American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

vfw614 · Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:41 pm

Quick question re the E140:

What was the point of developing that subtype? As only a relatively small number was produced for just a single customer, wouldn't it have been more sensible to simply use the E145 airframe and leave out two rows CRJ440-style - and "invest" the saved development and certification costs in discounting E145 for said customer? Was the additional range of the E140 needed or did it significantly save operating costs compared to the E145 that also offset the - I assume - rather poor residal value of the E140?

MO11 · Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:51 pm

vfw614 wrote:
Quick question re the E140:

What was the point of developing that subtype? As only a relatively small number was produced for just a single customer, wouldn't it have been more sensible to simply use the E145 airframe and leave out two rows CRJ440-style - and "invest" the saved development and certification costs in discounting E145 for said customer? Was the additional range of the E140 needed or did it significantly save operating costs compared to the E145 that also offset the - I assume - rather poor residal value of the E140?

Eagle was contractually maxed out on 50-seaters. The ERJ 140 had 98% parts commonality with the ERJ 135. Eagle launched the type with a 130 airplane order, with a follow-on order for 9 more, but as things turned out, the last 80 were converted to ERJ-145s. Remember that there was a non-AA customer, Skyway, that ordered but never took delivery.

vfw614 · Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:14 pm

Sure, I am aware of this. But why did it make more sense for Embraer and AE to develop and pay for a new sub-type - instead of simply using 44 seat E145s, just like others did with the CRJ200/440. In contrast to the CRJ440, the E140 cannot be converted to a 50 seater and, as a result, is a rather exotic type with probably much less residual value than a E145 (well, at least 10 years or so ago).

jgcotter · Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:21 pm

15 remaining Air Whiskey CR2s in service with American Eagle at this time.

alasizon · Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:09 pm

vfw614 wrote:
Sure, I am aware of this. But why did it make more sense for Embraer and AE to develop and pay for a new sub-type - instead of simply using 44 seat E145s, just like others did with the CRJ200/440. In contrast to the CRJ440, the E140 cannot be converted to a 50 seater and, as a result, is a rather exotic type with probably much less residual value than a E145 (well, at least 10 years or so ago).

Realistically, with the E140s being reactivated, when they are retired again, there won't be much residual value left other than parts. The aircraft are already paid off and a fleet of almost 60 makes for pretty decent economies of scale.

DiamondFlyer · Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:18 pm

vfw614 wrote:
Sure, I am aware of this. But why did it make more sense for Embraer and AE to develop and pay for a new sub-type - instead of simply using 44 seat E145s, just like others did with the CRJ200/440. In contrast to the CRJ440, the E140 cannot be converted to a 50 seater and, as a result, is a rather exotic type with probably much less residual value than a E145 (well, at least 10 years or so ago).

AA may have felt they couldn't just paper limit the seating of the aircraft, without a fight from APA.

aaflyer222 · Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:42 pm

jgcotter wrote:
15 remaining Air Whiskey CR2s in service with American Eagle at this time.

when is the last zw flight for aa?

MO11 · Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:52 am

N383SW wrote:
On a side note, does anyone recall where those 140’s went that originally flew under Connection?

One went to JETGO, several went to SA Airlink, the remainder weren't placed.

cheapgreek · Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:58 am

vfw614 wrote:
Sure, I am aware of this. But why did it make more sense for Embraer and AE to develop and pay for a new sub-type - instead of simply using 44 seat E145s, just like others did with the CRJ200/440. In contrast to the CRJ440, the E140 cannot be converted to a 50 seater and, as a result, is a rather exotic type with probably much less residual value than a E145 (well, at least 10 years or so ago).

I believe the 140 is quite a bit better off short runways and only lose 6 seats.

jgcotter · Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:56 pm

aaflyer222 wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
15 remaining Air Whiskey CR2s in service with American Eagle at this time.

when is the last zw flight for aa?

Should be near the end of February, but I don’t have a date yet. I’ll update when I do. Currently showing 11 ZW CR2s out of PHL, 11 OO CR2s out of ORD and 21 MQ E140s out of DFW as interim lift for Eagle.

airtran737 · Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:05 pm

Envoy will have a much bigger presence in CLT starting in in February. CLT-CHO/ROA/MLB/FLO & MGM will all see MQ EMB-140's. This will be interesting to see how the PSA group reacts to the Envoy presence.

jgcotter · Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:43 am

jgcotter wrote:
aaflyer222 wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
15 remaining Air Whiskey CR2s in service with American Eagle at this time.

when is the last zw flight for aa?

Should be near the end of February, but I don’t have a date yet. I’ll update when I do. Currently showing 11 ZW CR2s out of PHL, 11 OO CR2s out of ORD and 21 MQ E140s out of DFW as interim lift for Eagle.

7 of the 21 MQ E140s are out of LGA.

jgcotter · Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:59 pm

7 of the 21 E140s currently in service with Envoy are out of LGA. The remainder are out of DFW. Not sure if any will go to MIA or ORD, but I’m hearing some will go to CLT. This would mean MQ will open a CLT base.

kcrwflyer · Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:08 pm

jgcotter wrote:
7 of the 21 E140s currently in service with Envoy are out of LGA. The remainder are out of DFW. Not sure if any will go to MIA or ORD, but I’m hearing some will go to CLT. This would mean MQ will open a CLT base.

Some of them are already showing up in CLT in the next few months. It looks like they're all being routed through cities that also have LGA service.. so if they rotate the planes in that way there's no real need to open any kind of base in CLT.

mcg · Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:34 pm

Is Envoy hiring new pilots to operate these aircraft? It would seem that the addition of 58 airplanes would require 500+ new pilots.

MO11 · Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:44 pm

jgcotter wrote:
7 of the 21 E140s currently in service with Envoy are out of LGA. The remainder are out of DFW. Not sure if any will go to MIA or ORD, but I’m hearing some will go to CLT. This would mean MQ will open a CLT base.

I show 17 in service, 6 others pulled from storage, one of which is scheduled to be ready today. Did I miss something?

alasizon · Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:56 pm

mcg wrote:
Is Envoy hiring new pilots to operate these aircraft? It would seem that the addition of 58 airplanes would require 500+ new pilots.

E145s are being transitioned to Piedmont and the CR7s have begun being transitioned to PSA again. The LGA base was always billed as temporary to most and put forward as basically a long term TDY.

SCOOBYD75 · Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:17 pm

I know starting May 1st they will be using them JFK-PHL 6 times a day.

FSDan · Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:34 pm

kcrwflyer wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
7 of the 21 E140s currently in service with Envoy are out of LGA. The remainder are out of DFW. Not sure if any will go to MIA or ORD, but I’m hearing some will go to CLT. This would mean MQ will open a CLT base.

Some of them are already showing up in CLT in the next few months. It looks like they're all being routed through cities that also have LGA service.. so if they rotate the planes in that way there's no real need to open any kind of base in CLT.

Taking a look at the April schedules (currently the farthest-out schedules that appear to be finalized), there are 11 ERD departures from CLT to SGF, LEX, GSO, FAY, HTS, ROA, and CHO. Aircraft are bridged between CLT and LGA via CHO, and possibly GSO (which has 2 RON aircraft from CLT and 1 from LGA). The CLT flying looks like it only requires 3 frames.

ahj2000 · Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:24 am

airtran737 wrote:
Envoy will have a much bigger presence in CLT starting in in February. CLT-CHO/ROA/MLB/FLO & MGM will all see MQ EMB-140's. This will be interesting to see how the PSA group reacts to the Envoy presence.

IF I Am correct, these stations were all Piedmont, at least from Charlotte. Not sure PSA really has to do with them. The 140 is much closer to the Dash 8s.

airtran737 · Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:34 am

ahj2000 wrote:
airtran737 wrote:
Envoy will have a much bigger presence in CLT starting in in February. CLT-CHO/ROA/MLB/FLO & MGM will all see MQ EMB-140's. This will be interesting to see how the PSA group reacts to the Envoy presence.

IF I Am correct, these stations were all Piedmont, at least from Charlotte. Not sure PSA really has to do with them. The 140 is much closer to the Dash 8s.

I’m referencing the overall enhanced Envoy
Presence in CLT. MQ already does CHO and ROA from LGA, but it’s the intermingled ops with PSA that will be interesting to see. There is not a bit of love from the Envoy group for the PSA group.

aaflyer222 · Thu Jan 25, 2018 9:31 pm

e145 n692ae went from mqt to ric yesterday. Is this transfer to piedmont?

alasizon · Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:34 pm

aaflyer222 wrote:
e145 n692ae went from mqt to ric yesterday. Is this transfer to piedmont?

Indoc has been occurring at SBY recently but its certainly possible they moved some of the Indoc work to RIC as the flow of E145s picks up.

jgcotter · Sat Jan 27, 2018 7:04 pm

CR7 N526EA is en route from SAW to DAY for transfer from Envoy to PSA. 36 CR7 on property now at PSA.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N526EA

jgcotter · Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:23 pm

E145 N638AE is en route from SAW to RIC for transfer from Envoy to Piedmont. 38 E145s on property now at Piedmont.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N638AE

N415XJ · Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:32 pm

jgcotter wrote:
E145 N638AE is en route from SAW to RIC for transfer from Envoy to Piedmont. 38 E145s on property now at Piedmont.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N638AE

Just a minor correction- the 3 letter code for Sawyer Airport, Michigan (KSAW) is MQT. SAW is the code for Sabiha Gokcen airport in Istanbul. I've actually fallen victim to this mistake before when flightaware showed an Easyjet A320 on its way to KSAW (It was actually going to Istanbul...) and I rushed out to the airport to see it!

jgcotter · Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:47 pm

N415XJ wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
E145 N638AE is en route from SAW to RIC for transfer from Envoy to Piedmont. 38 E145s on property now at Piedmont.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N638AE

Just a minor correction- the 3 letter code for Sawyer Airport, Michigan (KSAW) is MQT. SAW is the code for Sabiha Gokcen airport in Istanbul. I've actually fallen victim to this mistake before when flightaware showed an Easyjet A320 on its way to KSAW (It was actually going to Istanbul...) and I rushed out to the airport to see it!

Thank you!

aaflyer222 · Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:49 am

zw cr2 n410aw is in OKC for transfer to uax. This was the last aircraft in any us airways livery. 10 zw cr2 remain at aa.

jgcotter · Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:18 pm

Piedmont DH8A N809EX is en route from SBY to GTF via IRS and ABR for delivery to Avmax.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N809EX

evank516 · Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:14 pm

ADrum23 wrote:
stl07 wrote:
ADrum23 wrote:
Hopefully, the future will be less Eagle flights and more mainline AA service between major airports (on 737's like Southwest). Not to say there is not a market for Eagle service, but I think it's ridiculous that a lot of service between major airports still uses the (delay-prone) Eagle flights (that goes for Delta Connection and United Express as well).

Or they could mix it up. Instead of having the current 5x STL - LGA on AA they could do one on mainline and still have 4 flights so frequency is not much lowered, getting both frequency and a mainline option.

Kind of like what AA is doing with BNA-MIA. Upgrading the morning flight to mainline while keeping the later ones Eagle.

Yes, this has been in place for a while now.

capitalflyer · Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:43 pm

It would appear all AWI flying is done at DCA. PSA has replaced them.

SgtBarone · Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:44 pm

E140 N852AE landed at ROW over a week ago after briefly re-entering service. Is this the end for it?

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N852AE

aaflyer222 · Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:56 pm

what is the last scheduled zw flight for aa today?

MO11 · Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:11 pm

SgtBarone wrote:
E140 N852AE landed at ROW over a week ago after briefly re-entering service. Is this the end for it?

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N852AE

Paint.

448205 · Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:24 pm

So MQ is down to 68 E145's and 21 E140's?

jgcotter · Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:18 am

Varsity1 wrote:
So MQ is down to 68 E145's and 21 E140's?

I’m showing 68 x 145 in service including 3 at ABI and 1 at BNA for mnx. I’m showing 22 x 140 in service with 4 more at ABI and 2 at YQB for refurb.

DiamondFlyer · Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:20 am

Varsity1 wrote:
So MQ is down to 68 E145's and 21 E140's?

Plus however many CR7 are left and the 175 fleet they have, if that's what your asking.

MO11 · Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:31 am

jgcotter wrote:
Varsity1 wrote:
So MQ is down to 68 E145's and 21 E140's?

I’m showing 68 x 145 in service including 3 at ABI and 1 at BNA for mnx. I’m showing 22 x 140 in service with 4 more at ABI and 2 at YQB for refurb.

I show 65 E145s, several sources.

jgcotter · Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:28 pm

Looks like all remaining ZW CR2s ferried to FTW last night and this morning for United Express livery.

CIDFlyer · Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:29 am

are the ERJ-175's ramping up big time in ORD? a friend in Sioux City said they are supposedly coming on the ORD & DFW routes, which seems like a big jump from the current E145's. I would just love to see them on CID-ORD. Currently its been all ERJ145's and CRJ's recently, with some random CRJ-700 flights on weekends

alasizon · Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:55 am

CIDFlyer wrote:
are the ERJ-175's ramping up big time in ORD? a friend in Sioux City said they are supposedly coming on the ORD & DFW routes, which seems like a big jump from the current E145's. I would just love to see them on CID-ORD. Currently its been all ERJ145's and CRJ's recently, with some random CRJ-700 flights on weekends

SUX gets a CR7 for the early AM departure to ORD in April, but after that its back to the ER4. SUX is likely pretty low on the E75 totem pole, it can barely support the 50 seater to DFW.

CIDFlyer · Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:19 am

alasizon wrote:
CIDFlyer wrote:
are the ERJ-175's ramping up big time in ORD? a friend in Sioux City said they are supposedly coming on the ORD & DFW routes, which seems like a big jump from the current E145's. I would just love to see them on CID-ORD. Currently its been all ERJ145's and CRJ's recently, with some random CRJ-700 flights on weekends

SUX gets a CR7 for the early AM departure to ORD in April, but after that its back to the ER4. SUX is likely pretty low on the E75 totem pole, it can barely support the 50 seater to DFW.

thanks I was kinda thinking that seemed a bit far fetched

jgcotter · Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:52 am

Piedmont DH8A N837EX, in the the Piedmont retro livery, is scheduled to ferry today from SBY to GTF via IRS and ABR for delivery to Avmax. It’s scheduled to ferry as flight number N837HA in homage to Henson Airlines.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N837HA

OKCDCA · Thu Feb 22, 2018 2:35 pm

CIDFlyer wrote:
alasizon wrote:
CIDFlyer wrote:
are the ERJ-175's ramping up big time in ORD? a friend in Sioux City said they are supposedly coming on the ORD & DFW routes, which seems like a big jump from the current E145's. I would just love to see them on CID-ORD. Currently its been all ERJ145's and CRJ's recently, with some random CRJ-700 flights on weekends

SUX gets a CR7 for the early AM departure to ORD in April, but after that its back to the ER4. SUX is likely pretty low on the E75 totem pole, it can barely support the 50 seater to DFW.

thanks I was kinda thinking that seemed a bit far fetched

Is there a list of city's which will be getting 175's out of ORD or is it just more wait and see? How many 175's do they plan on running through ORD?

jgcotter · Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:26 pm

jgcotter wrote:
Piedmont DH8A N837EX, in the the Piedmont retro livery, is scheduled to ferry today from SBY to GTF via IRS and ABR for delivery to Avmax. It’s scheduled to ferry as flight number N837HA in homage to Henson Airlines.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N837HA

Piedmont DH8A N837EX, in the Piedmont retro livery, has re-filed as flight number N837EX and just launched as N837EX from SBY to GTF via IRS and ABR for delivery to Avmax.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N837EX

alasizon · Thu Feb 22, 2018 6:13 pm

OKCDCA wrote:
Is there a list of city's which will be getting 175's out of ORD or is it just more wait and see? How many 175's do they plan on running through ORD?

Its going to fluctuate quite a bit, with the ZW exit, and the PT 145 ramp-up, there are a lot of moving parts in the American Eagle system.

For the month of April, I show the following stations receiving the 175 out of ORD:
XNA
JAX
IAH
OMA
SYR
CVG
BOI
EWR
LIT
CMH
SAT
GRR
CLE
MSP
YYZ
PIT
DSM
TUL
MEM
IND

aaflyer222 · Thu Feb 22, 2018 7:03 pm

jgcotter wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
Piedmont DH8A N837EX, in the the Piedmont retro livery, is scheduled to ferry today from SBY to GTF via IRS and ABR for delivery to Avmax. It’s scheduled to ferry as flight number N837HA in homage to Henson Airlines.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N837HA

Piedmont DH8A N837EX, in the Piedmont retro livery, has re-filed as flight number N837EX and just launched as N837EX from SBY to GTF via IRS and ABR for delivery to Avmax.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N837EX

n839ex is flying to GTF via IRS and ABR as well. all dh1 have now exited piedmont.

jgcotter · Fri Feb 23, 2018 5:18 pm

E145 N690AE is en route from MQT to RIC for transfer from Envoy to Piedmont. 39 E145s on property now at Piedmont.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N690AE

jgcotter · Sat Feb 24, 2018 4:51 pm

CR7 N525EA is en route from MQT to DAY for transfer from Envoy to PSA. 37 CR7s on property now at PSA.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N525EA

jgcotter · Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:01 am

E145 N643AE is en route from MQT to RIC for transfer from Envoy to Piedmont. 40 E145s on property now at Piedmont.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N643AE

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