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MichianaOrthx wrote:
Does anybody have any further information on this? Which airports do you believe could see an upgrade in service?
Rdh3e wrote:MichianaOrthx wrote:
Does anybody have any further information on this? Which airports do you believe could see an upgrade in service?
Sounds like a hope and a prayer based in the forthcoming announced ORD schedule revamp. No reason to think its likely.
MichianaOrthx wrote:Rdh3e wrote:MichianaOrthx wrote:
Does anybody have any further information on this? Which airports do you believe could see an upgrade in service?
Sounds like a hope and a prayer based in the forthcoming announced ORD schedule revamp. No reason to think its likely.
Perhaps, but it might not be unreasonable. The aviation researcher and airport director mentioned in the article might have some insider information, that has yet to be made privy to the public.
MichianaOrthx wrote:Perhaps, but it might not be unreasonable. The aviation researcher and airport director mentioned in the article might have some insider information, that has yet to be made privy to the public.
jetblueguy22 wrote:Airport directors are sales people. They always oversell
MichianaOrthx wrote:According to this article (https://www.ilnews.org/news/statewide/u ... 024d4.html), United might soon be upgrading its routes between ORD and smaller Central Illinois airports like PIA, CMI and SPI to mainline service as opposed to solely regional routes.
Does anybody have any further information on this? Which airports do you believe could see an upgrade in service?
jetblueguy22 wrote:MichianaOrthx wrote:Rdh3e wrote:Sounds like a hope and a prayer based in the forthcoming announced ORD schedule revamp. No reason to think its likely.
Perhaps, but it might not be unreasonable. The aviation researcher and airport director mentioned in the article might have some insider information, that has yet to be made privy to the public.
Airport directors are sales people. They always oversell
MichianaOrthx wrote:I certainly agree with that statement. However, the article also mentions that an aviation consultant with R.W. Mann also foresees mainline service as a possibility, that to me adds a little more credence to the possibility that some of these routes may see an upgrade.
AMollenhauer9 wrote:I like the idea, but I still don't get where the aircraft are coming from. They are taking a couple of additionally A319s, but since the 737-700 order was cancelled I didn't think they would have the aircraft to begin mainline service to all of these new destinations. (MSN, MKE, IND, CVG, MEM etc).
jetskipper wrote:AMollenhauerwitj9 wrote:I like the idea, but I still don't get where the aircraft are coming from. They are taking a couple of additionally A319s, but since the 737-700 order was cancelled I didn't think they would have the aircraft to begin mainline service to all of these new destinations. (MSN, MKE, IND, CVG, MEM etc).
It could possibly be RONs only with the addition of a late ORD bank. You could use an AC that was going to spend the night at ORD to do a 22:45 departure to SPI, PIA, MLI, BMI or SBN, FWA in Indiana and then do a 5:45-6:00 departure back to ORD in the morning and squeeze a little more revenue out of them.
32andBelow wrote:jetskipper wrote:AMollenhauerwitj9 wrote:I like the idea, but I still don't get where the aircraft are coming from. They are taking a couple of additionally A319s, but since the 737-700 order was cancelled I didn't think they would have the aircraft to begin mainline service to all of these new destinations. (MSN, MKE, IND, CVG, MEM etc).
It could possibly be RONs only with the addition of a late ORD bank. You could use an AC that was going to spend the night at ORD to do a 22:45 departure to SPI, PIA, MLI, BMI or SBN, FWA in Indiana and then do a 5:45-6:00 departure back to ORD in the morning and squeeze a little more revenue out of them.
With a schedule like that your 737 crew would be stuck int get in the tiny station for a day and a half. You'd need to add a midday or have the plane remain at least 10 hours.
deltairlines wrote:32andBelow wrote:jetskipper wrote:
It could possibly be RONs only with the addition of a late ORD bank. You could use an AC that was going to spend the night at ORD to do a 22:45 departure to SPI, PIA, MLI, BMI or SBN, FWA in Indiana and then do a 5:45-6:00 departure back to ORD in the morning and squeeze a little more revenue out of them.
With a schedule like that your 737 crew would be stuck int get in the tiny station for a day and a half. You'd need to add a midday or have the plane remain at least 10 hours.
Don't know the pilot or FA contracts, but it's possible they do a lean-over - have the crew originate for the last flight of the night, fly the plane, go to a hotel to nap for 4 hours, and then fly back to ORD and that would be the end of the assignment for the crew.
deltairlines wrote:32andBelow wrote:jetskipper wrote:
It could possibly be RONs only with the addition of a late ORD bank. You could use an AC that was going to spend the night at ORD to do a 22:45 departure to SPI, PIA, MLI, BMI or SBN, FWA in Indiana and then do a 5:45-6:00 departure back to ORD in the morning and squeeze a little more revenue out of them.
With a schedule like that your 737 crew would be stuck int get in the tiny station for a day and a half. You'd need to add a midday or have the plane remain at least 10 hours.
Don't know the pilot or FA contracts, but it's possible they do a lean-over - have the crew originate for the last flight of the night, fly the plane, go to a hotel to nap for 4 hours, and then fly back to ORD and that would be the end of the assignment for the crew.
AMollenhauer9 wrote:Yeah i'm not sure, but that's brings up a good point. They do the last flight in/first flight out with an Airbus in CVG currently, so I would be curious to see how it works.
VC10er wrote:is there UA service from those airports to their other hubs as well?
capitalflyer wrote:This could also mean that underperforming destinations will be eliminated as a result of rebanking. Perhaps CMI is on the chopping block with only 3 flights per day. Or perhaps they would cut to 1 flight per day on CR7/9 E70/75. Or perhaps PIA, or (insert small IL airport here).
32andBelow wrote:deltairlines wrote:32andBelow wrote:With a schedule like that your 737 crew would be stuck int get in the tiny station for a day and a half. You'd need to add a midday or have the plane remain at least 10 hours.
Don't know the pilot or FA contracts, but it's possible they do a lean-over - have the crew originate for the last flight of the night, fly the plane, go to a hotel to nap for 4 hours, and then fly back to ORD and that would be the end of the assignment for the crew.
Yes this is possible but it's not a very good practice and is stil costly as you usually only get 2 short legs out of 14+ hours of duty. Also they could just deadhead crews in and out on regional but then you have uncertainty of them getting there or not.
727200 wrote:What is the cost of a guppy to run an hour? Something like $8-10K At that price do the loads, and I mean connecting passengers, justify sending a plane 200 miles and return? I would think not, but stranger things have happend.
kcrwflyer wrote:32andBelow wrote:deltairlines wrote:
Don't know the pilot or FA contracts, but it's possible they do a lean-over - have the crew originate for the last flight of the night, fly the plane, go to a hotel to nap for 4 hours, and then fly back to ORD and that would be the end of the assignment for the crew.
Yes this is possible but it's not a very good practice and is stil costly as you usually only get 2 short legs out of 14+ hours of duty. Also they could just deadhead crews in and out on regional but then you have uncertainty of them getting there or not.
DL flies 1x mainline to plenty of smaller markets. If they can figure out the staffing I'm sure UA can.
Without looking at any of these cities flight schedules.... If you RON two 50-seat jets, then it could make sense to condense those into one of your smallest-gauge mainline jets if those morning flights are strong performers.727200 wrote:What is the cost of a guppy to run an hour? Something like $8-10K At that price do the loads, and I mean connecting passengers, justify sending a plane 200 miles and return? I would think not, but stranger things have happend.
Delta does it.
mke717spotter wrote:UA has been using mainline on ORD-MSN for a while now so I guess these proposed routes are similar in terms of distance and city size.
AMollenhauer9 wrote:deltairlines wrote:32andBelow wrote:With a schedule like that your 737 crew would be stuck int get in the tiny station for a day and a half. You'd need to add a midday or have the plane remain at least 10 hours.
Don't know the pilot or FA contracts, but it's possible they do a lean-over - have the crew originate for the last flight of the night, fly the plane, go to a hotel to nap for 4 hours, and then fly back to ORD and that would be the end of the assignment for the crew.
Yeah i'm not sure, but that's brings up a good point. They do the last flight in/first flight out with an Airbus in CVG currently, so I would be curious to see how it works.