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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:08 pm

Turkish Airlines published today also its July 2017 traffic results:

ASK 16.610m +4,6%
RPK 13.927m +19,6%
L/F 83.8% +10.5 Pp
Pax 7.202.011 +24.3%
Freight 99.013t +39.5%
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:39 pm

Great result with respect to L/F and pax figures!

I take it with a grain of salt though, since TK is massively involved in the charter business in AYT this year. They probably achieve close to 100% L/F on those ops while hardly making a penny in that business.
What are your thoughts?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:51 pm

Turkish777X wrote:
Great result with respect to L/F and pax figures!

I take it with a grain of salt though, since TK is massively involved in the charter business in AYT this year. They probably achieve close to 100% L/F on those ops while hardly making a penny in that business.
What are your thoughts?


The charter load factor is actually lower than scheduled. Remember many TK charters are one-way (think Hadj, sports teams, and even many tourist flights) with aircraft operating an empty leg either to position or deposition from the flight.
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Fri Aug 11, 2017 5:08 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Turkish777X wrote:
Great result with respect to L/F and pax figures!

I take it with a grain of salt though, since TK is massively involved in the charter business in AYT this year. They probably achieve close to 100% L/F on those ops while hardly making a penny in that business.
What are your thoughts?


The charter load factor is actually lower than scheduled. Remember many TK charters are one-way (think Hadj, sports teams, and even many tourist flights) with aircraft operating an empty leg either to position or deposition from the flight.

That's not the case for the AYT charters, though. It's back and forth to Russia, bringing and returning tourists from their holidays, all season. Maybe the first and last flights of the season have an empty leg, but that's it.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Fri Aug 11, 2017 5:39 pm

Per TK investor update, non-scheduled operations represent mere 1.6 pct distribution of total passengers carried, with 0.6 being for umrah/hajj clients.
So hardly a noticeable effect in the grand scheme.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Fri Aug 11, 2017 5:58 pm

Turkish777X wrote:
Great result with respect to L/F and pax figures!

I take it with a grain of salt though, since TK is massively involved in the charter business in AYT this year. They probably achieve close to 100% L/F on those ops while hardly making a penny in that business.
What are your thoughts?


I tend to agree to LaxIntl and Mercure1s comments

I am looking to the schedules of AYT for some time, there are in average 25-30 int. flights a day by TK . Thats about maximum 60/1500 daily or less than 4% of its network
It can hardly have an impact to overall L/F of whole network.

Its more effected by Domestic loads 88.4%, Far East 87.3% and North America 89.5%.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Sat Aug 12, 2017 6:21 am

Reporting from on board TK12 JFK-IST. 340 pax on board -JJU. 8:35 flight time. Slow service so far and the cabin is HOT!!!!
 
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Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:15 am

Yesterday there was a short closure of both parallel runways 35L/R in IST: first there has been a quite big flock of birds flying very low over the runway 35R, while TK81 (A333 to BOS) took off. You could really see, how the gulls crossed it's path during take off run. I wondered, that none of them has hit the plane but it took of safely and continued it's way to BOS as seen in FR24 afterwards. After that, both runways where closed. An Iraq Air A320 has been waiting on the runway 35L for about 10-15 minutes, until it could take off. Our captain (TK1505 to NUE) even made a announcement, that all take offs have been delayed, due to migrating birds. And it was not the birds next to 35R but another HUGE flock flying over the airport: http://i.imgur.com/cFVr9no.jpg (zoom in on the picture, then you can see them).

After those birds flew away, take offs continued only in runway 35L, as many gulls where still resting right next to 35R. Unfortunately live-ATC was down at that time, so no ATC records are available. But still interesting and a good decision from all involved parties to stop all take offs for safety reasons, even though there has been a huge line of aircraft waiting for take off.
 
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Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:38 am

Again these figures are for july only which is the peek of summer season. L/F 83.8% is still under performance if you ask me (for normal times). There is definitely room for growth.
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:47 am

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Reporting from on board TK12 JFK-IST. 340 pax on board -JJU. 8:35 flight time. Slow service so far and the cabin is HOT!!!!


:crowded: 97% L/F? Wow!!
Do you know the O&D share??

Its seems since they have tightened/adjusted the capacities there are no more so much bargains for Transfer Passengers.
The slower growth of Transfer Pax and rise in Revenue/ASK suggests this.

RASK grew by 8.4% in 2Q17 and 5.2% in 1H17 (ex-currency)
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:15 am

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Again these figures are for july only which is the peek of summer season. L/F 83.8% is still under performance if you ask me (for normal times). There is definitely room for growth.


Actually it is common in Aviation to publish monthly results. Be it an Airline or Airport.
However most include also the cumulative figures.
On the other side DHMI is the only Authority I know who publishes only cumulative statistics, which is annoying for me as I prefer it monthly.

As for TKs L/F.
My name suggests it, I look very closely to the developements of TK since years.
TK makes it rarely >80%, especially in the years of massive expansion.
Thanks to its cost-structure they are also OK with loads in the 70ies and as you said, gives them room for growth :wink2:
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:31 pm

Tkfan wrote:
TK787 wrote:
Reporting from on board TK12 JFK-IST. 340 pax on board -JJU. 8:35 flight time. Slow service so far and the cabin is HOT!!!!

Do you know the O&D share??



Last figure I saw JFK was 77% Turkey O&D. Its the strongest North America O&D route, with least number of international transit pax as a percentage of enplanements.
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:44 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Tkfan wrote:
TK787 wrote:
Reporting from on board TK12 JFK-IST. 340 pax on board -JJU. 8:35 flight time. Slow service so far and the cabin is HOT!!!!

Do you know the O&D share??



Last figure I saw JFK was 77% Turkey O&D. Its the strongest North America O&D route, with least number of international transit pax as a percentage of enplanements.


How does BOS do in comparison - lots of researchers from Turkey in Greater Boston Universities and Hospitals.
Airlines flown: A3, AA, AC, AM, BA, B6, CO, DL, EA, EL, IB, LH, MI, MQ, NH, NW, NZ, PE, QF, S4, SQ, TP, UA, US, VS, WN
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:56 pm

In response to the comment above about the cabin being hot, most of the time when I'm flying with TK the cabin is absolutely freezing! 3/4 of my flights are early morning/late night flights so thankfully the blanket they offer keeps me warm!
 
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Sun Aug 13, 2017 9:55 am

LAXintl wrote:
Last figure I saw JFK was 77% Turkey O&D. Its the strongest North America O&D route, with least number of international transit pax as a percentage of enplanements.


Very interesting observation, almost hard to believe if you, yourself hadn't mentioned it!

What may be the reasons, why? Are TK's prices for transit (from JFK to Near East & Far East, and some of Middle East inc. Iran plus Israel) way up compared to competition like BA, AF, LH, KL, EY, EK, QR?

And with 3 daily flights between IST-JFK-IST (at the least for the Summer Timetable), if TK manages something like 85% LF on this route (on yearly average) and if 77% of this goes to IST O & D, that's a huge success. True, these flights cover up entire Turkey's pax to JFK as IST the only hub (and we know one very faithful passenger is the TK787! :P), but there must be some other factors behind this. If they may be keeping statistics of the actual nationality of these IST O & D pax, I'm pretty sure there may be a significant percentage of Iranian origin but Turkey (mostly Istanbul) resident pax are flying on this route. I recall, in the past years the Iranian population in Istanbul had risen up to 1 million after the Shah Regime was ended, those fleeing from the new Theocratic Regime. I guess a good percentage of these are now resident in Turkey, still... But those Iranians seem to have some close connections with USA and particularly New York.
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:36 am

mafaky wrote:
I recall, in the past years the Iranian population in Istanbul had risen up to 1 million after the Shah Regime was ended, those fleeing from the new Theocratic Regime. I guess a good percentage of these are now resident in Turkey, still...

They very well integrated to Turkey. Almost dissappeared!....
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Sun Aug 13, 2017 5:00 pm

I don't have all the data with me at home over the weekend, but as I recall historically JFK and NRT are the two longhaul routes with high(est) percentage of local O&D traffic flow.

For the record I posted this information back in June (See reply 90). It turns out JFK route is 78% Turkey O&D, only 22% transit.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1364675&start=50

Obviously, there is strong enough local demand in market for TK to fill 3 JFK flights, without need to heavily supplement with international transfer passengers. JFK obviously compares quite differently to some other longhaul routes which are supported by primarily selling transit clients.
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Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:02 pm

Its probably no coincidence both NYC and Tokyo were some of the fist TK longhaul routes in the A310 days. Clearly there is underlying local demand.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:16 pm

LAXintl wrote:

Last figure I saw JFK was 77% Turkey O&D. Its the strongest North America O&D route, with least number of international transit pax as a percentage of enplanements.


Time to take the 4th daily evaluations back from the shelves with an intermediate stop in Europe :scratchchin:

Do you know which European country grants fifth freedom rights for Turkish Airlines??



On another note, Uzbekistan and Turkey revised bilaterals. 1 (=one) flight/week for both sides to Samarkand with a second flight beginning S18.
I hope TK starts flights to this Jewel of City :hyper:
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Mon Aug 14, 2017 1:56 pm

Do you know which European country grants fifth freedom rights for Turkish Airlines??

Not too many in the Western Europe, I believe/fear.
Not too long time ago, it was Luxembourg who was ready to offer that for a daily IST-LUX-JFK service but that wasn't found feasible by TK.
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:40 pm

mafaky wrote:
Do you know which European country grants fifth freedom rights for Turkish Airlines??

Not too many in the Western Europe, I believe/fear.
Not too long time ago, it was Luxembourg who was ready to offer that for a daily IST-LUX-JFK service but that wasn't found feasible by TK.


Excactly, that was in my mind. There were talks last year but unfortunately TK stopped/shelved this project as they cut capacities.
Now that traffic picked up it may be worth to evaluate again?
 
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Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:35 pm

How much O & D traffic can one expect between LUX & JFK???

Not too many pax will wish (unless you give them a very generous discount on ticket prices...) to take a TK flight from IST to JFK via LUX, even though this may be on a 333 and be the 4th daily flight to JFK from IST.
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Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:01 pm

The Privilege Style B767-300/ER EC-LZO will land in Istanbul today, with Sevilla FC for the Champions League qualifier game vs. Basaksehir:

http://footballcharters.blogspot.com/20 ... ugust.html

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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:49 am

Pegasus Airlines published also its July traffic numbers and financial results for Q2.
However I couldnt find the financials online, I have to rely on Turkish Aviation sites.

July 2017
Passengers 2.72m +22.4% (dom 14.6%, intl 31.4%)
ASK 3.38b +15.9% (+6.6%, +18.6%)
Loads 86.6% +7.5pp (+6.0pp, +9.7pp)

Jan-Jul 2017
Passengers 15.35m +14.1% (dom 8.8%, intl 21.9%)
ASK 18.35b +6.1% (+3.6%, +6.3%)
Loads 83.2% +6.2pp (+4.6pp, +8.8pp)



Profits(?) in 2Q17 160.7m TLY (2Q16 -13.6m TLY)
Where can I find there Financials??
 
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Tue Aug 15, 2017 11:32 am

Tkfan wrote:
Pegasus Airlines published also its July traffic numbers and financial results for Q2.
However I couldnt find the financials online, I have to rely on Turkish Aviation sites.

July 2017
Passengers 2.72m +22.4% (dom 14.6%, intl 31.4%)
ASK 3.38b +15.9% (+6.6%, +18.6%)
Loads 86.6% +7.5pp (+6.0pp, +9.7pp)

Jan-Jul 2017
Passengers 15.35m +14.1% (dom 8.8%, intl 21.9%)
ASK 18.35b +6.1% (+3.6%, +6.3%)
Loads 83.2% +6.2pp (+4.6pp, +8.8pp)



Profits(?) in 2Q17 160.7m TLY (2Q16 -13.6m TLY)
Where can I find there Financials??


All here: http://www.pegasusyatirimciiliskileri.com/tr/default.aspx
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Tue Aug 15, 2017 11:43 am

leftyboarder wrote:


:thumbsup:
Thank you for the link. When I tried Pegasus site I was directed to their German booking site.
The direct link helps :D
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:02 pm

Hello. As we all should have noticed by now, TK don't seem to put a Q, W or X in their aircraft reg, e.g. there's no TC-JSQ, TC-JHW, TC-JRX etc. I can guess why they don't use X but is there a reason why they don't use Q or W? This question is probably beyond easy for experts!
EDIT: I notice that Pegasus also skip Q, W and X. I'm guessing it's because the airlines somehow aren't allowed use those letters?
 
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Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:48 pm

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Hello. As we all should have noticed by now, TK don't seem to put a Q, W or X in their aircraft reg, e.g. there's no TC-JSQ, TC-JHW, TC-JRX etc. I can guess why they don't use X but is there a reason why they don't use Q or W? This question is probably beyond easy for experts!
EDIT: I notice that Pegasus also skip Q, W and X. I'm guessing it's because the airlines somehow aren't allowed use those letters?


These letters do not exist in Turkish Alphabet therefore no Turkish Airline will use them.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:35 pm

Turkish Airlines second charity Cargo flight to Somalia with 60t of Baby Nutrition organised by Jerome Jarre and #LoveArmyForSomalia

News in Turkish with pics:
http://m.airporthaber.com/havacilik-hab ... zatti.html

One of the best! Campaigns done with social media, thanks to Jerome Jarre and his friends and all contributors.
So far they distributed 1000t of food and 3million liters of water, helping appr. 45.000 families.

https://www.gofundme.com/LOVEARMYFORSOMALIA
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Tue Aug 15, 2017 11:23 pm

Hi people
pls just a quick question: how is the name of the Shopping Mall near Ataturk Airport where Its possible spotting?. And do i will have problems spotting there with Police?
Thanx
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Tue Aug 15, 2017 11:34 pm

mxp wrote:
Hi people
pls just a quick question: how is the name of the Shopping Mall near Ataturk Airport where Its possible spotting?. And do i will have problems spotting there with Police?
Thanx
Alberto


FLY INN AVM (=Mall)
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Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:55 am

mxp wrote:
Hi people
pls just a quick question: how is the name of the Shopping Mall near Ataturk Airport where Its possible spotting?. And do i will have problems spotting there with Police?
Thanx
Alberto


Observed so many spotters there with proffesional equipments, so It won't be an issue. And police nothing has to do with it, It's private security area.
 
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Wed Aug 16, 2017 9:41 am

Thank you very much everyone. I Will take a taxi from airport. I have all' the afternoon to spot.
And then will fly to JFK with TK the Next morning
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Wed Aug 16, 2017 10:50 am

I have a question regarding domestic flights between IST to ADB, AYT, DLM, BJV.

Can anyone tell how the Pax-mix is? More locals or also foreigners/tourists?
Stylo777 maybe you? As you are often on these routes?
 
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Thu Aug 17, 2017 10:07 am

I was wondering if PC is going to take delivery of one less A320neo since they rejected to take delivery of one of the testbeds. I could imagine they were able to swap it for another slot since the testbed surely is a substandard frame, yet I couldn't find any info regarding this so it's just speculation on my part. Also, is PC going to take the remaining three B738s on order (originally five, two went to TAROM already)? Your answers will be much appreciated.
 
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Thu Aug 17, 2017 10:08 am

Tkfan wrote:
I have a question regarding domestic flights between IST to ADB, AYT, DLM, BJV.

Can anyone tell how the Pax-mix is? More locals or also foreigners/tourists?
Stylo777 maybe you? As you are often on these routes?

My last flight; IST-DLM few days ago was around 50% Turkish, the rest the usual mix with Russians and Arabs being the majority.
 
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Thu Aug 17, 2017 10:52 am

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I was wondering if PC is going to take delivery of one less A320neo since they rejected to take delivery of one of the testbeds. I could imagine they were able to swap it for another slot since the testbed surely is a substandard frame, yet I couldn't find any info regarding this so it's just speculation on my part. Also, is PC going to take the remaining three B738s on order (originally five, two went to TAROM already)? Your answers will be much appreciated.


According to Airbus Order and Deliveries sheet and Pegasus Investor Relations presentation as of July 2017, they will still take delivery of 57 A320neo and 18 A321neo, as ordered.
Concerning the 3 last Boeings, I don't think they will take them. I expect an announcement they have sold them too, like the other 2 which has gone to TAROM.
 
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Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:00 pm

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My last flight; IST-DLM few days ago was around 50% Turkish, the rest the usual mix with Russians and Arabs being the majority.


Thank you for the feedback.

I am monitoring the touristic activities and statistics for some time, especially from Germany.
Unfortunately there are very contradicting news about tourism in Turkey in German media. It varies from Turkish tourism broke apart to we can't meet the demand.
Obviously Travel Agencies and Airlines had very low expectations, cut capacities and allocated elsewhere.

Looking at statistics it seems German travellers are coming back.
I wonder, since there are less direct connections to the coast if they come via IST.
 
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Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:42 pm

Arrivals from Germany
Latest data by Ministry for Culture and Tourism
June 383.172 +10.8%
Jan- Jun 1.246.744 -17.1%
However far from record 2015 June 556.649 and Jan-Jun 2.109.763.
July statistics will be published end August.

AYT German Arrivals
July 245.585 -3.6%
Jan-Jul 825.303 -20.8%
In 2015 Jul 352.043, Jan-Jul 1.504.633. Data for August will be published in September.
 
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Thu Aug 17, 2017 6:29 pm

Does anyone know when will TK order more new aircraft like the A350 B787 and A330NEO and is there any photo of the refurbished cabins in A332s in the TK fleet?
 
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Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:14 pm

Turkish Airlines A330-200 TC-JNF has been ferried Istanbul-Tarbes Lourdes where it will be scrapped aircraft left the fleet
 
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Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:33 pm

Tkfan wrote:
I have a question regarding domestic flights between IST to ADB, AYT, DLM, BJV.

Can anyone tell how the Pax-mix is? More locals or also foreigners/tourists?
Stylo777 maybe you? As you are often on these routes?

ADB: depending on the departure time you can get a plane full of Turks (obviously business related) or tourists. I've observed many Arabic and Russian speaking passengers, but particurarly to ADB often also a mix of French, Italian, Spanish and Portuguese speakers. The latter one being not solely Portugal, but also Brazil. Iranians are also increasing and of course the usual mixture of Turks living abroad (Germany, Austria, France, etc). As I said, it really depends on the time and day.

AYT: many Turkish people and again Russian/Arabic speaking in the majority. Many families...

DLM: still have English speakers from the UK/Ireland; other than that the usual mix

BJV: the very "special" kind of Turks !! Everybody is VIP and more people keeping their sunglasses on inside the plane than off... I personally don't like the BJV clientele.

You didn't ask, but ESB is usually full of business people with 70/30 Turkish-Foreign mix. Also here, very special clientele, but much nicer than BJV. People from Ankara are generally classy, polite and elegant. Thats my feeling when taking those flights every week.

I might add that I fly 95% TK and 5% KK on domestic. Only once in a while 8Q or PC (IST-ADB), but never SAW. I make sure to avoid the airport version of Esenler-Otogari.
 
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Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:15 pm

Thank you for the detailed answer Stylo777 :thumbsup:

stylo777 wrote:

BJV: the very "special" kind of Turks !! Everybody is VIP and more people keeping their sunglasses on inside the plane than off... I personally don't like the BJV clientele.

I liked your BJV-Profile description. The only way to show-off your sunglasses :lol:
Maybe BJV is the only touristic Airport that is dominated by Turks 3:1.

On another note, it is highly possible that AYT will break its own Passenger record. In August 2015 Antalya had 4.498.814 PAX. Currently they have about 2.2million.
 
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Fri Aug 18, 2017 12:48 am

BOEING777EK wrote:
Does anyone know when will TK order more new aircraft like the A350 B787 and A330NEO and is there any photo of the refurbished cabins in A332s in the TK fleet?


These days there is a rumor TK will order 2 more B77F.

Btw from where is the information TC-JNF will be scrapped?
 
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Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:51 am

Btw from where is the information TC-JNF will be scrapped?


What business might it have at LDE, ferried to this place with a TK ferry flight TK6000 (something) on 17th Aug. morning?
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Fri Aug 18, 2017 3:16 pm

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One last thing to mention. Toward the end of the flight, I was about to use the front lav and the co-pilot was standing there. To my surprise, he greeted me and then punched in the numbers and opened the cockpit door and walked in. That was the first time in many years I've seen the inside of a cockpit during flight. (All US airlines use a food cart to block the aisle and a FA faces the pax while a pilot is outside the cockpit.)


That's a security violation. However, I have witnessed this several times, while the plane is on the ground, in flight, etc. Turkish culture allows this.
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:29 pm

About tourists in Turkey. Few nights ago Marmaris was hopping, traffic with rental cars all around. But tonight, Sarigerme is deserted :) wow!! What a difference from few years back. Literally no people traffic at 9pm on a Friday night, 10 miles distance to DLM.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Fri Aug 18, 2017 7:48 pm

Regarding the previous question about the domestic routes and traffic composition below are some statistics.

For example - IST-ADA
Avg load factor - 78 percent
Intl Connections - 22 percent
Domestic Connex - 3 percent

So per below data, markets like AYT and ADB have the highest percentage of international connections via IST.

ROUTE - LOAD FACTOR - INTL TRANSIT - DOMESTIC TRANSIT

ISTADAIST 78 % 22 % 3 %
ISTADBIST 74 % 30 % 7 %
ISTADFIST 83 % 2 % 6 %
ISTAJIIST 79 % 3 % 8 %
ISTASRIST 73 % 21 % 5 %
ISTAYTIST 69 % 38 % 10 %
ISTBALIST 84 % 5 % 6 %
ISTBJVIST 68 % 16 % 11 %
ISTDIYIST 80 % 23 % 3 %
ISTDLMIST 69 % 16 % 7 %
ISTDNZIST 72 % 9 % 5 %
ISTERCIST 75 % 5 % 6 %
ISTERZIST 76 % 9 % 8 %
ISTESBIST 73 % 23 % 2 %
ISTEZSIST 76 % 14 % 5 %
ISTGNYIST 77 % 5 % 5 %
ISTGZTIST 77 % 20 % 6 %
ISTHTYIST 79 % 18 % 6 %
ISTKCMIST 75 % 6 % 5 %
ISTKSYIST 79 % 6 % 6 %
ISTKYAIST 79 % 20 % 3 %
ISTMLXIST 75 % 10 % 5 %
ISTMQMIST 80 % 10 % 5 %
ISTMSRIST 83 % 3 % 9 %
ISTMZHIST 74 % 4 % 6 %
ISTNAVIST 68 % 5 % 3 %
ISTNOPIST 64 % 4 % 10 %
ISTSZFIST 76 % 20 % 12 %
ISTTZXIST 77 % 19 % 6 %
ISTVANIST 86 % 3 % 8 %
ISTVASIST 72 % 8 % 7 %

For sake of normalization, this data is from 2015 and should likely reflect rather normal traffic flow without all the disruptions seen in 2016.
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:45 pm

TK787 wrote:
About tourists in Turkey. Few nights ago Marmaris was hopping, traffic with rental cars all around. But tonight, Sarigerme is deserted :) wow!! What a difference from few years back. Literally no people traffic at 9pm on a Friday night, 10 miles distance to DLM.


What's the reason?? New Tourist profile?
Sarigerme was more of a Pensioners and Families paradise, if I remember correctly?
They usually dont leave their hotels so often.

LAXintl wrote:
Regarding the previous question about the domestic routes and traffic composition below are some statistics.

For example - IST-ADA
Avg load factor - 78 percent
Intl Connections - 22 percent
Domestic Connex - 3 percent

So per below data, markets like AYT and ADB have the highest percentage of international connections via IST.

ROUTE - LOAD FACTOR - INTL TRANSIT - DOMESTIC TRANSIT

ISTADAIST 78 % 22 % 3 %
ISTADBIST 74 % 30 % 7 %
ISTADFIST 83 % 2 % 6 %
ISTAJIIST 79 % 3 % 8 %
ISTASRIST 73 % 21 % 5 %
ISTAYTIST 69 % 38 % 10 %
ISTBALIST 84 % 5 % 6 %
ISTBJVIST 68 % 16 % 11 %
ISTDIYIST 80 % 23 % 3 %
ISTDLMIST 69 % 16 % 7 %
ISTDNZIST 72 % 9 % 5 %
ISTERCIST 75 % 5 % 6 %
ISTERZIST 76 % 9 % 8 %
ISTESBIST 73 % 23 % 2 %
ISTEZSIST 76 % 14 % 5 %
ISTGNYIST 77 % 5 % 5 %
ISTGZTIST 77 % 20 % 6 %
ISTHTYIST 79 % 18 % 6 %
ISTKCMIST 75 % 6 % 5 %
ISTKSYIST 79 % 6 % 6 %
ISTKYAIST 79 % 20 % 3 %
ISTMLXIST 75 % 10 % 5 %
ISTMQMIST 80 % 10 % 5 %
ISTMSRIST 83 % 3 % 9 %
ISTMZHIST 74 % 4 % 6 %
ISTNAVIST 68 % 5 % 3 %
ISTNOPIST 64 % 4 % 10 %
ISTSZFIST 76 % 20 % 12 %
ISTTZXIST 77 % 19 % 6 %
ISTVANIST 86 % 3 % 8 %
ISTVASIST 72 % 8 % 7 %

For sake of normalization, this data is from 2015 and should likely reflect rather normal traffic flow without all the disruptions seen in 2016.


Thank you for this amazing list.
It's not quite what I was looking for, but very interesting nevertheless.

I am surprised that most Airports in Southeast and East Turkey have low int-connection shares as they have the greater diaspora.
On the other hand, the high share of AYT and ADB. They are well connected by foreign Airlines and Sun Express have big Bases there....

Can you give us also the biggest International markets out of these Airports??
ESB would be very interesting. 23% of a high volume route is surely worth a look :)
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2017

Fri Aug 18, 2017 10:41 pm

I posted the info before, but for market like ESB the largest demand international connection markets are the typical large Turkish European markets like MUC, FRA, AMS, LON, PAR, etc.

AYT and ADB are bit different since they are gateways to the beaches so demand from places like Scandinavia, UK, etc are big drivers to those cities.
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