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jgcotter
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:18 pm

E145 N618AE is en route from MQT to DFW to re-enter service with Envoy from TSA.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N618AE
 
brooklynchris13
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:53 pm

I have been trying get a grasp on what the ultimate regional plan is for AA moving forward.. is the following summary at least a moderately accurate assessment of where things will be within 12-18 months?
CRJ2- down to around 20 frames, all with PSA
ERJ140- around 50 frames, all with Envoy
ERJ145- around 118 frames, basically split 50/50 between Envoy and Piedmont
CR7- around 120 frames, basically split 50/50 between PSA and Skywest (with some sifting around between the Express Jet & Skywest sides)
CR9- around 130 frames, basically split 50/50 between PSA and Mesa
ERJ175- around 160 frames, basically split 50/50 between Republic and Envoy (if Compass flying is returned)

Based on this, total size:
Envoy: 198 frames (ish)
PSA: 160 frames (ish)
Republic: 85 frames (ish)
Piedmont: 60 frames (ish)
Skywest/ExpressJet: 60 frames (ish)

I know the numbers do not add up to the exact match of the recent fleet plan, this is more for conceptual purposes.
If this is correct, how long will it likely be for the ERJ140s to stay around and what would likely replace them?
Is there any firm information on the plan to replace Compass yet?
And has a last day for TransStates been announced?

Thanks...
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MLIAA
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:03 pm

brooklynchris13 wrote:
I have been trying get a grasp on what the ultimate regional plan is for AA moving forward.. is the following summary at least a moderately accurate assessment of where things will be within 12-18 months?
CRJ2- down to around 20 frames, all with PSA
ERJ140- around 50 frames, all with Envoy
ERJ145- around 118 frames, basically split 50/50 between Envoy and Piedmont
CR7- around 120 frames, basically split 50/50 between PSA and Skywest (with some sifting around between the Express Jet & Skywest sides)
CR9- around 130 frames, basically split 50/50 between PSA and Mesa
ERJ175- around 160 frames, basically split 50/50 between Republic and Envoy (if Compass flying is returned)

Based on this, total size:
Envoy: 198 frames (ish)
PSA: 160 frames (ish)
Republic: 85 frames (ish)
Piedmont: 60 frames (ish)
Skywest/ExpressJet: 60 frames (ish)

I know the numbers do not add up to the exact match of the recent fleet plan, this is more for conceptual purposes.
If this is correct, how long will it likely be for the ERJ140s to stay around and what would likely replace them?
Is there any firm information on the plan to replace Compass yet?
And has a last day for TransStates been announced?

Thanks...


As far as I can tell, all of that is correct, but in a very long term sense. Envoy will fly a handful (12 I believe) -700s through the end of 2019, and though nothing has been announced about Compass, it’s a safe bet.

AA has sunk a lot of money into the 140s, and they seem to perform well from LGA. I’ll bet they stay around for a while.

Both Trans States and Expressjet will stop AA ops by the end of the 2018.
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alasizon
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:30 am

MLIAA wrote:
brooklynchris13 wrote:
I have been trying get a grasp on what the ultimate regional plan is for AA moving forward.. is the following summary at least a moderately accurate assessment of where things will be within 12-18 months?
CRJ2- down to around 20 frames, all with PSA
ERJ140- around 50 frames, all with Envoy
ERJ145- around 118 frames, basically split 50/50 between Envoy and Piedmont
CR7- around 120 frames, basically split 50/50 between PSA and Skywest (with some sifting around between the Express Jet & Skywest sides)
CR9- around 130 frames, basically split 50/50 between PSA and Mesa
ERJ175- around 160 frames, basically split 50/50 between Republic and Envoy (if Compass flying is returned)

Based on this, total size:
Envoy: 198 frames (ish)
PSA: 160 frames (ish)
Republic: 85 frames (ish)
Piedmont: 60 frames (ish)
Skywest/ExpressJet: 60 frames (ish)

I know the numbers do not add up to the exact match of the recent fleet plan, this is more for conceptual purposes.
If this is correct, how long will it likely be for the ERJ140s to stay around and what would likely replace them?
Is there any firm information on the plan to replace Compass yet?
And has a last day for TransStates been announced?

Thanks...


As far as I can tell, all of that is correct, but in a very long term sense. Envoy will fly a handful (12 I believe) -700s through the end of 2019, and though nothing has been announced about Compass, it’s a safe bet.

AA has sunk a lot of money into the 140s, and they seem to perform well from LGA. I’ll bet they stay around for a while.

Both Trans States and Expressjet will stop AA ops by the end of the 2018.


The only thing I disagree with is the E140 long-term plan; I realistically only see 20-30 sticking around after next summer. They work great for LGA and a small handful of routes out of DFW but I don't think they need as many as have been withdrawn.
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flightsimer
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:35 am

brooklynchris13 wrote:
I have been trying get a grasp on what the ultimate regional plan is for AA moving forward.. is the following summary at least a moderately accurate assessment of where things will be within 12-18 months?
CRJ2- down to around 20 frames, all with PSA
ERJ140- around 50 frames, all with Envoy
ERJ145- around 118 frames, basically split 50/50 between Envoy and Piedmont
CR7- around 120 frames, basically split 50/50 between PSA and Skywest (with some sifting around between the Express Jet & Skywest sides)
CR9- around 130 frames, basically split 50/50 between PSA and Mesa
ERJ175- around 160 frames, basically split 50/50 between Republic and Envoy (if Compass flying is returned)

Based on this, total size:
Envoy: 198 frames (ish)
PSA: 160 frames (ish)
Republic: 85 frames (ish)
Piedmont: 60 frames (ish)
Skywest/ExpressJet: 60 frames (ish)

I know the numbers do not add up to the exact match of the recent fleet plan, this is more for conceptual purposes.
If this is correct, how long will it likely be for the ERJ140s to stay around and what would likely replace them?
Is there any firm information on the plan to replace Compass yet?
And has a last day for TransStates been announced?

Thanks...


Pure rumor at this point, but on another site, it was said that Republic may reallocate E170's in 65 seat configuration for American, according to a senior person in management during a recent Indoc meet and greet.
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alasizon
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:51 am

flightsimer wrote:
Pure rumor at this point, but on another site, it was said that Republic may reallocate E170's in 65 seat configuration for American, according to a senior person in management during a recent Indoc meet and greet.


Been rumored for a while that AA would go down the route of using the E170 as the 65 seat RJ across the board but this is the first I'm hearing YX would pick up some extra birds.
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flightsimer
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Sat Nov 03, 2018 3:03 am

alasizon wrote:
flightsimer wrote:
Pure rumor at this point, but on another site, it was said that Republic may reallocate E170's in 65 seat configuration for American, according to a senior person in management during a recent Indoc meet and greet.


Been rumored for a while that AA would go down the route of using the E170 as the 65 seat RJ across the board but this is the first I'm hearing YX would pick up some extra birds.

We are the only 170 operator in the US and there really aren't many sitting around. The aircraft would likely be sourced from our UA and/or DL pool of 170's, then new 175SC's from our 100 frame LOI would be used to replace the 170's for DL/UA. We currently have 63 E170's in the fleet between both UA and DL.
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bigb
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Sat Nov 03, 2018 3:40 pm

brooklynchris13 wrote:
I have been trying get a grasp on what the ultimate regional plan is for AA moving forward.. is the following summary at least a moderately accurate assessment of where things will be within 12-18 months?
CRJ2- down to around 20 frames, all with PSA
ERJ140- around 50 frames, all with Envoy
ERJ145- around 118 frames, basically split 50/50 between Envoy and Piedmont
CR7- around 120 frames, basically split 50/50 between PSA and Skywest (with some sifting around between the Express Jet & Skywest sides)
CR9- around 130 frames, basically split 50/50 between PSA and Mesa
ERJ175- around 160 frames, basically split 50/50 between Republic and Envoy (if Compass flying is returned)

Based on this, total size:
Envoy: 198 frames (ish)
PSA: 160 frames (ish)
Republic: 85 frames (ish)
Piedmont: 60 frames (ish)
Skywest/ExpressJet: 60 frames (ish)

I know the numbers do not add up to the exact match of the recent fleet plan, this is more for conceptual purposes.
If this is correct, how long will it likely be for the ERJ140s to stay around and what would likely replace them?
Is there any firm information on the plan to replace Compass yet?
And has a last day for TransStates been announced?

Thanks...


PSA is going to end up with 153 jets as a final number. Next year 14 new CRJ-900s will be coming online to replace 14 CRJ-200s next year. The CRJ-700s transfers from Envoy to PSA will temporary stop sometime next year.

PSA left over CRJ-200s will shift up to DCA to back fill TSA flying while Piedmont and Envoy will start back filling 50 seat flying out of CLT.

The 140s are great for airports with short runways where the 145s and the CRJ-200s would have trouble getting in and out of.

I know they are also configuring PSA CRJ-700s into 65 seats to free up room for more 76 seaters.
 
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Sat Nov 03, 2018 4:03 pm

bigb wrote:
brooklynchris13 wrote:
I have been trying get a grasp on what the ultimate regional plan is for AA moving forward.. is the following summary at least a moderately accurate assessment of where things will be within 12-18 months?
CRJ2- down to around 20 frames, all with PSA
ERJ140- around 50 frames, all with Envoy
ERJ145- around 118 frames, basically split 50/50 between Envoy and Piedmont
CR7- around 120 frames, basically split 50/50 between PSA and Skywest (with some sifting around between the Express Jet & Skywest sides)
CR9- around 130 frames, basically split 50/50 between PSA and Mesa
ERJ175- around 160 frames, basically split 50/50 between Republic and Envoy (if Compass flying is returned)

Based on this, total size:
Envoy: 198 frames (ish)
PSA: 160 frames (ish)
Republic: 85 frames (ish)
Piedmont: 60 frames (ish)
Skywest/ExpressJet: 60 frames (ish)

I know the numbers do not add up to the exact match of the recent fleet plan, this is more for conceptual purposes.
If this is correct, how long will it likely be for the ERJ140s to stay around and what would likely replace them?
Is there any firm information on the plan to replace Compass yet?
And has a last day for TransStates been announced?

Thanks...


PSA is going to end up with 153 jets as a final number. Next year 14 new CRJ-900s will be coming online to replace 14 CRJ-200s next year. The CRJ-700s transfers from Envoy to PSA will temporary stop sometime next year.

PSA left over CRJ-200s will shift up to DCA to back fill TSA flying while Piedmont and Envoy will start back filling 50 seat flying out of CLT.

The 140s are great for airports with short runways where the 145s and the CRJ-200s would have trouble getting in and out of.

I know they are also configuring PSA CRJ-700s into 65 seats to free up room for more 76 seaters.


Great info guys. Is AA creating more room for 76 seaters above what is already planned?
 
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:29 pm

bigb wrote:
I know they are also configuring PSA CRJ-700s into 65 seats to free up room for more 76 seaters.


I'm 90% sure that all of PSA's CR7s are already in the 65 seat config or at worst in the old MQ config of 63 seats. OO should be the only ones with a CR7 in the 6F/64Y config.
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mhkansan
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:45 pm

flightsimer wrote:
brooklynchris13 wrote:
I have been trying get a grasp on what the ultimate regional plan is for AA moving forward.. is the following summary at least a moderately accurate assessment of where things will be within 12-18 months?
CRJ2- down to around 20 frames, all with PSA
ERJ140- around 50 frames, all with Envoy
ERJ145- around 118 frames, basically split 50/50 between Envoy and Piedmont
CR7- around 120 frames, basically split 50/50 between PSA and Skywest (with some sifting around between the Express Jet & Skywest sides)
CR9- around 130 frames, basically split 50/50 between PSA and Mesa
ERJ175- around 160 frames, basically split 50/50 between Republic and Envoy (if Compass flying is returned)

Based on this, total size:
Envoy: 198 frames (ish)
PSA: 160 frames (ish)
Republic: 85 frames (ish)
Piedmont: 60 frames (ish)
Skywest/ExpressJet: 60 frames (ish)

I know the numbers do not add up to the exact match of the recent fleet plan, this is more for conceptual purposes.
If this is correct, how long will it likely be for the ERJ140s to stay around and what would likely replace them?
Is there any firm information on the plan to replace Compass yet?
And has a last day for TransStates been announced?

Thanks...


Pure rumor at this point, but on another site, it was said that Republic may reallocate E170's in 65 seat configuration for American, according to a senior person in management during a recent Indoc meet and greet.


SkyWest will also still be flying up to 18 CRJ-200s for AA. They just began DFW-CYS on the -200, and took over the EAS flying to MEI and PIB from ExpressJet earlier this year. They are always on ORD-MKE and ORD-ICT, for example.
 
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:04 pm

mhkansan wrote:

SkyWest will also still be flying up to 18 CRJ-200s for AA. They just began DFW-CYS on the -200, and took over the EAS flying to MEI and PIB from ExpressJet earlier this year. They are always on ORD-MKE and ORD-ICT, for example.


There are just a handful of Skywest/American Eagle routes left that use the CRJ 200, such as MEI, PIB, and SGU. They use aircraft in the blue Skywest color scheme; the aircraft that were American Eagle were repainted into United or Delta colors. PHX-SGU sometimes uses the same airplane day after day.
 
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:41 am

brooklynchris13 wrote:
I have been trying get a grasp on what the ultimate regional plan is for AA moving forward.. is the following summary at least a moderately accurate assessment of where things will be within 12-18 months?
CRJ2- down to around 20 frames, all with PSA
ERJ140- around 50 frames, all with Envoy
ERJ145- around 118 frames, basically split 50/50 between Envoy and Piedmont
CR7- around 120 frames, basically split 50/50 between PSA and Skywest (with some sifting around between the Express Jet & Skywest sides)
CR9- around 130 frames, basically split 50/50 between PSA and Mesa
ERJ175- around 160 frames, basically split 50/50 between Republic and Envoy (if Compass flying is returned)

Based on this, total size:
Envoy: 198 frames (ish)
PSA: 160 frames (ish)
Republic: 85 frames (ish)
Piedmont: 60 frames (ish)
Skywest/ExpressJet: 60 frames (ish)

I know the numbers do not add up to the exact match of the recent fleet plan, this is more for conceptual purposes.
If this is correct, how long will it likely be for the ERJ140s to stay around and what would likely replace them?
Is there any firm information on the plan to replace Compass yet?
And has a last day for TransStates been announced?

Thanks...


Envoy will have the following fleet size in 2019

Jan 172 50/13/109
Feb 173 52/12/109
Mar 176 55/12/109
Apr 178 57/12/109
May 181 60/12/109
Jun 183 62/12/109
Jul 184 62/12/109
Aug 183 63/11/109
Sep 183 64/10/109
Oct 183 66/8/109
Nov 186 68/8/109
Dec 175 69/7/109
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:33 pm

From an internal memo, Envoy announced AA is exercising options on 15 more ERJ-175s bringing up the year-end 2020 total to 84 aircraft.
 
jgcotter
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:01 am

Envoy has taken return possession of E145 N611AE from Trans States in MQT/SAW.
 
jgcotter
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:29 pm

E145 N612AE is en route from STL to MQT for transfer from TSA to Envoy.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N612AE
 
MLIAA
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:45 am

A Compass Airlines E175, N216NN, has been sitting at Marana for a few days. Anyone know why?
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alasizon
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:23 am

MLIAA wrote:
A Compass Airlines E175, N216NN, has been sitting at Marana for a few days. Anyone know why?


It was some sort of MX issue; flew there unpressurized at 10k.
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jgcotter
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:51 pm

E145 N644AE is in service now at Piedmont. 54 x E145 on property now at Piedmont.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N644AE
 
jgcotter
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:29 am

E145 N613AE ferried from STL to MQT today for transfer from TSA to Envoy.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N613AE
 
INFINITI329
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:53 am

Whats the purpose of Envoy transfering their E145s to Piedmont only to turnaround and take on Trans States' E145s?
 
nh114
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:42 am

Envoy is equipped to do the heavy checks once they come back from TS, then fly them. Piedmont doesn’t do heavy checks, they send them to Envoy when they’re due... so transfers to Piedmont basically just got out of an Envoy check, then induction at Piedmont.
 
Grandforks12
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:31 am

Would be nice to see Envoy start up a single daily turn from Fargo, ND to Phoenix, AZ to run Allegiant out of town. Sioux Falls, SD has it and seems to do well and here in Fargo it's been talked about for awhile but, would be nice to see Envoy jump on it with a daily CRJ702 or a E175 single daily afternoon turn.
 
alasizon
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:38 pm

Grandforks12 wrote:
Would be nice to see Envoy start up a single daily turn from Fargo, ND to Phoenix, AZ to run Allegiant out of town. Sioux Falls, SD has it and seems to do well and here in Fargo it's been talked about for awhile but, would be nice to see Envoy jump on it with a daily CRJ702 or a E175 single daily afternoon turn.


Wouldn't be Envoy if it was launched. MQ has no other presence in PHX. It would likely be a Mesa CR9 but I'm doubtful it can support a CR9. Maybe a CR7 but I think there are better uses for the OO CR7 other than Fargo (CID jumps to mind)
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Grandforks12
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:58 am

Allegiant runs daily A320 runs to Phoenix 3 months of the year and 4 or 5 times a week during the rest of the year besides many other traffic that goes there via MSP or DFW or DEN. I think Fargo could handle a CRJ900 daily or even 6x a week with no flight on either Saturday or Sunday. IMO
 
jgcotter
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Sun Nov 18, 2018 3:18 am

Envoy E140 N842AE is back in service with Envoy. 51 x E140 now in service at Envoy, although investor guidance still says 49.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N842AE
 
jgcotter
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Sat Dec 01, 2018 12:51 am

E175 N264NN is en route SJK-MAO-FLL-DFW for delivery to Envoy. 45 x E175 on property now at Envoy.
 
jgcotter
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Sat Dec 01, 2018 12:53 am

E175 N265NN is en route SJK-MAO-FLL-ABI for delivery to Envoy. 46 x E175 on property now at Envoy.
 
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:29 am

American Eagle could add PHX-CVG, PHX-DAY, PHX-FAR, PHX-SDF, PHX-BNA, PHX-MSY, and PHX-TUL nonstop service.

While the PHX-CVG and PHX-DAY nonstop routes are longer than any nonstop routes currently operated on American Eagle, there are a few nonstop domestic routes longer than PHX-CVG and PHX-DAY that are operated on regional jets, including SEA-DAL on AS, PDX-DAL on AS, and SFO-STL on UA.
 
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Sat Dec 01, 2018 3:06 am

jplatts wrote:
American Eagle could add PHX-CVG, PHX-DAY, PHX-FAR, PHX-SDF, PHX-BNA, PHX-MSY, and PHX-TUL nonstop service.

While the PHX-CVG and PHX-DAY nonstop routes are longer than any nonstop routes currently operated on American Eagle, there are a few nonstop domestic routes longer than PHX-CVG and PHX-DAY that are operated on regional jets, including SEA-DAL on AS, PDX-DAL on AS, and SFO-STL on UA.


I'd imagine PHX-CVG and PHX-MSY would be mainline (which AA doesn't seem to be interested in adding).

I'd imagine PHX-COS, PHX-FAR, and PHX-TUL would be logical adds.

BNA, CVG, MSY, and RDU make sense for AA but for some reason they don't seem to have any interest in any of those routes.
 
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:43 pm

CR7 N524AE ferried from MQT to DAY last night for transfer from Envoy to PSA. 46 x CR7 on property now at PSA.
https://fr24.com/data/flights/aa9800#1ec750ae
 
jgcotter
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:02 pm

E145 N657AE ferried from ABI to RIC today for transfer from Envoy to Piedmont. 55 x E145 on property now at Piedmont.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N657AE
 
MLIAA
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:10 pm

With N264NN & N265NN being delivered, Envoy has begun the process of nearly doubling its E175 fleet, from 44 to 84 aircraft. But where will this growth occur? At the expense of another regional carrier?

Also, won’t Envoy need more gates at ORD to be 175 capable? The stinger and the even L gates are pretty well used at this point.
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alasizon
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:12 pm

MLIAA wrote:
With N264NN & N265NN being delivered, Envoy has begun the process of nearly doubling its E175 fleet, from 44 to 84 aircraft. But where will this growth occur? At the expense of another regional carrier?

Also, won’t Envoy need more gates at ORD to be 175 capable? The stinger and the even L gates are pretty well used at this point.


Majority of the growth is in DFW more than ORD. Likewise, as E145s shift to Piedmont and 700s to PSA, some of that flying is backfilled by the 175s.
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jgcotter
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:21 pm

alasizon wrote:
MLIAA wrote:
With N264NN & N265NN being delivered, Envoy has begun the process of nearly doubling its E175 fleet, from 44 to 84 aircraft. But where will this growth occur? At the expense of another regional carrier?

Also, won’t Envoy need more gates at ORD to be 175 capable? The stinger and the even L gates are pretty well used at this point.


Majority of the growth is in DFW more than ORD. Likewise, as E145s shift to Piedmont and 700s to PSA, some of that flying is backfilled by the 175s.

Right now the split is 29 x E175 at DFW and 16 x E175 at ORD, with N264NN still in induc at ABI. They move around a lot, and DFW has room for more, but it seems like they might want to add more capacity at ORD at this point. DCA is seeing more E175 fly through traffic as well.
 
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:51 pm

jgcotter wrote:
Right now the split is 29 x E175 at DFW and 16 x E175 at ORD, with N264NN still in induc at ABI. They move around a lot, and DFW has room for more, but it seems like they might want to add more capacity at ORD at this point. DCA is seeing more E175 fly through traffic as well.


The main capacity growth for S19 is in DFW. ORD will see more overall as planes are going to have utilization up across the board and a lot of the old CR7 markets are going to E175s. I'd estimate it'll be closer to 38 @ DFW & 21 @ ORD for end of S19 (I count 62 E175s that should be delivered by that time based on the delivery schedule).
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:07 pm

MLIAA wrote:
A Compass Airlines E175, N216NN, has been sitting at Marana for a few days. Anyone know why?


Aircraft was hit by an Envoy Ground Service vehicle in LAX. Spent almost a month getting repaired in Marana. Just returned to service.
What is it? It's A 747-400, but that's not important right now.
 
mhkansan
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:52 pm

MLIAA wrote:
With N264NN & N265NN being delivered, Envoy has begun the process of nearly doubling its E175 fleet, from 44 to 84 aircraft. But where will this growth occur? At the expense of another regional carrier?

Also, won’t Envoy need more gates at ORD to be 175 capable? The stinger and the even L gates are pretty well used at this point.


ORD is also growing with more Skywest CRJ-700 frames, which can fit on the L-gates. The stinger really improved the 175 capacity, but I do wonder if more H/K gates will be converted to be 175-capable.
 
DesertAir
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:00 pm

It seems to me that AA Eagle should revive the PHX-SCK route. It was flown by American West Express and seemed to be a hit. The route should support 2 or 3 roundtrips a day to connect valley residents into the PHX hub.
 
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:23 pm

mhkansan wrote:
MLIAA wrote:
With N264NN & N265NN being delivered, Envoy has begun the process of nearly doubling its E175 fleet, from 44 to 84 aircraft. But where will this growth occur? At the expense of another regional carrier?

Also, won’t Envoy need more gates at ORD to be 175 capable? The stinger and the even L gates are pretty well used at this point.


ORD is also growing with more Skywest CRJ-700 frames, which can fit on the L-gates. The stinger really improved the 175 capacity, but I do wonder if more H/K gates will be converted to be 175-capable.


ORD isn't quite growing with OO 700 frames, just the DFW ones are being flowed through back and forth and being isolated to the two hubs. The planes will be flying more shorter legs and increased utilization.

DesertAir wrote:
It seems to me that AA Eagle should revive the PHX-SCK route. It was flown by American West Express and seemed to be a hit. The route should support 2 or 3 roundtrips a day to connect valley residents into the PHX hub.


Stockton isn't the place it used to be, 99% of the traffic seems content driving to SMF and a split operation likely wouldn't help the yield.
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jmc1975
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:20 pm

DesertAir wrote:
It seems to me that AA Eagle should revive the PHX-SCK route. It was flown by American West .

What's American West?
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DesertAir
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:19 am

jmc1975 wrote:
DesertAir wrote:
It seems to me that AA Eagle should revive the PHX-SCK route. It was flown by American West .

What's American West?


Typing Error. America West.
 
INFINITI329
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:46 am

When will Envoy open up another E175 base?
 
mhkansan
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:31 am

INFINITI329 wrote:
When will Envoy open up another E175 base?


I think that depends on what happens with the Compass contract. If the rumors are true, it'll be when those 20 aircraft move over to Envoy and the LAX base reopens. If Skywest, Mesa, or Republic get that flying, then the next Envoy 175 base would probably be in the northeast (LGA or DCA), but I think we'll see more DFW and ORD growth before that.
 
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:54 pm

INFINITI329 wrote:
When will Envoy open up another E175 base?


Currently, in 2019 there aren't any planned openings. If we get the Compass contract back, then we should hear something mid-year in order to start preparing (this is from our VP of Flight Ops). I honestly believe that AAG wants to put these planes with MQ because it will save them hundreds of thousands of dollars per year for each airplane that is flown by us. That being said, the Compass operation is stellar. They have a great on-time performance and a spectacular pilot group. With their hiring and attrition, losing the AA contract won't cripple them, but it would be an adjustment that would level out.
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INFINITI329
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:20 pm

airtran737 wrote:
INFINITI329 wrote:
When will Envoy open up another E175 base?


Currently, in 2019 there aren't any planned openings. If we get the Compass contract back, then we should hear something mid-year in order to start preparing (this is from our VP of Flight Ops). I honestly believe that AAG wants to put these planes with MQ because it will save them hundreds of thousands of dollars per year for each airplane that is flown by us. That being said, the Compass operation is stellar. They have a great on-time performance and a spectacular pilot group. With their hiring and attrition, losing the AA contract won't cripple them, but it would be an adjustment that would level out.


I always thought it would be a little more expensive for a wholly owned to fly vs outside carrier... Are you able to elaborate?
 
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:03 am

Just out of curiosity how many E140s are left in the old livery? Will they all be painted and by when?
 
airtran737
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:50 am

INFINITI329 wrote:
airtran737 wrote:
INFINITI329 wrote:
When will Envoy open up another E175 base?


Currently, in 2019 there aren't any planned openings. If we get the Compass contract back, then we should hear something mid-year in order to start preparing (this is from our VP of Flight Ops). I honestly believe that AAG wants to put these planes with MQ because it will save them hundreds of thousands of dollars per year for each airplane that is flown by us. That being said, the Compass operation is stellar. They have a great on-time performance and a spectacular pilot group. With their hiring and attrition, losing the AA contract won't cripple them, but it would be an adjustment that would level out.


I always thought it would be a little more expensive for a wholly owned to fly vs outside carrier... Are you able to elaborate?


At a company town hall meeting in May a couple days after announcing the end of the Trans States partnership Robert Isom stated that each aircraft that AAG brings back into a WO carrier saves them hundreds of thousands of dollars. There's not much more to elaborate on. Think about a fleet of 20 airplanes that Compass is operating. That's not a big fleet to plan MX checks around, spares, etc. Bringing them back to MQ would add to the other 84 in the fleet and make their use much more flexible. Additionally, you aren't paying a third party to fly the plane and have the revenue staying within the company.
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jgcotter
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:52 am

Miamiairport wrote:
Just out of curiosity how many E140s are left in the old livery? Will they all be painted and by when?

I’m showing all 51 x E140 currently in service have been painted. N814AE at ABI and the seven hail-damaged E140s still in SJT are still in legacy livery.
 
mhkansan
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Re: American Eagle's plan for the future.

Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:07 am

jgcotter wrote:
Miamiairport wrote:
Just out of curiosity how many E140s are left in the old livery? Will they all be painted and by when?

I’m showing all 51 x E140 currently in service have been painted. N814AE at ABI and the seven hail-damaged E140s still in SJT are still in legacy livery.

There are at least 5-6 unpainted. N841AE was just in MHK unpainted.
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