Confirmed: DL to start MCO-AMS

Midwestindy · Sat Aug 05, 2017 2:29 am

Lots of speculation about TATL flights has come out in recent days, and here is some more.

Various sources from within Delta have said DL plans to launch MCO-AMS on a 763. It will be daily service and has a tentative start date of 3/30/18 but a public release from DL should be released soon (likely during this weekend's schedule load). Sources have also said that DL will be adding more flights from MCO in the future, but no destinations or new flights have been determined yet.

http://blog.wandr.me/2017/08/rumors-nas ... ays-delta/
https://twitter.com/GoldboxATL/status/8 ... 8473486337
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta-ai ... -18-a.html

Flighty · Sat Aug 05, 2017 2:35 am

I guess the main surprise is that we haven't seen huge rumors about this before. DL is huge in Florida and it makes sense to do MCO-AMS.

Midwestindy · Sat Aug 05, 2017 3:23 am

Flighty wrote:
I guess the main surprise is that we haven't seen huge rumors about this before. DL is huge in Florida and it makes sense to do MCO-AMS.

Yeah, I'm quite surprised myself, has MCO-AMS/CDG not been tried before?

flymco753 · Sat Aug 05, 2017 3:26 am

MCO could be announced as a focus city similar to RDU's operation, only slightly larger offering connections from DL to AM and beyond. I'm expecting an MCO-SJU announcement as well as other Caribbean markets as secondary flow to ATL. MSP and DTW work as secondary to each other perfectly.

BoeingGuy · Sat Aug 05, 2017 3:55 am

One of the articles mentions both DL MCO-AMS and BNA-LHR. Neither sound unbelievable at all. Both seem like reasonable new routes.

I do agree that I'm surprised that MCO doesn't already have AMS and CDG on DL.

ElroyJetson · Sat Aug 05, 2017 4:03 am

Interesting news and yeah....I think the route will work. If Aer Lingus can make DUB-MCO work DL can certainly make AMS-MCO work.

Good move by DL if true.

MIflyer12 · Sat Aug 05, 2017 4:16 am

Midwestindy wrote:
Flighty wrote:
I guess the main surprise is that we haven't seen huge rumors about this before. DL is huge in Florida and it makes sense to do MCO-AMS.

Yeah, I'm quite surprised myself, has MCO-AMS/CDG not been tried before?

AF did MCO-CDG not that long ago (certainly within the present life of the DL/AF/KL JV) and it didn't last long.

viewtopic.php?t=532225

KLM's MIA-AMS didn't last long in that era, either.

viewtopic.php?t=530667

AVLAirlineFreq · Sat Aug 05, 2017 4:25 am

BoeingGuy wrote:
One of the articles mentions both DL MCO-AMS and BNA-LHR. Neither sound unbelievable at all. Both seem like reasonable new routes.

I do agree that I'm surprised that MCO doesn't already have AMS and CDG on DL.

Just to clarify, LHR-BNA will be on BA.

ANA787 · Sat Aug 05, 2017 4:41 am

PDX-CDG?

MAH4546 · Sat Aug 05, 2017 4:42 am

ElroyJetson wrote:
Interesting news and yeah....I think the route will work. If Aer Lingus can make DUB-MCO work DL can certainly make AMS-MCO work.

Good move by DL if true.

MCO-DUB is a massive local market, 5x+ the size of MCOAMS.

BoeingGuy · Sat Aug 05, 2017 4:42 am

AVLAirlineFreq wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:
One of the articles mentions both DL MCO-AMS and BNA-LHR. Neither sound unbelievable at all. Both seem like reasonable new routes.

I do agree that I'm surprised that MCO doesn't already have AMS and CDG on DL.

Just to clarify, LHR-BNA will be on BA.

Yes, I meant to put BA. However DL has added a few new LHR routes too.

AntonioMartin · Sat Aug 05, 2017 5:19 am

Well, since Frontier will start competing with them on their SJU-Hartsfield run and will start SJU-MCO, perhaps Delta will return to SJU-MCO? Lots of Puerto Ricans living at Orlando and the area..

But again, with Allegiant from Sanford, JetBlue, Southwest, Spirit and now Frontier, the route is crowded so, we'll see I guess...

einsteinboricua · Sat Aug 05, 2017 5:36 am

flymco753 wrote:
I'm expecting an MCO-SJU announcement

With so many players flying MCO-SJU, does DL really stand a chance to crack MCO-SJU? I remember when they flew it, then canceled, then flew it again, then canceled it again. And this was at a time when MCO was still a big player for them.

Heck, even AA stopped MCO-SJU long before SJU was dehubbed.

I don't see DL even bothering with it.

SANFan · Sat Aug 05, 2017 6:33 am

Despite almost every post in this thread talking about TATL service on DL from MCO, the links seem to indicate the topic might be much broader, with other U.S. cities being considered for Europe service, including the west coast. I guess DL is more likely to start intercontinental service from non-hub cities in the U.S. than either UA or AA so this might turn into something interesting. Another important factor of course, is what DL alliance partners, KL/AF, are planning as far as additional U.S. service.

bb

Alsatian · Sat Aug 05, 2017 7:08 am

Schedules are released :

DL126 MCO2145 – 1245+1AMS 76W D
DL127 AMS1315 – 1741MCO 76W D

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... le-in-s18/

Oykie · Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:02 am

SANFan wrote:
Despite almost every post in this thread talking about TATL service on DL from MCO, the links seem to indicate the topic might be much broader, with other U.S. cities being considered for Europe service, including the west coast. I guess DL is more likely to start intercontinental service from non-hub cities in the U.S. than either UA or AA so this might turn into something interesting. Another important factor of course, is what DL alliance partners, KL/AF, are planning as far as additional U.S. service.

bb

If this is true, then we finally have some very welcome response from the US3 towards international competition. Delta has a superb product. I would love to fly Delta across the Atlantic. Lately there have been a lot of complaining from the US3 about competition and hiding the head in the sand. The best way to respond to new competition? Fight back. Compete. I hope that more intercontinental routes from non HUB routes are true. Nice addition with the MCO flight.

by738 · Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:07 am

Were MCO pax ex AMS ever routed through UK VS services?

axiom · Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:22 am

by738 wrote:
Were MCO pax ex AMS ever routed through UK VS services?

VS flies MCO-LGW; KL doesn't serve LGW.

This is great news. Central Florida needed a Skyteam link to a major EU hub, of which AMS is great. Makes it infinitely easier for me to transfer from my home on the North of England to see family in Florida.

by738 · Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:57 am

axiom wrote:
by738 wrote:
Were MCO pax ex AMS ever routed through UK VS services?

VS flies MCO-LGW; KL doesn't serve LGW.

.... and MAN and GLA and BFS...

Jerry123 · Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:06 am

This will be a welcome addition to the 1 stop options with KLM from Cardiff Airport and many regional airport's. Orlando is really popular from South Wales. Maybe in the future they'll look at direct flights to UK regional airports that don't have a direct link or only a small offering like BHX .

jfklganyc · Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:09 am

Back to the Future for Delta at MCO?

The" hublet" didnt work for them in the 90s. We shall see now

KTPAFlyer · Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:31 am

Its loaded on DL's website, we can change it from rumor to confirmed!

klm617 · Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:33 am

Hopefully Detroit will some consideration and maybe they will add MAN or DUB or even the return of KLM

AntonioMartin · Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:34 am

einsteinboricua wrote:
flymco753 wrote:

I don't see DL even bothering with it.

Perhaps since Frontier will go head to head with them on San Juan-Atlanta and is also starting MCO-SJU......we'll see..

787fan8 · Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:36 am

MCO has been rocking it these past few years with new TATL service. As for this particular service, I say it's a sign of a possible focus city for DL.

klm617 · Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:31 pm

AVLAirlineFreq wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:
One of the articles mentions both DL MCO-AMS and BNA-LHR. Neither sound unbelievable at all. Both seem like reasonable new routes.

I do agree that I'm surprised that MCO doesn't already have AMS and CDG on DL.

Just to clarify, LHR-BNA will be on BA.

That is only speculation at this point nothing is set in stone until it is formally announce and a BA aircraft lands on a BNA runway.

klm617 · Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:35 pm

Oykie wrote:
SANFan wrote:
Despite almost every post in this thread talking about TATL service on DL from MCO, the links seem to indicate the topic might be much broader, with other U.S. cities being considered for Europe service, including the west coast. I guess DL is more likely to start intercontinental service from non-hub cities in the U.S. than either UA or AA so this might turn into something interesting. Another important factor of course, is what DL alliance partners, KL/AF, are planning as far as additional U.S. service.

bb

If this is true, then we finally have some very welcome response from the US3 towards international competition. Delta has a superb product. I would love to fly Delta across the Atlantic. Lately there have been a lot of complaining from the US3 about competition and hiding the head in the sand. The best way to respond to new competition? Fight back. Compete. I hope that more intercontinental routes from non HUB routes are true. Nice addition with the MCO flight.

I agree instead of wining fly it and show your product is superior to the compete tor and they will come. Time to add some more upper Midwest capacity that is a big hole in the Delta system right now as far as flying into non hub airports in Europe.

axiom · Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:37 pm

by738 wrote:
axiom wrote:
by738 wrote:
Were MCO pax ex AMS ever routed through UK VS services?

VS flies MCO-LGW; KL doesn't serve LGW.

.... and MAN and GLA and BFS...

Ah, yes - I am sure VS is sending huge volumes of people to AMS over their seasonal weekly BFS flight...

FLYKTPA · Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:54 pm

I'm sure this flight will be packed. If this flight does well, hopefully DL would look into adding AMS-TPA 3 or 4 times a week. I know that both AMS and TPA are working hard to to make AMS-TPA a reality.

Midwestindy · Sat Aug 05, 2017 1:15 pm

KTPAFlyer wrote:
Its loaded on DL's website, we can change it from rumor to confirmed!

Busyboy2 · Sat Aug 05, 2017 1:15 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
ElroyJetson wrote:
Interesting news and yeah....I think the route will work. If Aer Lingus can make DUB-MCO work DL can certainly make AMS-MCO work.

Good move by DL if true.

MCO-DUB is a massive local market, 5x+ the size of MCOAMS.

Yes, but Dublin doesn't have the global reach with KLM at Amsterdam.

JeremyB · Sat Aug 05, 2017 1:19 pm

Alsatian wrote:
Schedules are released :

DL126 MCO2145 – 1245+1AMS 76W D
DL127 AMS1315 – 1741MCO 76W D

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... le-in-s18/

Ehm not sure if this is correct, but 30 minutes for a turn-around on a 767 seems really short.

Midwestindy · Sat Aug 05, 2017 1:20 pm

https://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nieuws/ ... ar-orlando
https://www.upinthesky.nl/2017/08/05/de ... ndo-zomer/

Here are some articles in Dutch about the announcement.

phatfarmlines · Sat Aug 05, 2017 1:35 pm

JeremyB wrote:
Alsatian wrote:
Schedules are released :

DL126 MCO2145 – 1245+1AMS 76W D
DL127 AMS1315 – 1741MCO 76W D

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... le-in-s18/

Ehm not sure if this is correct, but 30 minutes for a turn-around on a 767 seems really short.

This will likely rotate to a different DL hub from AMS. AMS is a large station for DL given the JV with KL.

factsonly · Sat Aug 05, 2017 1:37 pm

JeremyB wrote:
Alsatian wrote:
Schedules are released :

DL126 MCO2145 – 1245+1AMS 76W D
DL127 AMS1315 – 1741MCO 76W D

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... le-in-s18/

Ehm not sure if this is correct, but 30 minutes for a turn-around on a 767 seems really short.

Delta operates its largest foreign hub at AMS with MCO as its 20th daily departure.

- A332 = 5x daily to: DTW (3x) / SLC / SEA
- A333 = 12x daily to: DTW / ATL (3x) / JFK / PDX / MSP (3x) / BOS (2x) / SEA
- B763 = 3x daily to: JFK / EWR / MCO

At AMS the DL jets get swapped between routes, so the B763 will arrive from MCO and depart to EWR v.v.
Here is a B763 example for this week in S17:

2017-08-05 DL20 EWR - CDG
2017-08-05 DL149 AMS - EWR
2017-08-04 DL46 JFK - AMS
2017-08-04 DL43 BRU - JFK
2017-08-03 DL42 JFK - BRU
2017-08-03 DL270 AGP - JFK
2017-08-02 DL470 JFK - AGP

atl100million · Sat Aug 05, 2017 1:46 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
Back to the Future for Delta at MCO?

The" hublet" didnt work for them in the 90s. We shall see now

This route and others are a reflection that Florida is a huge market both for domestic and international flights. The best way for DL and its JV partners to ensure that they get their share of the market and to limit the growth of low fare carriers in their key markets is to actually fly the markets themselves.

DL already flies more transatlantic capacity from AMS than any other airline including KLM.

Based on the seat map, DL is operating the flight on a “small business class cabin” 767 which means a total capacity of 225 or so seats – ideal for a leisure-heavy route.

klm617 wrote:
Oykie wrote:
SANFan wrote:
Despite almost every post in this thread talking about TATL service on DL from MCO, the links seem to indicate the topic might be much broader, with other U.S. cities being considered for Europe service, including the west coast. I guess DL is more likely to start intercontinental service from non-hub cities in the U.S. than either UA or AA so this might turn into something interesting. Another important factor of course, is what DL alliance partners, KL/AF, are planning as far as additional U.S. service.

bb

If this is true, then we finally have some very welcome response from the US3 towards international competition. Delta has a superb product. I would love to fly Delta across the Atlantic. Lately there have been a lot of complaining from the US3 about competition and hiding the head in the sand. The best way to respond to new competition? Fight back. Compete. I hope that more intercontinental routes from non HUB routes are true. Nice addition with the MCO flight.

I agree instead of wining fly it and show your product is superior to the compete tor and they will come. Time to add some more upper Midwest capacity that is a big hole in the Delta system right now as far as flying into non hub airports in Europe.

DL flies its own metal to more cities in Europe than any other airline and does it from more cities in the US than any other US airline. Only BA flies from more cities in the US but almost all of their flights are to one city.

DL theoretically could use its 757s to add more routes like PIT-CDG but let’s not pretend that there are a whole lot of other airlines out there flying to Midwest cities that DL is leaving untouched.

While not in the Midwest, even if BA starts BNA-LHR, the best way that DL can limit BA’s success is to start seasonal BNA to AMS or CDG service to pull off the highest value passengers to continental Europe and beyond. DL’s AUS to Europe flights follow that model. The same is true for any other Midwest city, the difference being that large chunks of the Midwest are within range of the 757 to AMS/CDG in the summer but BNA, MSY, AUS and other cities require a widebody.

JeremyB wrote:
Alsatian wrote:
Schedules are released :

DL126 MCO2145 – 1245+1AMS 76W D
DL127 AMS1315 – 1741MCO 76W D

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... le-in-s18/

Ehm not sure if this is correct, but 30 minutes for a turn-around on a 767 seems really short.

The aircraft obviously rotates at AMS with other DL 767s.

It is also noteworthy that it operates after many of the other DL flights at MCO which means that DL likely incurs few additional costs and better utilization of its facilities just as like its MCO-GRU flight.

The times also allow a 7 pm departure from MCO to a number of potential destinations if DL desires to build out its MCO schedule. There was talk at one time that DL reconfigured the 319s so that they could be used from Florida to Central/S. America (part of why, IIRC, they have hot galleys and full IFE) to provide an international level of service which isn’t necessary on domestic flights.

JeremyB · Sat Aug 05, 2017 1:53 pm

factsonly wrote:
JeremyB wrote:
Alsatian wrote:
Schedules are released :

DL126 MCO2145 – 1245+1AMS 76W D
DL127 AMS1315 – 1741MCO 76W D

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... le-in-s18/

Ehm not sure if this is correct, but 30 minutes for a turn-around on a 767 seems really short.

Delta operates its largest foreign hub at AMS with MCO as its 20th daily departure.

- A332 = 5x daily to: DTW (3x) / SLC / SEA
- A333 = 12x daily to: DTW / ATL (3x) / JFK / PDX / MSP (3x) / BOS (2x) / SEA
- B763 = 3x daily to: JFK / EWR / MCO

At AMS the DL jets get swapped between routes, so the B763 will arrive from MCO and depart to EWR v.v.
Here is a B763 example for this week in S17:

2017-08-05 DL20 EWR - CDG
2017-08-05 DL149 AMS - EWR
2017-08-04 DL46 JFK - AMS
2017-08-04 DL43 BRU - JFK
2017-08-03 DL42 JFK - BRU
2017-08-03 DL270 AGP - JFK
2017-08-02 DL470 JFK - AGP

I completely forgot that they still use the 767 on the EWR and JFK routes. It indeed looks like they will combine EWR and MCO. DL149 arrives at 7:30am and DL148 departs again at 3:15pm.
Thanks Factsonly

bobnwa · Sat Aug 05, 2017 2:22 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
Flighty wrote:
I guess the main surprise is that we haven't seen huge rumors about this before. DL is huge in Florida and it makes sense to do MCO-AMS.

Yeah, I'm quite surprised myself, has MCO-AMS/CDG not been tried before?

It was tried before but was flown by KL

msycajun · Sat Aug 05, 2017 2:54 pm

This illustrates why I think DL was crazy not to take the 787s. The 767s won't be around forever and the 787 is perfect for new non-hub routes to European hubs as BA has repeatedly demonstrated. On the bright side, at least AF and KL have 789s in the fleet.

At any rate, it's nice to see Skyteam getting into the non-hub-Europe game.

Midwestindy · Sat Aug 05, 2017 3:09 pm

SANFan wrote:
Despite almost every post in this thread talking about TATL service on DL from MCO, the links seem to indicate the topic might be much broader, with other U.S. cities being considered for Europe service, including the west coast. I guess DL is more likely to start intercontinental service from non-hub cities in the U.S. than either UA or AA so this might turn into something interesting. Another important factor of course, is what DL alliance partners, KL/AF, are planning as far as additional U.S. service.

bb

"Hearing #Delta will be announcing new international routes as early as today; some from focus cities. " I agree this seems to maybe be larger than just MCO. I have heard lots of chatter/confirmations that a number of US airports have met with/talked to "a certain airline" about flights to AMS in the past few weeks, should be an interesting fall in terms of new int'l routes...

gatibosgru · Sat Aug 05, 2017 3:31 pm

msycajun wrote:
This illustrates why I think DL was crazy not to take the 787s. The 767s won't be around forever and the 787 is perfect for new non-hub routes to European hubs as BA has repeatedly demonstrated.

That's what the A330s are for.

msycajun · Sat Aug 05, 2017 3:45 pm

gatibosgru wrote:
msycajun wrote:
This illustrates why I think DL was crazy not to take the 787s. The 767s won't be around forever and the 787 is perfect for new non-hub routes to European hubs as BA has repeatedly demonstrated.

That's what the A330s are for.

There are not many 332s left and everything DL has on order is larger. There's no long-term 763/~210-230 seat replacement. The 788s they had on order would have filled that niche.

Cubsrule · Sat Aug 05, 2017 3:45 pm

atl100million wrote:
While not in the Midwest, even if BA starts BNA-LHR, the best way that DL can limit BA’s success is to start seasonal BNA to AMS or CDG service to pull off the highest value passengers to continental Europe and beyond. DL’s AUS to Europe flights follow that model. The same is true for any other Midwest city, the difference being that large chunks of the Midwest are within range of the 757 to AMS/CDG in the summer but BNA, MSY, AUS and other cities require a widebody.

Have I missed another AUS announcement in the past week? I thought DL had added AUS TATL for SXSW only. BNA doesn't really have an analog to SXSW.

With regard to BNA, one issue is that much of the healthcare business traffic is to the U.K. LHR isn't a great hub, but it's adequate for the largest onward destinations and BNA does not have significant demand in the niches where AMS and CDG excel (e.g. AMS-northern Europe or CDG-Africa).

Oykie · Sat Aug 05, 2017 3:56 pm

Oykie wrote:
klm617 wrote:
atl100million wrote:

DL flies its own metal to more cities in Europe than any other airline and does it from more cities in the US than any other US airline. Only BA flies from more cities in the US but almost all of their flights are to one city.

They fly a lot to Europe, but have concentrated more and more to the larger cities like AMS, LHR and CDG. While understandable, I still miss them in Norway. I remember when they used to fly their A310 from JFK. If I want to book a ticket on delta.com most flights are routed through AMS og CDG. And a lot of them ar codeshare flights operated by KLM and Air France.

Here is an idea. What if DL started flying to smaller places in Europe like OSL 3x a week from JFK, 2x a week from LAX, and 2x a week from MCO? Then OSL would gain daily DL service and DL could offer service to 3 popular destinations in the US. They would also make life more difficult for airlines like DY if they would have done this to more second tier cities that they have done in the past.

Midwestindy · Sat Aug 05, 2017 4:19 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
atl100million wrote:
While not in the Midwest, even if BA starts BNA-LHR, the best way that DL can limit BA’s success is to start seasonal BNA to AMS or CDG service to pull off the highest value passengers to continental Europe and beyond. DL’s AUS to Europe flights follow that model. The same is true for any other Midwest city, the difference being that large chunks of the Midwest are within range of the 757 to AMS/CDG in the summer but BNA, MSY, AUS and other cities require a widebody.

Have I missed another AUS announcement in the past week? I thought DL had added AUS TATL for SXSW only. BNA doesn't really have an analog to SXSW.

With regard to BNA, one issue is that much of the healthcare business traffic is to the U.K. LHR isn't a great hub, but it's adequate for the largest onward destinations and BNA does not have significant demand in the niches where AMS and CDG excel (e.g. AMS-northern Europe or CDG-Africa).

Healthcare won't/doesn't provide much business travel, as most of the healthcare companies are focussed within the US. The largest, HCA (Hospital Corporation of America) only operates 8 hospitals in UK and none elsewhere in Europe, not really anything to write home about and doesn't require that much business travel.

A better driver of TATL travel would be UBS, which is based in Switzerland, and has over 1,500 employees in Nashville. I don't know how much travel they have from BNA-Switzerland, but I would assume it is more than HCA.

777Mech · Sat Aug 05, 2017 4:25 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
atl100million wrote:
While not in the Midwest, even if BA starts BNA-LHR, the best way that DL can limit BA’s success is to start seasonal BNA to AMS or CDG service to pull off the highest value passengers to continental Europe and beyond. DL’s AUS to Europe flights follow that model. The same is true for any other Midwest city, the difference being that large chunks of the Midwest are within range of the 757 to AMS/CDG in the summer but BNA, MSY, AUS and other cities require a widebody.

Have I missed another AUS announcement in the past week? I thought DL had added AUS TATL for SXSW only. BNA doesn't really have an analog to SXSW.

With regard to BNA, one issue is that much of the healthcare business traffic is to the U.K. LHR isn't a great hub, but it's adequate for the largest onward destinations and BNA does not have significant demand in the niches where AMS and CDG excel (e.g. AMS-northern Europe or CDG-Africa).

Healthcare won't/doesn't provide much business travel, as most of the healthcare companies are focussed within the US. The largest, HCA (Hospital Corporation of America) only operates 8 hospitals in UK and none elsewhere in Europe, not really anything to write home about and doesn't require that much business travel.

A better driver of TATL travel would be UBS, which is based in Switzerland, and has over 1,500 employees in Nashville. I don't know how much travel they have from BNA-Switzerland, but I would assume it is more than HCA.

Can we keep the thread in topic? This can be discussed in the BA thread..

Cubsrule · Sat Aug 05, 2017 4:29 pm

777Mech wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:

Have I missed another AUS announcement in the past week? I thought DL had added AUS TATL for SXSW only. BNA doesn't really have an analog to SXSW.

With regard to BNA, one issue is that much of the healthcare business traffic is to the U.K. LHR isn't a great hub, but it's adequate for the largest onward destinations and BNA does not have significant demand in the niches where AMS and CDG excel (e.g. AMS-northern Europe or CDG-Africa).

Healthcare won't/doesn't provide much business travel, as most of the healthcare companies are focussed within the US. The largest, HCA (Hospital Corporation of America) only operates 8 hospitals in UK and none elsewhere in Europe, not really anything to write home about and doesn't require that much business travel.

A better driver of TATL travel would be UBS, which is based in Switzerland, and has over 1,500 employees in Nashville. I don't know how much travel they have from BNA-Switzerland, but I would assume it is more than HCA.

Can we keep the thread in topic? This can be discussed in the BA thread..

Isn't this thread about spoke-AMS expansion? I'd argue that places like CMH and IND make more sense than BNA (assuming the BA rumor is true).

Midwestindy · Sat Aug 05, 2017 4:38 pm

777Mech wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:

Have I missed another AUS announcement in the past week? I thought DL had added AUS TATL for SXSW only. BNA doesn't really have an analog to SXSW.

With regard to BNA, one issue is that much of the healthcare business traffic is to the U.K. LHR isn't a great hub, but it's adequate for the largest onward destinations and BNA does not have significant demand in the niches where AMS and CDG excel (e.g. AMS-northern Europe or CDG-Africa).

Healthcare won't/doesn't provide much business travel, as most of the healthcare companies are focussed within the US. The largest, HCA (Hospital Corporation of America) only operates 8 hospitals in UK and none elsewhere in Europe, not really anything to write home about and doesn't require that much business travel.

A better driver of TATL travel would be UBS, which is based in Switzerland, and has over 1,500 employees in Nashville. I don't know how much travel they have from BNA-Switzerland, but I would assume it is more than HCA.

Can we keep the thread in topic? This can be discussed in the BA thread..

Yes, this still on topic, one of the sources mentioned that there were other cities that were set to see DL int'l routes, and someone mentioned BNA-AMS as a possiblitly

ADrum23 · Sat Aug 05, 2017 4:46 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
atl100million wrote:
While not in the Midwest, even if BA starts BNA-LHR, the best way that DL can limit BA’s success is to start seasonal BNA to AMS or CDG service to pull off the highest value passengers to continental Europe and beyond. DL’s AUS to Europe flights follow that model. The same is true for any other Midwest city, the difference being that large chunks of the Midwest are within range of the 757 to AMS/CDG in the summer but BNA, MSY, AUS and other cities require a widebody.

Have I missed another AUS announcement in the past week? I thought DL had added AUS TATL for SXSW only. BNA doesn't really have an analog to SXSW.

With regard to BNA, one issue is that much of the healthcare business traffic is to the U.K. LHR isn't a great hub, but it's adequate for the largest onward destinations and BNA does not have significant demand in the niches where AMS and CDG excel (e.g. AMS-northern Europe or CDG-Africa).

Healthcare won't/doesn't provide much business travel, as most of the healthcare companies are focussed within the US. The largest, HCA (Hospital Corporation of America) only operates 8 hospitals in UK and none elsewhere in Europe, not really anything to write home about and doesn't require that much business travel.

A better driver of TATL travel would be UBS, which is based in Switzerland, and has over 1,500 employees in Nashville. I don't know how much travel they have from BNA-Switzerland, but I would assume it is more than HCA.

Funny you mention Switzerland, where I work in the Nashville area, the other week we had someone come in from Switzerland (I forgot where). He said it took him over 14 hours to with two connections to get from Switzerland to BNA.

I can't speak for other industries, but I know a lot of the equipment we use in the food processing industry (the industry I currently work in) is manufactured or distributed by European companies.

I always thought STL would be better off having a DL flight to AMS rather than BA-LHR.

ADrum23 · Sat Aug 05, 2017 4:50 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
777Mech wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:

Healthcare won't/doesn't provide much business travel, as most of the healthcare companies are focussed within the US. The largest, HCA (Hospital Corporation of America) only operates 8 hospitals in UK and none elsewhere in Europe, not really anything to write home about and doesn't require that much business travel.

A better driver of TATL travel would be UBS, which is based in Switzerland, and has over 1,500 employees in Nashville. I don't know how much travel they have from BNA-Switzerland, but I would assume it is more than HCA.

Can we keep the thread in topic? This can be discussed in the BA thread..

Isn't this thread about spoke-AMS expansion? I'd argue that places like CMH and IND make more sense than BNA (assuming the BA rumor is true).

IND for sure could use a DL flight to AMS, but CMH? No. Delta needs to just close their hub there already.

All BNA needs is BA to LHR and either seasonal CON to FRT or DL to CDG. That would be more than adequate to handle all TATL service needs from BNA for the foreseeable future. Thought I would not be surprised if Norwegian eventually tried to start BNA-LGW, similar to AUS.

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