Purely from the point of view of an economy customer, VA would have a great point of difference if they went A350 over the QF/JQ 787s, just from the comfort aspect.

and agree with other posters, the A35K is too much plane for VA, they're need to carve out a niche of being a comfortable second player in Australia, and not be trying to be bigger than QF, just do the right things at the right scale.

Obzerva wrote:

Purely from the point of view of an economy customer, VA would have a great point of difference if they went A350 over the QF/JQ 787s, just from the comfort aspect.

I was thinking the exact same thing.

Jetstar is apparently no longer going to put an A321 in Perth to operate DPS services.

zkncj wrote:

IndianicWorld wrote:

More than likely it would just be a lease deal anyway.

Which will end up with VA back in the same place as they we're with the A332, aircraft on lease at expensive rates due to VA being an high-risk customer.

No smart leasing company is going to give VA an deal on brand new wide body aircraft, currently they would be to high of an risk of changing there mind, no paying the lease or worse gone broke before they had them delivered. If VA wants to lease they are going to pay a high price for it.

Constantly think VA should forget about anything other than the 737, stick to an single fleet type providing an vaule based service between the main ports in AU.

Where do you get this from? I haven't heard of any particularly unreasonable lease rates for VA or that they're considered "high risk".

The widebody fleet replacement is an easier proposition now that all widebodies are going international. Before I would have put money on a 787 deal but now I'm leaning more to 359s. CX use them fine from Hong Kong and no doubt they'd manage LA. A dual fleet of 359 and 333neo is totally unnecessary given it's only likely to be 12-14 frames.

Conceivably about 90 per cent of the total VA seat capacity would be on two aircraft types within a few years of the widebody order.

was talking to Click Frenzy saleswoman who said "almost all airlines", whatever that means,(could be advertising speak for 3 airlines) are advertising on click frenzy travel next week. FYI-for those who don't know, Click Frenzy travel is a 24 hour online sale starting 1900 AEST 22AUG.

Got the impression, that due to Korea & terrorism, that most airlines into Australia are hurting big time, I mean just look at how low fares have got. So does this mean, fares will 24 hours will be even cheaper, or just another advertising avenue ? Be interesting to see what appears. eg. cheap $800 ish return SYD/LAX right now. Will this drop to $700 for limited number of dates/times for 24 hours only ?

The bagging brigade is out in force as they demand QF and VA to lower prices on WA regional routes.

The spokeswoman for the Broome Chamber of Commerce referred to a 20% fall in airport numbers through BME from 2013 to 2016 was due to high airfares as the main reason not say a weak economy.

The City of Kalgoorlie-Boulder has threatened to start its own airline if QF & VA don't lower it fares.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western ... 303b53d39e

qf789 wrote:

The bagging brigade is out in force as they demand QF and VA to lower prices on WA regional routes.

The spokeswoman for the Broome Chamber of Commerce referred to a 20% fall in airport numbers through BME from 2013 to 2016 was due to high airfares as the main reason not say a weak economy.

The City of Kalgoorlie-Boulder has threatened to start its own airline if QF & VA don't lower it fares.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western ... 303b53d39e

Kalgoorlie and Broome get significantly more services than most other Australian cities of similar size and whilst costs are high, costs are always high to regional ports.

Broome has a population of ~15,000 and has ~5x daily flights to PER and then 1-3x weekly services to BNE, SYD and MEL. The people of Mackay and Rockhampton which have ~80,000+ people each only get services to BNE (and regional QLD)... Probably not the fairest example but still.

If Kalgoorlie wants to start their own airline then that is a great idea. If they can manage to offer profitable services at a lower cost than QF/VA then they should. The problem is that they won't be able to.

qf789 wrote:

LamboAston wrote:

qf2220 wrote:

I don't see why one fleet of 789s isn't the VA preferred. Even with 2 configs, having one fleet would be far cheaper for fleet maintenance purposes. Australia-US flights would all be on the table, as would all of Asia and of course domestics. From what I'm reading here, the 789 is superior to the 788 in most respects, and the 7810 is the model with range/capacity tradeoff. By slightly constraining the seat count, VA could have higher yields and do themselves a bunch of favours..

For shorter range ops (coast to coast, and Asia), the range loss on the 10 will not be significant, and will have a higher profit margin than the 789, if they can get the loads. Very little fuel consumption difference between the two, just weight. The 9 is better for long haul ops, but can do short haul (look at NZ).

The 787-10 is too big for both coast to coast and Asia services for VA. It would be configured around 350 passengers. A 788/789 combination would work well, the 788's (around 6) to replace the A332's on domestic/Asia routes and 789's for US routes. It VA played it right the 5 x 77W's should be replaced with at 6 x 789's possibly a couple more. This would allow MEL/BNE-LAX frequency to be increased, maybe they could look at SFO or SEA as well.

Forget about the 788 it's history. Better to slightly abuse a 789 than to have a small subfleet of 788. Basically nobody is ordering 788 anymore since the 789 can do everything the 788 can do for only a slightly higher cost on shorter routes. You get more flexibility to use it and of course save in having a standard fleet.

Qantas16 wrote:

qf789 wrote:

The bagging brigade is out in force as they demand QF and VA to lower prices on WA regional routes.

The spokeswoman for the Broome Chamber of Commerce referred to a 20% fall in airport numbers through BME from 2013 to 2016 was due to high airfares as the main reason not say a weak economy.

The City of Kalgoorlie-Boulder has threatened to start its own airline if QF & VA don't lower it fares.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western ... 303b53d39e

Kalgoorlie and Broome get significantly more services than most other Australian cities of similar size and whilst costs are high, costs are always high to regional ports.

Broome has a population of ~15,000 and has ~5x daily flights to PER and then 1-3x weekly services to BNE, SYD and MEL. The people of Mackay and Rockhampton which have ~80,000+ people each only get services to BNE (and regional QLD)... Probably not the fairest example but still.

If Kalgoorlie wants to start their own airline then that is a great idea. If they can manage to offer profitable services at a lower cost than QF/VA then they should. The problem is that they won't be able to.

Couldn't they get hold of a Saab 340 or 2 & put them on a New Zealand AOC. From what I hear, much easier to operate an aircraft in Australia on a NZ AOC than an Australian AOC.

can a Saab 340 get in & out of Jandakot with a 1392m runway ? If so, far better than using congested PER.

qf789 wrote:

There has been suggestions at the CAPA Summit in Sydney that there could be new domestic entrants still possible in the Australian market, a true ULCC or a start up from the Chinese

http://www.airlineratings.com/news/1378 ... ence-told-

surely a big Chinese tour operator could either do charters or start a virtual airline.

They could fly into OOL, rather than BNE, NTL or CBR rather than SYD & AVV rather than MEL.

MH to operate 737-800 for all of NW17/18 to PER

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... e-changes/

Alliance posts 37% increase in profit for FY15/16

http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/0 ... in-201516/

qf789 wrote:

MH to operate 737-800 for all of NW17/18 to PER

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... e-changes/

Ouch sure are trying to hand that route to Air Asia X and Malindo.
Closing their tourism office in Perth as well.

qf789 wrote:

MH to operate 737-800 for all of NW17/18 to PER

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... e-changes/

This is so disappointing. AirAsia X will now offer a better premium product on the route... how ironic!

How is their PER-BKI route doing?

ben175 wrote:

qf789 wrote:

MH to operate 737-800 for all of NW17/18 to PER

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... e-changes/

This is so disappointing. AirAsia X will now offer a better premium product on the route... how ironic!

How is their PER-BKI route doing?

Looking at the BITRE figures I would say its probably going to end up being axed. Load factors for this year, Jan to May have been in the 50's and 60's, it got down as low as 37% for inbound traffic in April. The flight only operates weekly and did not operate yesterday and wont be operating next week as well by the looks of things

waoz1 wrote:

qf789 wrote:

MH to operate 737-800 for all of NW17/18 to PER

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... e-changes/

Ouch sure are trying to hand that route to Air Asia X and Malindo.
Closing their tourism office in Perth as well.

There was talk of them going double daily on the route, possibly the old day time flight they used to run. No indication of yield, but they have always been full when ive flown MH, if anything Malaysians tend to avoid OD as they have a poor reputation locally.

Looks like PR is dropping Cairns effective December 6, in favor of non stop thrice weekly flights to AKL on their soon-retired A340s, notably canceling the fifth freedom route CNS-AKL in the process.

https://www.philippineairlines.com/ph/H ... p-auckland

SQ to send A359 to BNE from 16 October, SQ235/256 will be the flight upgraded

SQ245/246 to be upgraded to A359 from 16 December

SQ 236/255 upgraded to A359 from 16 January

SQ265/266 remains 772

http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/0 ... in-201516/

Here's a video QF released dedicated to -OJM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvNbWidCnmY&sns=em

& one dedicated to the B789

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3agMhNCcfR4&sns=em

EK413

I saw a CX cargo 748f fly over the city today, just wondering who else is still flying freighters into MEL and from where?

Polar Air Cargo, Singapore Airlines Cargo, Atlas Air (Qantas), Qantas Freight, Australian Air Express.

Plus VA/Toll and Cobham

AirBerlin have filed for insolvency after Etihad withdrew financial support. Interesting to see how long they give VA to get their house in order (I know AirBerlin is a completely different kettle of fish to VA)

A taxi blockade of MEL tonight, after Melbourne Airport management announced an Uber-X pickup zone this morning. Arriving passengers are able to take a Skybus into town free of charge at the moment, word is there'll be another blockade in the morning....

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/delay ... xwzlf.html

http://melbourneairport.com.au/about-me ... ckade.html

melpax wrote:

A taxi blockade of MEL tonight, after Melbourne Airport management announced an Uber-X pickup zone this morning. Arriving passengers are able to take a Skybus into town free of charge at the moment, word is there'll be another blockade in the morning....

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/delay ... xwzlf.html

http://melbourneairport.com.au/about-me ... ckade.html

Really helping their cause with that... great to see MEL allowing Uber!

Another view of Qantas's first 787 in the assembly line
787 Final Assembly 8.15.2017 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

Looks like QF are in the process of updating the NW schedule starting end of October 2017.

Some of the changes Ive found so far:

*SYD-HKG-SYD becomes double daily B744 - (2x daily A380 during the peak holiday period Dec/Jan)

*Both the BNE-HKG-BNE and MEL-HKG-MEL are departing 1hr earlier then last year

By the looks of it QF will now have a spare A333 now that the second daily SYD-HKG-SYD will be B744, I cant find any extra A333 flying scheduled which would account for the 1x A333.

vhebb wrote:

Looks like QF are in the process of updating the NW schedule starting end of October 2017.

Some of the changes Ive found so far:

*SYD-HKG-SYD becomes double daily B744 - (2x daily A380 during the peak holiday period Dec/Jan)

*Both the BNE-HKG-BNE and MEL-HKG-MEL are departing 1hr earlier then last year

By the looks of it QF will now have a spare A333 now that the second daily SYD-HKG-SYD will be B744, I cant find any extra A333 flying scheduled which would account for the 1x A333.

Where are the A380's going that were operating SYD-HKG last year?

Qantas16 wrote:

vhebb wrote:

Looks like QF are in the process of updating the NW schedule starting end of October 2017.

Some of the changes Ive found so far:

*SYD-HKG-SYD becomes double daily B744 - (2x daily A380 during the peak holiday period Dec/Jan)

*Both the BNE-HKG-BNE and MEL-HKG-MEL are departing 1hr earlier then last year

By the looks of it QF will now have a spare A333 now that the second daily SYD-HKG-SYD will be B744, I cant find any extra A333 flying scheduled which would account for the 1x A333.

Where are the A380's going that were operating SYD-HKG last year?

I'm struggling to see how they can do double daily to A388 to HKG when the other 11 are doing the normal rotations (QF1,2,7,8,9,10,11,12,93,94)

The double daily HKG is expected to start Mon 11 Dec (according to schedules)

Other changes that week are
SYD-SFO 6 weekly to daily
SYD-JNB 6 weekly to daily
SYD-SCL 4 weekly to 5 weekly
SYD-LAX daily to 9 weekly (QF17/18), will drop down to 8 weekly for last 2 weeks of Dec, then 10 weekly first week of Jan, the 9 weekly for remainder of Jan
SYD-YVR Seasonal 3 weekly resumes

PER-SIN goes from daily to 10 weekly from 23 Nov increasing double daily from 16 Dec

Qantas leads on time performance for all domestic carriers in FY16/17

http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/0 ... in-201617/

qf789 wrote:

I'm struggling to see how they can do double daily to A388 to HKG when the other 11 are doing the normal rotations (QF1,2,7,8,9,10,11,12,93,94)

QF93/94 transition to 789 in December. Should make 2x daily A380s available.

qfvhoqa wrote:

qf789 wrote:

I'm struggling to see how they can do double daily to A388 to HKG when the other 11 are doing the normal rotations (QF1,2,7,8,9,10,11,12,93,94)

QF93/94 transition to 789 in December. Should make 2x daily A380s available.

According to QF schedules QF93/94 is A388 for the whole of December. QF95/96 begins on 15th of December, 6 weekly 789 MEL-LAX, when this starts QF will only have 2 789's in the fleet

qfvhoqa wrote:

qf789 wrote:

I'm struggling to see how they can do double daily to A388 to HKG when the other 11 are doing the normal rotations (QF1,2,7,8,9,10,11,12,93,94)

QF93/94 transition to 789 in December. Should make 2x daily A380s available.

If my memory serves, QF93/4 never becomes a permenant 789 flight and will only see 789 operations during February on selected services. For the rest of the year it's still on A380.

Michael

qf789 wrote:

I'm struggling to see how they can do double daily to A388 to HKG when the other 11 are doing the normal rotations (QF1,2,7,8,9,10,11,12,93,94)

There must be more changes planned, the 744 fleet also looks slightly overcommitted now that they are down to ten frames.

Qantas plans extensive makeover of domestic business lounge and Qantas Club at MEL with work expected to start towards the end of the year and completed by mid 2018

SYD is expected to be done in 2019

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-plans-a ... antas-club

vhebb wrote:

, I cant find any extra A333 flying scheduled which would account for the 1x A333.

KIX? Plus replacing some 332 shifting from SIN/HKG to PER-AKL and seasonal upgauge of some PER-SIN.

AsiaTravel wrote:

vhebb wrote:

, I cant find any extra A333 flying scheduled which would account for the 1x A333.

KIX? Plus replacing some 332 shifting from SIN/HKG to PER-AKL and seasonal upgauge of some PER-SIN.

PER-SIN is currently listed as all 738

qf002 wrote:

qf789 wrote:

I'm struggling to see how they can do double daily to A388 to HKG when the other 11 are doing the normal rotations (QF1,2,7,8,9,10,11,12,93,94)

There must be more changes planned, the 744 fleet also looks slightly overcommitted now that they are down to ten frames.

The increase in frequency as mentioned above on top of the normal schedule can be done with 10 frames, however there will be little room for delays if an aircraft goes tech with either the 744 or A388 fleet

qf789 wrote:

qf002 wrote:

qf789 wrote:

I'm struggling to see how they can do double daily to A388 to HKG when the other 11 are doing the normal rotations (QF1,2,7,8,9,10,11,12,93,94)

There must be more changes planned, the 744 fleet also looks slightly overcommitted now that they are down to ten frames.

The increase in frequency as mentioned above on top of the normal schedule can be done with 10 frames, however there will be little room for delays if an aircraft goes tech with either the 744 or A388 fleet

I think this maybe a slight error with their loading team; or there is more changes to come.

The easiest ways to get the frames would be to replace 388s 3pw on MEL-LAX with the third 789 due for delivery 31DEC. Alternatively we could see this third 789 frame on MEL-LHR 3pw during January where the loads don't look that great which again would free up the 380 for double daily HKG (along with the 12th bird that would normally be in maintenance)

F is barely booked ex MEL-LHR through January, so combined with some experience with LHR handling teams prior to the launch of PER-LHR this seems to be the most likely route to get an initial downgrade.

How can they operate the normal A380 schedule with 10 frames? I can't figure out a way to get it less than 11.

With the 747 fleet I get: BNE-LAX (2), JNB/HND (3), SFO (2), SCL (1.5), SYD-LAX (0.5), YVR (1) = 9. MEL-HKG isn't 747 this summer is it? And have they scheduled any 747 flights to SIN?

At this stage SYD-HKG would make the most sense with 1 388 and 1 744, anything else requires something else to change first.

qantas747 wrote:

qf789 wrote:

qf002 wrote:

There must be more changes planned, the 744 fleet also looks slightly overcommitted now that they are down to ten frames.

The increase in frequency as mentioned above on top of the normal schedule can be done with 10 frames, however there will be little room for delays if an aircraft goes tech with either the 744 or A388 fleet

I think this maybe a slight error with their loading team; or there is more changes to come.

The easiest ways to get the frames would be to replace 388s 3pw on MEL-LAX with the third 789 due for delivery 31DEC. Alternatively we could see this third 789 frame on MEL-LHR 3pw during January where the loads don't look that great which again would free up the 380 for double daily HKG (along with the 12th bird that would normally be in maintenance)

F is barely booked ex MEL-LHR through January, so combined with some experience with LHR handling teams prior to the launch of PER-LHR this seems to be the most likely route to get an initial downgrade.

This is fairly standard for a service five months out even during peek periods. Most premium seats are booked last minute.

qantas747 wrote:

the third 789 due for delivery 31DEC

The mysterious 13th A380 is scheduled right through Dec and Jan so a delivery on 31 Dec (and presumably EIS at least a week or two later) won't be of much assistance.

qantas747 wrote:

Alternatively we could see this third 789 frame on MEL-LHR 3pw during January

Wouldn't work due to the way aircraft are rotated over LHR. Even just dropping a few MEL-LHR frequencies wouldn't do much because the gains would be eaten up by the extra ground time created at LHR.

RyanairGuru wrote:

How can they operate the normal A380 schedule with 10 frames? I can't figure out a way to get it less than 11.

qf789 is referring to the ten 744s which, going back through the schedules, is just enough to cover the planned flying (but it will be very tight...literally every single aircraft will be in the air every single daily for 2 months with the only real downtime being during the day at HND and Tuesdays at LAX when they cover QF11).

(might want to check your adding up btw )

It definitely takes 11 A380s to cover LHR, LAX and DFW but with the Tuesday gap in QF11 plus the 12th A380 you can do 9wk A380 on SYD-HKG without making any other changes. Still can't see where the A380 comes from for QF117 on Thu-Mon.

The only solution I can come up with is to pull 744s off HND a few days a week (probably the days when the new KIX service is operating) and then send those aircraft to LAX as QF17/18 (which dovetail with the JNB timings in the same was HND's do), replacing QF11 and allowing that spare A380 to do HKG instead. So QF11 would drop to 4-5wk with QF17 5-6wk. Seems unlikely to me though, and if this was the plan then it would have been loaded by now.

Only other solution I can see is to run A330s on the days when there isn't an A380 available.

Ok looks like the QF schedule updates are still coming through...

QF127/128 has been retimed to leave SYD at 0930am daily using A333s

QF117/118 will be daily B744 (A380 during peek periods)

This makes more sense...

vhebb wrote:

Ok looks like the QF schedule updates are still coming through...

QF127/128 has been retimed to leave SYD at 0930am daily using A333s

QF117/118 will be daily B744 (A380 during peek periods)

This makes more sense...

Yes that makes more sense, I was thinking last night one of the SYD-HKG flights would be A333

A couple more adjustments as well

QF93/94 will not operate 25/12 and 1/1
SYD-CGK will operate 5 weekly, up from 4 weekly during peak season

qf002 wrote:

RyanairGuru wrote:

How can they operate the normal A380 schedule with 10 frames? I can't figure out a way to get it less than 11.

qf789 is referring to the ten 744s which, going back through the schedules, is just enough to cover the planned flying (but it will be very tight...literally every single aircraft will be in the air every single daily for 2 months with the only real downtime being during the day at HND and Tuesdays at LAX when they cover QF11).

(might want to check your adding up btw )

It definitely takes 11 A380s to cover LHR, LAX and DFW but with the Tuesday gap in QF11 plus the 12th A380 you can do 9wk A380 on SYD-HKG without making any other changes. Still can't see where the A380 comes from for QF117 on Thu-Mon.

The only solution I can come up with is to pull 744s off HND a few days a week (probably the days when the new KIX service is operating) and then send those aircraft to LAX as QF17/18 (which dovetail with the JNB timings in the same was HND's do), replacing QF11 and allowing that spare A380 to do HKG instead. So QF11 would drop to 4-5wk with QF17 5-6wk. Seems unlikely to me though, and if this was the plan then it would have been loaded by now.

Only other solution I can see is to run A330s on the days when there isn't an A380 available.

About a month ago there was another thread about a charter flight to Australia in the first week of Jan. I worked out the utilisation as I suspected QF 744 and A380 fleet was utilised to the max though another poster claimed otherwise. Ive listed below the schedule (note: times listed below are flight times). The utilisation for the first week of Jan for the 744's is 1105 hours which works out to be 15.78 hours a day per frame. The utilisation on the A380 fleet works out to be 1350hrs15mins which works out to be 16.07 hours a day

744's

QF11 - 13:45 - - - - -
QF12 - 15:00 - - - - -
QF17 - - 13:30 - 13:30 - 13:30
QF18 - - 14:40 - 14:40 - 14:40
QF73 13:30 13:30 13:30 13:30 13:30 13:30 13:30
QF74 14:35 14:35 14:35 14:35 14:35 14:35 14:35
QF63 14:00 14:00 14:00 14:00 14:00 14:00 14:00
QF64 11:35 11:35 11:35 11:35 11:35 11:35 11:35
QF27 - 12:20 12:20 - 12:20 12:20 12:20
QF28 - 14:10 14:10 - 14:10 14:10 14:10
QF25 9:25 9:25 9:25 9:25 9:25 9:25 9:25
QF26 9:35 9:35 9:35 9:35 9:35 9:35 9:35
QF75 13:45 - - 13:45 - 13:45 -
QF76 15:15 - - 15:15 - 15:15 -
QF15/11 18:00 18:00 18:00 18:00 18:00 18:00 18:00
QF16/12 19:40 19:40 19:40 19:40 19:40 19:40 19:40

A388

QF11 13:45 13:45 13:45 13:45 13:45 13:45
QF12 15:00 15:00 15:00 15:00 15:00 15:00
QF7 15:25 15:25 15:25 15:25 15:25 15:25 15:25
QF8 17:10 17:10 17:10 17:10 17:10 17:10 17:10
QF117 9:25 9:25 9:25 9:25 9:25 9:25 9:25
QF118 9:20 9:20 9:20 9:20 9:20 9:20 9:20
QF1 23:05 23:05 23:05 23:05 23:05 23:05 23:05
QF2 20:55 20:55 20:55 20:55 20:55 20:55 20:55
QF9 22:15 22:15 22:15 22:15 22:15 22:15 22:15
QF10 20:25 20:25 20:25 20:25 20:25 20:25 20:25
QF93 14:20 14:20 14:20 14:20 14:20 14:20 14:20
QF94 15:55 15:55 15:55 15:55 15:55 15:55 15:55

Airlineroute has posted some more updates for QF NW17 SYD routes: http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... t-changes/

Highlight is QF117/118 AND QF127/128 will both opby A388 during 10DEC17 and 11FEB18, with QF117/8 A380 rotation continues until 01MAR. For the rest of the period both flights will be operated by 747-400.

Sounds like a huge capacity increase to me.... And dunno where the A380 would come from.

QF have certainly become a far more flexible airline these days.


Double daily A380 on SYD-HKG seems far too much though, even in peak periods.

It does appear like a precursor to the future where A380's could be solely focused on SYD services. As the 787 comes online, this would enable that to happen, along with leveraging JV partners to operate certain routes (e.g. AA MEL-LAX).

eamondzhang wrote:

Airlineroute has posted some more updates for QF NW17 SYD routes: http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... t-changes/

Highlight is QF117/118 AND QF127/128 will both opby A388 during 10DEC17 and 11FEB18, with QF117/8 A380 rotation continues until 01MAR. For the rest of the period both flights will be operated by 747-400.

Sounds like a huge capacity increase to me.... And dunno where the A380 would come from.

As pointed up thread SYD-HKG cannot operated double daily A388 unless a frame is pulled from elsewhere. As stated by vhebb QF127/128 is retimed and will have to be operated by A333 (note; that overnight the schedule on Qantas.com shows this flight as a 744 now, yesterday the same flight was A388). QF117/118 remains A388

SYD-PEK will see 5 weekly A332 and 2 weekly A333
SYD-BKK A332 replaces A333 on Fridays and Saturdays on selected dates
SYD-PVG A332 replaces A333 on Saturdays on selected dates

qf789 wrote:

eamondzhang wrote:

Airlineroute has posted some more updates for QF NW17 SYD routes: http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... t-changes/

Highlight is QF117/118 AND QF127/128 will both opby A388 during 10DEC17 and 11FEB18, with QF117/8 A380 rotation continues until 01MAR. For the rest of the period both flights will be operated by 747-400.

Sounds like a huge capacity increase to me.... And dunno where the A380 would come from.

As pointed up thread SYD-HKG cannot operated double daily A388 unless a frame is pulled from elsewhere. As stated by vhebb QF127/128 is retimed and will have to be operated by A333 (note; that overnight the schedule on Qantas.com shows this flight as a 744 now, yesterday the same flight was A388). QF117/118 remains A388

SYD-PEK will see 5 weekly A332 and 2 weekly A333
SYD-BKK A332 replaces A333 on Fridays and Saturdays on selected dates
SYD-PVG A332 replaces A333 on Saturdays on selected dates

Yeah I know, that's why I'm kinda surprised to see Airlineroute's reporting on this issue.