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F9Animal wrote:

Anyone know how Spirit is doing in Seattle? I noticed they went down to two flights a day to Vegas. I also heard flights from SEA to LAX were getting axed? I sure hope they can maintain service in Seattle.

I wouldn’t be worried, they upgagued DTW to an A320 this year from the A319 last year so it shows it works.

Midwestindy wrote:

FLYKTPA wrote:

SANFan wrote:

Since no one seems to be able to access the Tweets posted today, do we know a time frame? Was the tweet announcing an upcoming announcement by Spirit? Tomorrow? Next week? Before the end of the year? I assume the start dates will be in 2018...

bb

The tweets reference what was said during Spirit’s earnings call. Their wasn’t any mention of a time line for the additions.

Yes there was, they would be announced this year and start in 2018.

Again I have heard rumors of IND, STL, and BNA in the works but no mentions of either AUS, RDU, SAT, e.t.c

If IND and STL get NK it’s almost a 150% chance they’ll get MCO, can IND and STL handle this many seats to MCO? I’ve already came to the conclusion as long as WN is on BNA-MCO, that won’t happen for a while. I feel like IND and STL are better off with FLL as far as Florida goes.

flymco753 wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

FLYKTPA wrote:

The tweets reference what was said during Spirit’s earnings call. Their wasn’t any mention of a time line for the additions.

Yes there was, they would be announced this year and start in 2018.

Again I have heard rumors of IND, STL, and BNA in the works but no mentions of either AUS, RDU, SAT, e.t.c

If IND and STL get NK it’s almost a 150% chance they’ll get MCO, can IND and STL handle this many seats to MCO? I’ve already came to the conclusion as long as WN is on BNA-MCO, that won’t happen for a while. I feel like IND and STL are better off with FLL as far as Florida goes.

From an STL perspective I wouldn't start MCO if I were them but they know what they are doing better than me. Frontier does is about 1.5 times daily and Allegiant runs to Orlando 4 or 5x a week I think, during peak. DL runs its once a week in summer. Plus WN 4 or 5x daily. I would try to find routes with no or low ULCC competition. FLL, LAX, I guess DTW is a big Spirit spot also. They wouldn't run BOS-STL but that route they could undercut WN by a bunch and no one else is on it right now. I guess it also depends on if they fly out of STL or BLV. I wouldn't think they would use BLV but it would be cheaper I am sure.

I really still am not all that keen on them coming to STL but I figure it is going to happen eventually, so I will try to be optimistic about it.

Jshank83 wrote:

I really still am not all that keen on them coming to STL but I figure it is going to happen eventually, so I will try to be optimistic about it.

Really?! Why is that, because they’re would use one or two of those unused 60 or so gates on concourses B, C, or D leaving only 58 or so unused gates for another airline? Will their yellow planes murk up the skies above St. Louis a few times a day.

What a dumb thing to say. I cannot see any reason that an airline that you have no intention of flying maybe coming to your vastly underused airport could possibly affect your life in any way besides likely forcing the fares on your airline of choice down. And btw, Frontier already brought the “spirit effect” to STL a few years ago.

Beechtobus wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

I really still am not all that keen on them coming to STL but I figure it is going to happen eventually, so I will try to be optimistic about it.

Really?! Why is that, because they’re would use one or two of those unused 60 or so gates on concourses B, C, or D leaving only 58 or so unused gates for another airline? Will their yellow planes murk up the skies above St. Louis a few times a day.

What a dumb thing to say. I cannot see any reason that an airline that you have no intention of flying maybe coming to your vastly underused airport could possibly affect your life in any way besides likely forcing the fares on your airline of choice down. And btw, Frontier already brought the “spirit effect” to STL a few years ago.

So now we are attacking other commenters for an opinion. That seems like the best way to have a conversation. You could have politely asked why I felt that way.

I am more than happy with Frontier being in STL. If they were on a route I flew regularly, I would be more than happy to fly them. I have hoped for awhile they would expand in STL. I also am happy BLV has Allegiant. That is working out well there and they needed someone to fly into there. I am probably going to fly Allegiant on an upcoming trip. I have nothing against ULCC.

My issue is more that I don't want other airlines to end routes because Spirit comes in and starts them. That may not happen and if all it leads to is lower fares then I will be more than happy to have Spirit here. Spirit has kind of a bad rep so yes, I doubt I would fly them, but moreover I don't want it leading to an end for routes flown by Frontier, Allegiant, or someone else. If they can come in and stimulate growth and everyone gets along great, then I will be happy. They are just the lowest on the ladder for me, at the moment, so I don't want Spirit to come in at the cost of someone else.

Just comparing STL to MCI. MCI has Spirit flying to MCO and LAS, not Frontier. I would rather STL keep Frontier on those routes. If Spirit were to come in and start those I have a feeling only one survives. So yes, I would rather have Spirit not come at all then risk them winning out and taking over those routes.

If you think that is silly, I respect that, but that is my thinking and I don't appreciate being called dumb for thinking it. I wouldn't call you or anyone else on here dumb for a thought they have. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and if I disagree, I will try to get their point of view instead of name calling.

And there are only 23 unused gates if we are counting (assuming B will stay an event space) not 60, so as you can tell we are almost out of space.. lol.

SEA to LAX is not on the chopping block, I am not sure where some of you heard that rumor from.
Out of SEA the seasonal BWI flight has been pretty well accepted. Let's remember that NK still is a newer entrant to SEA. It takes time for a customer base to grow in a city.

On another note, yes, NK has a bad rep. But what most people don't know is that NK has invested millions into re-training is employees across the system in a better customer service experience. The changes may not be made overnight, but the company is working hard to change its image to the flying public, much like Ryan Air tried to do some years back, until they had their own pilot meltdown. I just wanted to throw some information out there for some of you who didn't know. I am not pointing fingers at any one here for a difference of opinion.

But back to the topic at hand. NK has been getting planes, but has been more quiet as of late when it comes to route announcements. A lot of the newest cities have been old Airtran cities. So if I go by the Bob Fannaro way of thinking of new cities, then it would be some of the old bread and butter cities for Airtran like MKE, RDU, IND, and throw in an AUS and BNA too .

One thing that was said some months ago was the planned expansion into Central and South America for NK. It was an article in Airways Magazine. It's not out of the realm of possibility to see some new International flying from NK.

-Regards

raddek wrote:

One thing that was said some months ago was the planned expansion into Central and South America for NK. It was an article in Airways Magazine. It's not out of the realm of possibility to see some new International flying from NK.

-Regards

Likely UIO...

raddek wrote:

SEA to LAX is not on the chopping block, I am not sure where some of you heard that rumor from.
Out of SEA the seasonal BWI flight has been pretty well accepted. Let's remember that NK still is a newer entrant to SEA. It takes time for a customer base to grow in a city.

On another note, yes, NK has a bad rep. But what most people don't know is that NK has invested millions into re-training is employees across the system in a better customer service experience. The changes may not be made overnight, but the company is working hard to change its image to the flying public, much like Ryan Air tried to do some years back, until they had their own pilot meltdown. I just wanted to throw some information out there for some of you who didn't know. I am not pointing fingers at any one here for a difference of opinion.

But back to the topic at hand. NK has been getting planes, but has been more quiet as of late when it comes to route announcements. A lot of the newest cities have been old Airtran cities. So if I go by the Bob Fannaro way of thinking of new cities, then it would be some of the old bread and butter cities for Airtran like MKE, RDU, IND, and throw in an AUS and BNA too .

One thing that was said some months ago was the planned expansion into Central and South America for NK. It was an article in Airways Magazine. It's not out of the realm of possibility to see some new International flying from NK.

-Regards

It's interesting that you say that.
https://www.google.com/flights/#search; ... o;a=NK;s=0
Yet it looks like they are stopping service on Nov 9.

https://www.google.com/flights/#search; ... o;a=NK;s=0
and stopping service to PDX on Nov 6.

n7371f wrote:

flymco753 wrote:

MesaFlyGuy wrote:

I wouldn't get your hopes up on frequencies that high. I see maximum one daily flight for DTW and/or BWI if they're started. Very few NK routes have three flights (the only ones I can think of off the top of my head are FLL-LGA/EWR/BWI and the upcoming third flight on LAS-SAN). Unless it's a trunk route like those, don't expect more than one flight to start, with a possible second being added if the first one does well.

DTW-LAS and MCO is 3x daily each. MCO-DTW is 4x in the winter.

F9 thinks multiple dailies, let alone a daly flight, is absurd.

F9 does 2-3x daily on MCO-PHL and another 2-3x daily for TTN. Out of PHL and TTN, MCO is the most stable route (for F9) even as Spirit has started MCO-PHL, Southwest competes and AA will offer $25 Basic Economy fares (albeit sporadically and generally on short notice).

I like the idea of Spirit adding DFW-BUF. It's a route AA doesn't fly for some reason. With Spirit's large presence on the DFW side and popularity with leisure passengers out of there, it can probably do well. Spirit services IAG but it might be able to make an exception for both IAG and BUF, like the exception of LBE and PIT. It could probably add some Florida flights on to BUF as well.

I know that SEA to LAX is down to one flight daily, and the 2nd flight is 5x weekly. I'm not sure where you have the information that SEA to LAX got pulled on Nov 9

raddek wrote:

I know that SEA to LAX is down to one flight daily, and the 2nd flight is 5x weekly. I'm not sure where you have the information that SEA to LAX got pulled on Nov 9

Try booking LA to Seattle or Portland non-stop over this Thanksgiving. Gone. No more.

Just curious......is the BDL-MYR service seasonal or year round? It originally started as a 4 day a week flight asa seasonal route. It then quickly went daily. Now I’m hearing that it’s now a year round service. Can anybody confirm?

raddek wrote:

I'm not sure where you have the information that SEA to LAX got pulled on Nov 9

I believe the cutting of SEA/PDX-LAX was reported in Enilria's OAG thread a few weeks ago. Not sure of which month he reported the routes were to be axed... But I do think both routes are history.

IMO NK has never been real successful at PDX, and I don't think SEA is exactly setting records either. It is a very congested airport with a continuing battle between DL and AS, and Spirit was very late to the party there. I don't expect NK to completely close their ops at SEA/TAC but it will never be a major station for them either.

bb

Internationally, I think TGU and LIR would be good adds from FLL.

raddek wrote:

I know that SEA to LAX is down to one flight daily, and the 2nd flight is 5x weekly. I'm not sure where you have the information that SEA to LAX got pulled on Nov 9

It got axed several weeks ago when they cut 5 daily flights from LAX. And these flights can't even be booked now. Just check the google flights links I posted. Why don't you trust the OTAs?

CairnterriAIR wrote:

Just curious......is the BDL-MYR service seasonal or year round? It originally started as a 4 day a week flight asa seasonal route. It then quickly went daily. Now I’m hearing that it’s now a year round service. Can anybody confirm?

It is daily now until November 6th, then takes a break until March 9th where it goes 4x weekly until April 11th when it goes back to daily through June 17th. How far out does Spirit list their schedules?

Maybe have a presence in the DC area outside of BWI?

My pick are SAT/AUS and RDU for domestic and Quito or a seasonal Guayaquil for innternational. Ecuador has a lot of potential for Spirit

If anyone has listened to the Q3 earnings call, you'll hear about the general improvements the airline is making, particularly the mobile friendly website and new app.

uconn99 wrote:

CairnterriAIR wrote:

Just curious......is the BDL-MYR service seasonal or year round? It originally started as a 4 day a week flight asa seasonal route. It then quickly went daily. Now I’m hearing that it’s now a year round service. Can anybody confirm?

It is daily now until November 6th, then takes a break until March 9th where it goes 4x weekly until April 11th when it goes back to daily through June 17th. How far out does Spirit list their schedules?

Close. As of late September, it went down to 5x a week (no operation Tues/Wed) and operates through November 6th.

As of right now the schedules are only loaded through June, which is why it only shows it operating through June 17th. In reality, it will operate similarly to this season, running daily through September and 5x weekly until November. This is the basic method of operations for Spirit's seasonal markets (MYR-PHL/LBE/CLE/BWI all do the same thing). However, as somebody who has worked the MYR-BDL flights extensively, the flights are doing very well (LF-wise) and, out of all their MYR seasonal routes, I would be willing to bet that BDL is the strongest candidate for year-round service behind DTW and ORD.

Are there any insights as to how close "if any" SAT is to landing Spirit?

MesaFlyGuy wrote:

uconn99 wrote:

CairnterriAIR wrote:

Just curious......is the BDL-MYR service seasonal or year round? It originally started as a 4 day a week flight asa seasonal route. It then quickly went daily. Now I’m hearing that it’s now a year round service. Can anybody confirm?

It is daily now until November 6th, then takes a break until March 9th where it goes 4x weekly until April 11th when it goes back to daily through June 17th. How far out does Spirit list their schedules?

Close. As of late September, it went down to 5x a week (no operation Tues/Wed) and operates through November 6th.

As of right now the schedules are only loaded through June, which is why it only shows it operating through June 17th. In reality, it will operate similarly to this season, running daily through September and 5x weekly until November. This is the basic method of operations for Spirit's seasonal markets (MYR-PHL/LBE/CLE/BWI all do the same thing). However, as somebody who has worked the MYR-BDL flights extensively, the flights are doing very well (LF-wise) and, out of all their MYR seasonal routes, I would be willing to bet that BDL is the strongest candidate for year-round service behind DTW and ORD.

Thanks for the clarification, I was going off their website and must have missed the 5th weekly. I am a bit surprised how well this flight is doing. I know there is a good amount of people in CT with Myrtle Beach ties (vacation and lots of expats) and Charleston is only a couple hours away but is there also a business tie connecting Connecticut and that area of S. Carolina?

In particular, Fornaro has indicated that Chicago, Atlanta, and Houston in particular are experiencing high fare pressure because essentially every route from these airports has plenty of competition, the legacies are there and there's no way to get around that, and F9 doesn't seem to really strive to beat out Spirit, so do y'all think that WN and B6 are the competitors that are either fueling the pressure for Spirit? From what I can see, routes that Spirit doesn't dominate, but WN or B6 does, Spirit seems to take a lower end in revenue. If Spirit dominates against a carrier like WN or B6, I'll pick on FLL-DTW, Spirit seems to have the upper hand in both LF and revenue. I wonder if maybe WN or B6 could hinder on NK wanting to expand in markets where WN is fairly powerful?

Quick question since I’m not familiar with spirit. Do they offer connecting flights and overnight crews or do they follow the Allegiant model and do a bunch of one way only type flights? Never flown on them so I’m curious!

Northwest1988 wrote:

Quick question since I’m not familiar with spirit. Do they offer connecting flights and overnight crews or do they follow the Allegiant model and do a bunch of one way only type flights? Never flown on them so I’m curious!

Spirit does both connections (and not only at "hubs") and crew overnights.

Spirit is a big player on the DTW to FLL route, but the biggest route they are owning is on the DTW to MCO route. NK packs 321's on the route. With multiple 321's daily in high season.

raddek wrote:

Spirit is a big player on the DTW to FLL route, but the biggest route they are owning is on the DTW to MCO route. NK packs 321's on the route. With multiple 321's daily in high season.

This winter they'll be up to 4x daily on MCO-DTW which is the most frequencies on any city pair. I've noticed a ton of Spirit loyalty in the Detroit area, everyone likes to pay with their Spirit Mastercard at grocery stores, ball games, airport concessions, you name it.

raddek wrote:

Spirit is a big player on the DTW to FLL route, but the biggest route they are owning is on the DTW to MCO route. NK packs 321's on the route. With multiple 321's daily in high season.

In terms of capacity, this is the equivalent of DL or AA sending multiple daily 767s on the route. That’s amazing.

There was a rumored 5th daily on the route, but it may not happen till spring time. It seems like NK is all in on MCO

https://www.bizjournals.com/southflorid ... m-fll.html

Spirit Airlines Inc. has been waiting for years to add more international flights at Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport (FLL), CEO Bob Fornaro said on a recent earnings call. Now, the Miramar-based discount airline will get its chance.

"You'll see that coming in the later part of the year," Fornaro said after the company (Nasdaq: SAVE) released its third quarter earnings Oct. 26.

Spirit hasn't made any announcements on what those international destinations may be. But Fornaro said the company is scoping out opportunities in large and midsize cities with a healthy share of tourists.

Part of the reason is that the company's operating costs are much less than those of large carriers, so it can undercut fares for price-conscious vacationers.

"We're competing against giants," Fornaro said. "Large carriers can't price the markets for the typical leisure customer; that's why the opportunity is in large markets, rather than small markets."

With more international flights out of FLL, Spirit would be adding pathways in its largest market, where it already has 28 percent of its total capacity and most of its existing international flight capacity. The carrier has no flights out of Miami International Airport, Florida's top airport for international flights.

UIO?

The solid rumor mill is with all the planes NK is getting over the next few months, you will have to fly them somewhere. 4 new domestic cities and 4 international cities to be announced within the coming months. This is all speculation for all of us, but that's what makes a.net fun!

raddek wrote:

The solid rumor mill is with all the planes NK is getting over the next few months, you will have to fly them somewhere. 4 new domestic cities and 4 international cities to be announced within the coming months. This is all speculation for all of us, but that's what makes a.net fun!

If it’s 4 new cities I can put my bets on AUS, RDU, IND and STL.

Well definetly it has to be UIO and CLO, can't think of another route... its not MEX for sure, they wasted the oportunity when WN freed their slot...

raddek wrote:

The solid rumor mill is with all the planes NK is getting over the next few months, you will have to fly them somewhere. 4 new domestic cities and 4 international cities to be announced within the coming months. This is all speculation for all of us, but that's what makes a.net fun!

I thought it was 2 domestic and 1 international. Where did 4 and 4 come from?

SANFan wrote:

raddek wrote:

I'm not sure where you have the information that SEA to LAX got pulled on Nov 9

I believe the cutting of SEA/PDX-LAX was reported in Enilria's OAG thread a few weeks ago. Not sure of which month he reported the routes were to be axed... But I do think both routes are history.

IMO NK has never been real successful at PDX, and I don't think SEA is exactly setting records either. It is a very congested airport with a continuing battle between DL and AS, and Spirit was very late to the party there. I don't expect NK to completely close their ops at SEA/TAC but it will never be a major station for them either.

bb

Yeah, NK cut several routes from PDX including SAN, DFW, and now apparently LAX too... It seems like NK is pulling out of PDX in favor of SEA...

FA9295 wrote:

SANFan wrote:

raddek wrote:

I'm not sure where you have the information that SEA to LAX got pulled on Nov 9

I believe the cutting of SEA/PDX-LAX was reported in Enilria's OAG thread a few weeks ago. Not sure of which month he reported the routes were to be axed... But I do think both routes are history.

IMO NK has never been real successful at PDX, and I don't think SEA is exactly setting records either. It is a very congested airport with a continuing battle between DL and AS, and Spirit was very late to the party there. I don't expect NK to completely close their ops at SEA/TAC but it will never be a major station for them either.

bb

Yeah, NK cut several routes from PDX including SAN, DFW, and now apparently LAX too... It seems like NK is pulling out of PDX in favor of SEA...

NK isn't really major on the west coast anyhow, compared to the likes of the Midwest, each airline has their niche, WN wants to be the airline for CA, AS wants to be a west coast airline including the PNW, B6 likes the east coast to Florida, Spirit likes the Midwest, so all in all NK won't be big on the west coast like they would in the Midwest (DTW and ORD being the major bases)

Sounds like Ecuador is the intentional route.

flymco753 wrote:

NK isn't really major on the west coast anyhow, compared to the likes of the Midwest, each airline has their niche, WN wants to be the airline for CA, AS wants to be a west coast airline including the PNW, B6 likes the east coast to Florida, Spirit likes the Midwest, so all in all NK won't be big on the west coast like they would in the Midwest (DTW and ORD being the major bases)

Not sure how you can say NK likes the midwest. (depending on how you label the midwest)

No STL, IND, BNA, MEM, CVG, CMH, LIT, OMA, OKC, ICT, DSM, and others.

All they have is MCI, MSP, ORD, DTW, CLE.

Jshank83 wrote:

Sounds like Ecuador is the intentional route.

flymco753 wrote:

NK isn't really major on the west coast anyhow, compared to the likes of the Midwest, each airline has their niche, WN wants to be the airline for CA, AS wants to be a west coast airline including the PNW, B6 likes the east coast to Florida, Spirit likes the Midwest, so all in all NK won't be big on the west coast like they would in the Midwest (DTW and ORD being the major bases)

Not sure how you can say NK likes the midwest. (depending on how you label the midwest)

No STL, IND, BNA, MEM, CVG, CMH, LIT, OMA, OKC, ICT, DSM, and others.

All they have is MCI, MSP, ORD, DTW, CLE.

I'm from Florida so the Midwest as I know it begins as far east as Pittsburgh, south as Cincinnati, west and North as Minneapolis, I'd consider Kansas City the far west Midwest. In terms of frequency, DTW and ORD hold a pretty heavy amount with decent ops at CLE, PIT, and MSP, far more activity than most parts of the US other than the Southeast, which is where most of these flights are going.

I believe NK is going to expand their Midwest profile by adding IND and STL next, AUS is Southwest, RDU is southeast, BNA I guess could be considered Midwest since technically it's in the middle between the Southeast and Midwest. (in my case all of these are north lol).

flymco753 wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

Sounds like Ecuador is the intentional route.

flymco753 wrote:

NK isn't really major on the west coast anyhow, compared to the likes of the Midwest, each airline has their niche, WN wants to be the airline for CA, AS wants to be a west coast airline including the PNW, B6 likes the east coast to Florida, Spirit likes the Midwest, so all in all NK won't be big on the west coast like they would in the Midwest (DTW and ORD being the major bases)

Not sure how you can say NK likes the midwest. (depending on how you label the midwest)

No STL, IND, BNA, MEM, CVG, CMH, LIT, OMA, OKC, ICT, DSM, and others.

All they have is MCI, MSP, ORD, DTW, CLE.

I'm from Florida so the Midwest as I know it begins as far east as Pittsburgh, south as Cincinnati, west and North as Minneapolis, I'd consider Kansas City the far west Midwest. In terms of frequency, DTW and ORD hold a pretty heavy amount with decent ops at CLE, PIT, and MSP, far more activity than most parts of the US other than the Southeast, which is where most of these flights are going.

I believe NK is going to expand their Midwest profile by adding IND and STL next, AUS is Southwest, RDU is southeast, BNA I guess could be considered Midwest since technically it's in the middle between the Southeast and Midwest. (in my case all of these are north lol).

I figured we had different definitions haha. For me midwest is Kansas/Denver border to Ohio/Penn Border (with Ohio kind of being a tweener). Tennesee is kind of a tweener for where it changes to south, but I was throwing it in for this. I don't like putting MSP, MKE, DTW, and ORD in the midwest but I think you almost have to since I don't count North as a region. It is always interesting to see different peoples takes on geography.

One of the domestic routes is to ISP (New Airport for spirit) from MYR and possibly somewhere else.

Jshank83 wrote:

flymco753 wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

Sounds like Ecuador is the intentional route.



Not sure how you can say NK likes the midwest. (depending on how you label the midwest)

No STL, IND, BNA, MEM, CVG, CMH, LIT, OMA, OKC, ICT, DSM, and others.

All they have is MCI, MSP, ORD, DTW, CLE.

I'm from Florida so the Midwest as I know it begins as far east as Pittsburgh, south as Cincinnati, west and North as Minneapolis, I'd consider Kansas City the far west Midwest. In terms of frequency, DTW and ORD hold a pretty heavy amount with decent ops at CLE, PIT, and MSP, far more activity than most parts of the US other than the Southeast, which is where most of these flights are going.

I believe NK is going to expand their Midwest profile by adding IND and STL next, AUS is Southwest, RDU is southeast, BNA I guess could be considered Midwest since technically it's in the middle between the Southeast and Midwest. (in my case all of these are north lol).

I figured we had different definitions haha. For me midwest is Kansas/Denver border to Ohio/Penn Border (with Ohio kind of being a tweener). Tennesee is kind of a tweener for where it changes to south, but I was throwing it in for this. I don't like putting MSP, MKE, DTW, and ORD in the midwest but I think you almost have to since I don't count North as a region. It is always interesting to see different peoples takes on geography.

It is different everywhere you go, I just looked up a graphic of what states belong to which region; ME, VT, NH, RI, CT, MA, NY, NJ, DE, PA, MD make up the Northeast. WV, VA, NC, SC, GA, AL, MS, LA, AR, TN, KY and FL are the Southeast. OH, MI, IN, IL, WI, MN, ND, SD, IA, MO, and KS are all part of the Midwest. OK, TX, NM, AZ is the Southwest. CO, WY, MT, ID, UT, NV, CA, OR, WA, AK, and HI are the West.

Balloonchaser wrote:

One of the domestic routes is to ISP (New Airport for spirit) from MYR and possibly somewhere else.

Not trying to sound rude but how do you know that?

flymco753 wrote:

raddek wrote:

The solid rumor mill is with all the planes NK is getting over the next few months, you will have to fly them somewhere. 4 new domestic cities and 4 international cities to be announced within the coming months. This is all speculation for all of us, but that's what makes a.net fun!

If it’s 4 new cities I can put my bets on AUS, RDU, IND and STL.

Can I ask why RDU over BNA? While I think NK will come to them eventually, I would be somewhat baffled if they got NK before BNA. RDU already has decent ULCC operations, while BNA, aside for some token F9 operations, is lacking in the ULCC department. Also, all of those airports minus STL have G4 as well, while BNA does not. BNA would be among the most next logical adds for NK, considering lack of competition among ULCC's and its status as the fastest growing airport of its size.

flymco753 wrote:

Balloonchaser wrote:

One of the domestic routes is to ISP (New Airport for spirit) from MYR and possibly somewhere else.

Not trying to sound rude but how do you know that?

Currently Spirit and a unknown airline (American Eagle) want the ISP-MYR route (MYR is doing a huge airport expansion).

I know that ISP is getting a CLT route on American Eagle (I have also heard that we are getting a DCA route) in 2018.

Yes, I dont know Spirit for sure... But I know that they want the route (As this is the Best predicted route from ISP - Other then to BWI and MCO)

flymco753 wrote:

Jshank83 wrote:

Sounds like Ecuador is the intentional route.

flymco753 wrote:

NK isn't really major on the west coast anyhow, compared to the likes of the Midwest, each airline has their niche, WN wants to be the airline for CA, AS wants to be a west coast airline including the PNW, B6 likes the east coast to Florida, Spirit likes the Midwest, so all in all NK won't be big on the west coast like they would in the Midwest (DTW and ORD being the major bases)

Not sure how you can say NK likes the midwest. (depending on how you label the midwest)

No STL, IND, BNA, MEM, CVG, CMH, LIT, OMA, OKC, ICT, DSM, and others.

All they have is MCI, MSP, ORD, DTW, CLE.

I'm from Florida so the Midwest as I know it begins as far east as Pittsburgh, south as Cincinnati, west and North as Minneapolis, I'd consider Kansas City the far west Midwest. In terms of frequency, DTW and ORD hold a pretty heavy amount with decent ops at CLE, PIT, and MSP, far more activity than most parts of the US other than the Southeast, which is where most of these flights are going.

I believe NK is going to expand their Midwest profile by adding IND and STL next, AUS is Southwest, RDU is southeast, BNA I guess could be considered Midwest since technically it's in the middle between the Southeast and Midwest. (in my case all of these are north lol).

I'm from the Midwest. I approve of your definition.

ROC will be announced within the next six months, id absolutely bet on it. MCAA just had their fourth meeting with NK finish recently, and whether they should or shouldn't they will offer incentives. Also, G4 and AC just moved counter spaces at ROC due to the renovation, but left the perfect spot for their counter to go between G4 and AA. The county is also ending its temp gate lease on B4 with DL, which would only be done if another airline offered to actually lease it. All of this is public information on the airports website.

Personally I've got nothing against NK and wouldn't mind the extra competition, but WN and G4 have a fairly good stake in Florida From ROC. But we'll see.

I guess GYE is the new destination...

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flymco753 wrote:

It is different everywhere you go, I just looked up a graphic of what states belong to which region; ME, VT, NH, RI, CT, MA, NY, NJ, DE, PA, MD make up the Northeast. WV, VA, NC, SC, GA, AL, MS, LA, AR, TN, KY and FL are the Southeast. OH, MI, IN, IL, WI, MN, ND, SD, IA, MO, and KS are all part of the Midwest. OK, TX, NM, AZ is the Southwest. CO, WY, MT, ID, UT, NV, CA, OR, WA, AK, and HI are the West.

This makes sense. Thanks for looking it up.

ADrum23 wrote:

flymco753 wrote:

raddek wrote:

The solid rumor mill is with all the planes NK is getting over the next few months, you will have to fly them somewhere. 4 new domestic cities and 4 international cities to be announced within the coming months. This is all speculation for all of us, but that's what makes a.net fun!

If it’s 4 new cities I can put my bets on AUS, RDU, IND and STL.

Can I ask why RDU over BNA? While I think NK will come to them eventually, I would be somewhat baffled if they got NK before BNA. RDU already has decent ULCC operations, while BNA, aside for some token F9 operations, is lacking in the ULCC department. Also, all of those airports minus STL have G4 as well, while BNA does not. BNA would be among the most next logical adds for NK, considering lack of competition among ULCC's and its status as the fastest growing airport of its size.

It is the next logical add, but is WN going to put too much fare pressure on Spirit to potentially gain a lesser profit than say RDU or AUS? AUS/RDU-DTW has no LCC competition, I wanted to pick on that one because DTW seems to be successful for Spirit. I do want to see BNA over all though, that would be an absolute priority for me if I was a Network Analyst.