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jumbojet wrote:The first airline that came to my mind, JetBlue. This seems to be the perfect route for them to start TATL service. obviously, there would be very little feed on the BUF end of things. An A321 or a B737 would be the perfect aircraft. I can see DL having a go at BUF TATL. Best bet would be either Norwegian or Wow Air.
maximairways wrote:jumbojet wrote:The first airline that came to my mind, JetBlue. This seems to be the perfect route for them to start TATL service. obviously, there would be very little feed on the BUF end of things. An A321 or a B737 would be the perfect aircraft. I can see DL having a go at BUF TATL. Best bet would be either Norwegian or Wow Air.
Why do you say there would be very little feed? Buffalo isn't a tiny city, the metro population is only slightly smaller than Salt Lake City, Hartford, and New Orleans.
maximairways wrote:jumbojet wrote:The first airline that came to my mind, JetBlue. This seems to be the perfect route for them to start TATL service. obviously, there would be very little feed on the BUF end of things. An A321 or a B737 would be the perfect aircraft. I can see DL having a go at BUF TATL. Best bet would be either Norwegian or Wow Air.
Why do you say there would be very little feed? Buffalo isn't a tiny city, the metro population is only slightly smaller than Salt Lake City, Hartford, and New Orleans.
SpaceshipDC10 wrote:Besides D8 and WW, I wonder if Condor couldn't propose flights to BUF in place of or in parallel to YYZ they are now serving?
Midwestindy wrote:maximairways wrote:jumbojet wrote:The first airline that came to my mind, JetBlue. This seems to be the perfect route for them to start TATL service. obviously, there would be very little feed on the BUF end of things. An A321 or a B737 would be the perfect aircraft. I can see DL having a go at BUF TATL. Best bet would be either Norwegian or Wow Air.
Why do you say there would be very little feed? Buffalo isn't a tiny city, the metro population is only slightly smaller than Salt Lake City, Hartford, and New Orleans.
By feed I presume they mean connecting traffic.
Midwestindy wrote:SpaceshipDC10 wrote:Besides D8 and WW, I wonder if Condor couldn't propose flights to BUF in place of or in parallel to YYZ they are now serving?
The article said the most likely and best suited aircraft would be in the 150 to 180 seat range. None of DE's planes that can reach BUF have anywhere near that number, (the smallest being 233 seats), so doubtful. FI on the other hand is a possibility as well, because they have planes that are the right size for the market.
AvroLanc wrote:Living in Hamilton area I would look forward to an alternative to Europe from YYZ. Hopefully some healthy direct flights. But alas the CDN dollar needs a little more strength to lure Canadians.
kjeld0d wrote:Have they talked to Baltia?
kavok wrote:Between this and news of other non-hub airports in the US getting, or trying to get, a transatlantic flight... it seems all of these airports are now on the verge of being awarded flights to Europe.
It is practically an Oprah show now. "Transatlantic for you, and transatlantic for you, and transatlantic for you..."
RL757PVD wrote:Taxes are one thing, but look at airport costs!
But Hartford’s Bradley landed Aer Lingus with an incentive package — up to $9 million in revenue guarantees over two years offered by the State of Connecticut — along with a $3.6 million marketing program over the next three years.
Vanecek says New York offers no similar incentives. Neither does any local government like Erie County. As a result, competing against such incentives proves difficult for the NFTA when international carriers explore new U.S. airports.
“If I’m looking at Bradley and they throw $9 million at me, it’s a no-brainer,” he acknowledged. “It’s difficult to operate under those conditions.”
ltbewr wrote:As to Canadian customers, let us not forget the potential hassles of entering the USA, additional travel times including USA border processing, limited frequency (especially if things go wrong), as well as fluctuations in USA/Canadian exchange rates that may be unfavorable that could limit opportunities to TATL at BUF.
airzona11 wrote:Back when WN had their BUF-PHX non stops, I would fly a few times a year, and it was a decent amount Canadians on board.
737MAX/A321LR seems to be the most likely play. Or even an old 757.
"Longtime local residents surely recall the days when charter flights to Europe often arrived and departed from Niagara Falls."
maximairways wrote:A fairly comprehensive article about BUF's attempts to bring in transatlantic service, having met with 43 different airlines in the last 2 years.
They sound fairly optimistic it will happen.
http://buffalonews.com/2017/08/05/buffa ... c-flights/
jumbojet wrote:Midwestindy wrote:maximairways wrote:Why do you say there would be very little feed? Buffalo isn't a tiny city, the metro population is only slightly smaller than Salt Lake City, Hartford, and New Orleans.
By feed I presume they mean connecting traffic.
that is correct. I mean, is BUF even a hub or a focus city for any airline?
cvgComair wrote:jumbojet wrote:Midwestindy wrote:By feed I presume they mean connecting traffic.
that is correct. I mean, is BUF even a hub or a focus city for any airline?
BUF is not a hub or focus city for any airline and I highly doubt there is much (if any) connecting traffic.
Buffalomatt1027 wrote:So it is possible to sell an airline on that idea and BNIA already has that bus service to Toronto Niagara falls. So it wouldnt be something new they would have to add.
Buffalomatt1027 wrote:cvgComair wrote:jumbojet wrote:that is correct. I mean, is BUF even a hub or a focus city for any airline?
BUF is not a hub or focus city for any airline and I highly doubt there is much (if any) connecting traffic.
BNIA / Buffalo would have to be the end destination for passengers and not a hub where people would pick up connecting flights.
They would have to sell that BNIA is about a 90 minute drive to Toronto and 20 minutes from Niagara Falls. That seems crazy right?
But Seattle Airport has Emirates service with has bus service to Vancouver, Canada. The bus service is 156 miles, 3 hours+ bus ride, and a US / Canada boarder in between.
So it is possible to sell an airline on that idea and BNIA already has that bus service to Toronto Niagara falls. So it wouldnt be something new they would have to add.
flyPIT wrote:"Longtime local residents surely recall the days when charter flights to Europe often arrived and departed from Niagara Falls."
http://www.niagara-gazette.com/opinion/glynn-falls-airport-left-out-of-overseas-flight-talks/article_e21c814b-146c-589e-81fe-87b4c889b5e0.html
Anyone have any details about these flights?
787fan8 wrote:If a TATL flight ever does come to fruition at BUF, I would say Norwegian, Icelandair and WOW Air are the 3 airlines most likely to start it.
Buffalomatt1027 wrote:Could see FI since BUF is in MAX range.http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/wow-air-expands-across-us-offering-four-new-midwest-destinations-300508233.html
I feel like Buffalo / BNIA missed out on this one ..... it would've been a nice addition! But once again, new routes going to airports that are continuing to grow. In the original Buffalo news article, Iceland was specifically mentioned too.
But maybe BNIA just needs more flights to prove it can handle more passengers. In 2006 or 2007 (i think) BNIA hit 5.5 million passengers and showed growth before the mergers.