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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Sat Sep 16, 2017 3:29 pm

D8 is starting LGW-SEA tomorrow and everything is zeroed out except for refundable Y fares. Seems like a strong start to the route. I wish Norwegian luck in Seattle, although I'm wondering what, if anything, the impact would be on BA and VS.
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:09 pm

AS SEA-COS NOV 1.0>0.1 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0
*AS SEA-DAL MAR 1.0>1.7 APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2
AS SEA-GTF NOV 1.5>1.1 DEC 1.5>1.0 JAN 1.6>1.0 FEB 1.6>1.0

Some cuts to SEA in the new OAG. As I said in another thread, hopefully DL can start SEA-COS, and SEA-DAL is losing the VX flight in exchange for another OO E175.

Also, this:
DL SEA-MSY FEB 0.2>0.1

I don't know if it's a frequency reduction, or just the start date being pushed back. Interesting though, because I expected MSY to do very well for DL.
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Mon Sep 18, 2017 12:02 am

Here's the load factors for international airlines at SEA for the month of March:
Air Canada: 73%
ANA: 80%
Asiana: 81%
British Airways: 85%
Condor: 93%. Seems unusually strong, but ok.
Emirates: 57%. I think this was the month that the 2nd daily flight was eliminated,
EVA Air: 73%. 16% drop from March 2016, which makes me question the success of the second sub-daily flight.
Hainan: 64%. 26% drop from March 2016.
Icelandair: 89%
Korean Air: 65%. This flight hasn't been doing so hot recently, so I wonder if they should drop it and DL would upgauge to an A333 or A359.
Lufthansa: 68%
Virgin Atlantic: 68%
Volaris: 78%
And just for fun, DL.
Domestic: March: 90% April: 88% May: 90% June: 91%
International: March: 86%
And lastly, G4 at BLI, again just for fun.
March: 89% April: 90% May: 87% June: 85%
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:43 am

717atOGG wrote:
Here's the load factors for international airlines at SEA for the month of March:
Air Canada: 73%
ANA: 80%
Asiana: 81%
British Airways: 85%
Condor: 93%. Seems unusually strong, but ok.
Emirates: 57%. I think this was the month that the 2nd daily flight was eliminated,
EVA Air: 73%. 16% drop from March 2016, which makes me question the success of the second sub-daily flight.
Hainan: 64%. 26% drop from March 2016.
Icelandair: 89%
Korean Air: 65%. This flight hasn't been doing so hot recently, so I wonder if they should drop it and DL would upgauge to an A333 or A359.
Lufthansa: 68%
Virgin Atlantic: 68%
Volaris: 78%
And just for fun, DL.
Domestic: March: 90% April: 88% May: 90% June: 91%
International: March: 86%
And lastly, G4 at BLI, again just for fun.
March: 89% April: 90% May: 87% June: 85%

XiamenAir?
 
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Mon Sep 18, 2017 4:37 am

717atOGG wrote:
Here's the load factors for international airlines at SEA for the month of March:
Air Canada: 73%
ANA: 80%
Asiana: 81%
British Airways: 85%
Condor: 93%. Seems unusually strong, but ok.
Emirates: 57%. I think this was the month that the 2nd daily flight was eliminated,
EVA Air: 73%. 16% drop from March 2016, which makes me question the success of the second sub-daily flight.
Hainan: 64%. 26% drop from March 2016.
Icelandair: 89%
Korean Air: 65%. This flight hasn't been doing so hot recently, so I wonder if they should drop it and DL would upgauge to an A333 or A359.
Lufthansa: 68%
Virgin Atlantic: 68%
Volaris: 78%
And just for fun, DL.
Domestic: March: 90% April: 88% May: 90% June: 91%
International: March: 86%

And lastly, G4 at BLI, again just for fun.
March: 89% April: 90% May: 87% June: 85%


Wait. I've heard plenty about how DL was getting killed by AS.
 
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:14 pm

n7371f wrote:
717atOGG wrote:
Here's the load factors for international airlines at SEA for the month of March:
Air Canada: 73%
ANA: 80%
Asiana: 81%
British Airways: 85%
Condor: 93%. Seems unusually strong, but ok.
Emirates: 57%. I think this was the month that the 2nd daily flight was eliminated,
EVA Air: 73%. 16% drop from March 2016, which makes me question the success of the second sub-daily flight.
Hainan: 64%. 26% drop from March 2016.
Icelandair: 89%
Korean Air: 65%. This flight hasn't been doing so hot recently, so I wonder if they should drop it and DL would upgauge to an A333 or A359.
Lufthansa: 68%
Virgin Atlantic: 68%
Volaris: 78%
And just for fun, DL.
Domestic: March: 90% April: 88% May: 90% June: 91%
International: March: 86%

And lastly, G4 at BLI, again just for fun.
March: 89% April: 90% May: 87% June: 85%


Wait. I've heard plenty about how DL was getting killed by AS.

Apparently not. Delta is actually gaining market share at the expense of AS. Domestic routes are being upgauged and there's at least one 767 a day to ATL, and there is domestic routes being added, and European routes are at least being stable. I don't know about the success of Asia flights, but the fact that HKG is being upgauged to a 772 is a good sign. I just hope that at the very least, with the A350s arriving, that NRT, ICN, PEK, and PVG can be upgauged to an A332 or A333 by the end of the decade.
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:17 pm

MaxTrimm wrote:
717atOGG wrote:
Here's the load factors for international airlines at SEA for the month of March:
Air Canada: 73%
ANA: 80%
Asiana: 81%
British Airways: 85%
Condor: 93%. Seems unusually strong, but ok.
Emirates: 57%. I think this was the month that the 2nd daily flight was eliminated,
EVA Air: 73%. 16% drop from March 2016, which makes me question the success of the second sub-daily flight.
Hainan: 64%. 26% drop from March 2016.
Icelandair: 89%
Korean Air: 65%. This flight hasn't been doing so hot recently, so I wonder if they should drop it and DL would upgauge to an A333 or A359.
Lufthansa: 68%
Virgin Atlantic: 68%
Volaris: 78%
And just for fun, DL.
Domestic: March: 90% April: 88% May: 90% June: 91%
International: March: 86%
And lastly, G4 at BLI, again just for fun.
March: 89% April: 90% May: 87% June: 85%

XiamenAir?

I don't know. I wasn't able to find them. If you or someone else could find the load factors I'd be very interested to see them. If they gain enough brand recognition, then they could be considered for travel to HKG. Hopefully some tech contracts could help fill the front end of the plane.
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:33 pm

Some of those percentages seem a bit low. Is there too much international capacity in Seattle?
 
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:24 am

flyoregon wrote:
Some of those percentages seem a bit low. Is there too much international capacity in Seattle?

I think it's just because it's for the month of March, and almost all of the LFs are strong in the summer, so to answer your question, I don't know. Maybe yields are just really good, or flights have other reasons to stay around. For example, EK doesn't do too good in SEA but they carry a lot of cargo, helping support the route. Some routes are concerning though, like LH, because their loads have dropped about 20% from the same time in 2014 and 2015, and VS, even though it's just the first month of flying the route for them.
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:45 am

Yes...DL has been well-received here in SEA over the years. The Seattle economy is easy for AS and DL to co-exist. Still the only restriction with DL is gate space.
 
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:20 am

717atOGG wrote:
flyoregon wrote:
Some of those percentages seem a bit low. Is there too much international capacity in Seattle?

I think it's just because it's for the month of March, and almost all of the LFs are strong in the summer, so to answer your question, I don't know. Maybe yields are just really good, or flights have other reasons to stay around. For example, EK doesn't do too good in SEA but they carry a lot of cargo, helping support the route. Some routes are concerning though, like LH, because their loads have dropped about 20% from the same time in 2014 and 2015, and VS, even though it's just the first month of flying the route for them.


Sorry, I must have skimmed over the part saying it was March stats. My bad.

The Lufthansa loads surprise me versus Condor, but maybe the PNW being the outdoor explorer paradise that it is makes the likes of Condor, Icelandair, and now Norwegian the type of airline the budget conscious travelers prefer to the region.
 
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:36 am

What is SEA looking forward to for next year? Thomas Cook to MAN? Additional Norwegian destinations? Will Eurowings return next summer? Will Condor bring back the SEA-MUC flights back next summer? What about Asia?

Just Thomas Cook for next year so far. DY to OSL is almost a certain for next fall, 2x weekly. Eurowings is returning, 3x weekly IIRC. I don't know if Condor is bringing back SEA-MUC, since they're closing the MUC longhaul base and SEA-FRA is daily for S18, rather than 5x weekly S17, but it could be flown in a W pattern. Odd, since I expected this route to be a slam dunk. Nothing new for Asia, but PAL might add SEA-MNL soon with their A350, and SEA-HKG is going to a 772 on Delta.
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:04 am

717atOGG wrote:
Here's the load factors for international airlines at SEA for the month of March:
Air Canada: 73%
ANA: 80%
Asiana: 81%
British Airways: 85%
Condor: 93%. Seems unusually strong, but ok.
Emirates: 57%. I think this was the month that the 2nd daily flight was eliminated,
EVA Air: 73%. 16% drop from March 2016, which makes me question the success of the second sub-daily flight.
Hainan: 64%. 26% drop from March 2016.
Icelandair: 89%
Korean Air: 65%. This flight hasn't been doing so hot recently, so I wonder if they should drop it and DL would upgauge to an A333 or A359.
Lufthansa: 68%
Virgin Atlantic: 68%
Volaris: 78%
And just for fun, DL.
Domestic: March: 90% April: 88% May: 90% June: 91%
International: March: 86%
And lastly, G4 at BLI, again just for fun.
March: 89% April: 90% May: 87% June: 85%


Thanks for sharing this info.
 
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:06 am

717atOGG wrote:
What is SEA looking forward to for next year? Thomas Cook to MAN? Additional Norwegian destinations? Will Eurowings return next summer? Will Condor bring back the SEA-MUC flights back next summer? What about Asia?

Just Thomas Cook for next year so far. DY to OSL is almost a certain for next fall, 2x weekly. Eurowings is returning, 3x weekly IIRC. I don't know if Condor is bringing back SEA-MUC, since they're closing the MUC longhaul base and SEA-FRA is daily for S18, rather than 5x weekly S17, but it could be flown in a W pattern. Odd, since I expected this route to be a slam dunk. Nothing new for Asia, but PAL might add SEA-MNL soon with their A350, and SEA-HKG is going to a 772 on Delta.


I thought I previously read on here that MUC wasn't returning
 
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:11 am

SeaDoo wrote:
717atOGG wrote:
What is SEA looking forward to for next year? Thomas Cook to MAN? Additional Norwegian destinations? Will Eurowings return next summer? Will Condor bring back the SEA-MUC flights back next summer? What about Asia?

Just Thomas Cook for next year so far. DY to OSL is almost a certain for next fall, 2x weekly. Eurowings is returning, 3x weekly IIRC. I don't know if Condor is bringing back SEA-MUC, since they're closing the MUC longhaul base and SEA-FRA is daily for S18, rather than 5x weekly S17, but it could be flown in a W pattern. Odd, since I expected this route to be a slam dunk. Nothing new for Asia, but PAL might add SEA-MNL soon with their A350, and SEA-HKG is going to a 772 on Delta.


I thought I previously read on here that MUC wasn't returning

It is likely that it isn't returning, but it can be flown in a W pattern if Condor really wants to fly it. There hasn't been any official announcement about it though.
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:39 pm

Looks like F9 is adding 3x weekly SEA-COS on an A320, beginning April 8. I haven't been able to find CVG yet but after early April in the schedule, the booking dates are reduced to 4x weekly for the route, so one can safely assume that that's the frequency.
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:04 am

SEA-CVG is coming back on F9.

GEG-DEN is back but only 4x weekly and seasonal (April-September).
 
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:59 am

717atOGG wrote:
Looks like F9 is adding 3x weekly SEA-COS on an A320, beginning April 8. I haven't been able to find CVG yet but after early April in the schedule, the booking dates are reduced to 4x weekly for the route, so one can safely assume that that's the frequency.


Good luck to F9, taking advantage of an opportunity. As stated in the other SEA-COS thread, that route was popular. F9 should be successful with this. It's AS's to lose at this point. DL hasn't been able to make CVG work very well for some reason either.

But in other news, DL's SEA-MKE is up gauged to an A319 from the SkyWest E7W starting in April '18. I would say that's another market where DL is winning over AS, since AS has no plans to up gauge their MKE flight yet. Definitely a lot more Delta A319s scheduled to pop up in 2018 over CP/OO.
 
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Sat Sep 23, 2017 3:00 am

jonair8 wrote:
717atOGG wrote:
Looks like F9 is adding 3x weekly SEA-COS on an A320, beginning April 8. I haven't been able to find CVG yet but after early April in the schedule, the booking dates are reduced to 4x weekly for the route, so one can safely assume that that's the frequency.


Good luck to F9, taking advantage of an opportunity. As stated in the other SEA-COS thread, that route was popular. F9 should be successful with this. It's AS's to lose at this point. DL hasn't been able to make CVG work very well for some reason either.

But in other news, DL's SEA-MKE is up gauged to an A319 from the SkyWest E7W starting in April '18. I would say that's another market where DL is winning over AS, since AS has no plans to up gauge their MKE flight yet. Definitely a lot more Delta A319s scheduled to pop up in 2018 over CP/OO.

I think F9 will be successful, but if DL starts or AS resumes the route, they'll probably flee. I heard about SEA-MKE getting upgauged. I'd say it's a strong market for DL, compared to Alaska. As someone said before, the A319 will probably fly a lot of the flights that the CS100 will eventually fly. I saw that starting June 2018 one of the three SEA-ORD flights and SEA-BNA are getting upgauged to a 737-800, so they're probably doing well also.
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Sat Sep 23, 2017 3:10 am

Did you all notice from another thread that Air France will be returning to SEA next year?
 
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Sat Sep 23, 2017 3:12 am

Glad to have AF coming back to SEA! Hopefully it's in addition to, not replacing, the DL flight. The market has grown a lot since they left, and it could be a move to prevent Norwegian from starting SEA-CDG. I was actually researching AF and SEA a few days ago, not thinking they'd come back to SEA for a while. Anyways, I look forward to seeing their 787-9 at Seattle!
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:39 pm

BR SEA-TPE MAR 1.5>1.1 APR 1.6>1.0 MAY 1.6>1.0

The second daily BR flight is gone now. Leaves the door wide open for CI or DL to add SEA-TPE.......but I don't know if the market can support it.
Also, DL is upgauging SEA-CDG to a 772 in S18 compared to A333 for S17 and AMS is 1x A333 and 1x 763 for S18 compared to 1x A333 and 1x A332 for S17.
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:58 pm

I hope SEA-COS will come back on AS/QX. I read online, it's being cut due to the pilot shortage shortages at QX.
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Thu Sep 28, 2017 10:56 pm

The DL A350 visited SEA today. Anyone get a picture of it? I doubt it'll be a regular visitor, IMO the A339NEO will instead be more common at SEA.
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Thu Sep 28, 2017 11:12 pm

717atOGG wrote:
BR SEA-TPE MAR 1.5>1.1 APR 1.6>1.0 MAY 1.6>1.0

The second daily BR flight is gone now. Leaves the door wide open for CI or DL to add SEA-TPE.......but I don't know if the market can support it.
Also, DL is upgauging SEA-CDG to a 772 in S18 compared to A333 for S17 and AMS is 1x A333 and 1x 763 for S18 compared to 1x A333 and 1x A332 for S17.


I think the BR morning flight to TPE will return next Spring/Summer.
 
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:40 pm

http://www.portseattle.org/Newsroom/New ... r=2017#692
Port of Seattle just did an official announcement for AF service. It's going to be a 5x weekly 772 service effective March 2018. I'm glad to have them returning to SEA, and with larger equipment than before!
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:57 am

717atOGG wrote:
http://www.portseattle.org/Newsroom/News-Releases/Pages/default.aspx?year=2017#692
Port of Seattle just did an official announcement for AF service. It's going to be a 5x weekly 772 service effective March 2018. I'm glad to have them returning to SEA, and with larger equipment than before!


Yes! Previously, AF used A330-200 equipment on the SEA-CDG run most of the time. I do remember AF using A340-300 during the summer. The AF 777-200ER will be a nice change. Whose next???
 
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:32 am

wedgetail737 wrote:
717atOGG wrote:
http://www.portseattle.org/Newsroom/News-Releases/Pages/default.aspx?year=2017#692
Port of Seattle just did an official announcement for AF service. It's going to be a 5x weekly 772 service effective March 2018. I'm glad to have them returning to SEA, and with larger equipment than before!


Yes! Previously, AF used A330-200 equipment on the SEA-CDG run most of the time. I do remember AF using A340-300 during the summer. The AF 777-200ER will be a nice change. Whose next???

I agree that seeing the AF 772 will be a nice change. I don't know who or what will be next. In 2016 and 2017 we've either gotten or had announced VS, D8, MT, DE to MUC and year-round to FRA, Y4, Xiamen, AF, and some nice DL expansion. IMO, future expansion is dependent on the success of these new routes that were added recently. Going off topic for a second, on Sunday I was at BFI for an event and saw the Norwegian 789 on approach for SEA. Beautiful bird, and definitely different than the sea of AS and DL tails I normally see.
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:46 am

717atOGG wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
717atOGG wrote:
http://www.portseattle.org/Newsroom/News-Releases/Pages/default.aspx?year=2017#692
Port of Seattle just did an official announcement for AF service. It's going to be a 5x weekly 772 service effective March 2018. I'm glad to have them returning to SEA, and with larger equipment than before!


Yes! Previously, AF used A330-200 equipment on the SEA-CDG run most of the time. I do remember AF using A340-300 during the summer. The AF 777-200ER will be a nice change. Whose next???

I agree that seeing the AF 772 will be a nice change. I don't know who or what will be next. In 2016 and 2017 we've either gotten or had announced VS, D8, MT, DE to MUC and year-round to FRA, Y4, Xiamen, AF, and some nice DL expansion. IMO, future expansion is dependent on the success of these new routes that were added recently. Going off topic for a second, on Sunday I was at BFI for an event and saw the Norwegian 789 on approach for SEA. Beautiful bird, and definitely different than the sea of AS and DL tails I normally see.


I am sure this wasn't driven by Seattle's performance, but DE will close their long haul Munich base and will not be flying SEA-MUN next year.
 
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:56 am

ANCsupercub wrote:
717atOGG wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:

Yes! Previously, AF used A330-200 equipment on the SEA-CDG run most of the time. I do remember AF using A340-300 during the summer. The AF 777-200ER will be a nice change. Whose next???

I agree that seeing the AF 772 will be a nice change. I don't know who or what will be next. In 2016 and 2017 we've either gotten or had announced VS, D8, MT, DE to MUC and year-round to FRA, Y4, Xiamen, AF, and some nice DL expansion. IMO, future expansion is dependent on the success of these new routes that were added recently. Going off topic for a second, on Sunday I was at BFI for an event and saw the Norwegian 789 on approach for SEA. Beautiful bird, and definitely different than the sea of AS and DL tails I normally see.


I am sure this wasn't driven by Seattle's performance, but DE will close their long haul Munich base and will not be flying SEA-MUN next year.

Yes, that had been mentioned before. It's not all bad though, because in S17 FRA was 5x weekly and MUC was 2x weekly, and for S18 FRA is daily, which is nice. I think they could have flown MUC in a W pattern (FRA-SEA-MUC-SEA-FRA) but chose not to for convenience. The only other long haul destinations DE served from MUC were LAS, YHZ, and some Caribbean routes, so it was probably to consolidate at FRA.
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:28 am

I'm not sure who might be next to Seattle. The only confirmation so far for 2018 (besides AF) is Thomas Cook to Manchester. Since we all read (and, in many cases, contribute to) these boards, we've all seen the various speculation involving SEA. As far as I can tell, the only thing I've seen on this site that is even close to being specific is Philippine in the fourth quarter of 2018 -- and I'm not even sure how much traction that has.

It seems as if CX is forever teasing SEA with its 'What's our next destination?' game. JL has been bandied about lately, and I've even seen EI working its way into some conversations in the past few days. A very respected travel agent I know who is often quoted in local news stories about travel / airlines has mentioned SQ in a couple of conversations we've had. But again, all of this is based only what I've seen on this and another site that I look at regularly. Whether any of it has any basis in fact is beyond me, since I do not work in aviation or the travel industry (very interested in it, but do not work in it).

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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:37 am

Don't forget AeroMexico's return in November!

I think we're done with expansion for awhile, bar a return of CI to TPE.
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:43 pm

SeaTacFan wrote:
I'm not sure who might be next to Seattle. The only confirmation so far for 2018 (besides AF) is Thomas Cook to Manchester. Since we all read (and, in many cases, contribute to) these boards, we've all seen the various speculation involving SEA. As far as I can tell, the only thing I've seen on this site that is even close to being specific is Philippine in the fourth quarter of 2018 -- and I'm not even sure how much traction that has.

It seems as if CX is forever teasing SEA with its 'What's our next destination?' game. JL has been bandied about lately, and I've even seen EI working its way into some conversations in the past few days. A very respected travel agent I know who is often quoted in local news stories about travel / airlines has mentioned SQ in a couple of conversations we've had. But again, all of this is based only what I've seen on this and another site that I look at regularly. Whether any of it has any basis in fact is beyond me, since I do not work in aviation or the travel industry (very interested in it, but do not work in it).

I thank everyone for all of your posts. I enjoy reading them, and will look forward to continue doing so

IMO I'd like to see EI starting service, and WOW Air, for Europe service. I think CX isn't going to be starting SEA in the near future, at least not until DL can support daily year-round SEA-HKG. I'd like to maybe see KL take over one of DL's flights to AMS, and it seems not very far out, as most ideas here are. I don't work in the aviation industry either, this is just what I think could plausibly happen.
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Sun Oct 08, 2017 1:53 am

I just flew SEA-ICN on KE and the flight had very low load factors both directions...
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Sun Oct 08, 2017 2:58 am

BA wrote:
I just flew SEA-ICN on KE and the flight had very low load factors both directions...

Oh wow. Well, that's what the load factors have told us as well. Do you know if the business cabin was full? I can't see any reason that the flight is still a daily 773. OZ and DL must be eating their lunch on that route.
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:23 pm

717atOGG wrote:
BA wrote:
I just flew SEA-ICN on KE and the flight had very low load factors both directions...

Oh wow. Well, that's what the load factors have told us as well. Do you know if the business cabin was full? I can't see any reason that the flight is still a daily 773. OZ and DL must be eating their lunch on that route.


No, business class was almost empty. I think on the way there were no more than 7-8 seats occupied. On the return maybe 15.
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:49 pm

BA wrote:
717atOGG wrote:
BA wrote:
I just flew SEA-ICN on KE and the flight had very low load factors both directions...

Oh wow. Well, that's what the load factors have told us as well. Do you know if the business cabin was full? I can't see any reason that the flight is still a daily 773. OZ and DL must be eating their lunch on that route.


No, business class was almost empty. I think on the way there were no more than 7-8 seats occupied. On the return maybe 15.

Oh wow. I'm wondering why the flight still exists then. My only guesses are a corporate contract or a subsidy. If anything, I would have expected Asiana to struggle on SEA-ICN because SEA is a Skyteam hub.
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:00 pm

I can almost swear Wenatchee, Washington is Alaska's least favorite airport. Recently there have been more flights cancelled and people are very upset with the non reliability of air service. Can Skywest deploy more CRJ 200's and make air service more reliable? How much is this costing business travelers who must have reliable air service?
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:07 am

dc10lover wrote:
I can almost swear Wenatchee, Washington is Alaska's least favorite airport. Recently there have been more flights cancelled and people are very upset with the non reliability of air service. Can Skywest deploy more CRJ 200's and make air service more reliable? How much is this costing business travelers who must have reliable air service?

I don't know how much more reliable they can make it. Skywest only has so many CR2 and CR7s for Alaska, and I think that many airports are struggling because of it, not just EAT. Hopefully, the QX problems will be fixed soon, and then AS could get ops back to normal. All of these markets ex-SEA that have less frequency because of QX are good opportunities for DL to start or increase service.
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:09 am

In DL's S18 schedule for SEA, we'll get our first DL A321, on one daily flight from DTW. I don't know if it's year-round or not. Kind of bittersweet, because it's good to get different a/c types, but sad to see less of the 757.
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:59 am

717atOGG wrote:
dc10lover wrote:
I can almost swear Wenatchee, Washington is Alaska's least favorite airport. Recently there have been more flights cancelled and people are very upset with the non reliability of air service. Can Skywest deploy more CRJ 200's and make air service more reliable? How much is this costing business travelers who must have reliable air service?

I don't know how much more reliable they can make it. Skywest only has so many CR2 and CR7s for Alaska, and I think that many airports are struggling because of it, not just EAT. Hopefully, the QX problems will be fixed soon, and then AS could get ops back to normal. All of these markets ex-SEA that have less frequency because of QX are good opportunities for DL to start or increase service.

This is what I hope for but I highly doubt Delta / Delta Connection will serve one of the smallest markets in Alaska Airlines route system which is Wenatchee Washington.
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:22 am

Also for S18 DL is adding mainline on SEA-YVR, in the form of one daily 738. It RONs at YVR, then does another flight I assume, goes back to YVR, and departs for SEA in the early afternoon. YVR is now 7x daily, which is very strong because the flight only started 3 years ago IIRC. CVG is doing very well, with over 90% loads for the summer and I think it should go year-round for S19. As mentioned before, one ORD flight and BNA will be upgauged to a 738. I see a pattern of upgauging existing flights rather than adding new ones because of gate space, and I'd expect this pattern to continue, hopefully by having less CRJ-700s here.
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:12 am

The discussion regarding BLI is interesting to me, in that most of the (US based) posters really don't understand the market of the airport. I'll clear a few things up:

1) It's primary business is not Whatcom County (200k), it serves Metro Vancouver (2.5m). Huge chunks of Metro Vancouver is within an hour drive; and even for me it's only 20 mins further than YVR, a time difference which is zeroed out when you consider travel between parking and terminal.
2) It's popular to Canadian travellers, because they avoid the US taxes for crossing the border by air (around USD$40). Note these are US imposed taxes, not Canadian ones, and even the additional AIF at YVR on US flights is to partly pay for US Customs/Immigration pre-clearance. For that reason it's really only ever going to be popular for Canadian travellers to US destinations.
3) The Canadian dollar is actually up substantially in the last couple of years, from a low of about US$0.65 up to around 0.82 now. I suspect BLI will pop back in pretty short order.

Once QX get their act together with their pilot shortage, I expect BLI-LAS will return as a QX flight.
 
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:22 am

The first (in a long time) Aeromexico MEX-SEA flight is in the air now, due to arrive 23 minutes early! It's operated by XA-AMK, a 737-800 in a special Samsung themed livery. I wish Aeromexico the best of luck on this new route. The flight doesn't connect to the Asia bank at SEA, however it does connect to some LatAm destinations, namely LIM and SJO. It'll be interesting to see if there's enough South American traffic to fill a daily 738.
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:51 am

UA is now using the E175 Pasco - Denver. Hope it's permanent. No more CRJ200's.
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:00 am

dc10lover wrote:
UA is now using the E175 Pasco - Denver. Hope it's permanent. No more CRJ200's.

Hopefully it is. They do have a monopoly on the market though, so it might not be a bad idea for UA to send the CR2 to markets like that where they can charge higher fares to make up for the relative fuel inefficiency. I can see the E175 doing well on PSC-DEN in the winter and summer though.
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:03 am

UA has been using the 752 on the early evening departure, red-eye return EWR-SEA, an upgauge from the normal 738. It's showing up until at least mid-December, possibly longer. Sounds like a good use of aircraft. I'm curious about if UA would use their United Coast soft product on the route, with free meals in Economy Plus and whatnot. With this add, now DL and UA offer lie-flats in J on SEA-NYC, and the route must be a bloodbath, I'm almost sure of it.
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Fri Nov 03, 2017 1:30 am

WN is not bringing back GEG-SAN nonstops for next summer.
 
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:10 pm

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WN is not bringing back GEG-SAN nonstops for next summer.

That's too bad. On the bright side, it leaves an open door for AS to start the route.
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Re: Washington State air service discussion

Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:14 pm

The dusting of snow that we got in Western Washington looks to be having some pretty bad effects on SEA. Average delays are at 90 minutes now according to FR24. Does anyone know if SEA got better snow equipment after the delay disasters of this past winter?
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