These numbers are for regular season games. If you are in the playoffs, these numbers go up rapidly.
 
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:17 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
MR27122 wrote:
Antarius wrote:

Superbowl 51 was in Feb 2017 in Houston.


I've visited this site regularly for years. Thoughtful responses require thorough contemplation of what participants upon Airliners.net post. Exception being the flame-bait topics and/or repetitive threads regarding the same topic (i.e. When will NWA retire it's DC-9 fleet?).

The NFL is unique in so much as I--or any fan--if they wish, can search & know precisely which teams compete in the Regular season 5+ years out & what games are home/away (I'm referring to games outside of Division). Generally a "wild card" unknown w/ a TBD is always included due to the potential of a re-match due to circumstances from the previous season. For the 2018 NFL season, the Patriots have one of the lightest travel schedules ever, they're not scheduled to play an away game west of the Mississippi & the Super Bowl will be hosted @ the brand new Mercedes Benz Bowl in Atlanta GA.


How do you know the Pats schedule for 2018 when they haven't even been released yet?


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Re: NFL's Patriots Buy Two 767s ?!?

Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:24 pm

Why do airlines not want the charters? They are going to quote a price that makes them money, no? :?:
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Re: NFL's Patriots Buy Two 767s ?!?

Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:30 pm

readytotaxi wrote:
Why do airlines not want the charters? They are going to quote a price that makes them money, no? :?:


poor utilization of airframes and crews, and frankly, not very profitable. the US3 run leaner than ever on man and machine.
 
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Re: NFL's Patriots Buy Two 767s ?!?

Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:33 pm

I am curious, when a 767 is configured in this manner (all J, whatever), is it typically done 2 - 2 for a single spacious aisle and max seat width, or 1-2-1 to provide all-aisle access and keep two aisles?

No one is doing complex herringbone patterns, right?
 
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Re: NFL's Patriots Buy Two 767s ?!?

Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:54 pm

BravoOne wrote:
Just for a point of reference, you need around 65+ seats for a MLB team. 30-35 seats for a NBAA team and 50 to 60 seats for a NFL team. These numbers are for regular season games. If you are in the playoffs, these numbers go up rapidly.

You'd surely need more than 50 to 60 seats for a NFL team. There are 53 players on the active roster alone, along with coaches and support staff. If a MLB team needs 65 seats as you indicate with only a 25 player active roster, a NFL team would need around 100 seats.
 
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Re: NFL's Patriots Buy Two 767s ?!?

Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:57 pm

BravoOne wrote:
Just for a point of reference, you need around 65+ seats for a MLB team. 30-35 seats for a NBAA team and 50 to 60 seats for a NFL team. These numbers are for regular season games. If you are in the playoffs, these numbers go up rapidly.


You need way more than 50-60 seats for an NFL team. The player roster is 53 men alone; then add the coaching staff, medical/training/support staff, the owners themselves, etc. It adds up.

Here's an article talking about traveling with the NY Giants - they regularly had 140 people traveling with the team for away games:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/0 ... 55937.html

Phelan’s department books the year’s hotels before May for the roughly 140 people who travel with the team, a group that includes players, coaches, managers, owners and video and medical staff, among others.
 
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Re: NFL's Patriots Buy Two 767s ?!?

Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:01 pm

727200 wrote:
I personally can't stand the NE 'Cheaters" but good for them to buy their own planes and I think the paint job is fantastic. Now as for a 40-year old QB in the NFL playing against guys who could be his own kid...


Yep, they cheated. Of course you to suspend your believe in basic science. And of course discount that 3 of the 4 Colts balls that were tested were similarly deflated. And discount the fact that deflated balls are a disadvantage. And discount the fact that with properly inflated balls in the second half they performed better. And discount the fact that other teams have been caught red-handed illegally tampering with balls and were let off with a warning, while there was only circumstantial evidence against the Patriots. And discount the fact that differently calibrated needles were used at different points in checking the inflation levels, and the Wells report discounted the game referee's recollection of what was used when in order to create a damning narrative. But yes, if you discount those things, then I guess the Patriots cheated...
 
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Re: NFL's Patriots Buy Two 767s ?!?

Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:17 pm

MR27122 wrote:
Antarius wrote:
MR27122 wrote:

Minneapolis was awarded the Super Bowl 2 consecutive seasons in a row?


Superbowl 51 was in Feb 2017 in Houston.


I've visited this site regularly for years. Thoughtful responses require thorough contemplation of what participants upon Airliners.net post. Exception being the flame-bait topics and/or repetitive threads regarding the same topic (i.e. When will NWA retire it's DC-9 fleet?).


High horse much?

That part aside, unless they plan on hosting Superbowl 52 (or LII) twice, then it's abundantly clear that the aforementioned reply was in relation to 2017 and not 2018. Which was a mistake by both Revelation and I.

Sounds like there's some "thorough contemplation" missing in the rush to snark?
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Re: NFL's Patriots Buy Two 767s ?!?

Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:24 pm

It would be interesting to try to find some travel companies to utilize these planes for sports-related charters. Fly on the Pats plane to Red Sox spring training....
 
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Re: NFL's Patriots Buy Two 767s ?!?

Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:27 pm

Not to make the bad joke, but I am curious, what is the tire pressure for a 767?
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Re: NFL's Patriots Buy Two 767s ?!?

Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:28 pm

blockski wrote:
BravoOne wrote:
Just for a point of reference, you need around 65+ seats for a MLB team. 30-35 seats for a NBAA team and 50 to 60 seats for a NFL team. These numbers are for regular season games. If you are in the playoffs, these numbers go up rapidly.


You need way more than 50-60 seats for an NFL team. The player roster is 53 men alone; then add the coaching staff, medical/training/support staff, the owners themselves, etc. It adds up.

Here's an article talking about traveling with the NY Giants - they regularly had 140 people traveling with the team for away games:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/0 ... 55937.html

Phelan’s department books the year’s hotels before May for the roughly 140 people who travel with the team, a group that includes players, coaches, managers, owners and video and medical staff, among others.


Well I guess I'm full of it then but we carried around the Hawks for four seasons including the Super Bowl in DTW and that's about what we carried to the regular season games. The owner chartered a couple of NWA DC10's for friends and family for the Super Bowl. A class act for sure.
 
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Re: NFL's Patriots Buy Two 767s ?!?

Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:31 pm

BravoOne wrote:
blockski wrote:
BravoOne wrote:
Just for a point of reference, you need around 65+ seats for a MLB team. 30-35 seats for a NBAA team and 50 to 60 seats for a NFL team. These numbers are for regular season games. If you are in the playoffs, these numbers go up rapidly.


You need way more than 50-60 seats for an NFL team. The player roster is 53 men alone; then add the coaching staff, medical/training/support staff, the owners themselves, etc. It adds up.

Here's an article talking about traveling with the NY Giants - they regularly had 140 people traveling with the team for away games:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/0 ... 55937.html

Phelan’s department books the year’s hotels before May for the roughly 140 people who travel with the team, a group that includes players, coaches, managers, owners and video and medical staff, among others.


Well I guess I'm full of it then but we carried around the Hawks for four seasons including the Super Bowl in DTW and that's about what we carried to the regular season games. The owner chartered a couple of NWA DC10's for friends and family for the Super Bowl. A class act for sure.
The 757 was configured for around 94, but be increased with some coach seating replacing the FC seats if necessary. We could carry the entire BB team plus some sports announcers in the other 757 (aka Trump airplane 757AF).
 
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Re: NFL's Patriots Buy Two 767s ?!?

Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:35 pm

I've been a Pats season ticket holder for several years. Included with my package is the ability to fly with the team to away games . . . for a price . . . a very big price. I did it several years ago for the experience and flew to SAN for a game that the Pats were absolutely annihilated (it was a very quiet flight back that Sunday night). They organized some team events throughout the weekend and we were allowed on the field pre-game, but it was crazy-expensive and - up until now - a one-timer. But I've got to say that I may look into it again this year just to check out the new plane. I wonder whether they'll still offer the "perk" with far fewer seat than the DL 763 that I had flown the first time. Or maybe it's one of the things they'll use the second plane for??
 
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Re: NFL's Patriots Buy Two 767s ?!?

Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:00 pm

Two 26 year old aircraft run by "rookie" team. Yes, one for backup for sure if they need near perfect dispatch reliability, which they probably do.
 
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Re: NFL's Patriots Buy Two 767s ?!?

Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:20 pm

chrisnh wrote:
I think the payback here will be pretty quick, especially since there will be some revenue coming in from rentals during the off-season. Spotters down in Mexico City will be all over this in November for the Raiders game.


Maybe the Raiders will just decide to stay in Mexico City. One can only wish/hope/dream.
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Re: NFL's Patriots Buy Two 767s ?!?

Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:22 pm

hinckley wrote:
but it was crazy-expensive


Care to share? Just curious as people have different definitions of crazy expensive.
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Re: NFL's Patriots Buy Two 767s ?!?

Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:38 pm

Revelation wrote:
From Jon Ostrower's Twitter: Not the first time something from Seattle is owned by New England.


Hopefully someone has schooled this Ostrower the 767 is from Everett, not Seattle. There IS a difference.
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